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Orion is in the Wrong Place!!!

 
SilentlyKnowing

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THIS IS MY OBSERVATION ABOUT THIS THREAD:

1. THERE ARE TWO ISSUES HERE: People genuinely
concerned about Earth Changes wanting to be
"SERVICE TO OTHERS" and Warn their neighbors
about something they have noticed--WHETHER THEY
ARE SCIENTISTS IS BESIDE THE POINT!
....This Forum is NOT "National Science Academy
of Godlikeproductions *(NSAGLP)!!

2. THE POSTERS HERE WHO ARE THE MOST AGGRESSIVE
ARE NOT....NOT...interested in astronomy or
earth changes nor even "SERVICE TO OTHERS"
they are actually engaging in a CLASS WAR
WITH THE ORION-OUT-OF-PLACE AS A COVER!
You constantly provide VILE NAMES and paint
this person who HAPPENS TO LIVE IN A TRAILER
COURT and wants to give us a "heads-up"
as a "retard!"

3. THE PEOPLE WHO ARE CURIOUS ABOUT OP'S OBSERVATION
THAT HE BELIEVES ORION IS "IN THE WRONG PLACE"
only want information....they are NOT CONCERNED
ABOUT HIS FINANCES OR WHETHER HE MEETS THE
STANDARD YOU ARE SETTING FOR HIM AS 'BEING
IN YOUR CLASS'.....

I AM REALLY SICK OF THE POSTERS ON GLP WHO USE
THREAD TOPICS--LIKE THIS ONE FOR EXAMPLE- AS A COVER TO SPREAD THEIR CLASS HATRED AND INSULTS!

SHAME ON YOU!

Guys, whenever something like this is claimed, you look like an idiot. If the Earth or anything major in the sky was out of place, THOUSANDS of people would know about it, professional and amateur astronomers. Not just a handful of bedroom ridden retards on GLP
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REVIEW OF INUIT(CANADIAN ESKIMO) DOCUMENTARY, NOTE WHERE IT REFERS TO THEIR CONTENTION THAT THE SUN "APPEARS" TO RISE IN A DIFFERENT POSITION FROM THE PAST. [link to planetsave.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17346821

IT'S MORE THAT THE EARTH ITSELF IS SLIPPING, CHANGING ITS POSITION. H.A.A.R.P. IS MESSING WITH THE FORCES THAT CONTROL THE EARTHS' AXIS, ROTATION, ORBIT ETC.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17346821

THE INUIT DOCUMENTARY IS GONE FROM EVERY LOCATION I'VE CHECKED. THIS IS ONE OF THE RECENT THREADS. Thread: A WARNING from Inuit People: Sun Wrong, Stars Wrong, Earth Tilting On Axis GO TO ADV. SEARCH AT TOP RIGHT OF PAGE AND CLICK ON IT, THEN CLICK SEARCH BY SUBJECT AND SET SEARCH LENGTH BACK ABOUT THREE YEARS TO PRESENT AND PUT INUIT IN SUBJECT BOX.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17346821

And as usually the Poleshit- and Nibiru-Tards are cherry picking the three words in the article, that fit their believe.

The headline of the original article (The Globe and Mail, Oct. 19, 2010):
"New documentary recounts bizarre climate changes seen by Inuit elders"

And the part of the article the Poleshit- and Nibiru-Tards don't like:
"The scientific explanation is that the warming Arctic air is causing temperature inversions, which in turn cause the light of the sunset to refract so that the sun appears to be setting a few kilometres off-kilter. "There is so much garbage in the air, it's refraction that's causing our elders to think our world has tilted," Kunuk [the producer of the documentary] says."


