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Orion is in the Wrong Place!!!

 
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Well, this is the third thread about orion in the wrong place since 2007.

Now, I am much more intrigued to know if Astromut confirmed the 6 arcseconds dicrepancy of polaris position he observed wrt where it should had been.

Whoever claims that a constellation if off its place, should compare positions on the same date on consecutive years. Anything else is just plain ignorance about how the apparent movement of sky objects works.
 Quoting: Red Hot Chilean Pepe


(red txt) and the sideway moon started to appear with minor frequency from 2007 as well. Is it only a coincidence that? I guess not.

Anyway what astroturd has wrote/write, its irrelevant, wonder why you mention him pretty much and know how many thread about the stuff are there.

Are you shilling?


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Here the theads about Orion:

Thread: << ORION IS IN THE "WRONG" PLACE!! >> (2007)


Thread: the constellation ORION is in the wrong place! (2011)

The thread about the sideway moon are lots more (pretty obvious why).



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Astro, thanks a lot for all the trouble again, it's wonderful to have you and your knowledge available here!

hf
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Hmm fat hillibilly astronomer, ill go with crazy thanks
 Quoting: Hooch 14033322


On what sort of proof?

Are you qualified to prove him wrong?

Just asking.....................................

And thanks for the "fat" reference. I'm fat and I resetn that.

Very much. Dumb-ass retard Illuminati sex-slave idiot fuck.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 777204

This guy hasn't presented anything TO prove wrong. All he's done is point at one part of the daytime sky, say "Orion used to be there", point at another part of the daytime sky, say "now Orion is there", and conclude that Orion has moved.

If he had *any* understanding of astronomy, he should be able to easily provide the necessary positional notation (declination, ascension, etc) of the new location. *That* is something that could be verified or disproven.

As it is, Orion's position in the sky is well documented, even in sources that "They" can't modify; you should be able to go to any library and check out a 10-15 year old sky atlas that will provide Orion's positional notation and verify for yourself that Orion is where it always has been.
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Theory as to why we are experiencing severe environmental change.

Oil is the earth’s natural coolant.
Therefore, extraction of oil makes the earth’s crust warmer.
Warmer earth’s crust makes the oceans warmer.
Warmer oceans, causes severe hurricanes/cyclones, and thunderstorms.

Oil is a substance that balances the earth’s crust.
Extraction of oil makes the earth’s crust unbalanced.
Unbalanced earth’s crust causes severe earthquakes, tsunamis and volcanos.

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Also explains why the earth is off it's natural orbit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29194242









AAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Is that why it comes out of the ground all by itself?

Ever hear of Spindle Top and how they found the oil field it's on?

All humans are doing is relieving the excess oil pressure inside the earth so it doesn't have to leak onto the surface and pollute the ground! DUH!!!

AAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! YEAH RIGHT!!!!!
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a simple answer would be that the earth is experiencing a gradual geomagnetic shift. as in the continents are not in the right places anymore. as in climate change is the collective effects on organisms of being shifted out of their normal climate zones
 Quoting: EugeneOregonAwakened


GRADUAL?

lol

norespect




188 LEY-LINE MERKABA DISCOVERED INSIDE EARTH REVEALS POLESHIFT March 2013 (Pt 4 segment 1 of 2)




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Well, this is the third thread about orion in the wrong place since 2007.

Now, I am much more intrigued to know if Astromut confirmed the 6 arcseconds dicrepancy of polaris position he observed wrt where it should had been.

Whoever claims that a constellation if off its place, should compare positions on the same date on consecutive years. Anything else is just plain ignorance about how the apparent movement of sky objects works.
 Quoting: Red Hot Chilean Pepe


(red txt) and the sideway moon started to appear with minor frequency from 2007 as well. Is it only a coincidence that? I guess not.

Anyway what astroturd has wrote/write, its irrelevant, wonder why you mention him pretty much and know how many thread about the stuff are there.

Are you shilling?


