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No Dhimmi User ID: 3248816 United States 12/04/2012 09:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | King James Version (KJV) 6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. ALL relevant scriptures that include a time factor prove no pre-trib rapture. Over 50 verses! Kindle Edition only 99 CENTS! Biblical Eschatological “Time-Stamps” Relevant to the Last Day/Days (Amazon) |
Ozicell User ID: 28824185 Australia 12/04/2012 09:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For those proclaiming that Jesus is God, please read the following quote from Jesus prayer then answer the question following - Quoting: Ozicell "that they may be all one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us,........... John 17:21 Question: Does this mean all those who will be - as Jesus prayed, 'one in Us', that they will be God as well? What does scripture say? You tell me. That which is - has already been, And what is to be - has already been. Quote: King Solomon. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1194370 United States 12/04/2012 09:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For those proclaiming that Jesus is God, please read the following quote from Jesus prayer then answer the question following - Quoting: Ozicell "that they may be all one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us,........... John 17:21 Question: Does this mean all those who will be - as Jesus prayed, 'one in Us', that they will be God as well? What does scripture say? You tell me. Scripture says; "If I told you of earthly things and you do not believe, how shall I tell you of heavenly things?" peace, |
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Ozicell User ID: 28824185 Australia 12/04/2012 09:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For those proclaiming that Jesus is God, please read the following quote from Jesus prayer then answer the question following - Quoting: Ozicell "that they may be all one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us,........... John 17:21 Question: Does this mean all those who will be - as Jesus prayed, 'one in Us', that they will be God as well? What does scripture say? You tell me. Scripture says; "If I told you of earthly things and you do not believe, how shall I tell you of heavenly things?" peace, Thank you but how does that answer the question? Jesus is clearly speaking of souls who have developed under the influence of the spirit. Such will have a greater understanding of heavenly things. That which is - has already been, And what is to be - has already been. Quote: King Solomon. |
Mr. Deadite User ID: 16214891 United States 12/04/2012 09:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jesus clearly claimed to be God Almighty that is why He was crucified on the cross. Jesus also clearly accepted worship, Jesus never refused worship. Please read and study the following passages to clear your understanding of who Jesus is who He says He is. Quoting: No Dhimmi Revelation 1:8: I am the Alpha and the Omega says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty. Revelation 1:17-18: When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: Do not be afraid, I am the First and the Last. I am the Living One, I was dead, and behold I am alive forever and ever! John 10:30: I and the Father are one. John 8:58: I tell you the truth, before Abraham was born, I Am (Yah Weh)! Note: The original Hebrew is YHWH – we add the vowels to match our vernacular. John 8:19: You do not know me or my Father. "If you knew me you would also know my Father. John 20:20: Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and My God! Jesus said to him, Thomas because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and believe. First off, the book of Revelation is a vision received by John of Patmos while he was dying on the Galapagos Islands. It was not Christ during his ministry, but rather than perception of Christ in the mind of the writer displayed on paper. Secondly, I was told by a Biblical scholar that each Gospel was written for a different group of people. Through my own research, I come to the conclusion that each of them was written by a different Christian practitioner within varying sects of religion/spirituality/philosophy of the time they were written (which were well after the death of Christ). The Gospel of John was written to convey the message of Christ to more mystic leaning spiritualists. They were moreso the type to have beliefs that would be affirmed by a Messiah as God scenario. Therefore, those verses are not truly indicative of what Christ actually did nor how he carried himself. Rather, they exist to portray an underlying message that (at that place and time) were hard to convey in a singular, cohesive manner. So instead, they conveyed the principles by speaking in the tongues of their audience. See what I'm getting at? Last Edited by Mr. Deadite on 12/04/2012 09:56 PM |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1194370 United States 12/04/2012 09:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Scripture says; "If I told you of earthly things and you do not believe, how shall I tell you of heavenly things?" peace, Thank you but how does that answer the question? Jesus is clearly speaking of souls who have developed under the influence of the spirit. Such will have a greater understanding of heavenly things. Then you already have the answer you are seeking. peace, |
