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T-1000
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My Mom died from smoking, she was only 62 but diagnosed with endstage COPD at 57

 Quoting: GooliaJulia


So was smoking listed as the cause of death?

It has to be smoking right, it couldn't have been pollution from cars or factories, couldn't have been caused by nuclear weapons testing, and it couldn't have been from the endless amount of chemicals we are subjected to in everything we eat and drink.I'm sure the added chemicals in cigarettes or the tubes wasn't a factor either.

I am truly sorry for the early loss of your mother, but to sit here and tell us it's from smoking is just intellectually dishonest.

[link to ajplung.physiology.org]

"Cigarette smoke exposure to animals appears to be the best approximation to human COPD: a form of emphysema, small airway remodeling, and pulmonary hypertension can be produced (Table 1). Mucus hypersecretion is more problematic. One important downside to these models is that production of either emphysema or small airway remodeling takes months of smoke exposure (usually on the order of 6 mo) and thus is an expensive and time-consuming proposition. However, the most important limitation of smoke models, no matter what species is selected and no matter how long animals are smoked, is that the disease they produce is mild, probably equivalent to human GOLD (24, 115) stage 1 or 2 disease. In humans, the majority of morbidity and mortality occurs in patients with GOLD stage 3 or 4 disease (FEV1 <50% predicted), but the type of severe emphysema or severe small airway remodeling found in GOLD stage 3 or 4 patients simply cannot be reproduced in animals using smoke exposure. Last, in advanced GOLD stage patients, COPD frequently progresses even after the patient stops smoking, but this phenomenon has not been reproduced in animal models, where cessation of smoke exposure leaves the animals with stable, nonprogressive emphysema, and goblet cell metasplasia regresses
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Yep i decided to quit as well. I tried juggling smoking and jogging and found they didnt work together. LOL The kew yo quitting is you have to become totaly disgusted by it. In my case i used that tactic and the fact i have a daughter to live for. Im really worried about my mom though. Shes been a heavy smokey for years and Both of her parents died of lung cancer and one of them wasnt even a smoker...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6409759


Interesting point.

My uncles that smoked lived well into their 80s, as did my Grandpa (also a smoker), my Grandmother, not a smoker, although she lived with smokers - also lived well into her 80s.

My aunt that didn't smoke died in her 70s, from cancer, cursing those goddamned smokers that lived longer than her.

My dad passed in his 60s - ate up with cancer - but he was also around during some of those early nuclear explosions during WWII. I swear, I saw his health grow far worse after he listened to the doctors.
 Quoting: Turtles Voice


That's because new research is showing that the second hand smoke YOU BLOW OUT in the path of non-smokers is more lethal than the shit you're ingesting.

So you may think oh yeah it's your right to smoke, but what you are actually doing is killing the non-smoking population walking in the path of your smoke by persisting with your smelly stinky filthy habit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28751940


AC that is what the government wants you to believe. Research showing the opposite isn't allowed to be published.
Cigarette smoke is not the worst thing you breathe in by a long shot.
Smelly, that I can't argue with, but then so are some sewer caps on sidewalks and roads.. there's one right outside of our work place.. bet that has more damaging effects than my cigarette!

 Quoting: my2centsworth


So correct, Mr. Two Cents (although I don't actually know you are a man).

See, you can't smoke in a roadside cafe, but which is worse? A cig or carbon monoxide being spewed from thousands of cars, kept inside a little tunnel of a downtown street.

Yeah, it's the cigarettes giving you cancer. Not your car ... Not the pharms ... Or the outpouring of any city street or subway in America or the UK or any other country. Yep, it's the smokes.

Jesum crow!!

You know, well you should know, I hate the world - cuz what the fuck (btw, I actually wrote that song, lol).
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... I know how PC uncool it is, but I roll my own - Amsterdam shag is my favorite, but right now it's Turkish Export.

Funny enough, I stink far less than those buying the store bought and I'm not consuming carpet glue (fire-safe, they call them). It's hard for me to smoke a store bought smoke.