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 Quoting: DUCM900

I AM HAPPY to see that you guys aren't going to
put "off-track" by someone claiming to be an
"expert" on astronomy and "WHAT IS GOING ON RIGHT
NOW IN SPACE"....
LISTEN, we are in uncharted territory right now.
There are influences on this planet which have
NO MODEL in current college/professional astronomy
book! Danny Wilten--just through his computer analyst
background and his love of ART discovered that there
was a BLACK HOLE in the center of ORION. We are talking
about A YEAR AGO when nobody was even looking at Orion
for this info! 2 Weeks ago NASA comes out with their
PUFFER-BELLY Astrophysicists claiming: "OH! WE HAVE
FOUND A BLACK HOLE IN THE CENTER OF THE ORION NEBULA!"
WOW! WHat a coincidence, huh?
I put this together for you because we DO NOT NEED
THE PUFFER-BELLIES telling us what we SEE with our
OWN EYES and can analyze with our own minds!!
I HAVE and idea why our OP is seeing the Orion
Constellation in THE WRONG PLACE.
I do NOT believe that he is lieing, nor is he
"mental" or a "hillbilly" or any other disparaging
remarks about his sincere effort to bring this
information forward for GLP!!
Here is a thread that is posted TODAY 12-03-12
concerning a GLP member doing excellent analysis
on an "EXTRA-SOLAR BODY" having an influence on
EARTHQUAKES.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND HOW THE GRAVITATION/MAGNETICS
can bend light? If there is an EXTRA-SOLAR BODY
affecting our geomagnetics TO THE POINT TO CAUSE
8.0 pt+ earthquakes, the same body CAN AFFECT
THE LIGHT we see in the night sky from the stars--
and ESPECIALLY the larger constellations.
The LIGHT which normally would filter through and
show ORION over the back of the trailer--which OP
swears he has seen for 10 years--COULD BE BENDING
with the gravitation effects of the 'EXTRA-SOLAR
BODY' and bounce the light a number of degrees
where he NOW SEES ORION OVER THE MOUNTAINS.
THE PROOF OF THIS will be if OP watches the
position of ORION and sees if the constellation
CHANGES back to where he is normally used to seeing
it.
IF IT CHANGES, IT NOT ONLY PROVES THE LIGHT WAS
BENDING, BUT IT PROVES THAT THE EXTRA-SOLAR BODY
WHICH EFFECTING THE EARTH IS MOVING TOO! (see the link:
Thread: MEGA Earthquakes, Magnetic field anomalies, Earth Booms and Auroras NOT RANDOM! Proof there is an outside force affecting the Earth!
I didn't think this up, it is well-documented in
several places on the internet concerning the
effects of gravitational pull and magnetics on the
positioning of LIGHT!
PLEASE ENCOURAGE THE OP TO COME BACK IN A FEW
WEEKS AND LET US KNOW IF ORION'S POSITION HAS CHANGED!
(Remember! NO PUFFER-BELLIES ALLOWED!)
Cheers!
SK


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Here the theads about Orion:

Thread: << ORION IS IN THE "WRONG" PLACE!! >> (2007)


Thread: the constellation ORION is in the wrong place! (2011)

The thread about the sideway moon are lots more (pretty obvious why).



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Hmm fat hillibilly astronomer, ill go with crazy thanks
 Quoting: Hooch 14033322


On what sort of proof?

Are you qualified to prove him wrong?

Just asking.....................................

And thanks for the "fat" reference. I'm fat and I resetn that.

Very much. Dumb-ass retard Illuminati sex-slave idiot fuck.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 777204

This guy hasn't presented anything TO prove wrong. All he's done is point at one part of the daytime sky, say "Orion used to be there", point at another part of the daytime sky, say "now Orion is there", and conclude that Orion has moved.

If he had *any* understanding of astronomy, he should be able to easily provide the necessary positional notation (declination, ascension, etc) of the new location. *That* is something that could be verified or disproven.

As it is, Orion's position in the sky is well documented, even in sources that "They" can't modify; you should be able to go to any library and check out a 10-15 year old sky atlas that will provide Orion's positional notation and verify for yourself that Orion is where it always has been.
 Quoting: phoomp


THIS IS TRUE...(YES, I agree with your outrage at
the "fat Hillbilly" reference being REALLY VILE!)
And...yes, you can reference where ORION is located
and I am sure that the OP has probably already done
that.
THIS DOES NOT RING TRUE IF THE PROBLEM THE OP
IS DEALING WITH IS: The light in the sky above the
area of the Earth where OP lives is BEING DISTORTED
and bent by an "extra-solar" body. It is what some
of us would consider "A SIGN"--A WARNING--that is
being given NOT ABOUT ORION...BUT ABOUT A LARGE
APRROACHING EXTRA-SOLAR BODY BIG ENOUGH TO BEND
LIGHT!!
In my book, what OP is seeing is telling us:
"I'M HERE....GET READY!" and how wonderful to
bend the light of ORION when ORION is one of the
longest-running SACRED CONSTELLATIONS on the planet!
Cheers!
SK


hf
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Then it does not necessarily have to be earth's axis, now----wouldn't it?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29217019


Yes. It would.
Could be one of a dozen things.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29217019


Then name 11 more.

