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OBAMA: There Won't Be A Debt Ceiling Negotiation This Time!!!

 
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HOUSE REPUBLICAN DEFECTORS READY TO BACK U.S. TAX COMPROMISE
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Why do people still fall for this hook, line, and sinker?

Last time around they hyped it up only to fizzle out in a compromise that nobody was happy with, but avoided the "cliff". Political points were tallied and we moved on.

Here we are again, media is amping it up, setting the stage for Obama to look like a hero. How? By making it sound impossible to find a solution up until the last minute. That way when the inevitable "compromise" is agreed upon, Obama looks like a hero, and Boehner looks like an obstructionist who almost destroyed the country but the country was saved by Obama.

That's the game being played here. That's all it is. If Obama can't trick Boehner into the compromise that will allow Obama to look like a hero, Obama will strongarm him, possibly threaten his family. That's the bottom line.

We'll talk again about this. Obama is using this as a game to further deify himself with help from the media making it sound impossible to achieve. The Republicans are going to come out looking like obstructionist white man pigs no matter how far they compromise. That is also a fact. Boehner could say you know what? Fine...2 trillion in new taxes, and 5 dollars in cuts to programs, and the general public will believe that Obama achieved a great compromise despite the obstructionist Boehner.

How do you think Obama got elected twice? The public was convinced that some warped description of what happened was reality.

Fiscal Cliff? Might as well be a broadway production.
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12/05/2012 12:42 PM

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Dow Now Up 130 After Reports Of Republican Defectors [link to read.bi]
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If there is not going to a debt ceiling negotiation, maybe the progressive repuglicans will grow a set of balls and tell him to stop giving away everything that we earn. It's time to take a stand. Everyone needs to write their senators and reps in Washington. Tell them 'NO MORE DEBT! CUT SPENDING AND BALANCE THE BUDGET!

[link to www.senate.gov]

[link to www.house.gov]
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12/05/2012 12:47 PM
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He thinks he has a mandate becaues he got over 50% of the vote... but that inclues all the VOTER FRAUD where county after county had 100% VOTE for OBAMA ONLY.... like really... this was impossible.

You can not tell me that out of thousands of vote NOT ONE did not show up or did not vote for him.

Give me a FRICKEN BREAK.

In addition that includes the voters who votes 2 or more times.

So... he is so far out of it his ego just can not live in REALITY anymore.
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12/05/2012 12:49 PM
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Outline..
Larger cuts and taxation, Gut SS, Medicare and Medicaid. Budget cut on military, social safety next will unravel. Food stamps and all those who depend on the Government Programs. Snap my fingers, here today gone tomorrow! Entitlements will be gone! Opening the door to destroy the safety net. Robbing our children!
Peterson hedge fund to attack the SS, medicare and medicaid, CEO Wall Street driving this!
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GOOD, let's have some fiscal sanity, reduce the size and scope of the federal government.

Severe spending cuts are needed, then bring our troops home, use that savings to pay down the debt, legalize maryjane, tax it to eliminate the debt, then kick out the federal reserve, print our own money backed by us, get out of the United Nations and become what our forefathers envisioned.

thanks
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REPORT: Several Republican 'Defectors' Sign Letter Endorsing Compromise On The Fiscal Cliff [link to read.bi]
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12/05/2012 12:57 PM
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Yes, Luis. He has scared many of us already. Now the markets...UGH. Pray for us.

I just moved from the midwest to the east coast. I was there for three years. Store after store, and restaurant after restaurant closed. It was sad to see this. More to come, I'm afraid.
 Quoting: abeliever


really? So it's like Europe countries now... all business closing!
 Quoting: Luisport


Yes it is scary..lots of businesses are just gone now..empty buildings empty malls.. Most Blockbuster stores gone. A lot of electronic stores gone. Fabric stores are rare and hard to find. Places we used to frequent are just sitting empty now. So it is like this in Europe too? That is scary.
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nothing is going to change. the national debt is going to continue to skyrocket and the deficit will continue to grow. death spiral.
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Yes, Luis. He has scared many of us already. Now the markets...UGH. Pray for us.

I just moved from the midwest to the east coast. I was there for three years. Store after store, and restaurant after restaurant closed. It was sad to see this. More to come, I'm afraid.
 Quoting: abeliever


really? So it's like Europe countries now... all business closing!
 Quoting: Luisport


Yes it is scary..lots of businesses are just gone now..empty buildings empty malls.. Most Blockbuster stores gone. A lot of electronic stores gone. Fabric stores are rare and hard to find. Places we used to frequent are just sitting empty now. So it is like this in Europe too? That is scary.
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I don't want to hi-jack this thread but your post gave me an idea. What if everyone posted pictures of their towns businesses closed down. I don't think people know how bad it is! I live in a affluent town with vacant stores everywhere.
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there also doing it old DUI,s trffic tickets etc. saying since we switched over to computers we have no record of u paying it so pay it twice community service pay for DWI classes or goto jail
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OBAMA: There Won't Be A Debt Ceiling Negotiation This Time by @brettlogiurato [link to read.bi]
 Quoting: Luisport


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^​

Actually, it would be good for country (USA) for "Fiscal Financial Cliff" to fall!. All the scam ass "Entitlement Peoples will have to fend for themselves. (Mostly Blacks, Latinos and Especially the con ass, fake, fraud, criminal certain types of Jews (not all), including the "Hasadic/Orthodox/Religious/Russian Jews"

Bring it on and bring on "Martial Law" from the Looting, Robbing, Mugging, Attacking, Killing, that will come once many Entitlement/Welfare Funds get cut! Its about time..

