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Why did God do Satanís bidding?

 
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Does not man initiate another to 'Go ahead, try me."? Or doesn't a boss see that a man is strong and loyal, to then give him an even more daunting and important task?

Do we not look in the face of an opponent and dare him to cross the line? Does it mean we are doing 'their' bidding? No, it is us trying to prove the other person wrong, weak, useless and another strong, loyal and precious.

Why is man allowed so many variables in their lives and yet when God does it we are somehow appalled or surprised? He created us, we are like Him, therefore we shouldn't be so surprised that He takes pride in us in the face of His and our enemy.
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It is good to take pride in ones accomplishments.

It is evil to murder innocent people to show how much we deserve praise for it and only an evil God would do so.

Those who do not see that have had their moral sense compromised by religion.

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Satan is real. I encountered him while using drugs. He showed me my future while simultaneously taunting and causing physical pain to me just by willing it into my mind. Seek Christ now, the end is truly near.
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Same thing with me, he showed me all my friends sins via telepathy and tried to convince me there was no good in the world and only darkness. (perhaps trying to get me to kill himself)

I was so scared and alone in this inky darkness.

Then I started thinking about God and on Judgement day how like in a court of law my story would have so many holes in it I would be thrown in the slammer.

Then I realized in court Jesus would do all the talking to God for me, then Satan fled and I felt the most wholeness Ive ever experienced in my entire life.
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Using a scapegoat Jesus is you trying to profit from God's unnecessary murder of his own son.

That is quite immoral and will send any who would profit from murder to hell.

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It's a bet.

That's all.

Just a lousy bet.

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The "test" God put JOb through is more like a mother who allows her child to ride his/her bike to school alone for the first time. To cross the street by themselves.

Yes, there are dangers, but that child has to be "tested" and tried to be able to handle all the unknowns, and possible pitfalls that may cross their paths. THeir maturity in how they handle that situation gives the loving parent more confidence in the child's ability to handle even tougher tests in the future. I feel God was showing satan what his children were made of in the Book of Job.

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And God was showing what he was made of by murdering innocent people. He is made of evil.

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You just know, you can feel the absolute emptiness effeminate from him.
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Exactly, I immediately knew who had joined me on this adventure without ever seeing him. I wanted to ask, what's your problem man? As to ask why they are evil in the first place, but it seemed absolutely pointless to ask such a question. He enjoys hurting us and would rather suffer in hell with us then seek God's forgiveness, if it were even possible. He is the opposite of Jesus, and of love, etc.

It took a while for me to hear from God after this, but the last message God sent me was: 'I love all of you, no matter what...' this was during church and a few people simultaneously started crying at the same time I heard this message, they must have heard it too.
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My sister also met Satan on shrooms. She was puking in the toilet and his face morphed on the wood foor and she wanted to punch his face in so much because he was making her feel awful. (shrooms/alcohol = rot/death)

I also met this women at a bar who also met Satan on drugs, he was sitting on a tree branch just staring at her filling her with fear.
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Passages condoning rape in the Bible

1) Murder, rape, and pillage at Jabesh-gilead (Judges 21:10-24 NLT)

So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children. "This is what you are to do," they said. "Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin." Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan.

The Israelite assembly sent a peace delegation to the little remnant of Benjamin who were living at the rock of Rimmon. Then the men of Benjamin returned to their homes, and the four hundred women of Jabesh-gilead who were spared were given to them as wives. But there were not enough women for all of them. The people felt sorry for Benjamin because the LORD had left this gap in the tribes of Israel. So the Israelite leaders asked, "How can we find wives for the few who remain, since all the women of the tribe of Benjamin are dead? There must be heirs for the survivors so that an entire tribe of Israel will not be lost forever. But we cannot give them our own daughters in marriage because we have sworn with a solemn oath that anyone who does this will fall under God's curse."

Then they thought of the annual festival of the LORD held in Shiloh, between Lebonah and Bethel, along the east side of the road that goes from Bethel to Shechem. They told the men of Benjamin who still needed wives, "Go and hide in the vineyards. When the women of Shiloh come out for their dances, rush out from the vineyards, and each of you can take one of them home to be your wife! And when their fathers and brothers come to us in protest, we will tell them, 'Please be understanding. Let them have your daughters, for we didn't find enough wives for them when we destroyed Jabesh-gilead. And you are not guilty of breaking the vow since you did not give your daughters in marriage to them.'" So the men of Benjamin did as they were told. They kidnapped the women who took part in the celebration and carried them off to the land of their own inheritance. Then they rebuilt their towns and lived in them. So the assembly of Israel departed by tribes and families, and they returned to their own homes.

Obviously these women were repeatedly raped. These sick bastards killed and raped an entire town and then wanted more virgins, so they hid beside the road to kidnap and rape some more. How can anyone see this as anything but evil?

2) Murder, rape and pillage of the Midianites (Numbers 31:7-18 NLT)

They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings Ė Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba Ė died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.

Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded. "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.

Clearly Moses and God approves of rape of virgins.

3) More Murder Rape and Pillage (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)

As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.

What kind of God approves of murder, rape, and slavery?