1) Could be an increase in the vibrational level of our reality, making us ready for some sort of "ascension" of some sort.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29217019


Oh fuck....

2) Could also be a combination of that AND an axis problem.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29217019


There is no "axis problem".

3) Could also be like the guy from Finland said early in the thread-----our reality is shifting and changing and it may accelretae by Dec 21.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29217019


Oh fuck...

4) The Finnish guy also said that if it WAS an axis problem, EVRYTHING would be off kilter by now.
So yes, you and he may have a point.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29217019


Gee thanks.

5) Just because it is is not an obvious axis problem does not mean soemthing is not happening here that earth-shaking and history-making. Some are being too literal and "obvious" here. Just saying.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29217019


Oh fuck... let's not be "literal"- let's be obtuse and vague and run our lives based on internet rumors, myths and hysterics, shall we? Why don't YOU go ahead and do that...
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


Oh, I get it..............skeptic materialist. Gotcha. rockon

Guess there is nothing else to say then.........except........

Ok, it's all just a delusion of our paranoid believing brains and there's nothing going on right now.

We'll continue as a species on the upward track for the hundred years or so until we reach the stars and then we will start colonizing planets, after we will evolve to the extent where we achieve Immortality of the Body and get rid of such annoying things as Religion, Spirituality, and replace those with soemthing much more realistic and worthwhile, like worship of of such brilliant minds as Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris.

In the meantime, the "scientific method" states that ANYTHING that is outside of an "expert"'s usual knowledge is obviously wrong and can be easily explained by "physical causes combined with paranoid delusion."

Which is what most everybody in this site, except some very few truly enlightened and rational minds like you, have.

Thanks for reminding me of that. I will know know better than to question something you have decalred as fact. Please forgive everybody in this site that looks at things differently than you and has the gall to disagree with you.

We just don't know any better.

So tell me, honored sir..........

What is the cause of people seeing illusions of this sort?

Mass psychosis? End times hysteria? What?

I await your answer with bated breath and dunce cap on, honored sir.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29217019


It's not about what they are "seeing". It is about the interpretation of what they are seeing based on their memory, which they insist can't be wrong. That makes it a choice between their memory being faulty or the astronomical community all being in on a massive coverup of the whole thing. I'll ask you: Which is more likely?
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


I'll go with the massive not massive just adjustment of the Internet Astronomy sites coverup thanks anytime before I will trust the word of some boozo whom won't use his or herrs real name on the Internet to try and convince me that they are some kind of expert and that I should believe every argument they present me. You Astronomy guys aroung here are shit. Who are you people. Your just people. I don't trust total strangers and thats all any of you are to any one of us on this site. The people living up North are real. Your not.
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Well, this is the third thread about orion in the wrong place since 2007.

Now, I am much more intrigued to know if Astromut confirmed the 6 arcseconds dicrepancy of polaris position he observed wrt where it should had been.

Whoever claims that a constellation if off its place, should compare positions on the same date on consecutive years. Anything else is just plain ignorance about how the apparent movement of sky objects works.
 Quoting: Red Hot Chilean Pepe


(red txt) and the sideway moon started to appear with minor frequency from 2007 as well. Is it only a coincidence that? I guess not.

Anyway what astroturd has wrote/write, its irrelevant, wonder why you mention him pretty much and know how many thread about the stuff are there.

Are you shilling?


