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Yes, I smoke ...

 
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Whatever then... Smoke away....
For the record, I would still like to keep smoking if my body permited it. I stopped beacause I don't want to be a burden on those I care about.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1430199


May I, respectfully, ask how many pharmaceuticals you're taking?

Statins are bullshit and squirrel you up and make for erectile dysfunction (not that I actually know you are a man) and blood pressure meds - oh my!

These things are easily controlled with diet and some Niacin. Trust me, my dad-in-law had a heart attack and is almost free of pharms. He finally listened to us - 70+ and still jogging miles.

The medical business is just that - a business - they need you to stay sick or else, how would they exist?

I ask these questions with more respect and concern than you may be able to hear, but, by the way, love you for responding to the thread smile_hear
 Quoting: Turtles Voice


I am not on any meds. Eat mostly raw organic. I'm super healthy except for my lungs. Can't breathe. They have tried to put me on spiriva but I refuse to take it. I hear it dosen't really help in the long run anyway.
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Nice for you to say hugs Loving you!!

Don't take the pharms, but I'm pretty sure we can work this breathing thing out.
 Quoting: Turtles Voice


Thank you. I try to keep active and ride the bike every day to get my cardio going.
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Mayhaps Granny is a very wise lady hf

But roll your own and turn Granny on to it, as well flower
 Quoting: Turtles Voice


I tried rolling my own and they all blow up on me. I can't get the technique down with the slider. :<
 Quoting: black calx


This is the easiest IMO


 Quoting: Gregor Samsa


That's very interesting! Maybe I will look into it. Nice avatar btw. I'm a p-tree fan too.
 Quoting: black calx


ty rockoncheers

yep, it's very easy, i can roll 3-4/per minute with this thingie
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12/05/2012 09:07 PM
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I don't use fluoride toothpaste (make our own out of coconut oil and baking soda and my teeth are better than ever)
 Quoting: Turtles Voice


How much of each? You buy organic coconut oil? I bought a somewhat expensive jar of it at the health food store last week. Still haven't cracked the seal...not sure I bought the right thing. Didn't realize it would be whitish?

Anyway...I'm a smoker too, btw.
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12/05/2012 09:10 PM

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Criss Cross tobacco and Zen tubes for me! I'm not against commercial cigs it's just so much cheaper. They put vanilla and other flavors to smooth the bitterness in comercials but there is nothing like a really fresh tobacco cig rolled yourself!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26242450


I actually grew my own tobacco - hell, I was living in NC - but curing it was a bitch - I didn't have the hot house to cure it in, so finally I used the stove - added vanilla extract to some and cloves to others and then the rest I just cured.

It's not a bad smoke - surprisingly light.
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12/05/2012 09:11 PM
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I roll my own too

Sparrow <--- Brand I smoke

not too bad... 11.59 a bag


for 20 bucks i get a pound of tobacco and 3 cartons of tubes


lasts almost a month... I also smoke it in a pipe


but yeah for 1/3rd the price of a ready rolled carton (marlboro, etc) I can smoke almost a month
 Quoting: Dr. Acula


Do you buy online or locally?

How much are the tubes?
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I don't use fluoride toothpaste (make our own out of coconut oil and baking soda and my teeth are better than ever)
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How much of each? You buy organic coconut oil? I bought a somewhat expensive jar of it at the health food store last week. Still haven't cracked the seal...not sure I bought the right thing. Didn't realize it would be whitish?

Anyway...I'm a smoker too, btw.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10783814


Seems it's equal parts baking soda and coconut oil (although I'd add more coconut) and then some stevia liquid - others use peppermint oil, or tea tree oil to make it a bit sparky and at first - you won't like it, but after a while, the other stuff, the commercial stuff - you'll hate!!
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When I am out partying, having the best time of my life, I love a ciggie. One of the few things I can get still get away with, ha!
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May I, respectfully, ask how many pharmaceuticals you're taking?

Statins are bullshit and squirrel you up and make for erectile dysfunction (not that I actually know you are a man) and blood pressure meds - oh my!

These things are easily controlled with diet and some Niacin. Trust me, my dad-in-law had a heart attack and is almost free of pharms. He finally listened to us - 70+ and still jogging miles.

