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do i have to know the bible to live forever in heaven

 
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Just cause I don't read the Bible doesn't mean I don't know the love of god
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You have to 'believe' it is the Word of God and believe what it says, for Jesus Christ IS the Word and the true Bread of Life.

Hebrews 4:12

12 For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.
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what makes you think you deserve to go to heaven
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Cause I know who I AM and God know who I AM
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nobody deserves it,but you can come to be a part of it if you strive
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you can know every letter of the law and still not practice it or really know and understand it,it takes Holy Spirit to show you into all things...

but dont take bible for granted,it is here for a reason,and knowledge it contains is not cheap
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We don't know who wrote those books?I rather look within and try to receive messages
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If you don't know who wrote those books then you do not know God. For God was the author and men were the scribes.
Jesus said "My sheep, hear(recognize) my voice", if you were His, you would "hear" his words in the Bible and recognize them.
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Visualize non-existence.
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The bible is a good guideline for some of its teachings but ultimately it is irrelevant when it comes to life after death.

Once you discard your current physical body you will go to your sould group in the primary realm. Once this incarnation is evaluated you will return to another physical life. Wash, rinse, repeat until lessons are solidly ingrained.
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you know you will have to stand behind those words right?

you know if you lead others to destruction and death there has to be recompense?
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Absolutely. Just as you will pay a consequence for guilting people through fear into subservience to an irrelevant book with 80,000 known fraudulent alterations.

Unlike your bible, which I have read front to back, the doctrine of reincarnation is continually vetted and confirmed by modern experiences and testimonies.

For the Op, check out the book Many Lives Many Masters by Brian L. Weiss MD as a start. There is another book called Visions of Imortality that is a good follow up.

I don't have any questions. Being a recipient of a bonified NDE and subsequent astral projections as a result I can tell you first hand what happens when this nanosecond life is complete. All these Christian asshat crazies are simply regurgitating years of corrupt church brainwashing. They don't have any genuine experience to speak from besides "feeling the spirit" or whatever mundane bullshit they claim. Seek your own salvation. Be your own priest. That way you'll save some money since you won't have to pay the church to "save you from burning hell"
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Yes.

You must memorize every word of it, and it MUST BE the King James Version.

All the other versions are a pack of Satanic LIES! devil6

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No, just your self
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I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Isaiah 45:7
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The bible is a good guideline for some of its teachings but ultimately it is irrelevant when it comes to life after death.

Once you discard your current physical body you will go to your sould group in the primary realm. Once this incarnation is evaluated you will return to another physical life. Wash, rinse, repeat until lessons are solidly ingrained.
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you know you will have to stand behind those words right?

you know if you lead others to destruction and death there has to be recompense?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29130250


Absolutely. Just as you will pay a consequence for guilting people through fear into subservience to an irrelevant book with 80,000 known fraudulent alterations.

Unlike your bible, which I have read front to back, the doctrine of reincarnation is continually vetted and confirmed by modern experiences and testimonies.

For the Op, check out the book Many Lives Many Masters by Brian L. Weiss MD as a start. There is another book called Visions of Imortality that is a good follow up.

I don't have any questions. Being a recipient of a bonified NDE and subsequent astral projections as a result I can tell you first hand what happens when this nanosecond life is complete. All these Christian asshat crazies are simply regurgitating years of corrupt church brainwashing. They don't have any genuine experience to speak from besides "feeling the spirit" or whatever mundane bullshit they claim. Seek your own salvation. Be your own priest. That way you'll save some money since you won't have to pay the church to "save you from burning hell"
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Firstly, you don't have to go to church to be a follower of Christ and to be saved. Secondly, the church DOES NOT save anyone, God does through the blood of His son, Jesus Christ.
Thirdly,

Matthew 23:13

13 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.
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The bible is a good guideline for some of its teachings but ultimately it is irrelevant when it comes to life after death.

Once you discard your current physical body you will go to your sould group in the primary realm. Once this incarnation is evaluated you will return to another physical life. Wash, rinse, repeat until lessons are solidly ingrained.
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you know you will have to stand behind those words right?

you know if you lead others to destruction and death there has to be recompense?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29130250


Absolutely. Just as you will pay a consequence for guilting people through fear into subservience to an irrelevant book with 80,000 known fraudulent alterations.

Unlike your bible, which I have read front to back, the doctrine of reincarnation is continually vetted and confirmed by modern experiences and testimonies.