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Edit:
Forgot the link to the article: [link to www.theglobeandmail.com]


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Last Edited by Hydra on 12/11/2012 11:00 AM
If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

aseindia
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HYDRA THE DOCUMENTARY WAS MADE BY THE INUIT THEMSELVES AND THEY NOTICE THE PHYSICAL CHANGES IN SUN STARS. COMPASSES DON'T WORK WELL THAT FAR NORTH THEY USED THE STARS FOR DIRECTION FINDING IN THE POLAR NIGHT WHICH LASTS FOR MONTHS. IF YOU HAD A NIGHT THAT LASTED FOR MONTHS LIKE THEM YOU'D KNOW TO THE MILLIMETER WHERE TO LOOK FOR IT'S RISING.
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THIS IS MY OBSERVATION ABOUT THIS THREAD:

1. THERE ARE TWO ISSUES HERE: People genuinely
concerned about Earth Changes wanting to be
"SERVICE TO OTHERS" and Warn their neighbors
about something they have noticed--WHETHER THEY
ARE SCIENTISTS IS BESIDE THE POINT!
....This Forum is NOT "National Science Academy
of Godlikeproductions *(NSAGLP)!!

2. THE POSTERS HERE WHO ARE THE MOST AGGRESSIVE
ARE NOT....NOT...interested in astronomy or
earth changes nor even "SERVICE TO OTHERS"
they are actually engaging in a CLASS WAR
WITH THE ORION-OUT-OF-PLACE AS A COVER!
You constantly provide VILE NAMES and paint
this person who HAPPENS TO LIVE IN A TRAILER
COURT and wants to give us a "heads-up"
as a "retard!"

3. THE PEOPLE WHO ARE CURIOUS ABOUT OP'S OBSERVATION
THAT HE BELIEVES ORION IS "IN THE WRONG PLACE"
only want information....they are NOT CONCERNED
ABOUT HIS FINANCES OR WHETHER HE MEETS THE
STANDARD YOU ARE SETTING FOR HIM AS 'BEING
IN YOUR CLASS'.....

I AM REALLY SICK OF THE POSTERS ON GLP WHO USE
THREAD TOPICS--LIKE THIS ONE FOR EXAMPLE- AS A COVER TO SPREAD THEIR CLASS HATRED AND INSULTS!

SHAME ON YOU!

 Quoting: SilentlyKnowing


applauseapplausehugshicheerapplausehugs

Good on you!!!!!
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REVIEW OF INUIT(CANADIAN ESKIMO) DOCUMENTARY, NOTE WHERE IT REFERS TO THEIR CONTENTION THAT THE SUN "APPEARS" TO RISE IN A DIFFERENT POSITION FROM THE PAST. [link to planetsave.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17346821


What makes you think that a couple of Inuit guys who live in modern housing and hunt with snowmobiles know any better than any other jock?
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HYDRA THE DOCUMENTARY WAS MADE BY THE INUIT THEMSELVES AND THEY NOTICE THE PHYSICAL CHANGES IN SUN STARS. COMPASSES DON'T WORK WELL THAT FAR NORTH THEY USED THE STARS FOR DIRECTION FINDING IN THE POLAR NIGHT WHICH LASTS FOR MONTHS. IF YOU HAD A NIGHT THAT LASTED FOR MONTHS LIKE THEM YOU'D KNOW TO THE MILLIMETER WHERE TO LOOK FOR IT'S RISING.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17346821


Nice fantasy, but if the sun and stars are significantly out of place, why don't thousands of astronomers agree?
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THIS IS MY OBSERVATION ABOUT THIS THREAD:

1. THERE ARE TWO ISSUES HERE: People genuinely
concerned about Earth Changes wanting to be
"SERVICE TO OTHERS" and Warn their neighbors
about something they have noticed--WHETHER THEY
ARE SCIENTISTS IS BESIDE THE POINT!
....This Forum is NOT "National Science Academy
of Godlikeproductions *(NSAGLP)!!

2. THE POSTERS HERE WHO ARE THE MOST AGGRESSIVE
ARE NOT....NOT...interested in astronomy or
earth changes nor even "SERVICE TO OTHERS"
they are actually engaging in a CLASS WAR
WITH THE ORION-OUT-OF-PLACE AS A COVER!
You constantly provide VILE NAMES and paint
this person who HAPPENS TO LIVE IN A TRAILER
COURT and wants to give us a "heads-up"
as a "retard!"