4) Laws of Rape (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)

If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

What kind of lunatic would make a rape victim marry her attacker? Answer: God.

5) Death to the Rape Victim (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)

If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.

It is clear that God doesn't give a damn about the rape victim. He is only concerned about the violation of another mans "property".

6) David's Punishment - Polygamy, Rape, Baby Killing, and God's "Forgiveness" (2 Samuel 12:11-14 NAB)

Thus says the Lord: 'I will bring evil upon you out of your own house. I will take your wives [plural] while you live to see it, and will give them to your neighbor. He shall lie with your wives in broad daylight. You have done this deed in secret, but I will bring it about in the presence of all Israel, and with the sun looking down.'
Then David said to Nathan, "I have sinned against the Lord." Nathan answered David: "The Lord on his part has forgiven your sin: you shall not die. But since you have utterly spurned the Lord by this deed, the child born to you must surely die." [The child dies seven days later.]

This has got to be one of the sickest quotes of the Bible. God himself brings the completely innocent rape victims to the rapist. What kind of pathetic loser would do something so evil? And then he kills a child! This is sick, really sick!

7) Rape of Female Captives (Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NAB)

"When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house. But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive's garb. After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife. However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was married to you under compulsion."

Once again God approves of forcible rape.

8) Rape and the Spoils of War (Judges 5:30 NAB)

They must be dividing the spoils they took: there must be a damsel or two for each man, Spoils of dyed cloth as Sisera's spoil, an ornate shawl or two for me in the spoil. (Judges 5:30 NAB)

9) Sex Slaves (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

10) God Assists Rape and Plunder (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)

Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst. And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city. (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)
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Re: Why did God do Satanís bidding?
God does not do Satan's bidding.

As to why God allows evil is because free will offers Humanity the chance to grow.

If God played "super mom" with life he would create dependent's living at home smoking pot all day.

The story of Job illustrates this point saying Gods true desire to to build a relationship with men nothing more even if the relationship goes through rough patches in the end it will be true and honest.
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You are sending me off topic but what the hell.

The good old free will card.

You cannot help but do evil and God is unjust for punishing you for doing what you cannot help but do.

Christians are always trying to absolve God of moral culpability in the fall by whipping out their favorite "free will!", or ď itís all manís faultĒ.

That is "God gave us free will and it was our free willed choices that caused our fall. Hence God is not blameworthy."

But this simply avoids God's culpability as the author of Human Nature. Free will is only the ability to choose. It is not an explanation why anyone would want to choose "A" or "B" (bad or good action). An explanation for why Eve would even have the nature of "being vulnerable to being easily swayed by a serpent" and "desiring to eat a forbidden fruit" must lie in the nature God gave Eve in the first place. Hence God is culpable for deliberately making humans with a nature-inclined-to-fall, and "free will" means nothing as a response to this problem.

If all sin by nature then, the sin nature is dominant. If not, we would have at least some who would not sin.


Having said the above for the God that I do not believe in, I am a Gnostic Christian naturalist, let me tell you that evil is all human generated. Evil is our responsibility.

Much has been written to explain what I see as a natural part of evolution.

Consider.
First, let us eliminate what some see as evil. Natural disasters. These are unthinking occurrences and are neither good nor evil. There is no intent to do evil even as victims are created.

Evil then is only human to human.
As evolving creatures, all we ever do, and ever can do, is compete or cooperate.
Cooperation we would see as good as there are no victims created. Competition would be seen as evil as it creates a victim. We all are either cooperating, doing good, or competing, doing evil at all times.

Without us doing some of both, we would likely go extinct.

This, to me, explains why there is evil in the world quite well.

Be you a believer in nature, evolution or God, we should all see that what Christians see as something to blame, evil, we should see that what we have, competition, deserves a huge thanks for being available to us.

There is no conflict between nature and God on this issue. This is how things are and should be. We all must do what some will think is evil as we compete and create losers to this competition.

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God gave the Angels the freedom to choose and so those who chose against Him availed a way to give this same right to mankind. Although it meant death, and that we would have to disobey God, He already had a way to save us, as Jesus Christ was there in the beginning.

In order to be true free will, to make a 'choice', there must be two things to 'choose' from. In the Garden there was only good; in order to give Adam and Eve true free will, they would then have to be allowed to know and choose evil...and the only way they could know evil was to eat from the forbidden fruit, which was only attainable from The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. Satan's purpose was to prod Eve to take of the fruit in order for us to have this free will and ability to choose for God or not to. He had already proven his ability to influence, as 1/3 of the angels fell for his lies and delusions of grandeur. And so today we still see that influence so as to give each of us the choice to obey and choose for our Creator or to believe the lie from the prince of lies.

God's ways are unfathomable to us. It is sort of like the chicken and the egg. But, even we prepare for disaster though we do not wish it; God did the same thing in Jesus Christ...He IS our life jacket, our medicine and our salvation.
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Ritual Human Sacrifice in the Bible

(Why does God want me to burn animals and humans?)

The Bible, especially the Old Testament, is filled with numerous stories of animal and human sacrifice. God, we are told, likes the pleasing aroma of burning flesh. Animal sacrifice is much more common than human sacrifice, but both occur and are "pleasing to the Lord".

