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Did The French Concorde Plane Stop Flying? It's Because Of The Recent Athmosphere Modification?

 
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Did The French Concorde Plane Stop Flying? It's Because Of The Recent Athmosphere Modification?
That's the stuff I think it is, so not because it was a dangerous plane or an expensive one to maintain.

What do you think?
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Re: Did The French Concorde Plane Stop Flying? It's Because Of The Recent Athmosphere Modification?
I'm just connecting some dots:

1 - The stars / planets / sun / moon are more bright than in the past especially in the last 30 months (maybe the atmosphere is more thinner).

2 - Jupiter's moon are now also visible with the naked eyes only.

3 -
NASA says that the clouds are falling down a 'bit'.

4 - The moon since late 2007 is seen in sideways mode even in regions where its not supposed to be seen on the Northern Hemisphere.

5 - Gamma radiation seems rising due to minor filtration; the Concorde's altitude were more higher than normal boeings, so the Gamma rays.

6 -
Boeings seems to fly more lower than in the past (now you can hear its engine easily if you are out of the city in a noiseless place).

7 - Methane from the underground seems to rising from lots of Earth's locations everywhere.

8 - Climate is going nuts itself.

9 - Nothern Lights were seen even at very lower latitudes recently.







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Re: Did The French Concorde Plane Stop Flying? It's Because Of The Recent Athmosphere Modification?
hhhmmmm

you might be on to something

the concorde AND the space shuttle both no longer being used around same time.....

and its not like either had an immediate replacement or something
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It's because they accidentally crashed one into a hotel.
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Re: Did The French Concorde Plane Stop Flying? It's Because Of The Recent Athmosphere Modification?
Working in the airline industry myself, I'll say that most people want lower ticket prices in lieu of speed, luxury, and all the bells and whistles. If you look at most US based airlines, the workhorses of their fleet is the regional jet that seat less than 100 people. They are lightweight (so cheaper to fuel) and the jets themselves are known as "disposable" as their life expectancy is around 10-15 years instead of 30+ for the big wide bodies. Airlines don't invest in many of the high end jets. The Concorde only seated 100 passengers, and ticket prices were anywhere from $5-20 thousand dollars. Toward the end of its run, they couldn't fill the planes and couldn't even break even on operating costs due to the fact that that plane burns fuel at a much higher rate and fuel prices were starting their steep increases in the early 2000's.

Another factor is post 911 security and TSA. People don't like the hassles, and I don't blame them. I deal with it every day at work. If someone had the extra cash, they could rent their own jet with crew and not go through security. The plane would be ready whenever you wanted to leave and most importantly you wouldn't have to deal with all the other passengers and the drama of carry on luggage. The wealthy business travelers use companies like Net Jets, which is a co-op for people who would rather charter privately and can afford it.

I just think that the days of excess and luxury that were prevalently existed in the 70's-90's are over. People don't have the need or want to spend $20 grand to get from JKF to Paris in 3.5hrs, and if they did they would rent a private jet instead of flying commercial.

I think it is a lot more black and white than conspiracy. I've been in the industry for almost 15 years and watched the steady decline of service and luxury in the airline.
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Re: Did The French Concorde Plane Stop Flying? It's Because Of The Recent Athmosphere Modification?
That's the stuff I think it is, so not because it was a dangerous plane or an expensive one to maintain.

What do you think?
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What are the maintenance costs of a Concorde compared to a modern jet?
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Re: Did The French Concorde Plane Stop Flying? It's Because Of The Recent Athmosphere Modification?
The operating cost of an Airbus 330-300 is $10,216/hr or $20.16/nautical mile. It seats up to 335 passengers and has a range of 7,250 nm.

The concorde has an operatiing cost of $53,166/hr or $42.16/nautical mile. It seats up to 100 passengers.

Most traditional jets fly at an airspeed of around .80 mach, the concorde would fly between 1.7-2 mach, so it would get you there in roughly half the time.

Lets put that into some figures. Paris to New York is 3624 nautical miles. That means to cover operating costs of the Airbus aircraft alone, it will cost each passenger $.06 per mile or $218 for the journey from Paris to New York.

