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Orion is in the Wrong Place!!!

 
Isis One

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Inuits of Alaska report bizarre changes in the position of the sun and the stars.

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I keep seeing weird stuff too. I stopped asking about it. I used to rely on Star Hustler, but since he died, those kooks have messed up the show and it's just downright rubbish.
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what planet was in conjunction with the last full moon?
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Fucking clouds. I'll try to wait them out as long as I can.
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It's almost time for Winter Solstice. By Spring it should be where he remembers it.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

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Well, actually Orion will not rise in a different place on the horizon in spring, it will just rise at a different time.
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what planet was in conjunction with the last full moon?
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Jupiter.
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I'm not saying that the theory about Orion and the moon being off track and out of place is wrong . . . but why do so many people who live in trailer houses far out in the country have a beat up old RV and/or school bus sitting there surrounded by a junkyard assortment of metal, tires, trashy furniture pieces, etc. strewn all over the place. Not everyone can afford to live in a nice house or apartment, but geez why are these types of trailer people always so filthy?
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Wow, do you realize how absolutely pompous and uppity you sound? Dont worry, we'll all be the same soon. The nice thing about poor people is that can and will make it through the hard times because that's all they have know. Rich people will go crazy and jump of of high buildings if their bank accounts get below $10,000. You don't know why these people are poor. It could be out of their control. You should think about what youre saying least you become one of THOSE people.
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Exactly, not everybody who lives in a trailer is broke...

I live in my trailer, it's very nice, large, fully equipped, totally paid for, has all the comforts of home, has it's own backup "grid" and access to the main grid and is on 100% paid for land. I pay no rent besides $200/year in property tax and if I don't like the neighbors (who are almost a mile away) or the situation here, I can drive off with my home and find a new cheap place. I work in manhattan and you would never guess if you looked at me. Only drawback is the crazy commute, which I can totally afford as I don't have a house note to slave over.

It's fun, cheap and flexible, as was said before, you should consider it as an option and get used to it, you may end up in far worse in the future.

Thanks for listening.
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Inuits of Alaska report bizarre changes in the position of the sun and the stars.

[link to www.theglobeandmail.com]
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You mean a couple of guys who live in modern housing and ride out to hunt on snowmobiles think they remember the sun rising in a different place.
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what planet was in conjunction with the last full moon?
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Jupiter was very near the moon.
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what planet was in conjunction with the last full moon?
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Jupiter was very near the moon.
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Thanks, it must have been in conjunction, it was SO close!
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Good grief !!!!

You people amaze me.

Orion is exactly where it is supposed to be.
The moon is exactly where it is supposed to be.
The sun is exactly where it is supposed to be.
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So the universe doesn't need a chiropractic adjustment then?
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All the space programs for every site every program are written by the Navy/Government. Nobody has to change apps. The programs come preloaded. They also get updates just like we do for their programs. Yes they can all be easily tweeked. Wake up.

How hard to you think this would be. Not hard at all. Alot of these sites are supplied by the Government also. Nobody checks too see who the site owners are thats all. The liers leading the sheep around. Everything is normal alright.


wow you must be a software developer!

actually, you're incorrect, "all the space programs for every site" are not written by "the navy/government".. you have no idea what you're talking about.

iamwith


yes, yes they are YOU are very incorrect. not every app has deployed a sat in orbit (or heave telescope) to get the star maps...they are ALL fed by navy/govt launched sat
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Inuits of Alaska report bizarre changes in the position of the sun and the stars.

[link to www.theglobeandmail.com]
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You mean a couple of guys who live in modern housing and ride out to hunt on snowmobiles think they remember the sun rising in a different place.
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


I'd suggest you read the article before you shoot your mouth off, you know what......never mind
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1doh1
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All the space programs for every site every program are written by the Navy/Government. Nobody has to change apps. The programs come preloaded. They also get updates just like we do for their programs. Yes they can all be easily tweeked. Wake up.

How hard to you think this would be. Not hard at all. Alot of these sites are supplied by the Government also. Nobody checks too see who the site owners are thats all. The liers leading the sheep around. Everything is normal alright.


wow you must be a software developer!

actually, you're incorrect, "all the space programs for every site" are not written by "the navy/government".. you have no idea what you're talking about.

iamwith


yes, yes they are YOU are very incorrect. not every app has deployed a sat in orbit (or heave telescope) to get the star maps...they are ALL fed by navy/govt launched sat


You're clueless. Sky programs utilize various sky survey data. Satellites need not even be involved. Those original images are available and have not changed. Get a grip.
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Fucking clouds. I'll try to wait them out as long as I can.
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Got the shot, now to download and analyze.
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1doh1
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All the space programs for every site every program are written by the Navy/Government. Nobody has to change apps. The programs come preloaded. They also get updates just like we do for their programs. Yes they can all be easily tweeked. Wake up.