3. THE PEOPLE WHO ARE CURIOUS ABOUT OP'S OBSERVATION
THAT HE BELIEVES ORION IS "IN THE WRONG PLACE"
only want information....they are NOT CONCERNED
ABOUT HIS FINANCES OR WHETHER HE MEETS THE
STANDARD YOU ARE SETTING FOR HIM AS 'BEING
IN YOUR CLASS'.....

I AM REALLY SICK OF THE POSTERS ON GLP WHO USE
THREAD TOPICS--LIKE THIS ONE FOR EXAMPLE- AS A COVER TO SPREAD THEIR CLASS HATRED AND INSULTS!

SHAME ON YOU!

Guys, whenever something like this is claimed, you look like an idiot. If the Earth or anything major in the sky was out of place, THOUSANDS of people would know about it, professional and amateur astronomers. Not just a handful of bedroom ridden retards on GLP
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 Quoting: SilentlyKnowing

There are also those of us who are interested in LEGITIMATE claims of "Earth change". "Legitimate" for me means, at least some attempt to present some verifiable evidence. The "Orion is in the wrong place" video presents zero evidence whatsoever. All we have is the belief of the speaker.

I'm fully convinced that he believes what he's telling us; I just see zero evidence to suggest that what he believes he's seeing is correct.
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Orion (the whole constellation of stars) is in the wrong place, but the rest of the sky is correctly in position?

Okay. Who the h*** is moving around Orion?!?!?!?!?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28390136


Last Night at 10:30pm obviously there were two bulls up in the sky. I had to do a double take to see which one was which. Another thing also it was Clear as a bell out and the really bright star would dim and then go bright and then dim and then go bright and on and on. Watched for about half an hour and then things settled down. There were no clouds. None. Their was no high atmospheric clouds either to account for the brightening or the diming. It was very strange.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24265006


How long was it pausing in between "cycles"? I've off and on seen the same thing near Orion starting in February last year. Every time it lasted almost an hour as well and flashed in an interval of about 5 minutes. Every time it was in the SE sky roughly 55 degrees altitude. This is crazy! I've been browsing UFO reports lately and things very similar to what you described have been increasing in the last few months.
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MENOW DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY ALMOST ALL ASTRONOMY IS SUPPORTED BY GOVERNMENT. PEOPLE WILL LIE TO SUPPORT THEIR INCOME IF NECESSARY.
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Another WITNESS FOUR AND A HALF YEARS AGO. Thread: << ORION IS IN THE "WRONG" PLACE!! >>
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AND STILL ANOTHER WITNESS ALMOST TWO YEARS AGO. Thread: the constellation ORION is in the wrong place!
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JANUARY 13, 2011-JANUARY 10, 2007 AND THIS THREAD DATED DECEMBER 5,2012. ON A SEASONAL BASIS THE THREE DIFFERENT THREADS NOTICED IT IN DECEMBER-JANUARY.
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HYDRA THE DOCUMENTARY WAS MADE BY THE INUIT THEMSELVES AND THEY NOTICE THE PHYSICAL CHANGES IN SUN STARS. COMPASSES DON'T WORK WELL THAT FAR NORTH THEY USED THE STARS FOR DIRECTION FINDING IN THE POLAR NIGHT WHICH LASTS FOR MONTHS. IF YOU HAD A NIGHT THAT LASTED FOR MONTHS LIKE THEM YOU'D KNOW TO THE MILLIMETER WHERE TO LOOK FOR IT'S RISING.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17346821

Seems you didn't get it - the part of the article I quoted was from the producer, Kunuk an Inuit, stating that the elders are wrong.

Thus let me quote it again:

"The scientific explanation is that the warming Arctic air is causing temperature inversions, which in turn cause the light of the sunset to refract so that the sun appears to be setting a few kilometres off-kilter. "There is so much garbage in the air, it's refraction that's causing our elders to think our world has tilted," Kunuk [the producer of the documentary] says."

Next time read the complete article you refer to.