For the Concorde's 100 passengers it will cost each of them $.42 per nautical mile or $1527 for the operating cost. This is about seven times the price and you really only get there 3.5 hrs earlier. Is it worth the difference? I guess not.
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Re: Did The French Concorde Plane Stop Flying? It's Because Of The Recent Athmosphere Modification?
It's because they accidentally crashed one into a hotel.
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Yeah that was horrific but I never understood why the Concorde stopped flying after one accident. What's up with that. Planes crash all the time.
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Working in the airline industry myself, I'll say that most people want lower ticket prices in lieu of speed, luxury, and all the bells and whistles. If you look at most US based airlines, the workhorses of their fleet is the regional jet that seat less than 100 people. They are lightweight (so cheaper to fuel) and the jets themselves are known as "disposable" as their life expectancy is around 10-15 years instead of 30+ for the big wide bodies. Airlines don't invest in many of the high end jets. The Concorde only seated 100 passengers, and ticket prices were anywhere from $5-20 thousand dollars. Toward the end of its run, they couldn't fill the planes and couldn't even break even on operating costs due to the fact that that plane burns fuel at a much higher rate and fuel prices were starting their steep increases in the early 2000's.

Another factor is post 911 security and TSA. People don't like the hassles, and I don't blame them. I deal with it every day at work. If someone had the extra cash, they could rent their own jet with crew and not go through security. The plane would be ready whenever you wanted to leave and most importantly you wouldn't have to deal with all the other passengers and the drama of carry on luggage. The wealthy business travelers use companies like Net Jets, which is a co-op for people who would rather charter privately and can afford it.

I just think that the days of excess and luxury that were prevalently existed in the 70's-90's are over. People don't have the need or want to spend $20 grand to get from JKF to Paris in 3.5hrs, and if they did they would rent a private jet instead of flying commercial.

I think it is a lot more black and white than conspiracy. I've been in the industry for almost 15 years and watched the steady decline of service and luxury in the airline.
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Are you kidding me? There have never been richer people in the world than there are today. And TSA happened way after the Concorde accident if I'm not mistaken.
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Re: Did The French Concorde Plane Stop Flying? It's Because Of The Recent Athmosphere Modification?
I'm just connecting some dots:

1 - The stars / planets / sun / moon are more bright than in the past especially in the last 30 months (maybe its more thinner).

2 - NASA says that the clouds are falling down.

3 - Boeings seems to fly more lower than in the past (now you can hear its engine easily if you are out of the city in a noiseless place).4 - Methane from the underground seems to rising from lots of earths locations everywhere.

5 - Climate is going nuts itself.



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I think what you are noticing is the increase of planes in the air. Unless you can tell the difference of the particular sound of Boeings and other planes (and many use the same engine manufacturers) you are probably noticing the increase of regional jets at smaller airports around the world. This is the trend right now. No one wants to drive more than an hour to catch a flight, so big airlines use smaller regional jets (like Embraers) to tranfer people from smaller towns to the big hub cities. This means MANY more planes in that precious airspace and more noise all hours of the day and night.
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Re: Did The French Concorde Plane Stop Flying? It's Because Of The Recent Athmosphere Modification?
Working in the airline industry myself, I'll say that most people want lower ticket prices in lieu of speed, luxury, and all the bells and whistles. If you look at most US based airlines, the workhorses of their fleet is the regional jet that seat less than 100 people. They are lightweight (so cheaper to fuel) and the jets themselves are known as "disposable" as their life expectancy is around 10-15 years instead of 30+ for the big wide bodies. Airlines don't invest in many of the high end jets. The Concorde only seated 100 passengers, and ticket prices were anywhere from $5-20 thousand dollars. Toward the end of its run, they couldn't fill the planes and couldn't even break even on operating costs due to the fact that that plane burns fuel at a much higher rate and fuel prices were starting their steep increases in the early 2000's.

Another factor is post 911 security and TSA. People don't like the hassles, and I don't blame them. I deal with it every day at work. If someone had the extra cash, they could rent their own jet with crew and not go through security. The plane would be ready whenever you wanted to leave and most importantly you wouldn't have to deal with all the other passengers and the drama of carry on luggage. The wealthy business travelers use companies like Net Jets, which is a co-op for people who would rather charter privately and can afford it.

I just think that the days of excess and luxury that were prevalently existed in the 70's-90's are over. People don't have the need or want to spend $20 grand to get from JKF to Paris in 3.5hrs, and if they did they would rent a private jet instead of flying commercial.

