Yes, I smoke ...

So was smoking listed as the cause of death?

It has to be smoking right, it couldn't have been pollution from cars or factories, couldn't have been caused by nuclear weapons testing, and it couldn't have been from the endless amount of chemicals we are subjected to in everything we eat and drink.I'm sure the added chemicals in cigarettes or the tubes wasn't a factor either.

I am truly sorry for the early loss of your mother, but to sit here and tell us it's from smoking is just intellectually dishonest.

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"Cigarette smoke exposure to animals appears to be the best approximation to human COPD: a form of emphysema, small airway remodeling, and pulmonary hypertension can be produced (Table 1). Mucus hypersecretion is more problematic. One important downside to these models is that production of either emphysema or small airway remodeling takes months of smoke exposure (usually on the order of 6 mo) and thus is an expensive and time-consuming proposition. However, the most important limitation of smoke models, no matter what species is selected and no matter how long animals are smoked, is that the disease they produce is mild, probably equivalent to human GOLD (24, 115) stage 1 or 2 disease. In humans, the majority of morbidity and mortality occurs in patients with GOLD stage 3 or 4 disease (FEV1 <50% predicted), but the type of severe emphysema or severe small airway remodeling found in GOLD stage 3 or 4 patients simply cannot be reproduced in animals using smoke exposure. Last, in advanced GOLD stage patients, COPD frequently progresses even after the patient stops smoking, but this phenomenon has not been reproduced in animal models, where cessation of smoke exposure leaves the animals with stable, nonprogressive emphysema, and goblet cell metasplasia regresses

So correct, Mr. Two Cents (although I don't actually know you are a man).

See, you can't smoke in a roadside cafe, but which is worse? A cig or carbon monoxide being spewed from thousands of cars, kept inside a little tunnel of a downtown street.

Yeah, it's the cigarettes giving you cancer. Not your car ... Not the pharms ... Or the outpouring of any city street or subway in America or the UK or any other country. Yep, it's the smokes.

Jesum crow!!

You know, well you should know, I hate the world - cuz what the fuck (btw, I actually wrote that song, lol).

[link to www.ustream.tv]

Guess what? You still stink. And you are still depriving your arteries of oxygen.

You must stop immediately with all this logic and critical thinking stuff.

You might break GLP.

I'm a smoker and i found that post unnecessary.

Actually, I don't stink - evidently I spell like vanilla. And no, my arteries are extremely hardy - go figure.

Second best laugh tonight - Thanks T-1000!!

If that were true you wouldn't have been born. Amost everyone, everywhere smoked years ago. In buses, trains restaurants, cinema's.

Back in those days everyone passive smoked and it didn't make anyone sick. It has only done that since it became popular to make smokers the new witch to burn at the stake.

Your stinking car does much more damage to people lungs every time you start it, than a chain smoker could ever do.

Perhaps you should reevaluate your definition of selfishness and add that you are a self-righteous pompous entity whose shortcomings are currently hidden from view when describing yourself.

You add all weaknesses except your own weaknesses how horrifically sad and closed minded are you.

I have had it up to HERE with the war against smokers. What about the war against drinking and driving?

Can any of u say u would rather be dealing with a drunk rather than a smoker?

Get real! All the war against smokers has done is made it harder for someone like my Mom ...86 to afford her cigs...my gosh, smoking her cigarette with her morning coffee is the highlight of her day. I ought to know...she lives with me.

I will tell you one thing...you people have no tolerance for others. That in itself is much worse than being a smoker...in my book!

Get real......grrrrrrrrrrr!

Last Edited by Krystal on 12/05/2012 11:29 PM

Why? I made it clear that i take no joy in this persons sadness from the loss of their mother.

I didn't make fun of them either, and I didn't attack them personally.

This whole "we must have political correctness in lieu of sometimes unpleasant honesty" has really fucked this planet up.

You sound like you need a nap...

Have mommy put on your favorite barney video, you'll feel better when you wake up.

My pleasure...

That's just the way most Oztards are.

You know, being the descendants of England's refuse, and all.

Oh my goodness - I love you because you speak truth.

You know, in this world, now folks hate the old folk because they think they're taking something out of their pocket - not understanding the 30, 40, 50 years these people worked to get a miniscule check every month.

She prolly only gets 800 to 1000 bucks a month after working a freaking lifetime and yes, they keep raising the price of cigs, not making them illegal, but using the taxes to fund every-god-damned-thing.

They'll get it soon, when their own taxes rise and they have to struggle to take their youngens to a fast food joint on the weekend.

I quit smoking 4 months ago. It's hard to explain, but I feel like I'm in mourning for the loss of a dear friend.

That's right...she gets a check every month from ss, and that is her income. She does live with me, and that helps alot.