So are there smokers still about?

Yay to good tobacco!
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Guess what? You still stink. And you are still depriving your arteries of oxygen.
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Hows the second hand smog and car exhaust treating ya. In my city, some people wear n95 masks riding their bikes downtown. It aint from my cig smoke.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27335908


You must stop immediately with all this logic and critical thinking stuff.

You might break GLP.
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My Mom died from smoking, she was only 62 but diagnosed with endstage COPD at 57

 Quoting: GooliaJulia


So was smoking listed as the cause of death?

It has to be smoking right, it couldn't have been pollution from cars or factories, couldn't have been caused by nuclear weapons testing, and it couldn't have been from the endless amount of chemicals we are subjected to in everything we eat and drink.I'm sure the added chemicals in cigarettes or the tubes wasn't a factor either.

I am truly sorry for the early loss of your mother, but to sit here and tell us it's from smoking is just intellectually dishonest.

[link to ajplung.physiology.org]

"Cigarette smoke exposure to animals appears to be the best approximation to human COPD: a form of emphysema, small airway remodeling, and pulmonary hypertension can be produced (Table 1). Mucus hypersecretion is more problematic. One important downside to these models is that production of either emphysema or small airway remodeling takes months of smoke exposure (usually on the order of 6 mo) and thus is an expensive and time-consuming proposition. However, the most important limitation of smoke models, no matter what species is selected and no matter how long animals are smoked, is that the disease they produce is mild, probably equivalent to human GOLD (24, 115) stage 1 or 2 disease. In humans, the majority of morbidity and mortality occurs in patients with GOLD stage 3 or 4 disease (FEV1 <50% predicted), but the type of severe emphysema or severe small airway remodeling found in GOLD stage 3 or 4 patients simply cannot be reproduced in animals using smoke exposure. Last, in advanced GOLD stage patients, COPD frequently progresses even after the patient stops smoking, but this phenomenon has not been reproduced in animal models, where cessation of smoke exposure leaves the animals with stable, nonprogressive emphysema, and goblet cell metasplasia regresses
 Quoting: T-1000 18959534


I'm a smoker and i found that post unnecessary.
"What you perceive to be becomes your reality."

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... I know how PC uncool it is, but I roll my own - Amsterdam shag is my favorite, but right now it's Turkish Export.

Funny enough, I stink far less than those buying the store bought and I'm not consuming carpet glue (fire-safe, they call them). It's hard for me to smoke a store bought smoke.

So are there smokers still about?

Yay to good tobacco!
 Quoting: Turtles Voice


Guess what? You still stink. And you are still depriving your arteries of oxygen.
 Quoting: ParallaxPam


Actually, I don't stink - evidently I spell like vanilla. And no, my arteries are extremely hardy - go figure.
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Hows the second hand smog and car exhaust treating ya. In my city, some people wear n95 masks riding their bikes downtown. It aint from my cig smoke.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27335908


You must stop immediately with all this logic and critical thinking stuff.

You might break GLP.
 Quoting: T-1000 18959534


laugh laugh

Second best laugh tonight - Thanks T-1000!!
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Yep i decided to quit as well. I tried juggling smoking and jogging and found they didnt work together. LOL The kew yo quitting is you have to become totaly disgusted by it. In my case i used that tactic and the fact i have a daughter to live for. Im really worried about my mom though. Shes been a heavy smokey for years and Both of her parents died of lung cancer and one of them wasnt even a smoker...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6409759


Interesting point.

My uncles that smoked lived well into their 80s, as did my Grandpa (also a smoker), my Grandmother, not a smoker, although she lived with smokers - also lived well into her 80s.

My aunt that didn't smoke died in her 70s, from cancer, cursing those goddamned smokers that lived longer than her.

My dad passed in his 60s - ate up with cancer - but he was also around during some of those early nuclear explosions during WWII. I swear, I saw his health grow far worse after he listened to the doctors.
 Quoting: Turtles Voice


That's because new research is showing that the second hand smoke YOU BLOW OUT in the path of non-smokers is more lethal than the shit you're ingesting.