I think it is a lot more black and white than conspiracy. I've been in the industry for almost 15 years and watched the steady decline of service and luxury in the airline.
 Quoting: KungPowMeowMeow


Are you kidding me? There have never been richer people in the world than there are today. And TSA happened way after the Concorde accident if I'm not mistaken.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29096310

911 happened one year after the crash in 2000. And the rich are spending their money on private planes instead of flying commercial. I am referring to the general population in the sense that the average traveller doesn't want to spend excess money on travel. That is why all the travel sites like expedia and travelocity are so hot. Everyone wants cheap.
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Re: Did The French Concorde Plane Stop Flying? It's Because Of The Recent Athmosphere Modification?
Another point I will add its the moons of Jupiter.

Now they are visible with just the naked eyes.

BTW, the planes are boeings as well, not small planes.
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I'm just connecting some dots:

1 - The stars / planets / sun / moon are more bright than in the past especially in the last 30 months (maybe its more thinner).
 Quoting: DUCM900


Except that they're not.
2 - Jupiter's moon are now also visible with the naked eyes only.

 Quoting: DUCM900


Jupiter's moons are no more or less visible than they have been.

3 - NASA says that the clouds are falling down.
 Quoting: DUCM900


Whaat??

4 - Gamma radiation seems rising due to minor filtration; the Concorde's altitude were more higher than normal boeings, so the Gamma rays.

 Quoting: DUCM900


Whaat??

5 - Boeings seems to fly more lower than in the past (now you can hear its engine easily if you are out of the city in a noiseless place).
 Quoting: DUCM900


Whaat??

6 - Methane from the underground seems to rising from lots of earths locations everywhere.
 Quoting: DUCM900


Whaat??

7 - Climate is going nuts itself.
 Quoting: DUCM900


Well, that is open to interpretation


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What does that have to do with anything?
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Too expensive to make it profitable


it's all about the money..
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Re: Did The French Concorde Plane Stop Flying? It's Because Of The Recent Athmosphere Modification?
From my former experience in the USAF, the older an aircraft gets, the weaker the airframe gets, and they get more and more expensive to maintain to the point they're not safe to fly anymore, simple.
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Maintenance cost, fuel prices, noise pollution.
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The Concorde was a limited production airliner. The fleet was old and worn out. It was not air worthy any more. No hidden agenda.
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Re: Did The French Concorde Plane Stop Flying? It's Because Of The Recent Athmosphere Modification?
Maintenance cost, fuel prices, noise pollution.
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This - > & this [link to www.rte.ie]

Not because athmosphere modification although it will have one.
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It's because they accidentally crashed one into a hotel.
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Thanks for the precision...
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Re: Did The French Concorde Plane Stop Flying? It's Because Of The Recent Athmosphere Modification?
Concorde is the most beautiful, the fastest and best passenger transport aircraft ever built by humans.

If you wish to learn more about Concorde you can go to this website where you will find all the pictures and information on the whole French and British Concorde fleets and pre-production aircraft.

[link to www.concordesst.com]

There is also a forum going with the website if you have questions.

[link to concordesst.yuku.com]
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Re: Did The French Concorde Plane Stop Flying? It's Because Of The Recent Athmosphere Modification?
That's the stuff I think it is, so not because it was a dangerous plane or an expensive one to maintain.

What do you think?
 Quoting: DUCM900











There were several problem the first and foremost was profitability it was just to expensive.

The second was the number of airports it was allowed to land at due to noise and runway lengths. It couldn't even land in Denver because of the altitude it wouldn't be able to take back off when fully loaded.

The third was the tires and the landing speed.
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Uh, the Concorde was retired in 2003, primarily due to the economic issues already mentioned by several. Nothing to do with Space Shuttle retirement in 2011, or any of the mostly bogus changes mentioned by the second post.

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That's the stuff I think it is, so not because it was a dangerous plane or an expensive one to maintain.

What do you think?
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YEP!!!

it was TAKEN OUT!!

think about it.
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Airlines never make money. They are like money-pits. They serve as government fronts and are usually subsidized by the government to keep them operating. Governments like them because they are kind of like a prestige symbol. Concorde was neat and marked a nice achievement, but you can bet those things were expensive as hell to maintain and a big money loser.
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Large passenger jets give the big aeronautical defense contractors something to do when they aren't busy making weapons of destruction for governments.
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Re: Did The French Concorde Plane Stop Flying? It's Because Of The Recent Athmosphere Modification?
Did The French Concorde Plane Stop Flying?
 Quoting: DUCM900

Yes.

British/French, BTW.