For the Op, check out the book Many Lives Many Masters by Brian L. Weiss MD as a start. There is another book called Visions of Imortality that is a good follow up.

I don't have any questions. Being a recipient of a bonified NDE and subsequent astral projections as a result I can tell you first hand what happens when this nanosecond life is complete. All these Christian asshat crazies are simply regurgitating years of corrupt church brainwashing. They don't have any genuine experience to speak from besides "feeling the spirit" or whatever mundane bullshit they claim. Seek your own salvation. Be your own priest. That way you'll save some money since you won't have to pay the church to "save you from burning hell"
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Luke 17:1-2

17 Jesus said to his disciples: “Things that cause people to sin are bound to come, but woe to that person through whom they come. 2 It would be better for him to be thrown into the sea with a millstone tied around his neck than for him to cause one of these little ones to sin.
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Re: do i have to know the bible to live forever in heaven
you can know every letter of the law and still not practice it or really know and understand it,it takes Holy Spirit to show you into all things...

but dont take bible for granted,it is here for a reason,and knowledge it contains is not cheap
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29130250


We don't know who wrote those books?I rather look within and try to receive messages
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27895021

If you don't know who wrote those books then you do not know God. For God was the author and men were the scribes.
Jesus said "My sheep, hear(recognize) my voice", if you were His, you would "hear" his words in the Bible and recognize them.
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Jus sayin I could read dr suess books and those words could speak to me that doesn't mean its the truth who knows what Creator the where worshipping i rather look into things my self asking for guidance he'll lead the way
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Re: do i have to know the bible to live forever in heaven
The bible is a good guideline for some of its teachings but ultimately it is irrelevant when it comes to life after death.

Once you discard your current physical body you will go to your sould group in the primary realm. Once this incarnation is evaluated you will return to another physical life. Wash, rinse, repeat until lessons are solidly ingrained.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28996332


you know you will have to stand behind those words right?

you know if you lead others to destruction and death there has to be recompense?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29130250


Absolutely. Just as you will pay a consequence for guilting people through fear into subservience to an irrelevant book with 80,000 known fraudulent alterations.

Unlike your bible, which I have read front to back, the doctrine of reincarnation is continually vetted and confirmed by modern experiences and testimonies.

For the Op, check out the book Many Lives Many Masters by Brian L. Weiss MD as a start. There is another book called Visions of Imortality that is a good follow up.

I don't have any questions. Being a recipient of a bonified NDE and subsequent astral projections as a result I can tell you first hand what happens when this nanosecond life is complete. All these Christian asshat crazies are simply regurgitating years of corrupt church brainwashing. They don't have any genuine experience to speak from besides "feeling the spirit" or whatever mundane bullshit they claim. Seek your own salvation. Be your own priest. That way you'll save some money since you won't have to pay the church to "save you from burning hell"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28996332


Luke 17:1-2

17 Jesus said to his disciples: “Things that cause people to sin are bound to come, but woe to that person through whom they come. 2 It would be better for him to be thrown into the sea with a millstone tied around his neck than for him to cause one of these little ones to sin.
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Prime example right here Op. never any real information from these cultists. They'll just spew more quotes like it means something when it doesn't. Educating yourself on reincarnation is a sin? You are a brainwashed cult member. Only a sick bastard would tell you to remain stupid. A loving God would NEVER demand that you remain an ignorant fool.

There is far more to life and death than the bible. I encourage you to read it so you can make your own determination. Read it and you will see. Then pick up a book on modern quantum mechanics and see what that says. Be your own priest.
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Just cause I don't read the Bible doesn't mean I don't know the love of god
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If you have access to it (which everyone with internet does at biblegateway.com), then yes you are responsible to at least try to know it. For those who have no choice or no access to it, God knows the true intent of their hearts.
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LOL at the guy who talked about the NDE... ummmm they are called NEAR death experiences because you don't REALLY die!! NDE's are just hallucinations as the brain is losing oxygen! Don't fall for that junk... read the TRUTH in the Bible...death is just a peaceful sleep until the resurrection of life, or the resurrection of damnation.
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you can know every letter of the law and still not practice it or really know and understand it,it takes Holy Spirit to show you into all things...

but dont take bible for granted,it is here for a reason,and knowledge it contains is not cheap
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29130250


We don't know who wrote those books?I rather look within and try to receive messages
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if you are looking WITHIN yourself for answers, they will ALWAYS be the wrong answers! The Bible is where we go for absolute truth!!
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Yes it is important that you get to know what he wants you to do and not do. As well as get to know who he is as a person. And also to seek more of him through his word. But that won't save you. Having a personal relationship with him will. And being born by his spirit.
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The bible is a good guideline for some of its teachings but ultimately it is irrelevant when it comes to life after death.