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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

aseindia
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THIS IS MY OBSERVATION ABOUT THIS THREAD:

1. THERE ARE TWO ISSUES HERE: People genuinely
concerned about Earth Changes wanting to be
"SERVICE TO OTHERS" and Warn their neighbors
about something they have noticed--WHETHER THEY
ARE SCIENTISTS IS BESIDE THE POINT!
....This Forum is NOT "National Science Academy
of Godlikeproductions *(NSAGLP)!!

2. THE POSTERS HERE WHO ARE THE MOST AGGRESSIVE
ARE NOT....NOT...interested in astronomy or
earth changes nor even "SERVICE TO OTHERS"
they are actually engaging in a CLASS WAR
WITH THE ORION-OUT-OF-PLACE AS A COVER!
You constantly provide VILE NAMES and paint
this person who HAPPENS TO LIVE IN A TRAILER
COURT and wants to give us a "heads-up"
as a "retard!"

3. THE PEOPLE WHO ARE CURIOUS ABOUT OP'S OBSERVATION
THAT HE BELIEVES ORION IS "IN THE WRONG PLACE"
only want information....they are NOT CONCERNED
ABOUT HIS FINANCES OR WHETHER HE MEETS THE
STANDARD YOU ARE SETTING FOR HIM AS 'BEING
IN YOUR CLASS'.....

I AM REALLY SICK OF THE POSTERS ON GLP WHO USE
THREAD TOPICS--LIKE THIS ONE FOR EXAMPLE- AS A COVER TO SPREAD THEIR CLASS HATRED AND INSULTS!

SHAME ON YOU!

Guys, whenever something like this is claimed, you look like an idiot. If the Earth or anything major in the sky was out of place, THOUSANDS of people would know about it, professional and amateur astronomers. Not just a handful of bedroom ridden retards on GLP
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 Quoting: SilentlyKnowing


These people are called CLASSISTS. Same type of discrimination as a RACIST or SEXIST.

So I say, anyone involved in this type of class warfare is equally a racist and a sexist, by definition of discrimination.
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HYDRA THE DOCUMENTARY WAS MADE BY THE INUIT THEMSELVES AND THEY NOTICE THE PHYSICAL CHANGES IN SUN STARS. COMPASSES DON'T WORK WELL THAT FAR NORTH THEY USED THE STARS FOR DIRECTION FINDING IN THE POLAR NIGHT WHICH LASTS FOR MONTHS. IF YOU HAD A NIGHT THAT LASTED FOR MONTHS LIKE THEM YOU'D KNOW TO THE MILLIMETER WHERE TO LOOK FOR IT'S RISING.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17346821

Seems you didn't get it - the part of the article I quoted was from the producer, Kunuk an Inuit, stating that the elders are wrong.

Thus let me quote it again:

"The scientific explanation is that the warming Arctic air is causing temperature inversions, which in turn cause the light of the sunset to refract so that the sun appears to be setting a few kilometres off-kilter. "There is so much garbage in the air, it's refraction that's causing our elders to think our world has tilted," Kunuk [the producer of the documentary] says."

Next time read the complete article you refer to.


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 Quoting: Hydra


That reason they provide is complete BS!

Otherwise we would observe shadows dancing around the ground as a cold front moves through an area.

The fact is, air mass can not bend light that much. The MOST you will see is what ground based telescopes have to deal with.

Twinkle twinkle little star, if their excuse was proper, the stars would dance around the sky instead of twinkle.



That change in rise is accurate and the media (conveniently owned by 1 company as of recently) is covering it up.