Genesis, the first book of the Bible, has Abraham preparing to sacrifice his son to God. "Take your son, your only son Ė yes, Isaac, whom you love so much Ė and go to the land of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains, which I will point out to you." (Genesis 22:1-18) Abraham takes his own son up on a mountain and builds an altar upon which to burn him. He even lies to his son and has him help build the altar. Then Abraham ties his son to the altar and puts a knife to his throat. He then hears God tell him this was just a test of his faith. However, God still wanted to smell some burnt flesh so he tells Abraham to burn a ram.

Even though he didn't kill his son, it is still an incredibly cruel and evil thing to do. If Abraham did that today he would be in jail serving a long sentence as someone's prison-bitch. It amazes me how Christians see this story as a sign of God's love. There is no love here, just pure unadulterated evil.

The first seven chapters of Leviticus have extensive rules regarding animal and food sacrifices. These offerings are supposed to be burnt so that God can smell them. If you read through these it seems clear to me that the priests were getting their followers to make a big feast for them every week. The priests were very particular about what kind of food to bring and how to prepare it.

Even more peculiar is God's obsession with first-born sons. In Exodus 13:2 the Lord said "Consecrate to me every first-born that opens the womb among Israelites, both man and beast, for it belongs to me." Later it says that you can redeem (replace) an ass with a sheep and that you must redeem a child for an unspecified price. It is clear from the context that "consecrate" means a burning sacrifice. These priests are guilty of theft and kidnapping. Since any sins in the Old Testament were punishable by death, these priests used the threat of death to extort food and money from their followers. What do we call a scum-bag that threatens to kill your kids unless you pay a ransom? A kidnapper! If these priests were alive today they would be in prison with Abraham.

However, in Leviticus 27:28-29, the Lord allows for no redemptions. "Note also that any one of his possessions which a man vows as doomed to the Lord, whether it is a human being or an animal, or a hereditary field, shall be neither sold nor ransomed; everything that is thus doomed becomes most sacred to the Lord. All human beings that are doomed lose the right to be redeemed; they must be put to death." I must admit that I am a bit confused by this contradiction, but it might only apply to slaves in your possession. Not that it makes any difference. A human sacrifice is a human sacrifice, and it is just sick.


Bible Passages About Ritual Human Sacrifice


Jephthah Burns His Daughter

"At that time the Spirit of the LORD came upon Jephthah, and he went throughout the land of Gilead and Manasseh, including Mizpah in Gilead, and led an army against the Ammonites. And Jephthah made a vow to the LORD. He said, "If you give me victory over the Ammonites, I will give to the LORD the first thing coming out of my house to greet me when I return in triumph. I will sacrifice it as a burnt offering."

"So Jephthah led his army against the Ammonites, and the LORD gave him victory. He thoroughly defeated the Ammonites from Aroer to an area near Minnith Ė twenty towns Ė and as far away as Abel-keramim. Thus Israel subdued the Ammonites. When Jephthah returned home to Mizpah, his daughter Ė his only child Ė ran out to meet him, playing on a tambourine and dancing for joy. When he saw her, he tore his clothes in anguish. "My daughter!" he cried out. "My heart is breaking! What a tragedy that you came out to greet me. For I have made a vow to the LORD and cannot take it back." And she said, "Father, you have made a promise to the LORD. You must do to me what you have promised, for the LORD has given you a great victory over your enemies, the Ammonites. But first let me go up and roam in the hills and weep with my friends for two months, because I will die a virgin." "You may go," Jephthah said. And he let her go away for two months. She and her friends went into the hills and wept because she would never have children. When she returned home, her father kept his vow, and she died a virgin. So it has become a custom in Israel for young Israelite women to go away for four days each year to lament the fate of Jephthah's daughter." (Judges 11:29-40 NLT)


God Commands Burning Humans

[The Lord speaking] "The one who has stolen what was set apart for destruction will himself be burned with fire, along with everything he has, for he has broken the covenant of the LORD and has done a horrible thing in Israel." (Joshua 7:15 NLT)


Josiah and Human Sacrifice

At the LORD's command, a man of God from Judah went to Bethel, and he arrived there just as Jeroboam was approaching the altar to offer a sacrifice. Then at the LORD's command, he shouted, "O altar, altar! This is what the LORD says: A child named Josiah will be born into the dynasty of David. On you he will sacrifice the priests from the pagan shrines who come here to burn incense, and human bones will be burned on you." (1 Kings 13:1-2 NLT)

He [Josiah] executed the priests of the pagan shrines on their own altars, and he burned human bones on the altars to desecrate them. Finally, he returned to Jerusalem. King Josiah then issued this order to all the people: "You must celebrate the Passover to the LORD your God, as it is written in the Book of the Covenant." There had not been a Passover celebration like that since the time when the judges ruled in Israel, throughout all the years of the kings of Israel and Judah. This Passover was celebrated to the LORD in Jerusalem during the eighteenth year of King Josiah's reign. Josiah also exterminated the mediums and psychics, the household gods, and every other kind of idol worship, both in Jerusalem and throughout the land of Judah. He did this in obedience to all the laws written in the scroll that Hilkiah the priest had found in the LORD's Temple. Never before had there been a king like Josiah, who turned to the LORD with all his heart and soul and strength, obeying all the laws of Moses. And there has never been a king like him since. (2 Kings 23:20-25 NLT)

Human Sacrifice

Chastised a little, they shall be greatly blessed, because God tried them and found them worthy of himself. As gold in the furnace, he proved them, and as sacrificial offerings he took them to himself. In the time of their visitation they shall shine, and shall dart about as sparks through stubble; (Wisdom 3:5-7 NAB The Book of The Wisdom of Solomon is mostly in Catholic versions of the Bible.)