Once you discard your current physical body you will go to your sould group in the primary realm. Once this incarnation is evaluated you will return to another physical life. Wash, rinse, repeat until lessons are solidly ingrained.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28996332


you know you will have to stand behind those words right?

you know if you lead others to destruction and death there has to be recompense?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29130250


Absolutely. Just as you will pay a consequence for guilting people through fear into subservience to an irrelevant book with 80,000 known fraudulent alterations.

Unlike your bible, which I have read front to back, the doctrine of reincarnation is continually vetted and confirmed by modern experiences and testimonies.

For the Op, check out the book Many Lives Many Masters by Brian L. Weiss MD as a start. There is another book called Visions of Imortality that is a good follow up.

I don't have any questions. Being a recipient of a bonified NDE and subsequent astral projections as a result I can tell you first hand what happens when this nanosecond life is complete. All these Christian asshat crazies are simply regurgitating years of corrupt church brainwashing. They don't have any genuine experience to speak from besides "feeling the spirit" or whatever mundane bullshit they claim. Seek your own salvation. Be your own priest. That way you'll save some money since you won't have to pay the church to "save you from burning hell"
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again self righteousness and pride...

what makes your book,THE book?

who are you to tell people what is true and what is not...

you are the chief of the liars
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The Bible is the armor of God... if you don't read it you can't protect yourself from the retarted posters on this site and many others who try and tell you things that aren't true
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Yes.

You must memorize every word of it, and it MUST BE the King James Version.

All the other versions are a pack of Satanic LIES! devil6

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surely solomons wisdom and the wisdom of God are no match for your righteousness...

you can read the bible all you want,unless you take your heart on a journey you will be overwhelmed and your demons will consume you
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Would a marriage work if the husband-to-be had the mentality of "I want to marry you, but I don't want to know a thing about you"?
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bible has nothing to do with heaven. Live your life the best you can and by the best moral compass you can muster based on love and humanity not the Bible. You will be fine.
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you can know every letter of the law and still not practice it or really know and understand it,it takes Holy Spirit to show you into all things...

but dont take bible for granted,it is here for a reason,and knowledge it contains is not cheap
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29130250


We don't know who wrote those books?I rather look within and try to receive messages
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if you are looking WITHIN yourself for answers, they will ALWAYS be the wrong answers! The Bible is where we go for absolute truth!!
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Good GOD! The bible is a bunch of written words re-written again and again due to individual interpretations. It is like a giant version of "The Telephone Game". The bible has the absolute truth? Then with that thinking so does US Weekly and The National Enquirer.
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The bible is a good guideline for some of its teachings but ultimately it is irrelevant when it comes to life after death.

Once you discard your current physical body you will go to your sould group in the primary realm. Once this incarnation is evaluated you will return to another physical life. Wash, rinse, repeat until lessons are solidly ingrained.
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you know you will have to stand behind those words right?

you know if you lead others to destruction and death there has to be recompense?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29130250


Only if you know better and are teaching falsely. If this person really believes it, then it is not wrong to pass it on to others (just embarrassing later when you find out later you were wrong.) The worst thing is preaching something you know is false.
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What Everyone Should Know Before They Die:

When we cross over we will still have free will which is critical to our continuous refinement. We will still be in a position to continue to refine in mind, 'body' and spirit. We will still have the potential to raise our 'vibrations' of the soul to graduate to a higher realm where there will be higher levels of ecstatic experiences far more intense than the one we initially entered.
The afterlife is divided into different realms (afterlife worlds)- from the lowest darkest vibrating realm to the highest.