The medical business is just that - a business - they need you to stay sick or else, how would they exist?

I ask these questions with more respect and concern than you may be able to hear, but, by the way, love you for responding to the thread smile_hear
 Quoting: Turtles Voice


I am not on any meds. Eat mostly raw organic. I'm super healthy except for my lungs. Can't breathe. They have tried to put me on spiriva but I refuse to take it. I hear it dosen't really help in the long run anyway.
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Nice for you to say hugs Loving you!!

Don't take the pharms, but I'm pretty sure we can work this breathing thing out.
 Quoting: Turtles Voice


Thank you. I try to keep active and ride the bike every day to get my cardio going.
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Loving you smile_hear
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Smoker here. I get fucked with at work because I'm a smoker, and I'm the boss. I know what discrimanition is. Funny shit. I'm white. Lol.
That is all...
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12/05/2012 09:16 PM
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My Aussie troll - why you gotta be that way??
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you love it babe

sideways
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quit acting like a retarded perv


:reinfield:
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That's just my Aussie troll - he follows me about chuckle

Can't hate him too much - at least he has good taste.
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lol
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12/05/2012 09:19 PM
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mmmmmmm copd YUMMY.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1430199


sounds like the mantra of the dumb ass, lobotomized, liberal crowd

Get a clue dung beetle, the government is the one pushing the "smoking is bad" crap. That is the same government that intentionally let people die of syphilis (Tuskegee Syphilis Study), tested LSD on its own soldiers (MK-ULTRA "study") and intentionally tested radiation exposure on its own people....OK, dumb ass..."mmmmmm copd YUMMY"...don't forget to drink your fluroide...shhh...nobody let it know that the ADA now recommends against fluoide...that it is used to dumb down a society
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24011342


I smoked for 25 years until the doctor said I have copd. I will more than like have to carry around an oxygen tank as my disease progresses. So you can shut the fuck up now....
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Yeah, I'm sure all the nuclear weapons testing in Nevada, and all the garbage in everything we eat and drink had anything to do with it....
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I'm the only one in my entire family (both sides) who smokes besides my grandmother. She's well into her 80s and she's a battle axe. I wish I never started (in college) and I've quit twice for a few months at a time. Kept waking up a hundred times in the middle of the night. Stopped when I started smoking again. I guess I'll just stick with it. The cost is horrendous though.

Winston lights for me.
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Mayhaps Granny is a very wise lady hf

But roll your own and turn Granny on to it, as well flower
 Quoting: Turtles Voice


I tried rolling my own and they all blow up on me. I can't get the technique down with the slider. :<
 Quoting: black calx


Shitcan the slider and spend 30-40 bucks on a good crank injector.

If I'm in a hurry, I can bust out a pack in 3-4 minutes.
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12/05/2012 09:31 PM
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... I know how PC uncool it is, but I roll my own - Amsterdam shag is my favorite, but right now it's Turkish Export.

Funny enough, I stink far less than those buying the store bought and I'm not consuming carpet glue (fire-safe, they call them). It's hard for me to smoke a store bought smoke.

So are there smokers still about?

Yay to good tobacco!
 Quoting: Turtles Voice


Quit 15 years now, had smoked two packs a day Marlboro Red, cold turkey. Never cheated either.

Nasty habit. Amazing how much better you feel when you don't smoke.

Not as nasty as when I chewed a tin of Kodiak a day in college. That was a REALLY nasty habit.
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Yep i decided to quit as well. I tried juggling smoking and jogging and found they didnt work together. LOL The kew yo quitting is you have to become totaly disgusted by it. In my case i used that tactic and the fact i have a daughter to live for. Im really worried about my mom though. Shes been a heavy smokey for years and Both of her parents died of lung cancer and one of them wasnt even a smoker...
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Interesting point.

My uncles that smoked lived well into their 80s, as did my Grandpa (also a smoker), my Grandmother, not a smoker, although she lived with smokers - also lived well into her 80s.

My aunt that didn't smoke died in her 70s, from cancer, cursing those goddamned smokers that lived longer than her.