Child Sacrifice

And this became a hidden trap for mankind, because men, in bondage to misfortune or to royal authority, bestowed on objects of stone or wood the name that ought not to be shared. Afterward it was not enough for them to err about the knowledge of God, but they live in great strife due to ignorance, and they call such great evils peace. For whether they kill children in their initiations, or celebrate secret mysteries, or hold frenzied revels with strange customsÖ (Wisdom 14:21-23 RSV) The Book of The Wisdom of Solomon is mostly in Catholic versions of the Bible. This passage condemns human sacrifice but acknowledges that it did happen by early God worshipers.


Humans are Fuel for Fire

As for you, son of man, prophesy: Thus says the Lord GOD against the Ammonites and their insults: A sword, a sword is drawn for slaughter, burnished to consume and to flash lightning, because you planned with false visions and lying divinations to lay it on the necks of depraved and wicked men whose day has come when their crimes are at an end. Return it to its sheath! In the place where you were created, in the land of your origin, I will judge you. I will pour out my indignation upon you, breathing my fiery wrath upon you, I will hand you over to ravaging men, artisans of destruction. You shall be fuel for the fire, your blood shall flow throughout the land. You shall not be remembered, for I, the LORD, have spoken. (Ezekiel 21:33-37 NAB)


Burn Nonbelievers

"Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)


So the next time some Christian tells you about the "love of God", show them this page and ask them "Why does God want me to burn animals and humans?"
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Re: Why did God do Satanís bidding?
If God were to stop Satan before he even sinned.

It would have cast doubt. God would have let fear control him, and since God is not fearful he took a chance and made creation anyways.

His way of saying he's sorry is the death of Jesus the highest price he could have possibly paid.

Humanity for the rest of time will be a text book example of what happens when sin manifests.

This is the one and only rebellion ever, this possibility had to have been played out eventually since God's been around forever and will be around forever.

Now in heaven when someone asks "are your ways the best?"

God and show them what happened here on earth.

Gods ways are so mysterious he lets to "hit many birds with one stone" and always with love.
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Jesus Lied About Prayer

Jesus is quoted many times in the Bible saying that a believer can ask for anything through prayer and receive it. He even goes so far as to say that mountains and trees can be thrown into the sea simply by praying for it. This is clearly a lie, and can be proven to be a lie by any believer. Simply pray for me to be converted to Christianity right away. Or better yet ask God to move the mountains behind my house. He could make a lot of converts that way. If Iím converted today, Iíll post a public apology on my web site and devote my life to kissing Godís ass. If Iím not converted it would only be fair for you to apologize and devote your life to kissing my butt.

Here are the quotes from Jesus that proves that he lied:

1) And Jesus answered and said to them, "Truly I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, `Be taken up and cast into the sea,' it will happen. "And all things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive." (Matthew 21:21-22 NAS)

2) Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened. (Matthew 7:7-8 NAB)

3) Again I say to you, that if two of you agree on earth about anything that they may ask, it shall be done for them by My Father who is in heaven. For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst. (Matthew 18:19-20 NAS)

4) Amen, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, 'Be lifted up and thrown into the sea,' and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it shall be done for him. Therefore I tell you, all that you ask for in prayer, believe that you will receive it and it shall be yours. (Mark 11:24-25 NAB)

5) And I tell you, ask and you will receive; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened. (Luke 11:9-13 NAB)

6) And whatever you ask in my name, I will do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask anything of me in my name, I will do it. (John 14:13-14 NAB)

7) If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask for whatever you want and it will be done for you. (John 15:7 NAB)

8) It was not you who chose me, but I who chose you and appointed you to go and bear fruit that will remain, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name he may give you. (John 15:16 NAB)

9) On that day you will not question me about anything. Amen, amen, I say to you, whatever you ask the Father in my name he will give you. Until now you have not asked anything in my name; ask and you will receive, so that your joy may be complete. (John 16:23-24 NAB)

A lot of Christians ignore what Jesus actually says in the Bible. They also tend to add things to the actual words to make them say something else. If you honestly and truthfully read these quotes, without adding to them, it is very easy to see that Jesus is not saying that God will think about your prayers. He says God will grant all your prayers. Clearly, God doesnít grant all prayers and this proves that Jesus was a habitual liar.
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ďI do not know God, nor can I say that I donít know It. If you understand the meaning of 'I neither know or donít know,' you understand God. Those who realize God cannot be known, truly know; those who claim that they know, know nothing. The ignorant think that God can be grasped by the mind; the wise know It beyond knowledge.

