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Why do Christians think Jesus is GOD?

 
No Dhimmi
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Isaiah 9:6

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6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
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The religion of submission cannot survive an open and honest discussion of its convoluted and foolish scriptures, its sexually perverted terrorist prophet, or its deceitful and demented god. When Western leaders become unified and resolute in their hostility to Islam's violent and ungodly beginnings, Muslims will flee the religion because they will be horrified by its endorsement of terrorism, mass murder, slave trading, plunder, kidnapping, and rape.

If Muslims & their apologists really want to cure "Islamophobia," here is an easy way. Focus their indignation on Muslims committing violent acts in the name of Islam, not on non-Muslims reporting on those acts.
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Ecclesiastes 10:2 “The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.”

We are all born ignorant, but it takes a lot of work to keep looking the other way to remain stupid.

Islam is not a race - the racism rant is lame, used by the intellectually lazy to derail the debate.
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For those proclaiming that Jesus is God, please read the following quote from Jesus prayer then answer the question following -

"that they may be all one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us,........... John 17:21

Question: Does this mean all those who will be - as Jesus prayed, 'one in Us', that they will be God as well?
 Quoting: Ozicell


What does scripture say?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1194370


You tell me.
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For those proclaiming that Jesus is God, please read the following quote from Jesus prayer then answer the question following -

"that they may be all one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us,........... John 17:21

Question: Does this mean all those who will be - as Jesus prayed, 'one in Us', that they will be God as well?
 Quoting: Ozicell


What does scripture say?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1194370


You tell me.
 Quoting: Ozicell


Scripture says; "If I told you of earthly things and you do not believe, how shall I tell you of heavenly things?"

peace,
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Jesus was a great Spiritual man, not a religious man
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For those proclaiming that Jesus is God, please read the following quote from Jesus prayer then answer the question following -

"that they may be all one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us,........... John 17:21

Question: Does this mean all those who will be - as Jesus prayed, 'one in Us', that they will be God as well?
 Quoting: Ozicell


What does scripture say?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1194370


You tell me.
 Quoting: Ozicell


Scripture says; "If I told you of earthly things and you do not believe, how shall I tell you of heavenly things?"

peace,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1194370


Thank you but how does that answer the question? Jesus is clearly speaking of souls who have developed under the influence of the spirit. Such will have a greater understanding of heavenly things.
That which is - has already been, And what is to be - has already been. Quote: King Solomon.
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Jesus clearly claimed to be God Almighty that is why He was crucified on the cross. Jesus also clearly accepted worship, Jesus never refused worship. Please read and study the following passages to clear your understanding of who Jesus is who He says He is.

Revelation 1:8: I am the Alpha and the Omega says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.

Revelation 1:17-18: When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: Do not be afraid, I am the First and the Last. I am the Living One, I was dead, and behold I am alive forever and ever!

John 10:30: I and the Father are one.

John 8:58: I tell you the truth, before Abraham was born, I Am (Yah Weh)!

Note: The original Hebrew is YHWH – we add the vowels to match our vernacular.

John 8:19: You do not know me or my Father. "If you knew me you would also know my Father.

John 20:20: Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and My God! Jesus said to him, Thomas because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and believe.
 Quoting: No Dhimmi


First off, the book of Revelation is a vision received by John of Patmos while he was dying on the Galapagos Islands. It was not Christ during his ministry, but rather than perception of Christ in the mind of the writer displayed on paper.

Secondly, I was told by a Biblical scholar that each Gospel was written for a different group of people. Through my own research, I come to the conclusion that each of them was written by a different Christian practitioner within varying sects of religion/spirituality/philosophy of the time they were written (which were well after the death of Christ). The Gospel of John was written to convey the message of Christ to more mystic leaning spiritualists. They were moreso the type to have beliefs that would be affirmed by a Messiah as God scenario.

Therefore, those verses are not truly indicative of what Christ actually did nor how he carried himself. Rather, they exist to portray an underlying message that (at that place and time) were hard to convey in a singular, cohesive manner. So instead, they conveyed the principles by speaking in the tongues of their audience. See what I'm getting at?

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Jesus was a great Spiritual man, not a religious man
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I agree 100%hf
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What does scripture say?
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You tell me.
 Quoting: Ozicell


Scripture says; "If I told you of earthly things and you do not believe, how shall I tell you of heavenly things?"

peace,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1194370


Thank you but how does that answer the question? Jesus is clearly speaking of souls who have developed under the influence of the spirit. Such will have a greater understanding of heavenly things.
 Quoting: Ozicell


Then you already have the answer you are seeking.

peace,
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Now I will ask you a question:

Scripture says a man MUST be born again;

Of who's Spirit is a man born again of?
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Jesus clearly claimed to be God Almighty that is why He was crucified on the cross. Jesus also clearly accepted worship, Jesus never refused worship. Please read and study the following passages to clear your understanding of who Jesus is who He says He is.

Revelation 1:8: I am the Alpha and the Omega says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.

Revelation 1:17-18: When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: Do not be afraid, I am the First and the Last. I am the Living One, I was dead, and behold I am alive forever and ever!