It's Because Of The Recent Athmosphere Modification?
 Quoting: DUCM900

No.

That's the stuff I think it is
 Quoting: DUCM900

Have you ever had a thought that intersected with reality?

I'm just connecting some dots:
 Quoting: DUCM900

Humans are compulsive connect-the-dotters, make sure they're actually dots.

1 - The stars / planets / sun / moon are more bright than in the past especially in the last 30 months (maybe its more thinner).
 Quoting: DUCM900

A lie.

2 - Jupiter's moon are now also visible with the naked eyes only.
 Quoting: DUCM900

A lie.
3 - NASA says that the clouds are falling down.
 Quoting: DUCM900

A lie.

4 - Gamma radiation seems rising due to minor filtration; the Concorde's altitude were more higher than normal boeings, so the Gamma rays.
 Quoting: DUCM900

A lie.

5 - Boeings seems to fly more lower than in the past (now you can hear its engine easily if you are out of the city in a noiseless place).
 Quoting: DUCM900

A lie.

6 - Methane from the underground seems to rising from lots of earths locations everywhere.
 Quoting: DUCM900

Of course it does.
It's lighter than air.

7 - Climate is going nuts itself.
 Quoting: DUCM900

As predicted.


 Quoting: DUCM900

An aircraft.
Which only flew 55 scheduled passenger flights.
book

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It's because they accidentally crashed one into a hotel.
 Quoting: Aunty Flo

Yeah that was horrific but I never understood why the Concorde stopped flying after one accident. What's up with that. Planes crash all the time.
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The aviation industry was hanging by it's nails in the early noughts.
People just gave up on it.
I doubt it actually ever made a profit.
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Re: Did The French Concorde Plane Stop Flying? It's Because Of The Recent Athmosphere Modification?
The Concorde stopped flying because:

1. Cost a fortune to run it. Burned jet fuel like a 747 but only carried 119 passengers!

2. Slowing demand for it. The one way fare on Concorde was first class plus 25% when it was at the end of it's life. You could get "deals" and Frequent Flyers on Air France and British Airways could use mileage for upgrade to Concorde in the slower off seasons.

3. The planes themselves (the entire small fleet) was getting old. They were beautifully maintained but they had been flying since 1976. That's a long time for a single airplane type to be flying. Parts and maintenance costs were high, fuel was awful in price, etc.

4. It was not a comfortable aircraft. The cabin was small. All seating was "first class" but it was not a spacious plane. Of course since you could go from London to NYC in less than three hours, it didn't make much difference

5. Concorde had an EXCELLENT safety record. But it was getting older and parts had to be scrounged off of other, older and already retired members of the small fleet. All the Nav/Electronics had been upgraded to keep it as "state of the art" but the planes were going on 30 years of service when they were put out to pasture.

In late 2002 or early 2003 a Concorde Flight crashed on takeoff from Charles de Gaule in Paris and as I recall, all 119 people on board were killed. I'm sure that Air France's decision to retire the SS planes was influenced and sped up by that one notable crash.

BTW: the final commercial flights of The Concorde took place in Sept and October and one or two in November of 2003. Sad to see the old beast retired. I flew on it three or four times from the late 70's thru 2002. Then in 2003 near the end of it's service we took a cruise on Cunard from NYC to South Hampton/ London, UK. Cunard had a deal that for an extra 500 or 750 you could "upgrade" your return flight to NYC to Concorde Service. We did so and my daughter who was 6/7 that year still talks about it and dazzles her friends with her tales of the REAL supersonic Jetliner that she actually crossed the Atlantic on. Cunard and Air France gave each passenger a "commemorative video" tape of our flight, from boarding to the cockpit views, to cabin service and finally to the landing at Kennedy and the passengers disembarking, etc.My daughter had hers transferred to DVD format, and even has clips of it on her iPhone today, as well as on her computer, and backed up on our video server, iCloud and anything else she can think of to keep the memories safe (the original was on a VHS cartridge) and it's one of her fondest memories of her travels with Daddy.
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Re: Did The French Concorde Plane Stop Flying? It's Because Of The Recent Athmosphere Modification?
I've just add 1 more point: Aurora Borealis in USA 2012:

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I've just add 1 more point: Aurora Borealis in USA 2012:


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Are you just ignoring all of the posts pointing out that it was actually due to safety issues and the economic and commercial climate? I understand that blaming weather modification and gamma rays is more fun but seriously man.
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