How hard to you think this would be. Not hard at all. Alot of these sites are supplied by the Government also. Nobody checks too see who the site owners are thats all. The liers leading the sheep around. Everything is normal alright.
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


wow you must be a software developer!

actually, you're incorrect, "all the space programs for every site" are not written by "the navy/government".. you have no idea what you're talking about.

iamwith


yes, yes they are YOU are very incorrect. not every app has deployed a sat in orbit (or heave telescope) to get the star maps...they are ALL fed by navy/govt launched sat


You're clueless. Sky programs utilize various sky survey data. Satellites need not even be involved. Those original images are available and have not changed. Get a grip.

Most consumer astronomy programs utilize VSOP87, which is French, not US Navy, NASA, etc and as the name implies, it was written in 1987. Still works.
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Inuits of Alaska report bizarre changes in the position of the sun and the stars.

[link to www.theglobeandmail.com]
 Quoting: Isis One


You mean a couple of guys who live in modern housing and ride out to hunt on snowmobiles think they remember the sun rising in a different place.
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


I'd suggest you read the article before you shoot your mouth off, you know what......never mind
 Quoting: Isis One


The article is not new and neither is the documentary. My comment stands. Why don't YOU explain how those guys can be right about the sun rising in the wrong place and the world's astronomers don't know about it?
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Well, I just Had to go look, didn't I? lol

The moonrise tonight is quite a bit further south than it rose at the full of the moon. Is there that much of a variation each month?
Orion is in about the same relation to the moon as from a few nights ago, but it is noticeably further to the South as well, instead of almost directly overhead where I usually notice it.

Somebody already said it... must be a glitch in the matrix!
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wouldnt that mean earth is in the wrong place?
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Is there a right place this year?
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Orion (the whole constellation of stars) is in the wrong place, but the rest of the sky is correctly in position?

Okay. Who the h*** is moving around Orion?!?!?!?!?
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Touche!

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Inuits of Alaska report bizarre changes in the position of the sun and the stars.

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You mean a couple of guys who live in modern housing and ride out to hunt on snowmobiles think they remember the sun rising in a different place.
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


I'd suggest you read the article before you shoot your mouth off, you know what......never mind
 Quoting: Isis One


How about YOU read the article? Here is a quote from one of the film makers:


The scientific explanation is that the warming Arctic air is causing temperature inversions, which in turn cause the light of the sunset to refract so that the sun appears to be setting a few kilometres off-kilter. "There is so much garbage in the air, it's refraction that's causing our elders to think our world has tilted," Kunuk says.

But the filmmakers don't include that scientific explanation in the film, nor any other comments from the scientific community. Instead, the film deals strictly with the elders' observations and their belief that they have no control over climate change and they simply have to adapt.
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So when is Astrodong coming back with his sage analysis?
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Well, I just Had to go look, didn't I? lol

The moonrise tonight is quite a bit further south than it rose at the full of the moon. Is there that much of a variation each month?
 Quoting: lasombra


Yes.

Orion is in about the same relation to the moon as from a few nights ago,
 Quoting: lasombra


No, it isn't. It can't be unless the Moon has stopped orbiting Earth.

but it is noticeably further to the South as well, instead of almost directly overhead where I usually notice it.
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What is?

Somebody already said it... must be a glitch in the matrix!
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No, it's glitch in the science education system.
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Inuits of Alaska report bizarre changes in the position of the sun and the stars.

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You mean a couple of guys who live in modern housing and ride out to hunt on snowmobiles think they remember the sun rising in a different place.
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


I'd suggest you read the article before you shoot your mouth off, you know what......never mind
 Quoting: Isis One


The article is not new and neither is the documentary. My comment stands. Why don't YOU explain how those guys can be right about the sun rising in the wrong place and the world's astronomers don't know about it?
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


I never said the article was new. I like to consider possibilities, so shoot me. Amateur astronomers (guys/gals looking around from their backyard) can probably be credited with almost as many discoveries as 'world astronomers', who by the way are often locked into an intellectual paradigm that they refuse to budge from much like the scientists at the time who claimed to know for fact that the earth was flat. Are you aware the Milky Way is not our home galaxy? 'World Astronomers' don't like that getting out much either, doesn't look good for their paradigm. Just about every physical constant has been upended, we are in times of change, expansion, evolution. Here's my parting words. For those who believe, no explanation is necessary, for those who do not believe, no explanation is sufficient.
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Fucking clouds. I'll try to wait them out as long as I can.
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Got the shot, now to download and analyze.
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Thank God, can't sleep til I know the answer. I always look for Orion when I walk the dogs, tonight it was not where it usually is. Ihad to turn around and look south. Thought it was just me til I saw this thread.