John 10:30: I and the Father are one.

John 8:58: I tell you the truth, before Abraham was born, I Am (Yah Weh)!

Note: The original Hebrew is YHWH – we add the vowels to match our vernacular.

John 8:19: You do not know me or my Father. "If you knew me you would also know my Father.

John 20:20: Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and My God! Jesus said to him, Thomas because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and believe.
 Quoting: No Dhimmi


First off, the book of Revelation is a vision received by John of Patmos while he was dying on the Galapagos Islands. It was not Christ during his ministry, but rather than perception of Christ in the mind of the writer displayed on paper.

Secondly, I was told by a Biblical scholar that each Gospel was written for a different group of people. Through my own research, I come to the conclusion that each of them was written by a different Christian practitioner within varying sects of religion/spirituality/philosophy of the time they were written (which were well after the death of Christ). The Gospel of John was written to convey the message of Christ to more mystic leaning spiritualists. They were moreso the type to have beliefs that would be affirmed by a Messiah as God scenario.

Therefore, those verses are not truly indicative of what Christ actually did nor how he carried himself. Rather, they exist to portray an underlying message that (at that place and time) were hard to convey in a singular, cohesive manner. So instead, they conveyed the principles by speaking in the tongues of their audience. See what I'm getting at?
 Quoting: Mr. Deadite


Very true for the writers of the gospels are anonymous and the writings are not based on original works but rather copies of copies.

That said, I believe that the one we call Jesus Christ did walk the earth and did many of the things that are reported of Him including crucifixion.
The details and exact words however, they are muddied by human opinion, mistranslation and embellishment!
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You tell me.
 Quoting: Ozicell


Scripture says; "If I told you of earthly things and you do not believe, how shall I tell you of heavenly things?"

peace,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1194370


Thank you but how does that answer the question? Jesus is clearly speaking of souls who have developed under the influence of the spirit. Such will have a greater understanding of heavenly things.
 Quoting: Ozicell


Then you already have the answer you are seeking.

peace,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1194370

I actually wasn't seeking and answer but rather was asking for the opinion of a certain group of believers!

Peace to you as well. hf
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Jesus clearly claimed to be God Almighty that is why He was crucified on the cross. Jesus also clearly accepted worship, Jesus never refused worship. Please read and study the following passages to clear your understanding of who Jesus is who He says He is.

Revelation 1:8: I am the Alpha and the Omega says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.

Revelation 1:17-18: When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: Do not be afraid, I am the First and the Last. I am the Living One, I was dead, and behold I am alive forever and ever!

John 10:30: I and the Father are one.

John 8:58: I tell you the truth, before Abraham was born, I Am (Yah Weh)!

Note: The original Hebrew is YHWH – we add the vowels to match our vernacular.

John 8:19: You do not know me or my Father. "If you knew me you would also know my Father.

John 20:20: Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and My God! Jesus said to him, Thomas because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and believe.
 Quoting: No Dhimmi


First off, the book of Revelation is a vision received by John of Patmos while he was dying on the Galapagos Islands. It was not Christ during his ministry, but rather than perception of Christ in the mind of the writer displayed on paper.

Secondly, I was told by a Biblical scholar that each Gospel was written for a different group of people. Through my own research, I come to the conclusion that each of them was written by a different Christian practitioner within varying sects of religion/spirituality/philosophy of the time they were written (which were well after the death of Christ). The Gospel of John was written to convey the message of Christ to more mystic leaning spiritualists. They were moreso the type to have beliefs that would be affirmed by a Messiah as God scenario.

Therefore, those verses are not truly indicative of what Christ actually did nor how he carried himself. Rather, they exist to portray an underlying message that (at that place and time) were hard to convey in a singular, cohesive manner. So instead, they conveyed the principles by speaking in the tongues of their audience. See what I'm getting at?
 Quoting: Mr. Deadite


I was responding the original post and question - we were not asked for more data on this thread.
Background of my avatar: [link to en.wikipedia.org]

The religion of submission cannot survive an open and honest discussion of its convoluted and foolish scriptures, its sexually perverted terrorist prophet, or its deceitful and demented god. When Western leaders become unified and resolute in their hostility to Islam's violent and ungodly beginnings, Muslims will flee the religion because they will be horrified by its endorsement of terrorism, mass murder, slave trading, plunder, kidnapping, and rape.

If Muslims & their apologists really want to cure "Islamophobia," here is an easy way. Focus their indignation on Muslims committing violent acts in the name of Islam, not on non-Muslims reporting on those acts.
[link to www.cspipublishing.com]
[link to www.faithfreedom.org]
[link to thereligionofpeace.com]
[link to www.bibleprobe.com]
[link to www.fatherzakaria.net]

Ecclesiastes 10:2 “The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.”

We are all born ignorant, but it takes a lot of work to keep looking the other way to remain stupid.

