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To the athiests and agnostics I have a question.
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Uhm?
Please show 1 contemporary non-Biblical piece of evidence or reference even of any supernatural occurrence that is described in the Bible.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22089462 I understand what you are asking for but the evidence you "want" doesn't have to exist for there to be evidence. Dismissing the bible in kind is being dismissive of evidence that is available. It is perfectly reasonable especially given the date of the account that the bible is the only source. Not to mention that the bible isn't one source but actually an account written by multiple sources. It just happens to be compounded into one Volume.
but since you asked for non-biblical here you go: Flavius Josephus (37-97 AD), court historian for Emperor Vespasian:" At this time there was a wise man who was called Jesus. And his conduct was good and he was known to be virtuous. And many people from among the Jews and other nations became his disciples. Pilate condemned him to be crucified and to die. And those who had become his disciples did not abandon his discipleship. They reported that he had appeared to them three days after his crucifixion and that he was alive; accordingly, he was perhaps the messiah concerning whom the prophets have recounted wonders." (Arabic translation) He directly reports that there were Christians who in fact did claim that Jesus rose from the dead. You can be dismissive of these reports if you would like. You can come up with any number of reasonable explanations as to why they might say what they said. But the account remains evidence. You may not think they are very credible but they remain evidence despite your feelings on their credibility. Look up the word contemporary please (of which this is not an example). Nor does his testimony provide any reference to a supernatural act as described in the Bible (think darkness over all the land during the day for 3 hours at Jesus'es crucifixion as described in Mark 15:33). Again you seem to be ignoring the point. I was countering the point of their being NO evidence. I never claimed Flavius was a contemporary of Jesus's time period. I could probably point to some Gnostic sources but I suspect you will have the same issue with those as you have with the biblical ones. "Moving the goalposts" by requiring a contemporary non-biblical source is a credibility requirement of your own making. That said I understand the point you are making in that if 3 days of darkness happened, someone should have certainly written about it. But the lack of survival of such an account isn't compelling enough on its own to completely dismiss out of hand that the account actually occurred as biblically stated. I have stated and maintain that while evidence exists, it exists in a state of perpetual reasonable doubt. This, I believe, is to give you the option of logically saying you don't believe. The flip side is of course true, though I hardly expect you'll agree: That there is also an option of logically saying that you DO believe the biblical account. I'll quote what you responded to again;
Please show 1 contemporary non-Biblical piece of evidence or reference even of any supernatural occurrence that is described in the Bible.So you essentially gave me a reference which I never asked for. Even though you claimed I asked for it (see the part I bolded in your post). Oh and it was 3 days? I thought it was 3 hours out of my head? I thought the 3 days darkness thingie was in some end times prophecy? Or was it with Moses in Egypt? Which is also why I kinda asked for ANY non-biblical reference to ANY supernatural occurrence described in the Bible... I agree not having references to 1 miracle might not be very reliable, but ultimately there just isn't any evidence of any of the miracles (OT or NT) in the Bible.
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