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Ozicell User ID: 28824185 Australia 12/04/2012 10:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jesus clearly claimed to be God Almighty that is why He was crucified on the cross. Jesus also clearly accepted worship, Jesus never refused worship. Please read and study the following passages to clear your understanding of who Jesus is who He says He is. Quoting: No Dhimmi Revelation 1:8: I am the Alpha and the Omega says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty. Revelation 1:17-18: When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: Do not be afraid, I am the First and the Last. I am the Living One, I was dead, and behold I am alive forever and ever! John 10:30: I and the Father are one. John 8:58: I tell you the truth, before Abraham was born, I Am (Yah Weh)! Note: The original Hebrew is YHWH – we add the vowels to match our vernacular. John 8:19: You do not know me or my Father. "If you knew me you would also know my Father. John 20:20: Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and My God! Jesus said to him, Thomas because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and believe. First off, the book of Revelation is a vision received by John of Patmos while he was dying on the Galapagos Islands. It was not Christ during his ministry, but rather than perception of Christ in the mind of the writer displayed on paper. Secondly, I was told by a Biblical scholar that each Gospel was written for a different group of people. Through my own research, I come to the conclusion that each of them was written by a different Christian practitioner within varying sects of religion/spirituality/philosophy of the time they were written (which were well after the death of Christ). The Gospel of John was written to convey the message of Christ to more mystic leaning spiritualists. They were moreso the type to have beliefs that would be affirmed by a Messiah as God scenario. Therefore, those verses are not truly indicative of what Christ actually did nor how he carried himself. Rather, they exist to portray an underlying message that (at that place and time) were hard to convey in a singular, cohesive manner. So instead, they conveyed the principles by speaking in the tongues of their audience. See what I'm getting at? Very true for the writers of the gospels are anonymous and the writings are not based on original works but rather copies of copies. That said, I believe that the one we call Jesus Christ did walk the earth and did many of the things that are reported of Him including crucifixion. The details and exact words however, they are muddied by human opinion, mistranslation and embellishment! That which is - has already been, And what is to be - has already been. Quote: King Solomon. |
Ozicell User ID: 28824185 Australia 12/04/2012 10:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Scripture says; "If I told you of earthly things and you do not believe, how shall I tell you of heavenly things?" peace, Thank you but how does that answer the question? Jesus is clearly speaking of souls who have developed under the influence of the spirit. Such will have a greater understanding of heavenly things. Then you already have the answer you are seeking. peace, I actually wasn't seeking and answer but rather was asking for the opinion of a certain group of believers! Peace to you as well. That which is - has already been, And what is to be - has already been. Quote: King Solomon. |
No Dhimmi User ID: 1945985 United States 12/04/2012 10:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jesus clearly claimed to be God Almighty that is why He was crucified on the cross. Jesus also clearly accepted worship, Jesus never refused worship. Please read and study the following passages to clear your understanding of who Jesus is who He says He is. Quoting: No Dhimmi Revelation 1:8: I am the Alpha and the Omega says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty. Revelation 1:17-18: When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: Do not be afraid, I am the First and the Last. I am the Living One, I was dead, and behold I am alive forever and ever! John 10:30: I and the Father are one. John 8:58: I tell you the truth, before Abraham was born, I Am (Yah Weh)! Note: The original Hebrew is YHWH – we add the vowels to match our vernacular. John 8:19: You do not know me or my Father. "If you knew me you would also know my Father. John 20:20: Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and My God! Jesus said to him, Thomas because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and believe. First off, the book of Revelation is a vision received by John of Patmos while he was dying on the Galapagos Islands. It was not Christ during his ministry, but rather than perception of Christ in the mind of the writer displayed on paper. Secondly, I was told by a Biblical scholar that each Gospel was written for a different group of people. Through my own research, I come to the conclusion that each of them was written by a different Christian practitioner within varying sects of religion/spirituality/philosophy of the time they were written (which were well after the death of Christ). The Gospel of John was written to convey the message of Christ to more mystic leaning spiritualists. They were moreso the type to have beliefs that would be affirmed by a Messiah as God scenario. Therefore, those verses are not truly indicative of what Christ actually did nor how he carried himself. Rather, they exist to portray an underlying message that (at that place and time) were hard to convey in a singular, cohesive manner. So instead, they conveyed the principles by speaking in the tongues of their audience. See what I'm getting at? I was responding the original post and question - we were not asked for more data on this thread. ALL relevant scriptures that include a time factor prove no pre-trib rapture. Over 50 verses! Kindle Edition only 99 CENTS! Biblical Eschatological “Time-Stamps” Relevant to the Last Day/Days (Amazon) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 12966144 United States 12/04/2012 10:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jesus was God in the flesh because there was and is only one being who's free from sin and righteous enough to save mankind, and that being is God himself. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12966144 "...And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me..." - Isaiah 63:5 To whom hath the arm of the LORD been revealed? peace, That's an AWESOME verse! Thanks! I'd never noticed that one before. Great one. Peace to you too, brother. |