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 Quoting: DUCM900

...
Here is a thread that is posted TODAY 12-03-12
concerning a GLP member doing excellent analysis
on an "EXTRA-SOLAR BODY" having an influence on
EARTHQUAKES.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND HOW THE GRAVITATION/MAGNETICS
can bend light? If there is an EXTRA-SOLAR BODY
affecting our geomagnetics TO THE POINT TO CAUSE
8.0 pt+ earthquakes, the same body CAN AFFECT
THE LIGHT we see in the night sky from the stars--
and ESPECIALLY the larger constellations.
The LIGHT which normally would filter through and
show ORION over the back of the trailer--which OP
swears he has seen for 10 years--COULD BE BENDING
with the gravitation effects of the 'EXTRA-SOLAR
BODY' and bounce the light a number of degrees
where he NOW SEES ORION OVER THE MOUNTAINS.
...
 Quoting: SilentlyKnowing


You are right: Gravity bends light - it's called "gravitational lens".

What do you need for a gravitational lens?
A mass millions to billions the mass of our sun - also called a black hole.

So you tell us, we have a black hole in our solarsystem?

Either LOL
Or get in the tomato plants and DOOM ON.

I tend to 1rof1 1rof1 1rof1


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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

aseindia
Annular Solar Eclipse - January 15, 2010 - Rameshwaram, India
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Do NONE of you people have software that pinpoints where stars should be using data that you give it for your own location?


ORION is where it should be.
Look it up.
 Quoting: mikebo2

Oh, they do, but they all believe that "They" have modified the software as part of some cover up.
 Quoting: phoomp


ORION IS IN THE CORRECT PLACE....YES....

THE LIGHT FROM THE ORION CONSTELLATION IS BENDING
DUE TO AN EXTRA-SOLAR BODY IN THE IMMEDIATE
SOLAR SYSTEM.
WHAT OP HAS FOUND IS A HUGE HUGE DISCOVERY AND
PROOF THAT THERE IS "SOMETHING OUT THERE" DISRUPTING
THE NORMAL IN-BOUND LIGHT FROM THE CONSTELLATIONS!!
wow!
cHEERS!
sk
(sORRY--TROUBLE WITH MY KEYBOARD!)


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Well, this is the third thread about orion in the wrong place since 2007.

Now, I am much more intrigued to know if Astromut confirmed the 6 arcseconds dicrepancy of polaris position he observed wrt where it should had been.

Whoever claims that a constellation if off its place, should compare positions on the same date on consecutive years. Anything else is just plain ignorance about how the apparent movement of sky objects works.
 Quoting: Red Hot Chilean Pepe


(red txt) and the sideway moon started to appear with minor frequency from 2007 as well. Is it only a coincidence that? I guess not.

Anyway what astroturd has wrote/write, its irrelevant, wonder why you mention him pretty much and know how many thread about the stuff are there.

Are you shilling?


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 Quoting: DUCM900

...
Here is a thread that is posted TODAY 12-03-12
concerning a GLP member doing excellent analysis
on an "EXTRA-SOLAR BODY" having an influence on
EARTHQUAKES.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND HOW THE GRAVITATION/MAGNETICS
can bend light? If there is an EXTRA-SOLAR BODY
affecting our geomagnetics TO THE POINT TO CAUSE
8.0 pt+ earthquakes, the same body CAN AFFECT
THE LIGHT we see in the night sky from the stars--
and ESPECIALLY the larger constellations.
The LIGHT which normally would filter through and
show ORION over the back of the trailer--which OP
swears he has seen for 10 years--COULD BE BENDING
with the gravitation effects of the 'EXTRA-SOLAR
BODY' and bounce the light a number of degrees
where he NOW SEES ORION OVER THE MOUNTAINS.
...
 Quoting: SilentlyKnowing

 Quoting: Hydra

You are right: Gravity bends light - it's called "gravitational lens".

What do you need for a gravitational lens?
A mass millions to billions the mass of our sun - also called a black hole.

So you tell us, we have a black hole in our solarsystem?

Either LOL
Or get in the tomato plants and DOOM ON.

I tend to 1rof1 1rof1 1rof1


.