Ask why ALL news anchors do not go out in the field anymore.
Do your absolute best and the rest is fate.
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HYDRA YOU DON'T GET IT. ELDERS MEANS OLD AS IN AGE. I'M OLD IN MY LIFETIME THE ESKIMO HAS GONE FROM LIVING HIS ANCIENT LIFESTYLE EXCEPT FOR GUNS AND METAL KNIVES ETC.TO WHERE HE IS NOW. THE OLD ESKIMOS HAD WAYS OF KNOWING WHEN THE SUN WOULD SHOW AND FINDING HIS WAY IN THE POLAR NIGHT BY STARS. THE EARTH CHANGES POSITION STARS DON'T SHOW DIRECTION OR TIME ANYMORE. THE INUIT ARE ON THE GOVERNMENT DOLE THEREFORE THEY SHUT UP WHEN TOLD TO DO SO. Thread: WARNING: SOLAR DATA PAGE COMPLETELY CENSORED,DATA ON OTHER SOURCES BEING FABRICATED!
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HYDRA YOU DON'T GET IT. ELDERS MEANS OLD AS IN AGE. I'M OLD IN MY LIFETIME THE ESKIMO HAS GONE FROM LIVING HIS ANCIENT LIFESTYLE EXCEPT FOR GUNS AND METAL KNIVES ETC.TO WHERE HE IS NOW. THE OLD ESKIMOS HAD WAYS OF KNOWING WHEN THE SUN WOULD SHOW AND FINDING HIS WAY IN THE POLAR NIGHT BY STARS. THE EARTH CHANGES POSITION STARS DON'T SHOW DIRECTION OR TIME ANYMORE. THE INUIT ARE ON THE GOVERNMENT DOLE THEREFORE THEY SHUT UP WHEN TOLD TO DO SO. Thread: WARNING: SOLAR DATA PAGE COMPLETELY CENSORED,DATA ON OTHER SOURCES BEING FABRICATED!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17346821


You're going to cite Anonymous Astrophysicist (otherwise known as IDW) as a source?

You may want to reconsider...
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HYDRA THE DOCUMENTARY WAS MADE BY THE INUIT THEMSELVES AND THEY NOTICE THE PHYSICAL CHANGES IN SUN STARS. COMPASSES DON'T WORK WELL THAT FAR NORTH THEY USED THE STARS FOR DIRECTION FINDING IN THE POLAR NIGHT WHICH LASTS FOR MONTHS. IF YOU HAD A NIGHT THAT LASTED FOR MONTHS LIKE THEM YOU'D KNOW TO THE MILLIMETER WHERE TO LOOK FOR IT'S RISING.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17346821

Seems you didn't get it - the part of the article I quoted was from the producer, Kunuk an Inuit, stating that the elders are wrong.

Thus let me quote it again:

"The scientific explanation is that the warming Arctic air is causing temperature inversions, which in turn cause the light of the sunset to refract so that the sun appears to be setting a few kilometres off-kilter. "There is so much garbage in the air, it's refraction that's causing our elders to think our world has tilted," Kunuk [the producer of the documentary] says."

Next time read the complete article you refer to.
 Quoting: Hydra


That reason they provide is complete BS!

Otherwise we would observe shadows dancing around the ground as a cold front moves through an area.

The fact is, air mass can not bend light that much. The MOST you will see is what ground based telescopes have to deal with.

Twinkle twinkle little star, if their excuse was proper, the stars would dance around the sky instead of twinkle.


That change in rise is accurate and the media (conveniently owned by 1 company as of recently) is covering it up.

Ask why ALL news anchors do not go out in the field anymore.
 Quoting: --Voltaic--

It's not mass that bends the light in this case - it's atmospheric refraction close to the horizon - as every astronomer knows.

Didn't know, that the Inuit also stated that the Sun was dancing around.

The change of rise is not accurate - this would imply a tilt of Earth axis.
And Earth axis did not tilt as proven.


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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

aseindia
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I'm fully convinced that he believes what he's telling us; I just see zero evidence to suggest that what he believes he's seeing is correct.
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I have seen where he is going around Youboob, finding "confirmation" of his observations from other scientific illiterates. Sigh...
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7444 ARE YOU GOING TO BELIEVE WHAT YOUR LYING EYES TELL YOU OR WHAT A DR. OF ASTROPHYSICS TELLS YOU FROM HIS ARMCHAIR THAT YOUU SAW? IT'S YOUR CHOICE I QUIT.
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MENOW DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY ALMOST ALL ASTRONOMY IS SUPPORTED BY GOVERNMENT. PEOPLE WILL LIE TO SUPPORT THEIR INCOME IF NECESSARY.
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That's ridiculous. Please describe how any number of astronomers are being kept from seeing what is in the sky and/or talking about it. Please be specific.
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AND STILL ANOTHER WITNESS ALMOST TWO YEARS AGO. Thread: the constellation ORION is in the wrong place!
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Let's see.... a few scientific illiterates against tens of thousands of experienced astronomers... Gee... I wonder who is right?
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7444 ARE YOU GOING TO BELIEVE WHAT YOUR LYING EYES TELL YOU OR WHAT A DR. OF ASTROPHYSICS TELLS YOU FROM HIS ARMCHAIR THAT YOUU SAW? IT'S YOUR CHOICE I QUIT.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17346821