Mr. Deadite User ID: 16214891 United States 12/04/2012 10:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jesus clearly claimed to be God Almighty that is why He was crucified on the cross. Jesus also clearly accepted worship, Jesus never refused worship. Please read and study the following passages to clear your understanding of who Jesus is who He says He is. Quoting: No Dhimmi Revelation 1:8: I am the Alpha and the Omega says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty. Revelation 1:17-18: When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: Do not be afraid, I am the First and the Last. I am the Living One, I was dead, and behold I am alive forever and ever! John 10:30: I and the Father are one. John 8:58: I tell you the truth, before Abraham was born, I Am (Yah Weh)! Note: The original Hebrew is YHWH – we add the vowels to match our vernacular. John 8:19: You do not know me or my Father. "If you knew me you would also know my Father. John 20:20: Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and My God! Jesus said to him, Thomas because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and believe. First off, the book of Revelation is a vision received by John of Patmos while he was dying on the Galapagos Islands. It was not Christ during his ministry, but rather than perception of Christ in the mind of the writer displayed on paper. Secondly, I was told by a Biblical scholar that each Gospel was written for a different group of people. Through my own research, I come to the conclusion that each of them was written by a different Christian practitioner within varying sects of religion/spirituality/philosophy of the time they were written (which were well after the death of Christ). The Gospel of John was written to convey the message of Christ to more mystic leaning spiritualists. They were moreso the type to have beliefs that would be affirmed by a Messiah as God scenario. Therefore, those verses are not truly indicative of what Christ actually did nor how he carried himself. Rather, they exist to portray an underlying message that (at that place and time) were hard to convey in a singular, cohesive manner. So instead, they conveyed the principles by speaking in the tongues of their audience. See what I'm getting at? I was responding the original post and question - we were not asked for more data on this thread. I see. Sorry for debating you. I take this subject a bit personally. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 26268975 Slovakia 12/05/2012 04:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God." Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24009796 John 10:33 "We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy," because we are too stupid to understand you are speaking about. FIXED. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1548981 Australia 12/05/2012 04:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | He called himself the Son of MAN. They the PHarisical hords of the Roman Paulites, called him son of god......Him which Paul never knew as a Man and made Him out to be God. Yahshua means YahWeh is Salavation. Salvation has always been on offer before and after Jesus You can't kill a god but you can kill a man, Son of Man.... huh....Only the demons called Him a Son of god...they lie you know? |
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Semper Fi User ID: 6875630 United States 12/05/2012 06:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ozicell You asked an interesting question and the answer is yes. Everyone through Christ enters into the Godhead of Christ. That was the purpose for this life. This world is a place for testing, pain, suffering, that God may test your heart to see if your humble, to be found worthy to be with him by his side as a son just like Jesus Christ. He is God of Gods just like it's written in psalms. But this only happens through him no other way. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 29130626 South Africa 12/05/2012 08:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What is most remarkable is that adults can spend so much time discussing imaginary beings...fuck! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29130626 Actually, in few years it´ll be you who is that. People are used to speak of God all their short history. It's always in a few years, isn't it? How fucking convenient! lol |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 26268975 Slovakia 12/05/2012 08:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What is most remarkable is that adults can spend so much time discussing imaginary beings...fuck! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29130626 Actually, in few years it´ll be you who is that. People are used to speak of God all their short history. It's always in a few years, isn't it? How fucking convenient! lol I am speaking of your death, not the Coming. Duh |
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