So you may think oh yeah it's your right to smoke, but what you are actually doing is killing the non-smoking population walking in the path of your smoke by persisting with your smelly stinky filthy habit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28751940



If that were true you wouldn't have been born. Amost everyone, everywhere smoked years ago. In buses, trains restaurants, cinema's.

Back in those days everyone passive smoked and it didn't make anyone sick. It has only done that since it became popular to make smokers the new witch to burn at the stake.

Your stinking car does much more damage to people lungs every time you start it, than a chain smoker could ever do.
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Re: Yes, I smoke ...
Turtle,
you are not really interested in knowledge.

Smoke smoke that cigarette.

Smoke smoke smoke until you smoke yourself to death.

Tell Sanit Peter at the Golden gate

I just hate to make him wait

but I just got to have another cigarette.


p.s.

Turtle identity is extremely selfish.

All smokers, tweekers, food tweekers, boozer tweekers, drug tweekers, jesus/mohamed tweekers are WHAT?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????​??????????????????????????????

sELFISH LITTLE TWEEKERS.

sTOP BEING ALL CIVILIZED AND SOPHISTICATED.

you, tURUTLE, (ME) ALL YOU FUGGING GLP TARDS ARE ADDICTS TO SOMETHING.....

wAKE THE FUCK UP.

WAKE THE FUCK UP.

iT IS ALL BULLSHIT. bITCH.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28099739


Perhaps you should reevaluate your definition of selfishness and add that you are a self-righteous pompous entity whose shortcomings are currently hidden from view when describing yourself.

You add all weaknesses except your own weaknesses how horrifically sad and closed minded are you.
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I have had it up to HERE with the war against smokers. What about the war against drinking and driving?

Can any of u say u would rather be dealing with a drunk rather than a smoker?

Get real! All the war against smokers has done is made it harder for someone like my Mom ...86 to afford her cigs...my gosh, smoking her cigarette with her morning coffee is the highlight of her day. I ought to know...she lives with me.

I will tell you one thing...you people have no tolerance for others. That in itself is much worse than being a smoker...in my book!

Get real......grrrrrrrrrrr!:arb:
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My Mom died from smoking, she was only 62 but diagnosed with endstage COPD at 57

 Quoting: GooliaJulia


So was smoking listed as the cause of death?

It has to be smoking right, it couldn't have been pollution from cars or factories, couldn't have been caused by nuclear weapons testing, and it couldn't have been from the endless amount of chemicals we are subjected to in everything we eat and drink.I'm sure the added chemicals in cigarettes or the tubes wasn't a factor either.

I am truly sorry for the early loss of your mother, but to sit here and tell us it's from smoking is just intellectually dishonest.

[link to ajplung.physiology.org]

"Cigarette smoke exposure to animals appears to be the best approximation to human COPD: a form of emphysema, small airway remodeling, and pulmonary hypertension can be produced (Table 1). Mucus hypersecretion is more problematic. One important downside to these models is that production of either emphysema or small airway remodeling takes months of smoke exposure (usually on the order of 6 mo) and thus is an expensive and time-consuming proposition. However, the most important limitation of smoke models, no matter what species is selected and no matter how long animals are smoked, is that the disease they produce is mild, probably equivalent to human GOLD (24, 115) stage 1 or 2 disease. In humans, the majority of morbidity and mortality occurs in patients with GOLD stage 3 or 4 disease (FEV1 <50% predicted), but the type of severe emphysema or severe small airway remodeling found in GOLD stage 3 or 4 patients simply cannot be reproduced in animals using smoke exposure. Last, in advanced GOLD stage patients, COPD frequently progresses even after the patient stops smoking, but this phenomenon has not been reproduced in animal models, where cessation of smoke exposure leaves the animals with stable, nonprogressive emphysema, and goblet cell metasplasia regresses
 Quoting: T-1000 18959534


I'm a smoker and i found that post unnecessary.
 Quoting: Dapurps


Why? I made it clear that i take no joy in this persons sadness from the loss of their mother.