ďWhen you see that God acts through you every moment, in every movement of mind or body, you attain true freedom. When you realize the truth, and cling to nothing in the world, you enter eternal life.Ē
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God does not do Satan's bidding.

As to why God allows evil is because free will offers Humanity the chance to grow.

If God played "super mom" with life he would create dependent's living at home smoking pot all day.

The story of Job illustrates this point saying Gods true desire to to build a relationship with men nothing more even if the relationship goes through rough patches in the end it will be true and honest.
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You are sending me off topic but what the hell.

The good old free will card.

You cannot help but do evil and God is unjust for punishing you for doing what you cannot help but do.

Christians are always trying to absolve God of moral culpability in the fall by whipping out their favorite "free will!", or ď itís all manís faultĒ.

That is "God gave us free will and it was our free willed choices that caused our fall. Hence God is not blameworthy."

But this simply avoids God's culpability as the author of Human Nature. Free will is only the ability to choose. It is not an explanation why anyone would want to choose "A" or "B" (bad or good action). An explanation for why Eve would even have the nature of "being vulnerable to being easily swayed by a serpent" and "desiring to eat a forbidden fruit" must lie in the nature God gave Eve in the first place. Hence God is culpable for deliberately making humans with a nature-inclined-to-fall, and "free will" means nothing as a response to this problem.

If all sin by nature then, the sin nature is dominant. If not, we would have at least some who would not sin.


Having said the above for the God that I do not believe in, I am a Gnostic Christian naturalist, let me tell you that evil is all human generated. Evil is our responsibility.

Much has been written to explain what I see as a natural part of evolution.

Consider.
First, let us eliminate what some see as evil. Natural disasters. These are unthinking occurrences and are neither good nor evil. There is no intent to do evil even as victims are created.

Evil then is only human to human.
As evolving creatures, all we ever do, and ever can do, is compete or cooperate.
Cooperation we would see as good as there are no victims created. Competition would be seen as evil as it creates a victim. We all are either cooperating, doing good, or competing, doing evil at all times.

Without us doing some of both, we would likely go extinct.

This, to me, explains why there is evil in the world quite well.

Be you a believer in nature, evolution or God, we should all see that what Christians see as something to blame, evil, we should see that what we have, competition, deserves a huge thanks for being available to us.

There is no conflict between nature and God on this issue. This is how things are and should be. We all must do what some will think is evil as we compete and create losers to this competition.

Regards
DL

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 Quoting: Greatest I am



God gave the Angels the freedom to choose and so those who chose against Him availed a way to give this same right to mankind. Although it meant death, and that we would have to disobey God, He already had a way to save us, as Jesus Christ was there in the beginning.

In order to be true free will, to make a 'choice', there must be two things to 'choose' from. In the Garden there was only good; in order to give Adam and Eve true free will, they would then have to be allowed to know and choose evil...and the only way they could know evil was to eat from the forbidden fruit, which was only attainable from The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. Satan's purpose was to prod Eve to take of the fruit in order for us to have this free will and ability to choose for God or not to. He had already proven his ability to influence, as 1/3 of the angels fell for his lies and delusions of grandeur. And so today we still see that influence so as to give each of us the choice to obey and choose for our Creator or to believe the lie from the prince of lies.

God's ways are unfathomable to us. It is sort of like the chicken and the egg. But, even we prepare for disaster though we do not wish it; God did the same thing in Jesus Christ...He IS our life jacket, our medicine and our salvation.
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It was God's plan from the beginning to have Adam and Eve eat the forbidden fruit. This can be demonstrated by the fact that the bible says that Jesus "was crucified from the foundations of the Earth," that is to say, God planned to crucify Jesus as atonement for sin before he even created human beings or God damned sin.

If God had not intended humans to sin from the beginning, why did he build into the Creation this "solution" for sin? Why create a solution for a problem you do not anticipate?

God knew that the moment he said "don't eat from that tree," the die was cast. The eating was inevitable. Eve was merely following the plan.

This then begs the question.

What kind of God would plan and execute the murder of his own son when there was absolutely no need to?

Only an insane God. Thatís who.

The cornerstone of Christianity is human sacrifice, thus showing itĎs immorality.

One of Christianity's highest form of immorality is what they have done to women.
They have denied them equality and subjugated them to men.

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Your morals have been compromised if you maintain your view.
Your indoctrination and brainwashing is complete if you do not test your foolish beliefs and Satan will graet you at deat and not God.

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Duh, religion is bullshit. Isn't it obvious?
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If God were to stop Satan before he even sinned.

It would have cast doubt. God would have let fear control him, and since God is not fearful he took a chance and made creation anyways.

His way of saying he's sorry is the death of Jesus the highest price he could have possibly paid.

Humanity for the rest of time will be a text book example of what happens when sin manifests.

This is the one and only rebellion ever, this possibility had to have been played out eventually since God's been around forever and will be around forever.

Now in heaven when someone asks "are your ways the best?"

God and show them what happened here on earth.

Gods ways are so mysterious he lets to "hit many birds with one stone" and always with love.
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read my posts, then tell me the above is true. the bible says he condones human / child sacrifice, rape of women, slavery, pillaging.

read my posts.
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If God were to stop Satan before he even sinned.