Put your tomatoe plant where your mouth is, dude.
You just PROVE your ignorance of basic astronomy
by telling anyone that: "You need a BLACK HOLE
to bend light."
Do you know that NASA has sent investigative units
out into space JUST BECAUSE THEY NOTICE THE LIGHT
IS BENT?
What is called "Perturbations" of the outer planets
of Pluto and Uranus--perturbations which was DISCOVERED
by the astronomers studying their LIGHT emmissions,
by the way--caused NASA to send out a unit to try
to explain this BENDING OF LIGHT.
What was found was the fact that a massive body--
NOT a blackhole--was having a pulling effect on our
outer solar sytem.
THE REST IS HISTORY....now we are dealing with what
WAS OUTSIDE THE HELIOSPHERE coming into the inner
solar system.
It is causing great earth changes and it is BENDING
LIGHT of certain constellations as it passes between
the earth and the normal line-of-sight for the light
of the constellation. THAT CONSTELLATION IS ORION.
The ENTIRE SKY is NOT changing...
The STARS around ORION and elsewhere are NOT changing.
THE LIGHT is changing.
Someone is TRYING TO GET YOUR DUMBASS ATTENTION!
LOOK AT THIS OLD HYROGRLYPHIC FROM THE
REIGN OF PHAROAH AKENANTON (King Tut's father)
...follow down the lines of the rays coming from
the CONSTELLATION (no, it's NOT the sun) ORION.
...SEE those little bends in the end of the thread?
That is LIGHT BENDING. It's right there!
Geeze!
Cheers!
SK

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...AND THIS...
There was a HUGE article on YAHOO NEWS that
the "Northern Lights" were moving...
Here is some commentary on BENDING LIGHT having
to do with the Yahoo News article
:

Northern Lights Move South and Yahoo misleads again, blames the Sun
Posted by Beenthdonedat on August 5, 2010 at 5:55pm
View Blog.

Usually, the Northern Lights can only be seen by
folks who live far to the north.
But this week, the Aurora Borealis is making an
appearance in lower Canada, some of the United States, Norway and other countries around the globe.
[EDIT SK 12/08/12...Now in 2012 there are reports
of "Northern Lights" all the way down into Colorado!]

[link to www.flickr.com]

[link to news.yahoo.com]

BLOG POSTER COMMENT:
Comment by Preston Birch on August 5, 2010 at 8:01pm ZT:
The Auroras, as we have stated, are NOT
magnetic at all but light rays bent by gravity.

This has been much ridiculed as it does not fit into
the current human way of thinking.

Light bends when going through water, [EDIT:SK--
NO BLACK HOLES IN WATER, BY THE WAY! lol!]
bends in a prism, but somehow the idea of light
bending in other circumstances is rediculous.
The fact that mankind is even aware of a light
spectrum is BECAUSE light bends.


The rainbow, the prism, and suddenly there is a light spectrum. Red light bends toward gravity pulls, as can
be seen by the just rising or just setting sun, which BROADEN and ENLARGE.
Light that is heading out into space, missing Earth altogether, is bent back DOWN toward the earth to
arrive at the eye of the beholder.

It arrives NOT where it would have if moving straight, but is bend BACK so is coming in from the sides, thus the fat sun.
This also explains the red sunset and sunrise, as red
light waves bend more than others.
Like magnetism, gravity flows are NOT universal about a body, but have a field.
This is not widely noted, as it is slight, but has
been noted recently in the discovery by probes that the Earth's middle would seem to be fatter, gravity wise, though no shape has changed.
This hit the scientific news, a fact reported by the
probes which no human scientist had any explanation
for.
It was a change in the core of the Earth, which
parts of the core are moving, and in what directions,
and this motion creating disruptions in the gravity
FIELD around the Earth.
This is all to say that the Auraus moving toward
the Equator, should not be surprising, as the gravity
flow back TOWARD the Equator are obviously increasing.
The field has switched, more pull in at the Equator,
so the light bending TOWARD the gravity flow is seen
more toward the Equator.

OP IS SEEING "Bent light"!
Cheers!
SK


hf
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"NASA sent out an investigative unit" ???

What, exactly, was this "investigative unit", and where are you suggesting it was sent to?
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> Insert bullshit here <
 Quoting: SilentlyKnowing

Put your tomatoe plant where your mouth is, dude.

> Insert the rest of the bullshit here <
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> Insert bullshit here <
 Quoting: SilentlyKnowing


Ad hominem attack is the best you can do?

This is a thread about the alleged displacement of the Orion constellation.

Seems you forgot it so let me say it in another way:
To displace the light of the Orion constallation by the amount the video guy tells us, you need the mass of a black hole.
And as you say, such a thing is in the middle of our solar system.