My dad passed in his 60s - ate up with cancer - but he was also around during some of those early nuclear explosions during WWII. I swear, I saw his health grow far worse after he listened to the doctors.
 Quoting: Turtles Voice


My experience was the opposite. The smokers in my family all developed either lung cancer, severe COPD, and heart disease with blocked arteries. 3 male members of my family that were heavy smokers died slow, painful deaths in their late 60's and early 70's. Your family must have had good genes.
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Smoker here. I get fucked with at work because I'm a smoker, and I'm the boss. I know what discrimanition is. Funny shit. I'm white. Lol.
 Quoting: j994k


lol

The last bastion of freedom - keep smoking, boss man flower
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My Mom died from smoking, she was only 62 but diagnosed with endstage COPD at 57, usually smokers get the end stage in their 80's, it just goes to show that smoking is like Russian roulette, some people live a loong time with no side affects and some can fall from it early on like my Mom did.

Just quit, it's not worth it. My Mom couldn't breath on her own, don't end up like that it was toture for her and for me I was only in my early 20's I needed her and still do at 35.
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Yep i decided to quit as well. I tried juggling smoking and jogging and found they didnt work together. LOL The kew yo quitting is you have to become totaly disgusted by it. In my case i used that tactic and the fact i have a daughter to live for. Im really worried about my mom though. Shes been a heavy smokey for years and Both of her parents died of lung cancer and one of them wasnt even a smoker...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6409759


Interesting point.

My uncles that smoked lived well into their 80s, as did my Grandpa (also a smoker), my Grandmother, not a smoker, although she lived with smokers - also lived well into her 80s.

My aunt that didn't smoke died in her 70s, from cancer, cursing those goddamned smokers that lived longer than her.

My dad passed in his 60s - ate up with cancer - but he was also around during some of those early nuclear explosions during WWII. I swear, I saw his health grow far worse after he listened to the doctors.
 Quoting: Turtles Voice


My experience was the opposite. The smokers in my family all developed either lung cancer, severe COPD, and heart disease with blocked arteries. 3 male members of my family that were heavy smokers died slow, painful deaths in their late 60's and early 70's. Your family must have had good genes.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21100567



Question - did their slow, painful deaths come under a doctors hand - you know, chemo and radiation - or did they stick it out and meet their faith?

No, disrespect intended - just damned curious.
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Yep i decided to quit as well. I tried juggling smoking and jogging and found they didnt work together. LOL The kew yo quitting is you have to become totaly disgusted by it. In my case i used that tactic and the fact i have a daughter to live for. Im really worried about my mom though. Shes been a heavy smokey for years and Both of her parents died of lung cancer and one of them wasnt even a smoker...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6409759


Interesting point.

My uncles that smoked lived well into their 80s, as did my Grandpa (also a smoker), my Grandmother, not a smoker, although she lived with smokers - also lived well into her 80s.

My aunt that didn't smoke died in her 70s, from cancer, cursing those goddamned smokers that lived longer than her.

My dad passed in his 60s - ate up with cancer - but he was also around during some of those early nuclear explosions during WWII. I swear, I saw his health grow far worse after he listened to the doctors.
 Quoting: Turtles Voice


My experience was the opposite. The smokers in my family all developed either lung cancer, severe COPD, and heart disease with blocked arteries. 3 male members of my family that were heavy smokers died slow, painful deaths in their late 60's and early 70's. Your family must have had good genes.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21100567



Question - did their slow, painful deaths come under a doctors hand - you know, chemo and radiation - or did they stick it out and meet their faith?

No, disrespect intended - just damned curious.
 Quoting: Turtles Voice



well with COPD there are no radiation treatments, nothing but oxygen machines, breathing treatments, tracheotomies, lung reduction surgery if able (sadly my Mom was not a candidate because they said her lungs were too far gone) I kinda don't believe that now I think the insurance didn't want to pay) also cpap machines and the constant CO2 levels which can put people in a coma any given second.
so the existence is of which life breathing feels like sucking thru a straw every day until it eventually kills you and is definitely slow and painful no radiation and chemo needed.

also slow and forever mentally painful if you have children who love you and have to see you like that.

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I'm trying to quit but i get to feeling like i have stuff crawling all over me after an hour of no smoking.

I know i have to quit.

Maybe after Dec 21???

Too much stress right now.

I wish they would do away with them, then i'd have no choice. But that wouldnt be fair to others either.
*sigh*
SPEAK UP. SILENCE IS DEADLY!