It would have cast doubt. God would have let fear control him, and since God is not fearful he took a chance and made creation anyways.

His way of saying he's sorry is the death of Jesus the highest price he could have possibly paid.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1178940


Only a fool would say that it was a high price to have ones son murdered instead of God himself stepping up.

It is quite easy to kill a son as compared to sacrificing ones self and God took the easy way out.

Who would you sacrifice fool?

Your son or would you have the balls to step up.

Who should bury who?
Should fathers bury sons or sons bury fathers.

Answer honestly if you can be honest at all with your twised morality.

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If God were to stop Satan before he even sinned.

It would have cast doubt. God would have let fear control him, and since God is not fearful he took a chance and made creation anyways.

His way of saying he's sorry is the death of Jesus the highest price he could have possibly paid.

Humanity for the rest of time will be a text book example of what happens when sin manifests.

This is the one and only rebellion ever, this possibility had to have been played out eventually since God's been around forever and will be around forever.

Now in heaven when someone asks "are your ways the best?"

God and show them what happened here on earth.

Gods ways are so mysterious he lets to "hit many birds with one stone" and always with love.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1178940


read my posts, then tell me the above is true. the bible says he condones human / child sacrifice, rape of women, slavery, pillaging.

read my posts.
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I can't answer Gods actions. I do not know.

I do know humans take things WAAAAAAY to far.

I do know the sacrifices were necessary before Jesus in the old testimate.

Now since Jesus the old law is done away with. Gone. Poof. Done. A new convenient is born.
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Duh, religion is bullshit. Isn't it obvious?
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What is obvious is that your kind or reply is a waste of time if you are trying to correct poor thinking as it will be ignored as a rant by believers.

Get better at argument and stop wasting your time.

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If you test any Christian or someone with faith long enough of course their going to slip up and you will be able to justify anything.

Why don't you just test God? And not with an attitude but for an understanding from God himself to you?

First you need to repent to remove the sin, then you can ask and pray for anything.
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"I do know the sacrifices were necessary before Jesus in the old testimate."

are you trolling or just plain sadistic? wake the fuck up and reclaim your sanity asap.
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If God were to stop Satan before he even sinned.

It would have cast doubt. God would have let fear control him, and since God is not fearful he took a chance and made creation anyways.

His way of saying he's sorry is the death of Jesus the highest price he could have possibly paid.

Humanity for the rest of time will be a text book example of what happens when sin manifests.

This is the one and only rebellion ever, this possibility had to have been played out eventually since God's been around forever and will be around forever.

Now in heaven when someone asks "are your ways the best?"

God and show them what happened here on earth.

Gods ways are so mysterious he lets to "hit many birds with one stone" and always with love.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1178940


read my posts, then tell me the above is true. the bible says he condones human / child sacrifice, rape of women, slavery, pillaging.

read my posts.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1005972


I can't answer Gods actions. I do not know.

I do know humans take things WAAAAAAY to far.

I do know the sacrifices were necessary before Jesus in the old testimate.

Now since Jesus the old law is done away with. Gone. Poof. Done. A new convenient is born.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1178940


Read your bibler much?
Seems not.

Psalm 89 ;34 My covenant I will not break,
Nor alter the word that has gone out of My lips.


Hebrews 8; 7
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.


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If you test any Christian or someone with faith long enough of course their going to slip up and you will be able to justify anything.

Why don't you just test God? And not with an attitude but for an understanding from God himself to you?

First you need to repent to remove the sin, then you can ask and pray for anything.
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You are a disgrace to Canada.

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God does not do Satan's bidding.

As to why God allows evil is because free will offers Humanity the chance to grow.

If God played "super mom" with life he would create dependent's living at home smoking pot all day.

The story of Job illustrates this point saying Gods true desire to to build a relationship with men nothing more even if the relationship goes through rough patches in the end it will be true and honest.
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You are sending me off topic but what the hell.

The good old free will card.

You cannot help but do evil and God is unjust for punishing you for doing what you cannot help but do.

Christians are always trying to absolve God of moral culpability in the fall by whipping out their favorite "free will!", or ď itís all manís faultĒ.

That is "God gave us free will and it was our free willed choices that caused our fall. Hence God is not blameworthy."

But this simply avoids God's culpability as the author of Human Nature. Free will is only the ability to choose. It is not an explanation why anyone would want to choose "A" or "B" (bad or good action). An explanation for why Eve would even have the nature of "being vulnerable to being easily swayed by a serpent" and "desiring to eat a forbidden fruit" must lie in the nature God gave Eve in the first place. Hence God is culpable for deliberately making humans with a nature-inclined-to-fall, and "free will" means nothing as a response to this problem.

If all sin by nature then, the sin nature is dominant. If not, we would have at least some who would not sin.


Having said the above for the God that I do not believe in, I am a Gnostic Christian naturalist, let me tell you that evil is all human generated. Evil is our responsibility.

Much has been written to explain what I see as a natural part of evolution.