Islam is not a race - the racism rant is lame, used by the intellectually lazy to derail the debate.
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Jesus was God in the flesh because there was and is only one being who's free from sin and righteous enough to save mankind, and that being is God himself.
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"...And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me..." - Isaiah 63:5

To whom hath the arm of the LORD been revealed?

peace,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1194370


That's an AWESOME verse! Thanks! I'd never noticed that one before. Great one. Peace to you too, brother.
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Jesus clearly claimed to be God Almighty that is why He was crucified on the cross. Jesus also clearly accepted worship, Jesus never refused worship. Please read and study the following passages to clear your understanding of who Jesus is who He says He is.

Revelation 1:8: I am the Alpha and the Omega says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.

Revelation 1:17-18: When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: Do not be afraid, I am the First and the Last. I am the Living One, I was dead, and behold I am alive forever and ever!

John 10:30: I and the Father are one.

John 8:58: I tell you the truth, before Abraham was born, I Am (Yah Weh)!

Note: The original Hebrew is YHWH – we add the vowels to match our vernacular.

John 8:19: You do not know me or my Father. "If you knew me you would also know my Father.

John 20:20: Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and My God! Jesus said to him, Thomas because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and believe.
 Quoting: No Dhimmi


First off, the book of Revelation is a vision received by John of Patmos while he was dying on the Galapagos Islands. It was not Christ during his ministry, but rather than perception of Christ in the mind of the writer displayed on paper.

Secondly, I was told by a Biblical scholar that each Gospel was written for a different group of people. Through my own research, I come to the conclusion that each of them was written by a different Christian practitioner within varying sects of religion/spirituality/philosophy of the time they were written (which were well after the death of Christ). The Gospel of John was written to convey the message of Christ to more mystic leaning spiritualists. They were moreso the type to have beliefs that would be affirmed by a Messiah as God scenario.

Therefore, those verses are not truly indicative of what Christ actually did nor how he carried himself. Rather, they exist to portray an underlying message that (at that place and time) were hard to convey in a singular, cohesive manner. So instead, they conveyed the principles by speaking in the tongues of their audience. See what I'm getting at?
 Quoting: Mr. Deadite


I was responding the original post and question - we were not asked for more data on this thread.
 Quoting: No Dhimmi


afro I see. Sorry for debating you. I take this subject a bit personally.
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"We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God."
John 10:33
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"We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy," because we are too stupid to understand you are speaking about.

FIXED.
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What verses do you quote to prove this?
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blinker Why don't you try actually reading the bible before coming on here and asking moronic questions.
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I and the Father are One.
John 10:30
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Not instead yet.
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If anybody is searching for his enlightenment/Revelation read it:

... The revelation of Jesus Christ(2), which God (1) gave him(2) ... Rev 1:1


Enough of your blasphemies already, Christians!!
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He called himself the Son of MAN.
They the PHarisical hords of the Roman Paulites, called him son of god......Him which Paul never knew as a Man and made Him out to be God.
Yahshua means YahWeh is Salavation.
Salvation has always been on offer before and after Jesus
You can't kill a god but you can kill a man,
Son of Man.... huh....Only the demons called Him a Son of god...they lie you know?
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What verses do you quote to prove this?
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:blinker: Why don't you try actually reading the bible before coming on here and asking moronic questions.
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so here's how you can do what Judethz wants you to do:

1. READ THE BIBLE

2. COME ON HERE AND ASK MORANIC QUESTIONS
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Yahshua means YahWeh is Salavation.
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But the name "Yahshua" doesn't appear anywhere in the new testament. The Name used is Iesous, or Jesus in English.
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Ozicell

You asked an interesting question and the answer is yes. Everyone through Christ enters into the Godhead of Christ. That was the purpose for this life. This world is a place for testing, pain, suffering, that God may test your heart to see if your humble, to be found worthy to be with him by his side as a son just like Jesus Christ. He is God of Gods just like it's written in psalms. But this only happens through him no other way.
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Yahshua means YahWeh is Salavation.
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But the name "Yahshua" doesn't appear anywhere in the new testament. The Name used is Iesous, or Jesus in English.
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Very well then, with foreign lips and strange tongues God will speak to this people, ... Isaiah 28:11
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What verses do you quote to prove this?
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lEAVE THE SHEEP AN READ YOU BIBLE MAN
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What is most remarkable is that adults can spend so much time discussing imaginary beings...fuck!
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What is most remarkable is that adults can spend so much time discussing imaginary beings...fuck!
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Actually, in few years it´ll be you who is that. People are used to speak of God all their short history.
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What is most remarkable is that adults can spend so much time discussing imaginary beings...fuck!
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Actually, in few years it´ll be you who is that. People are used to speak of God all their short history.
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It's always in a few years, isn't it? How fucking convenient! lol
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What is most remarkable is that adults can spend so much time discussing imaginary beings...fuck!
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Actually, in few years it´ll be you who is that. People are used to speak of God all their short history.
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It's always in a few years, isn't it? How fucking convenient! lol
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I am speaking of your death, not the Coming. Duh
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I listen to Jesus himself...

"Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone."


Mark 10:18





"The Father is greater than I, the father is greater than all"..."

John 14:28



If this doesn't settle it then I don't know what will...
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What is most remarkable is that adults can spend so much time discussing imaginary beings...fuck!
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99% of historians will tell you that Jesus was a real person. Would you rather we talk about something of greater importance-- like sports and movies?

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