I believe what my eyes and the RA/DEC circles of my telescope show me: No sign of a pole shift.

Thread: Orion is in the Wrong Place!!! (Page 16)


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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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That reason they provide is complete BS!

Otherwise we would observe shadows dancing around the ground as a cold front moves through an area.

The fact is, air mass can not bend light that much. The MOST you will see is what ground based telescopes have to deal with.

Twinkle twinkle little star, if their excuse was proper, the stars would dance around the sky instead of twinkle.



That change in rise is accurate and the media (conveniently owned by 1 company as of recently) is covering it up.

Ask why ALL news anchors do not go out in the field anymore.
 Quoting: --Voltaic--


Heh... your "thinking" is just painfully faulty. All that aside... it's REALLY simple. All you have to do is make a time-lapse vid of Polaris, showing it to no longer be right near the center of rotation of the northern sky. DO IT!
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7444 ARE YOU GOING TO BELIEVE WHAT YOUR LYING EYES TELL YOU OR WHAT A DR. OF ASTROPHYSICS TELLS YOU FROM HIS ARMCHAIR THAT YOUU SAW? IT'S YOUR CHOICE I QUIT.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17346821


You just don't GET that all these people who claim to "see" certain things are actually claiming to REMEMBER things being a certain way? Understand the difference?
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MENOW DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY ALMOST ALL ASTRONOMY IS SUPPORTED BY GOVERNMENT. PEOPLE WILL LIE TO SUPPORT THEIR INCOME IF NECESSARY.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17346821

Do you just tell me (and Menow), that the US government changed the stellar coordinates in a book from 1921 that is in my possession since about 35 years?

Thread: Orion is in the Wrong Place!!! (Page 16)


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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

aseindia
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HYDRA THE DOCUMENTARY WAS MADE BY THE INUIT THEMSELVES AND THEY NOTICE THE PHYSICAL CHANGES IN SUN STARS. COMPASSES DON'T WORK WELL THAT FAR NORTH THEY USED THE STARS FOR DIRECTION FINDING IN THE POLAR NIGHT WHICH LASTS FOR MONTHS. IF YOU HAD A NIGHT THAT LASTED FOR MONTHS LIKE THEM YOU'D KNOW TO THE MILLIMETER WHERE TO LOOK FOR IT'S RISING.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17346821

Seems you didn't get it - the part of the article I quoted was from the producer, Kunuk an Inuit, stating that the elders are wrong.

Thus let me quote it again:

"The scientific explanation is that the warming Arctic air is causing temperature inversions, which in turn cause the light of the sunset to refract so that the sun appears to be setting a few kilometres off-kilter. "There is so much garbage in the air, it's refraction that's causing our elders to think our world has tilted," Kunuk [the producer of the documentary] says."

Next time read the complete article you refer to.
 Quoting: Hydra


That reason they provide is complete BS!

Otherwise we would observe shadows dancing around the ground as a cold front moves through an area.

The fact is, air mass can not bend light that much. The MOST you will see is what ground based telescopes have to deal with.

Twinkle twinkle little star, if their excuse was proper, the stars would dance around the sky instead of twinkle.


That change in rise is accurate and the media (conveniently owned by 1 company as of recently) is covering it up.

Ask why ALL news anchors do not go out in the field anymore.
 Quoting: --Voltaic--

It's not mass that bends the light in this case - it's atmospheric refraction close to the horizon - as every astronomer knows.