Consider.
First, let us eliminate what some see as evil. Natural disasters. These are unthinking occurrences and are neither good nor evil. There is no intent to do evil even as victims are created.

Evil then is only human to human.
As evolving creatures, all we ever do, and ever can do, is compete or cooperate.
Cooperation we would see as good as there are no victims created. Competition would be seen as evil as it creates a victim. We all are either cooperating, doing good, or competing, doing evil at all times.

Without us doing some of both, we would likely go extinct.

This, to me, explains why there is evil in the world quite well.

Be you a believer in nature, evolution or God, we should all see that what Christians see as something to blame, evil, we should see that what we have, competition, deserves a huge thanks for being available to us.

There is no conflict between nature and God on this issue. This is how things are and should be. We all must do what some will think is evil as we compete and create losers to this competition.

Regards
DL

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 Quoting: Greatest I am



God gave the Angels the freedom to choose and so those who chose against Him availed a way to give this same right to mankind. Although it meant death, and that we would have to disobey God, He already had a way to save us, as Jesus Christ was there in the beginning.

In order to be true free will, to make a 'choice', there must be two things to 'choose' from. In the Garden there was only good; in order to give Adam and Eve true free will, they would then have to be allowed to know and choose evil...and the only way they could know evil was to eat from the forbidden fruit, which was only attainable from The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. Satan's purpose was to prod Eve to take of the fruit in order for us to have this free will and ability to choose for God or not to. He had already proven his ability to influence, as 1/3 of the angels fell for his lies and delusions of grandeur. And so today we still see that influence so as to give each of us the choice to obey and choose for our Creator or to believe the lie from the prince of lies.

God's ways are unfathomable to us. It is sort of like the chicken and the egg. But, even we prepare for disaster though we do not wish it; God did the same thing in Jesus Christ...He IS our life jacket, our medicine and our salvation.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28751676


It was God's plan from the beginning to have Adam and Eve eat the forbidden fruit. This can be demonstrated by the fact that the bible says that Jesus "was crucified from the foundations of the Earth," that is to say, God planned to crucify Jesus as atonement for sin before he even created human beings or God damned sin.

If God had not intended humans to sin from the beginning, why did he build into the Creation this "solution" for sin? Why create a solution for a problem you do not anticipate?

God knew that the moment he said "don't eat from that tree," the die was cast. The eating was inevitable. Eve was merely following the plan.

This then begs the question.

What kind of God would plan and execute the murder of his own son when there was absolutely no need to?

Only an insane God. Thatís who.

The cornerstone of Christianity is human sacrifice, thus showing itĎs immorality.

One of Christianity's highest form of immorality is what they have done to women.
They have denied them equality and subjugated them to men.

[link to www.youtube.com]

[link to www.youtube.com]

[link to www.youtube.com]


Your morals have been compromised if you maintain your view.
Your indoctrination and brainwashing is complete if you do not test your foolish beliefs and Satan will graet you at deat and not God.

Regards
DL
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And yet, if a human father dies to save his own son he is a hero. You have a very sad, sad way of twisting God into a monster when what He did was out of love, the same way a father or mother loves their own children. If you must look for such ways to do this, then I just feel sorry for you. :(
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If you test any Christian or someone with faith long enough of course their going to slip up and you will be able to justify anything.

Why don't you just test God? And not with an attitude but for an understanding from God himself to you?

First you need to repent to remove the sin, then you can ask and pray for anything.
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You are a disgrace to Canada.

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My belief is one thing.

But I want to too seriously re think your statement.

See all the red on the flag? Some of that is my family's blood fought in both WW1 and WW2.

I have every right to speak my mind.
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God is the only good. If you were perfect you would be God. In that case where would be the difference, since one cannot be more perfect than perfect, more pure than pure? Where would be creation reduced to a perfect state? Just as the Sun illumitates and yet is not illuminated by any, just so God illuminates all things but remains unstained by any illuminated object.

"What I must stand for is my personal free-will, and what it can do for me when I am in the right mood to use it."
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See the contradiction, "when I am in the right mood". Which agency places one in the right mood?

Why chop off your arms and legs to prove you are free without them, that they are a burden and a hindance?

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You are sending me off topic but what the hell.

The good old free will card.

You cannot help but do evil and God is unjust for punishing you for doing what you cannot help but do.

Christians are always trying to absolve God of moral culpability in the fall by whipping out their favorite "free will!", or ď itís all manís faultĒ.

That is "God gave us free will and it was our free willed choices that caused our fall. Hence God is not blameworthy."

But this simply avoids God's culpability as the author of Human Nature. Free will is only the ability to choose. It is not an explanation why anyone would want to choose "A" or "B" (bad or good action). An explanation for why Eve would even have the nature of "being vulnerable to being easily swayed by a serpent" and "desiring to eat a forbidden fruit" must lie in the nature God gave Eve in the first place. Hence God is culpable for deliberately making humans with a nature-inclined-to-fall, and "free will" means nothing as a response to this problem.

If all sin by nature then, the sin nature is dominant. If not, we would have at least some who would not sin.


Having said the above for the God that I do not believe in, I am a Gnostic Christian naturalist, let me tell you that evil is all human generated. Evil is our responsibility.