I am currently experiencing life at several WTFs per hour.

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Yep i decided to quit as well. I tried juggling smoking and jogging and found they didnt work together. LOL The kew yo quitting is you have to become totaly disgusted by it. In my case i used that tactic and the fact i have a daughter to live for. Im really worried about my mom though. Shes been a heavy smokey for years and Both of her parents died of lung cancer and one of them wasnt even a smoker...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6409759


Interesting point.

My uncles that smoked lived well into their 80s, as did my Grandpa (also a smoker), my Grandmother, not a smoker, although she lived with smokers - also lived well into her 80s.

My aunt that didn't smoke died in her 70s, from cancer, cursing those goddamned smokers that lived longer than her.

My dad passed in his 60s - ate up with cancer - but he was also around during some of those early nuclear explosions during WWII. I swear, I saw his health grow far worse after he listened to the doctors.
 Quoting: Turtles Voice


My experience was the opposite. The smokers in my family all developed either lung cancer, severe COPD, and heart disease with blocked arteries. 3 male members of my family that were heavy smokers died slow, painful deaths in their late 60's and early 70's. Your family must have had good genes.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21100567



Question - did their slow, painful deaths come under a doctors hand - you know, chemo and radiation - or did they stick it out and meet their faith?

No, disrespect intended - just damned curious.
 Quoting: Turtles Voice


I have heard of people dropping dead shortly after they quit. Its scary.
SPEAK UP. SILENCE IS DEADLY!

I am currently experiencing life at several WTFs per hour.

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Yep i decided to quit as well. I tried juggling smoking and jogging and found they didnt work together. LOL The kew yo quitting is you have to become totaly disgusted by it. In my case i used that tactic and the fact i have a daughter to live for. Im really worried about my mom though. Shes been a heavy smokey for years and Both of her parents died of lung cancer and one of them wasnt even a smoker...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6409759


Interesting point.

My uncles that smoked lived well into their 80s, as did my Grandpa (also a smoker), my Grandmother, not a smoker, although she lived with smokers - also lived well into her 80s.

My aunt that didn't smoke died in her 70s, from cancer, cursing those goddamned smokers that lived longer than her.

My dad passed in his 60s - ate up with cancer - but he was also around during some of those early nuclear explosions during WWII. I swear, I saw his health grow far worse after he listened to the doctors.
 Quoting: Turtles Voice


My experience was the opposite. The smokers in my family all developed either lung cancer, severe COPD, and heart disease with blocked arteries. 3 male members of my family that were heavy smokers died slow, painful deaths in their late 60's and early 70's. Your family must have had good genes.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21100567



Question - did their slow, painful deaths come under a doctors hand - you know, chemo and radiation - or did they stick it out and meet their faith?

No, disrespect intended - just damned curious.
 Quoting: Turtles Voice


I have heard of people dropping dead shortly after they quit. Its scary.
SPEAK UP. SILENCE IS DEADLY!

I am currently experiencing life at several WTFs per hour.

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Enjoy it. I do ecigs. Great big ones, with lots of heavy metal.

I had to quit the smokes because of very mild copd, and a chronic horrible cough. The Ecig seems to fix it all. LOVE these things!
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Yep i decided to quit as well. I tried juggling smoking and jogging and found they didnt work together. LOL The kew yo quitting is you have to become totaly disgusted by it. In my case i used that tactic and the fact i have a daughter to live for. Im really worried about my mom though. Shes been a heavy smokey for years and Both of her parents died of lung cancer and one of them wasnt even a smoker...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6409759


Interesting point.

My uncles that smoked lived well into their 80s, as did my Grandpa (also a smoker), my Grandmother, not a smoker, although she lived with smokers - also lived well into her 80s.

My aunt that didn't smoke died in her 70s, from cancer, cursing those goddamned smokers that lived longer than her.

My dad passed in his 60s - ate up with cancer - but he was also around during some of those early nuclear explosions during WWII. I swear, I saw his health grow far worse after he listened to the doctors.
 Quoting: Turtles Voice


My experience was the opposite. The smokers in my family all developed either lung cancer, severe COPD, and heart disease with blocked arteries. 3 male members of my family that were heavy smokers died slow, painful deaths in their late 60's and early 70's. Your family must have had good genes.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21100567



Question - did their slow, painful deaths come under a doctors hand - you know, chemo and radiation - or did they stick it out and meet their faith?