I didn't make fun of them either, and I didn't attack them personally.

This whole "we must have political correctness in lieu of sometimes unpleasant honesty" has really fucked this planet up.

whatever
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Turtle,
you are not really interested in knowledge.

Smoke smoke that cigarette.

Smoke smoke smoke until you smoke yourself to death.

Tell Sanit Peter at the Golden gate

I just hate to make him wait

but I just got to have another cigarette.


p.s.

Turtle identity is extremely selfish.

All smokers, tweekers, food tweekers, boozer tweekers, drug tweekers, jesus/mohamed tweekers are WHAT?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????​??????????????????????????????

sELFISH LITTLE TWEEKERS.

sTOP BEING ALL CIVILIZED AND SOPHISTICATED.

you, tURUTLE, (ME) ALL YOU FUGGING GLP TARDS ARE ADDICTS TO SOMETHING.....

wAKE THE FUCK UP.

WAKE THE FUCK UP.

iT IS ALL BULLSHIT. bITCH.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28099739


You sound like you need a nap...

Have mommy put on your favorite barney video, you'll feel better when you wake up.
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Hows the second hand smog and car exhaust treating ya. In my city, some people wear n95 masks riding their bikes downtown. It aint from my cig smoke.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27335908


You must stop immediately with all this logic and critical thinking stuff.

You might break GLP.
 Quoting: T-1000 18959534


laugh laugh

Second best laugh tonight - Thanks T-1000!!
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My pleasure...
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show me your snatch.
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My Aussie troll - why you gotta be that way??
 Quoting: Turtles Voice


That's just the way most Oztards are.

You know, being the descendants of England's refuse, and all.
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I have had it up to HERE with the war against smokers. What about the war against drinking and driving?

Can any of u say u would rather be dealing with a drunk rather than a smoker?

Get real! All the war against smokers has done is made it harder for someone like my Mom ...86 to afford her cigs...my gosh, smoking her cigarette with her morning coffee is the highlight of her day. I ought to know...she lives with me.

I will tell you one thing...you people have no tolerance for others. That in itself is much worse than being a smoker...in my book!

Get real......grrrrrrrrrrr!:arb:
 Quoting: Krystal


Oh my goodness - I love you because you speak truth.

You know, in this world, now folks hate the old folk because they think they're taking something out of their pocket - not understanding the 30, 40, 50 years these people worked to get a miniscule check every month.

She prolly only gets 800 to 1000 bucks a month after working a freaking lifetime and yes, they keep raising the price of cigs, not making them illegal, but using the taxes to fund every-god-damned-thing.

They'll get it soon, when their own taxes rise and they have to struggle to take their youngens to a fast food joint on the weekend.
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I quit smoking 4 months ago. It's hard to explain, but I feel like I'm in mourning for the loss of a dear friend.
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I have had it up to HERE with the war against smokers. What about the war against drinking and driving?

Can any of u say u would rather be dealing with a drunk rather than a smoker?

Get real! All the war against smokers has done is made it harder for someone like my Mom ...86 to afford her cigs...my gosh, smoking her cigarette with her morning coffee is the highlight of her day. I ought to know...she lives with me.

I will tell you one thing...you people have no tolerance for others. That in itself is much worse than being a smoker...in my book!

Get real......grrrrrrrrrrr!:arb:
 Quoting: Krystal


Oh my goodness - I love you because you speak truth.

You know, in this world, now folks hate the old folk because they think they're taking something out of their pocket - not understanding the 30, 40, 50 years these people worked to get a miniscule check every month.

She prolly only gets 800 to 1000 bucks a month after working a freaking lifetime and yes, they keep raising the price of cigs, not making them illegal, but using the taxes to fund every-god-damned-thing.