We are credibly informed that the average decent person will go to the 'third level.' There will be venues of all kinds of learning. Artists will be able to continue to refine their skills to create enormous inspired beauty. Musicians will be able to perfect their skills and refine their creativity with added inspiration to produce the most heavenly music. Whoever you are, whatever you desire, you will have specialists who will assist in your endeavor to perfect your skills. We will have opportunities to continue to follow the dreams we had on earth and have other opportunities do creative and other things that perhaps we were not able to do on earth. Also we will be enjoying perfect health - the cripple will walk again, the blind will see again, those with any physical or mental problems on earth will be perfectly normal again. The greater and the lesser will be judged ONLY by the level of spirituality (level of vibrations at the time of crossing over) which will be indicated by the brightness of one's own aura which surrounds the body. But one thing is certain, we will find ourselves in a most friendly environment where we will be able to continue to refine with much grace and inspiration - even if it takes eons of earth's time to reach our goal - the highest spirituality. We have an eternity to continue to improve, to progress, to refine in mind and spirit.

There is some concern by a number of people about the 'lower' realms. Let's clarify this. As stated at the time of the crossing people will have the accumulated "vibrations" from their lifetime on earth. The level of vibrations of average decent people will usually qualify them to go to the 'third realm' described above. But there will be some others who will NOT automatically end up in the third realm.

First, there will be some who get stuck for an indefinite period of time between the earth plane and the third realm - this will be a most serious problem. These may be hard core skeptics and others who had rigid, inflexible negative beliefs and who obstinately refused to believe that the afterlife exists. When these closed minded skeptics and debunkers of the afterlife find themselves in the afterlife they will refuse to believe they are 'dead' because they will still have a body (the duplicate of the body they had on earth- they will be able to see, hear and feel things- everything will be just as solid as on earth.). But they will know that something is very seriously different - when they try to talk to people on earth, no one responds to them because people on earth generally cannot see them, cannot hear them, cannot detect their presence. This refusal to believe that they have crossed over will cause confusion in their mind and this confusion could last for more than a thousand years by earth's time - even thousands of years. It is only when they admit they were wrong that they will be able to progress. That is why the state of mind at the time of crossing over ought NOT be rigid. The afterlife consequences are ENORMOUS and we must find the time to learn more about the afterlife. It will be critical to keep an open mind and to allow for the unexpected - especially for those whose environment was dogmatic about what to expect and what NOT to expect in the afterlife.

Secondly, the minority of people who were deliberately cruel, willfully evil, and knowingly selfish would have lower vibrations compared to the average decent person. Those with the lowest vibrations will find themselves in the lowest vibrational afterlife realm where conditions are horrendous. Information transmitted from the other side tells us in crystal clear terms that this lowest vibrational realm is so horrible we do not have the vocabulary to describe the heinous conditions. Some from the other side - such as Hugh Benson in the Anthony Borgia afterlife books, have tried but the description was limited because our vocabulary is restricted. He said words to the effect this lowest realm is dark, very cold, putrid in the extreme and inhabited by horrible entities who deliberately give each other horrible experiences.

But NOBODY sends people to this realm. It's all governed by the law of physics - the law of attraction -like level of vibrations attracts like level of vibrations. And if someone from the earth plane crosses over with extremely low vibrations (lowest spirituality), he/she will automatically be attracted to the lowest vibrating realm which can accommodate his/her level of vibrations. No one with lowest vibrations is able to inhabit the higher vibrational realms.

The Law of Cause and Effect also becomes operational. 'You reap what you sow' is a most powerful inevitable law. No one escapes this law; no one can erase the law of retribution. But there is also the Law of Progress which means that even if it takes eaons of time - thousands of years in earth's time, all those who crossed over to the afterlife and who send themselves in the lowest realms will at one time or another attain the light of the higher realms.

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op, no proof, no truth. if i tell you i saw a 7ft werewolf devouring a sheep on my way home earlier, would you believe it on a) blind faith or b) demand solid proof? if you said a, then you're gullible fool who is easy to manipulate.

it was a story invented to scare you into obedience, so you pay your taxes and do as you're told. fact is, you're dishonouring yourself when you allow others to scare you and force you to believe in stories which have zero evidence to support them.

most people have had these religious scare tactics hammered into them from a young age, that they are terrified to question the validity of the bible in case they're thrown into a lake of fire when they die. what a fucking horrible burden to carry around throughout your life. but common sense refutes such things when you realize, that a) there is no evidence for anything in the bible b) the roman empire (ruthless butchers, barbarians, invaders - FACT!) created these scare tactics so people would submit to them and pay taxes.
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Re: do i have to know the bible to live forever in heaven
ask the thief that was being crucified with Jesus

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