Didn't know, that the Inuit also stated that the Sun was dancing around.

The change of rise is not accurate - this would imply a tilt of Earth axis.
And Earth axis did not tilt as proven.


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 Quoting: Hydra


The light refraction theory is a THEORY.

The Sun being out of place observation there is REAL.


Reflection/refraction, one can not be stronger then the other in the same medium. They both operate upon the same principles.

Don't try to teach me false science with assumptions.
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Learn something about optics.

The light refraction theory is a THEORY.
 Quoting: --Voltaic--

No, it's not: It's measurable, repeatable and gives under the same conditions always the same results.

The Sun being out of place observation there is REAL.
 Quoting: --Voltaic--

Yes it is - the observation of the sun rise, not the real position of the sun. Different things.

Reflection/refraction, one can not be stronger then the other in the same medium. They both operate upon the same principles.
 Quoting: --Voltaic--

No, they don't operate upon the same principles.
For refraction you need two media of different density, for reflection you need only one medium.

Don't try to teach me false science with assumptions.
 Quoting: --Voltaic--

As said before: Learn something about optics.


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how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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Re: Orion is in the Wrong Place!!!
Learn something about optics.

The light refraction theory is a THEORY.
 Quoting: --Voltaic--

No, it's not: It's measurable, repeatable and gives under the same conditions always the same results.

The Sun being out of place observation there is REAL.
 Quoting: --Voltaic--

Yes it is - the observation of the sun rise, not the real position of the sun. Different things.

Reflection/refraction, one can not be stronger then the other in the same medium. They both operate upon the same principles.
 Quoting: --Voltaic--

No, they don't operate upon the same principles.
For refraction you need two media of different density, for reflection you need only one medium.

Don't try to teach me false science with assumptions.
 Quoting: --Voltaic--

As said before: Learn something about optics.


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You are SOOO full of shit!

The THEORY of the Suns misalignment has NOT been proven as the cause. Only theorized.

Reflection AND refraction need 2 mediums as ONE is the medium it travels in, the other is the material which either reflects or refracts the light.

Think about the Prism! The angles imposed when refracted (change in speed) is the same as the reflected light, just different sides of the axis.
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Re: Orion is in the Wrong Place!!!
Learn something about optics.

The light refraction theory is a THEORY.
 Quoting: --Voltaic--

No, it's not: It's measurable, repeatable and gives under the same conditions always the same results.

The Sun being out of place observation there is REAL.
 Quoting: --Voltaic--

Yes it is - the observation of the sun rise, not the real position of the sun. Different things.

Reflection/refraction, one can not be stronger then the other in the same medium. They both operate upon the same principles.
 Quoting: --Voltaic--

No, they don't operate upon the same principles.
For refraction you need two media of different density, for reflection you need only one medium.

Don't try to teach me false science with assumptions.
 Quoting: --Voltaic--

As said before: Learn something about optics.
 Quoting: Hydra

You are SOOO full of shit!

The THEORY of the Suns misalignment has NOT been proven as the cause. Only theorized.

Reflection AND refraction need 2 mediums as ONE is the medium it travels in, the other is the material which either reflects or refracts the light.

Think about the Prism! The angles imposed when refracted (change in speed) is the same as the reflected light, just different sides of the axis.
 Quoting: --Voltaic--

So what's your "theory" of the cause of the Suns misalignment?
Btw: You know the differenc between "theory" and "hypothesis"?


OK, wrong wording.

When I put a stick into water and another one into oil (same angle) the reflection is the same in both.
And the refraction is also the same?
Prove it - a photo would be nice.

What do you think why a reflecting telescope (mirror) has no chromatic aberation.
What do you think why they use different kinds of glas in refracting telescopes (lenses) to eliminate chromatic aberation?


Perhaps you should open a thread about the differenz or not difference between refraction and reflection, because the topic of this thread is Orion is in the Wrong Place!!!

I addressed your questions here: Thread: Orion is in the Wrong Place!!! (Page 16)

Still no comment from you.



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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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Annular Solar Eclipse - January 15, 2010 - Rameshwaram, India