Btw: this effect would destroy the visual appearance of the Orion constellation beyond recognition.


What you have is superficial knowledge of some things and unfortunately you mix it up in a crazy way and come to even more crazy conclusions.

What you do is mixing shit and piddle and sell it as face moisturizer.


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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

aseindia
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THIS IS TRUE...(YES, I agree with your outrage at
the "fat Hillbilly" reference being REALLY VILE!)
And...yes, you can reference where ORION is located
and I am sure that the OP has probably already done
that.
THIS DOES NOT RING TRUE IF THE PROBLEM THE OP
IS DEALING WITH IS: The light in the sky above the
area of the Earth where OP lives is BEING DISTORTED
and bent by an "extra-solar" body. It is what some
of us would consider "A SIGN"--A WARNING--that is
being given NOT ABOUT ORION...BUT ABOUT A LARGE
APRROACHING EXTRA-SOLAR BODY BIG ENOUGH TO BEND
LIGHT!!
In my book, what OP is seeing is telling us:
"I'M HERE....GET READY!" and how wonderful to
bend the light of ORION when ORION is one of the
longest-running SACRED CONSTELLATIONS on the planet!
Cheers!
SK


hf
 Quoting: SilentlyKnowing

Oh, I'm sure we could easily fabricate at least another dozen science fiction explanations for why Orion appears to be in a different place to him:

- he's been transported to another dimension with an Earth almost identical to ours, but Orion is in a different position, and is communicating to us through the Interdimensionalnet.

- his mind has been uploaded to The Net, and Orion is The Glitch

- his trailer has been moved by Aliens

- the stars that make up Orion move to new locations, but only when he's looking at them

...
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Check out that one thead as well --> Thread: Sun Almost Rising In The SOUTH!




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Check out that one thead as well --> Thread: Sun Almost Rising In The SOUTH!




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It's almost winter. What the hell do you expect.....
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Just to be clear trailer dude doesn't say Orion has moved relative to the position of other stars but in relation to where he is used to seeing it from his particular vantage point.
 Quoting: Raymantheheretic


Yeah....he isn't talking about the rest of the stellar
pattern, here. He is talking about starlight to ground.
There isn't any way to disprove by the stellarium
program or from someone's telescope in a different
part of the country! lol!
The only way to figure it out is to have records of
the position of ORION AT THAT LOCATION over the trailer
partk and the NEW location--then compare that.
I THINK IT'S TIME FOR FOX MOULDER...DON'T YOU GUYS?
Anyone have David's phone number?
Cheers!
SK


Remember my comment about the light bending because
of an extra solar-body--If it is due to light
bending, then none of these telescope checks will work!
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Check out that one thead as well --> Thread: Sun Almost Rising In The SOUTH!




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It's almost winter. What the hell do you expect.....
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Just to be clear trailer dude doesn't say Orion has moved relative to the position of other stars but in relation to where he is used to seeing it from his particular vantage point.
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Yeah....he isn't talking about the rest of the stellar
pattern, here. He is talking about starlight to ground.
There isn't any way to disprove by the stellarium
program or from someone's telescope in a different
part of the country! lol!
The only way to figure it out is to have records of
the position of ORION AT THAT LOCATION over the trailer
partk and the NEW location--then compare that.
I THINK IT'S TIME FOR FOX MOULDER...DON'T YOU GUYS?
Anyone have David's phone number?
Cheers!
SK


Remember my comment about the light bending because
of an extra solar-body--If it is due to light
bending, then none of these telescope checks will work!
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Just to be clear trailer dude doesn't say Orion has moved relative to the position of other stars but in relation to where he is used to seeing it from his particular vantage point.
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Yeah....he isn't talking about the rest of the stellar
pattern, here. He is talking about starlight to ground.
There isn't any way to disprove by the stellarium
program or from someone's telescope in a different
part of the country! lol!
The only way to figure it out is to have records of
the position of ORION AT THAT LOCATION over the trailer
partk and the NEW location--then compare that.
I THINK IT'S TIME FOR FOX MOULDER...DON'T YOU GUYS?
Anyone have David's phone number?
Cheers!
SK


Remember my comment about the light bending because
of an extra solar-body--If it is due to light
bending, then none of these telescope checks will work!
 Quoting: SilentlyKnowing