No, disrespect intended - just damned curious.
 Quoting: Turtles Voice


The one that had lung cancer..the answer is yes. chemo and radiation both were used and the cancer spread anyway. It was nearly unbearable for both him and us. And Yes, I have very conflicted emotions about chemo and radiation.

My father developed severe COPD and had issues with oxygen depletion that led to dementia. He had been a very heavy smoker also.

The Doctor's said my uncle's heart disease was directly caused by his heavy smoking. 2 heart attacks. quadruple by-pass surgery, then congestive heart failure.

I know this is only an opinion, but I feel they would all still likely be around today if they hadn't been such heavy smokers. Maybe I am wrong. But I also feel a little anger at what we went through as a result of what smoking did to them. It was horrible. I know there are many other horrible things like this people go through not related to smoking at all, but why add another one to the pile?? At least, that is my emotion about it.
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BTW, for all of those dumb asses who tell you..."smoking will kill you!" Here is the truth:

4% of all non-smokers get lung cancer.

8% of all smokers will get lung cancer.

The anti-smoking crowd acts like, "OMG, you took a puff on a cigarette...you'll be dead in a few minutes!" Total BS!

Those who like to lie with statistics will tell you...smoking increases your chances of getting lung cancer by 100%....yeah...that is relatively, because 8 is 100% bigger than 4....now looking at it absolutely...1 in 25 not smoking get lung cancer, 1 in about 13 smokers get lung cancer.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24011342


hugs

Love reason!

But I think the statistics may be a little misinterpreted. Because any death from a smoker - any death - even if they are 96 and smoked at some point in their life is called due to smoking.

I actually think, if truth were told, the instances of non-smokers getting lung cancer is higher than smokers - why else did they come up with the second-hand smoke thing - which the researchers called them on the carpet about, but didn't stop the media from reporting. And now there is third hand smoke. "Don't buy a used car from a smoker - it'll kill you and your kids!!"

And I'm sure you are familiar with the cancer society - that if you survive the chemo for five years - and die the next day, they add that to the stats of survival - not encompassing what that chemo did to your body and how you suffered.

I hate the world, btw, but thanks for adding input

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Paraphrasing a cancer society commercial I heard on the radio several times a couple of years ago:

"120,000 Americans die each year of lung cancer and over half of them never smoked..."
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... I know how PC uncool it is, but I roll my own - Amsterdam shag is my favorite, but right now it's Turkish Export.

Funny enough, I stink far less than those buying the store bought and I'm not consuming carpet glue (fire-safe, they call them). It's hard for me to smoke a store bought smoke.

So are there smokers still about?

Yay to good tobacco!
 Quoting: Turtles Voice


I quit about 8 years ago. I LOVED each and every cigarette I ever smoked, but now I'm happy that I no longer do. Enjoy your smoke, it's good stuff, but not for everyone.
"When tyrants tremble in their fear, and hear their death knell ringing,
When friends rejoice both far and near, how can I keep from singing"

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Turtle.

Why did you post this?

If you were truly comfortable being a smoker and "to hell with everyone's judgment", then you would not post this.

YOU HAVE TO DECIDE WHAT YOU IMAGINE YOUR IMAGE OF YOURSELF IS.

tHAT BEING THE CASE, YOU HAVE TO ASK: aM i THIS BODY WITH ITS CRAVINGS AND DESIRE?

The real Turtle, like all self-conscious beings, are sitting on the side-lines and watching their waking-self playing a particular role in a drama.

It is more import for Turtle to know her Self.

Whatever you can observe, as a witness, like in your dream time dramas, is True.

Smoking, or any other social function changes with the times.

Why did you post this thread?

Do you really want to be tobacco free?

Do you really want to be concept free?

Prior to your birth and a thousand years hence,

what were you?

PERFECT.
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12/05/2012 10:13 PM

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I love good tobaccos! Prefer them in a meerschaum pipe to paper wrappers, though. Ladies are still looked at askance when smoking pipes.