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12/05/2012 01:13 PM
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from FRANK KERRY 5pts
9 minutes ago @John Huffman OBAMA,is acting like he won 48 states!

someone needs to remind him,49% of us

don't agree with his policies,the Republicans

will get blamed for going over the cliff,but he

won't come out untarnished,nor have decent

relations with the other side,he's misguided!


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from TERRY NONGIVEN 5pts
5 minutes ago This is the danger of the second term and term limits - he has NOTHING to loose. He is gainfully employed for the next 4 years, guarenteed to loose his job after those 4 years, and from there on out, $1million speaking engagements.
[link to www.marketwatch.com]
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Doesn't matter. His stance: "HE WON, we lost.

GTFO"
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12/05/2012 01:14 PM
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Not recession!

Full blown depression that no one will acknowledge on purpose!
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12/05/2012 01:15 PM

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Yes, Luis. He has scared many of us already. Now the markets...UGH. Pray for us.

I just moved from the midwest to the east coast. I was there for three years. Store after store, and restaurant after restaurant closed. It was sad to see this. More to come, I'm afraid.
 Quoting: abeliever


Won't this raise the price of silver?
Who is John Galt?
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12/05/2012 01:19 PM

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Fuck him.

Don't raise the debt ceiling. Go over the fiscal cliff.

Laugh your ass off.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29134036


^^^ this ^^^

Call his bluff. Let's have those automatic cuts.
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OBAMA: There Won't Be A Debt Ceiling Negotiation This Time by @brettlogiurato [link to read.bi]
 Quoting: Luisport


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^​

Actually, it would be good for country (USA) for "Fiscal Financial Cliff" to fall!. All the scam ass "Entitlement Peoples will have to fend for themselves. (Mostly Blacks, Latinos and Especially the con ass, fake, fraud, criminal certain types of Jews (not all), including the "Hasadic/Orthodox/Religious/Russian Jews"

Bring it on and bring on "Martial Law" from the Looting, Robbing, Mugging, Attacking, Killing, that will come once many Entitlement/Welfare Funds get cut! Its about time..

rant
 Quoting: Future Viewer


Yes, it sounds like a good idea, but the problem is, they won't let the "Entitlement Peoples" fail.....they'll just tax and tax those working and THEN SEND THEM TO JAIL FOR NOT PAYING TAXES if they refuse to fund his programs.....

Eventually the whole system will fall because not enough people are working to support it, and then we are Greece, with thousands protesting in the streets, and everyone's lives in danger....while they figure out how to prop up the system for all those whiney-babies once again.
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12/05/2012 01:21 PM
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kudos to them for keeping the wheels on for so long.


the fed is buying 90% of new debt by printing money, because there is no demand for fresh US debt.. we're in the final throes.

in other news, I'll be buying more silver this week.
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PETER SCHIFF: Eliminating The Debt Ceiling Would Be So Bad That It Could Be Good [link to read.bi]
 Quoting: Luisport


That is a REALLY GOOD article. Refreshingly unbiased. At first I thought it was going to swing left, then right, and in the end I was glad to see that the guy sees it and tells it like it is.
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12/05/2012 01:26 PM

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Fiscal Cliff talks now on hold.
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12/05/2012 01:28 PM

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kudos to them for keeping the wheels on for so long.


the fed is buying 90% of new debt by printing money, because there is no demand for fresh US debt.. we're in the final throes.

in other news, I'll be buying more silver this week.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16155040


Yepper.

Its coming. 18 months or less is my bet.
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12/05/2012 01:33 PM

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GOOD RIDDANCE AMERICA .. YOU SUCK!
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yoda Fuck Off!
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GAYM OVER

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OBAMA: There Won't Be A Debt Ceiling Negotiation This Time by @brettlogiurato [link to read.bi]
 Quoting: Luisport


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^​

Actually, it would be good for country (USA) for "Fiscal Financial Cliff" to fall!. All the scam ass "Entitlement Peoples will have to fend for themselves. (Mostly Blacks, Latinos and Especially the con ass, fake, fraud, criminal certain types of Jews (not all), including the "Hasadic/Orthodox/Religious/Russian Jews"

Bring it on and bring on "Martial Law" from the Looting, Robbing, Mugging, Attacking, Killing, that will come once many Entitlement/Welfare Funds get cut! Its about time..

rant
 Quoting: Future Viewer


Yes, it sounds like a good idea, but the problem is, they won't let the "Entitlement Peoples" fail.....they'll just tax and tax those working and THEN SEND THEM TO JAIL FOR NOT PAYING TAXES if they refuse to fund his programs.....

Eventually the whole system will fall because not enough people are working to support it, and then we are Greece, with thousands protesting in the streets, and everyone's lives in danger....while they figure out how to prop up the system for all those whiney-babies once again.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2712120


bump That is what I'm most concerned about!
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i dont get it. so he doesnt want to negotiat. meaning he doesnt want to raise the ceiling? or that he doesnt want any ceiling at all?
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Fiscal Cliff talks now on hold.
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Compromise final shape: "Revenue hike" from adjusting CPI calculation; "Spending Cuts" from adjusting Personal Spending and NFP calculation
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It means that war is coming...

US is way above the ceiling... tough
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I'm neither republican liberal or democratic... But I dare any of you to try and go against the set of congress Obama is dealing with right now.

He is being forced to act this way because no one seems to give a shit about the debt ceiling except for when an election is on the line...

HAve you guys not noticed how much the republicans have dropped off that issue as soon as they didn't win???

Such fools.
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