So, basically, we're talking about:
- a object with enough gravitational force that it can bend the light from the stars that make up Orion enough that it shifts the apparent location of Orion
- a gravitational force that bends light in a uniform fashion, so as to not distort the shape of Orion
- a gravitational force that is only visible from Iwillbedurnd's location, meaning less than a few thousand feet up - any higher and the effect would begin to be visible to other people on the planet
- a gravitational force that moves across the sky, fixed between Orion and Iwillbedurnd's location. Otherwise, Iwillbedurnd would be reporting that Orion is *jumping* across the sky as it moves from one side of the gravitational lens to the other.
- a gravitational force that moves across the sky with Orion and is only visible to Iwillbedurnd - meaning that it can only be a few *hundred* feet up and moves back across the sky at the end of the evening, otherwise the effect would be visible to other people on the planet.
- an object with enough mass to bend light, but isn't visible, such as a micro-blackhole or something with a cloaking device.
- a gravitational force that can do all of the above, and yet not rip our planet to shreds due to it's strength and proximity.

I think the *far* more likely explanation is that aliens moved his tailer.

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Hmm fat hillibilly astronomer, ill go with crazy thanks
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On what sort of proof?

Are you qualified to prove him wrong?

Just asking.....................................

And thanks for the "fat" reference. I'm fat and I resetn that.

Very much. Dumb-ass retard Illuminati sex-slave idiot fuck.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 777204

This guy hasn't presented anything TO prove wrong. All he's done is point at one part of the daytime sky, say "Orion used to be there", point at another part of the daytime sky, say "now Orion is there", and conclude that Orion has moved.

If he had *any* understanding of astronomy, he should be able to easily provide the necessary positional notation (declination, ascension, etc) of the new location. *That* is something that could be verified or disproven.

As it is, Orion's position in the sky is well documented, even in sources that "They" can't modify; you should be able to go to any library and check out a 10-15 year old sky atlas that will provide Orion's positional notation and verify for yourself that Orion is where it always has been.
 Quoting: phoomp


THIS IS TRUE...(YES, I agree with your outrage at
the "fat Hillbilly" reference being REALLY VILE!)
And...yes, you can reference where ORION is located
and I am sure that the OP has probably already done
that.
THIS DOES NOT RING TRUE IF THE PROBLEM THE OP
IS DEALING WITH IS: The light in the sky above the
area of the Earth where OP lives is BEING DISTORTED
and bent by an "extra-solar" body. It is what some
of us would consider "A SIGN"--A WARNING--that is
being given NOT ABOUT ORION...BUT ABOUT A LARGE
APRROACHING EXTRA-SOLAR BODY BIG ENOUGH TO BEND
LIGHT!!

In my book, what OP is seeing is telling us:
"I'M HERE....GET READY!" and how wonderful to
bend the light of ORION when ORION is one of the
longest-running SACRED CONSTELLATIONS on the planet!
Cheers!
SK


hf
 Quoting: SilentlyKnowing


Do you know what the term "extra-solar" means? Do you have any idea how massive a body has to be to bend light significantly? Do you know ANY real science which could back up this nonsense you posted?
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you're arguing with mentally ill people

more and more I'm realizing this place is mainly a waste of time...
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Good grief !!!!

You people amaze me.

Orion is exactly where it is supposed to be.
The moon is exactly where it is supposed to be.
The sun is exactly where it is supposed to be.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18012248


When did you actually check?

How did you check?

What margin of error are you working with?

What equipment are you using?

Where did you source the data needed to verify?



Did you check at all or are you just assuming?
 Quoting: --Voltaic--


Yeah! I think this A hole is just assuming.
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Good grief !!!!

You people amaze me.

Orion is exactly where it is supposed to be.
The moon is exactly where it is supposed to be.
The sun is exactly where it is supposed to be.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18012248


When did you actually check?

How did you check?

What margin of error are you working with?

What equipment are you using?

Where did you source the data needed to verify?



Did you check at all or are you just assuming?
 Quoting: --Voltaic--

Sadly, that works both ways.

- When did you or Iwillbedurnd check to verify that Orion *isn't* in the right place? (Iwillbedurnd doesn't provide any dates for his observations)

- How did you or Iwillbedurnd check this?