I switched to vaping two years ago this November as finding non-fire safety cigarettes was nigh on to impossible. And, finding quality, frehsh pipe tobaccos was becoming a bit difficult.

One day the politically correct crowd will face their own daemons. Imagine the rabid slavering Anti-Tobacco Parent facing their Precious Snowflake as it reclines after dinner savouring a fresh Perique & Burley cigarette.
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12/05/2012 10:17 PM

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Interesting point.

My uncles that smoked lived well into their 80s, as did my Grandpa (also a smoker), my Grandmother, not a smoker, although she lived with smokers - also lived well into her 80s.

My aunt that didn't smoke died in her 70s, from cancer, cursing those goddamned smokers that lived longer than her.

My dad passed in his 60s - ate up with cancer - but he was also around during some of those early nuclear explosions during WWII. I swear, I saw his health grow far worse after he listened to the doctors.
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My experience was the opposite. The smokers in my family all developed either lung cancer, severe COPD, and heart disease with blocked arteries. 3 male members of my family that were heavy smokers died slow, painful deaths in their late 60's and early 70's. Your family must have had good genes.
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Question - did their slow, painful deaths come under a doctors hand - you know, chemo and radiation - or did they stick it out and meet their faith?

No, disrespect intended - just damned curious.
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well with COPD there are no radiation treatments, nothing but oxygen machines, breathing treatments, tracheotomies, lung reduction surgery if able (sadly my Mom was not a candidate because they said her lungs were too far gone) I kinda don't believe that now I think the insurance didn't want to pay) also cpap machines and the constant CO2 levels which can put people in a coma any given second.
so the existence is of which life breathing feels like sucking thru a straw every day until it eventually kills you and is definitely slow and painful no radiation and chemo needed.

also slow and forever mentally painful if you have children who love you and have to see you like that.
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I understand that it is not always chemo or "the radiation", but how many pharms? All the folks I know with copd are on a horde of pharms. Hell, my dad carried a tackle box of pharms and that was in 1990 - I can't imagine now - chemo and radiation are not the worst things and if folks are going to docs - I know there are pharms ...

Again, I mean no disrespect and totally understand how it is to be a kid losing your parent too soon, but how many pharms?
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12/05/2012 10:18 PM

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Quit last week never felt better im full of energy, can breathe, it isnt hard to get up in the morning, look better and dont stink. Ive got more time to take up other hobbies instead of one that helps kill me. I quit cold turkey you should try it for your own sake just see how u feel
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Done it a few times, listening to those outside of me - yes, I have been a non-smoker many times, but I have to say - smoking is good - it prevents Alzheimer's and Parkinson's and prolly other things.

If'n I die of cancer - they'll all say it's due to smoking and not my time getting C-scans and listening to docs and taking their pills.

Now, I don't go to docs - almost at the longest I've ever been without another organ removed and another surgery - pray for me, nearly the longest I've spent without surgery!! Woohooo!!!
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Get yourself some Milk Thistle in Sea Buckthorn Berry... It's a great antioxidant, detoxifies the body of the carcinogens you've been in contact with, it stimulates the production of new liver cells to replace damaged ones and the Buckthorn Berry helps reduce inflammation and the synergistic combination has many other benefits as well. Smokers and non- smokers alike would benefit from this.
Don’t ever think that its cigarettes alone that cause cancer… Like anything we are exposed to in today’s world, they have carcinogens, but there are far worse carcinogens we are exposed to that the government covers up because it doesn’t fit their agenda, or should I say their funders’ agenda.

- Funny how the increase in cancers coincides with the start of nuclear bomb testing

- Funny how countries that have never had nuclear tests and have the highest rates per capita, have some of the lowest rates of cancer.

- Funny how rats subjected to cigarette smoke had lower cancer rates than rats who were not subjected to cigarette smoke when both groups were put in an environment with nuclear fallout.

- Funny how those same rats, one group subjected to cigarette smoke, the other group in normal non-smokey environment, didn’t show any significant difference in cancer rates.

- Funny how those research results didn’t make it to the news, and scientists were not allowed to publish their results… and had to quit and secretly put their findings on the internet.

You may want to look up some of the research out there that has been posted on this site in the past year. Very, very interesting. I wish I could remember the names of those documentaries.. I will check to see if I've saved any of them.