U know, my Papaw was a tobacco farmer...salt of the earth, and he died in his seventies of a heart attack. He did not smoke...strangly enough.

I am just soooo sick of this crap they put us through.

sadly we were the generation 'they got'

growing up you want to emulate adults.

cowboy = malborough
beach = long beach
camel = explorer and adventurous

now they are still legal, cost a fortune and you are now a periah for doing something that was blatently advertised as fun, safe and don't forget the words 'sophisticated and worldly'.

the children of today have the opinion that you are doing something naughty, but have NO IDEA, how cleverly we were inticed into a life time of a stupid (as we know now) habbit.

doctors were used in advertising 'the smoother taste' of a certain brand, hot chicks stood outside the walkway offering a different brand free for your last cig, shit, you used to be able to smoke on airplanes and buses etc... even teachers smoked.... the list goes on... apparently more addictive than heroin... but they still reap the whirlwind of taxes.... bastages.... i want my money back....

Last Edited by Citizenperth on 12/05/2012 11:49 PM

Smoking is akin to Sainthood compared to the Industrial Abortion Complex.

So right!

Ok, I agree with that - curse me for burning leaves in my fingers, but ...

Sorry I just got back on, well my Mom was diagnosed in 1999 so the pharms were mainly anti anxiety pills such as klonapin and another I don't remember as well as breathing treatments.
she wasn't on any of these COPD commercial drugs they have now if there were out back then they were never offered to her. now that I am older I am beginning to believe that it was her lack of insurance that stopped the treatment that could of possibly made it easier for her, she was getting assistance as well as my Dad's insurance but he was ill at the same time so the insurance companies weren't doing very much, the state had a program that helped along with private insurance for her illness but now I'm thinking it was just to sustain and not repair or help, I hope I'm wrong but who knows.
I wish I knew then what I know now I will tell you that, I would of had them checking to see if she was a candidate for lung reduction surgery instead of just taking their word for it.

Thank you for your kind words I lost both my parents with in a year and a half of each other, my Mom was 62 and my Dad was 55, as you can imagine growing up with parents who smoked and my Mom would cough her brains out since I was a kid to have her die from them makes me want to tell everyone who smokes to quit.

BUT my sister in law's mother is 75 been smoking since a teenager and can dance and walk around, coughs but still functions just fine.

I truly believe it's like Russian roulette and they can kill some and only slightly hurt others and a lot of people will ignore the warning signs such as cough that refuses to go away. If you quit the damage quits with you.

Good luck to you, I truly hope and pray you will never have to go thru what my Mom did, it haunts me today. I will never ever get over it.

I know you didn't and you weren't cold hearted in any way. I could be wrong but it kinda sounded like you defended smokes which was a little beyond me.

Yet the government is playing both sides of the smoking issue as they realize where their money is made if revenue is lost all country governments will bellow that the rich must pay more to cover the slack.

That is a humorous proposition as for some reason governments feel this could be a long time solution negating all lessons failed from previous filed socialist/communist countries, as you cannot motivate the shakers and movers if all goes to the government and the sentiment goes to drug or alcohol abuse and non-effort with a why bother attitude.

Turtle I am a smoker as well. Store bought though. I hate that people look down on you for smoking. I try not to judge people so it can get to me when I get judged for smoking. My daughter has had friends whose parents won't let them be friends out of school because the parents have found out I smoke.

Well I honestly can only answer your question by experience, she smoked 2 packs a day, she coughed her brains out every day though she never had any asthma or attacks she just smoked like a chimney.
she ignored the warning signs and refused to quit. She was active and it didn't seem to affect her until my father became ill and she seemed to of given up, she wouldn't leave the house she would sit all the time and smoke smoke smoke, she was a tiny little lady 5'1 and 100 pounds.

one day she woke up and couldn't breath and her lips were blue...took her to the hospital and the xray showed pneumonia and blackness, I asked the doctor where are her lungs? and he said, you see the black? I said yes and he said that's her lungs, they have no more elasticity the are pressing down on her diaphram. she has end stage COPD.
I was told this by doctors and believe it, but like I said in my other post I wish I knew then what I know now...there could of been more going on but I was 22 going on 16 lol I didn't know to ask questions and research. breaks my heart to this day.

like one poster said on here, I truly believed if she never put a cigarette to her mouth or was strong enough to quit, she would still be here. :-(

I don't agree with smoking but those parents that won't let their children play with your daughter are douchebags.

Yes, those parents don't want their kids to befriend your kids, but I'd love to look in their medicine cabinet - is a xanax or a valium worse than a cigarette? What about the liquor cabinet? Couple bottles of wine or a bottle of Jack is certainly better than a couple smokes!

Hugs to you and karma

Last Edited by Turtles Voice on 12/06/2012 12:10 AM