- What margin of error are you or Iwillbedurnd working with? (it would appear that Iwillbedurnd's margin of error is the length of his trailer, years of undocumented observations, and the imprecise swing of his video camera during the day ("Orion used to be there and now it's there")

- What equipment are you and Iwillbedurnd using? (it would appear that Iwillbedurnd's tool for astronomical observation is his trailer)

- Where did you source the data needed to verify? (Iwillbedurnd's source of verification appears to be years of undocumented observations)

Did *you* check Iwillbedurnd's assertions, or are you just assuming that he is right?

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Good grief !!!!

You people amaze me.

Orion is exactly where it is supposed to be.
The moon is exactly where it is supposed to be.
The sun is exactly where it is supposed to be.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18012248

When did you actually check?
How did you check?
What margin of error are you working with?
What equipment are you using?
Where did you source the data needed to verify?

Did you check at all or are you just assuming?
 Quoting: --Voltaic--

Yeah! I think this A hole is just assuming.
 Quoting: Captaininyourface 29589208


When did you actually check?
 Quoting: --Voltaic--

Dec. 6, 2012, ca. 21:00 - Dec. 7, 2012, ca 01:30 UTC - Trapez Stars in the Orion Nebula, M43, Beteigeuze, Rigel and Moon

How did you check?
 Quoting: --Voltaic--

RA/DEC coordinates

What margin of error are you working with?
 Quoting: --Voltaic--

Max +/- 1 arcmin

What equipment are you using?
 Quoting: --Voltaic--

Meade LX5 10" SC on a stationary polar aligned mount.
Polar aligned since years without any correction.



Where did you source the data needed to verify?
 Quoting: --Voltaic--

Newcomb-Engelmann, Populäre Astronomie, Sechste Auflage, 1921


Did you check at all or are you just assuming?
 Quoting: --Voltaic--

See above.

orion2


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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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Good grief !!!!

You people amaze me.

Orion is exactly where it is supposed to be.
The moon is exactly where it is supposed to be.
The sun is exactly where it is supposed to be.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18012248

When did you actually check?
How did you check?
What margin of error are you working with?
What equipment are you using?
Where did you source the data needed to verify?

Did you check at all or are you just assuming?
 Quoting: --Voltaic--

Yeah! I think this A hole is just assuming.
 Quoting: Captaininyourface 29589208


When did you actually check?
 Quoting: --Voltaic--

Dec. 6, 2012, ca. 21:00 - Dec. 7, 2012, ca 01:30 UTC - Trapez Stars in the Orion Nebula, M43, Beteigeuze, Rigel and Moon

How did you check?
 Quoting: --Voltaic--

RA/DEC coordinates

What margin of error are you working with?
 Quoting: --Voltaic--

Max +/- 1 arcmin

What equipment are you using?
 Quoting: --Voltaic--

Meade LX5 10" SC on a stationary polar aligned mount.
Polar aligned since years without any correction.



Where did you source the data needed to verify?
 Quoting: --Voltaic--

Newcomb-Engelmann, Populäre Astronomie, Sechste Auflage, 1921


Did you check at all or are you just assuming?
 Quoting: --Voltaic--

See above.

orion2


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That is an excellent shot!
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REVIEW OF INUIT(CANADIAN ESKIMO) DOCUMENTARY, NOTE WHERE IT REFERS TO THEIR CONTENTION THAT THE SUN "APPEARS" TO RISE IN A DIFFERENT POSITION FROM THE PAST. [link to planetsave.com]
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IT'S MORE THAT THE EARTH ITSELF IS SLIPPING, CHANGING ITS POSITION. H.A.A.R.P. IS MESSING WITH THE FORCES THAT CONTROL THE EARTHS' AXIS, ROTATION, ORBIT ETC.
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THE INUIT DOCUMENTARY IS GONE FROM EVERY LOCATION I'VE CHECKED. THIS IS ONE OF THE RECENT THREADS. Thread: A WARNING from Inuit People: Sun Wrong, Stars Wrong, Earth Tilting On Axis GO TO ADV. SEARCH AT TOP RIGHT OF PAGE AND CLICK ON IT, THEN CLICK SEARCH BY SUBJECT AND SET SEARCH LENGTH BACK ABOUT THREE YEARS TO PRESENT AND PUT INUIT IN SUBJECT BOX.

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