Much has been written to explain what I see as a natural part of evolution.

Consider.
First, let us eliminate what some see as evil. Natural disasters. These are unthinking occurrences and are neither good nor evil. There is no intent to do evil even as victims are created.

Evil then is only human to human.
As evolving creatures, all we ever do, and ever can do, is compete or cooperate.
Cooperation we would see as good as there are no victims created. Competition would be seen as evil as it creates a victim. We all are either cooperating, doing good, or competing, doing evil at all times.

Without us doing some of both, we would likely go extinct.

This, to me, explains why there is evil in the world quite well.

Be you a believer in nature, evolution or God, we should all see that what Christians see as something to blame, evil, we should see that what we have, competition, deserves a huge thanks for being available to us.

There is no conflict between nature and God on this issue. This is how things are and should be. We all must do what some will think is evil as we compete and create losers to this competition.

Regards
DL

----------------------------

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 Quoting: Greatest I am



God gave the Angels the freedom to choose and so those who chose against Him availed a way to give this same right to mankind. Although it meant death, and that we would have to disobey God, He already had a way to save us, as Jesus Christ was there in the beginning.

In order to be true free will, to make a 'choice', there must be two things to 'choose' from. In the Garden there was only good; in order to give Adam and Eve true free will, they would then have to be allowed to know and choose evil...and the only way they could know evil was to eat from the forbidden fruit, which was only attainable from The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. Satan's purpose was to prod Eve to take of the fruit in order for us to have this free will and ability to choose for God or not to. He had already proven his ability to influence, as 1/3 of the angels fell for his lies and delusions of grandeur. And so today we still see that influence so as to give each of us the choice to obey and choose for our Creator or to believe the lie from the prince of lies.

God's ways are unfathomable to us. It is sort of like the chicken and the egg. But, even we prepare for disaster though we do not wish it; God did the same thing in Jesus Christ...He IS our life jacket, our medicine and our salvation.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28751676


It was God's plan from the beginning to have Adam and Eve eat the forbidden fruit. This can be demonstrated by the fact that the bible says that Jesus "was crucified from the foundations of the Earth," that is to say, God planned to crucify Jesus as atonement for sin before he even created human beings or God damned sin.

If God had not intended humans to sin from the beginning, why did he build into the Creation this "solution" for sin? Why create a solution for a problem you do not anticipate?

God knew that the moment he said "don't eat from that tree," the die was cast. The eating was inevitable. Eve was merely following the plan.

This then begs the question.

What kind of God would plan and execute the murder of his own son when there was absolutely no need to?

Only an insane God. Thatís who.

The cornerstone of Christianity is human sacrifice, thus showing itĎs immorality.

One of Christianity's highest form of immorality is what they have done to women.
They have denied them equality and subjugated them to men.

[link to www.youtube.com]

[link to www.youtube.com]

[link to www.youtube.com]


Your morals have been compromised if you maintain your view.
Your indoctrination and brainwashing is complete if you do not test your foolish beliefs and Satan will graet you at deat and not God.

Regards
DL
 Quoting: Greatest I am


And yet, if a human father dies to save his own son he is a hero. You have a very sad, sad way of twisting God into a monster when what He did was out of love, the same way a father or mother loves their own children.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28751676


Exactly my point but your morals are reversed and compromised and that is why you cannot hear properly.

We would both praise a father who sarifices himself for his child and here you are praising a father who has his son killed instead of stepping up.

Try to think strait for God's sake.

Do you not see your own contradictory position?

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all religious people have anxiety disorders to varying degrees (they will deny this, but they know it's true) because they're constantly in fear of putting a foot out of place (hence 'god fearing'), being judged by 'god' and being eternally damned to the lake of fire.

what a tragic existence and waste of life.
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all religious people have anxiety disorders to varying degrees (they will deny this, but they know it's true) because they're constantly in fear of putting a foot out of place (hence 'god fearing'), being judged by 'god' and being eternally damned to the lake of fire.

what a tragic existence and waste of life.
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No argument.

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Op who do you say God is. Please state the specific names. And say who satan is. Be very specific.
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Job is one of the finest pieces of literature ever written.
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rofl

and any attribute of God can never be thought of without considering foremost, God cannot lie.
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Ezekiel 14:9
"And if the prophet is enticed to utter a prophecy, I the Lord have enticed that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand against him and destroy him from among my people Israel."

Kings 22:23
"So now the Lord has put a deceiving spirit in the mouths of all these prophets of yours. The Lord has decreed disaster for you."
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These are just willing dupes to play out the role they were created for - to decieve the willingly blind - God cannot lie, but there are plenty of volunteers in the waiting, thinking they are in control - they get a chance to prove just what spirit they are of - decieving and BEING deceived - God wins and they play the part of fools - to their own destruction. It was always in them to do so which is to bring themselves to their final destruction
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your god lies, your religion is about lies, and YOU are a liar. you are lying to me right now. and for what? to trap me in your web of lies just like you are trapped.
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job asked God many questions, but when God came down asking the questions, job couldn't answer any of the 83 questions...

you question too much and believe too little
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South African religitards...I have to live in a country populated with idiots like you.
Jesus!!!