Drum roll for the good Dr's verdict....
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Inuits of Alaska report bizarre changes in the position of the sun and the stars.

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You mean a couple of guys who live in modern housing and ride out to hunt on snowmobiles think they remember the sun rising in a different place.
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


I'd suggest you read the article before you shoot your mouth off, you know what......never mind
 Quoting: Isis One


How about YOU read the article? Here is a quote from one of the film makers:


The scientific explanation is that the warming Arctic air is causing temperature inversions, which in turn cause the light of the sunset to refract so that the sun appears to be setting a few kilometres off-kilter. "There is so much garbage in the air, it's refraction that's causing our elders to think our world has tilted," Kunuk says.

But the filmmakers don't include that scientific explanation in the film, nor any other comments from the scientific community. Instead, the film deals strictly with the elders' observations and their belief that they have no control over climate change and they simply have to adapt.
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


Thats a possible explantion and they wanted pure indegenous observations, from un brainwashed elders. I usually don't debate like this, not sure why I am tonight, hmmmmm
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Where is TBAR1984? He will explain it.
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You mean a couple of guys who live in modern housing and ride out to hunt on snowmobiles think they remember the sun rising in a different place.
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


I'd suggest you read the article before you shoot your mouth off, you know what......never mind
 Quoting: Isis One


The article is not new and neither is the documentary. My comment stands. Why don't YOU explain how those guys can be right about the sun rising in the wrong place and the world's astronomers don't know about it?
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


I never said the article was new. I like to consider possibilities, so shoot me. Amateur astronomers (guys/gals looking around from their backyard) can probably be credited with almost as many discoveries as 'world astronomers', who by the way are often locked into an intellectual paradigm that they refuse to budge from much like the scientists at the time who claimed to know for fact that the earth was flat.
 Quoting: Isis One


Sorry, but no matter how much people like to cite that example it's a myth. [link to en.wikipedia.org]

Are you aware the Milky Way is not our home galaxy?
 Quoting: Isis One


WTF are you talking about?

'World Astronomers' don't like that getting out much either,
 Quoting: Isis One


Right... they are 'hiding' that from the public... and WHY would that be, allededly?

doesn't look good for their paradigm.
 Quoting: Isis One


Why would such a thing, if true, affect any paradigm?

Just about every physical constant has been upended, we are in times of change, expansion, evolution. Here's my parting words. For those who believe, no explanation is necessary, for those who do not believe, no explanation is sufficient.
 Quoting: Isis One


"Believe"? Is this about religion? Oh... you have already run away.
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Where is TBAR1984? He will explain it.
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LOL
Terral3 is behind this!

The longer it takes Astro the more I'm thinking its moved and he needs to figure out why. Otherwise a glance may have ended this mess rather quickly. Tho,I'm sure there is more to it than that.

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You mean a couple of guys who live in modern housing and ride out to hunt on snowmobiles think they remember the sun rising in a different place.
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


I'd suggest you read the article before you shoot your mouth off, you know what......never mind
 Quoting: Isis One


How about YOU read the article? Here is a quote from one of the film makers:


The scientific explanation is that the warming Arctic air is causing temperature inversions, which in turn cause the light of the sunset to refract so that the sun appears to be setting a few kilometres off-kilter. "There is so much garbage in the air, it's refraction that's causing our elders to think our world has tilted," Kunuk says.

But the filmmakers don't include that scientific explanation in the film, nor any other comments from the scientific community. Instead, the film deals strictly with the elders' observations and their belief that they have no control over climate change and they simply have to adapt.
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


Thats a possible explantion and they wanted pure indegenous observations, from un brainwashed elders. I usually don't debate like this, not sure why I am tonight, hmmmmm
 Quoting: Isis One


The film makers simply got what they got. The idea that those "elders" have infallible memories and information is a little on the 'precious' side, don't you think?