They'll get it soon, when their own taxes rise and they have to struggle to take their youngens to a fast food joint on the weekend.
 Quoting: Turtles Voice


That's right...she gets a check every month from ss, and that is her income. She does live with me, and that helps alot.

U know, my Papaw was a tobacco farmer...salt of the earth, and he died in his seventies of a heart attack. He did not smoke...strangly enough.

I am just soooo sick of this crap they put us through.:sfh:
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sadly we were the generation 'they got'

growing up you want to emulate adults.

cowboy = malborough
beach = long beach
camel = explorer and adventurous

now they are still legal, cost a fortune and you are now a periah for doing something that was blatently advertised as fun, safe and don't forget the words 'sophisticated and worldly'.

the children of today have the opinion that you are doing something naughty, but have NO IDEA, how cleverly we were inticed into a life time of a stupid (as we know now) habbit.

doctors were used in advertising 'the smoother taste' of a certain brand, hot chicks stood outside the walkway offering a different brand free for your last cig, shit, you used to be able to smoke on airplanes and buses etc... even teachers smoked.... the list goes on... apparently more addictive than heroin... but they still reap the whirlwind of taxes.... bastages.... i want my money back....

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Smoking is akin to Sainthood compared to the Industrial Abortion Complex.
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I have had it up to HERE with the war against smokers. What about the war against drinking and driving?

Can any of u say u would rather be dealing with a drunk rather than a smoker?

Get real! All the war against smokers has done is made it harder for someone like my Mom ...86 to afford her cigs...my gosh, smoking her cigarette with her morning coffee is the highlight of her day. I ought to know...she lives with me.

I will tell you one thing...you people have no tolerance for others. That in itself is much worse than being a smoker...in my book!

Get real......grrrrrrrrrrr!:arb:
 Quoting: Krystal


Oh my goodness - I love you because you speak truth.

You know, in this world, now folks hate the old folk because they think they're taking something out of their pocket - not understanding the 30, 40, 50 years these people worked to get a miniscule check every month.

She prolly only gets 800 to 1000 bucks a month after working a freaking lifetime and yes, they keep raising the price of cigs, not making them illegal, but using the taxes to fund every-god-damned-thing.

They'll get it soon, when their own taxes rise and they have to struggle to take their youngens to a fast food joint on the weekend.
 Quoting: Turtles Voice


That's right...she gets a check every month from ss, and that is her income. She does live with me, and that helps alot.

U know, my Papaw was a tobacco farmer...salt of the earth, and he died in his seventies of a heart attack. He did not smoke...strangly enough.

I am just soooo sick of this crap they put us through.:sfh:
 Quoting: Krystal



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Smoking is akin to Sainthood compared to the Industrial Abortion Complex.
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So right! :pjt:
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Smoking is akin to Sainthood compared to the Industrial Abortion Complex.
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Ok, I agree with that - curse me for burning leaves in my fingers, but ...
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My experience was the opposite. The smokers in my family all developed either lung cancer, severe COPD, and heart disease with blocked arteries. 3 male members of my family that were heavy smokers died slow, painful deaths in their late 60's and early 70's. Your family must have had good genes.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21100567



Question - did their slow, painful deaths come under a doctors hand - you know, chemo and radiation - or did they stick it out and meet their faith?

No, disrespect intended - just damned curious.
 Quoting: Turtles Voice



well with COPD there are no radiation treatments, nothing but oxygen machines, breathing treatments, tracheotomies, lung reduction surgery if able (sadly my Mom was not a candidate because they said her lungs were too far gone) I kinda don't believe that now I think the insurance didn't want to pay) also cpap machines and the constant CO2 levels which can put people in a coma any given second.
so the existence is of which life breathing feels like sucking thru a straw every day until it eventually kills you and is definitely slow and painful no radiation and chemo needed.

also slow and forever mentally painful if you have children who love you and have to see you like that.
 Quoting: GooliaJulia


I understand that it is not always chemo or "the radiation", but how many pharms? All the folks I know with copd are on a horde of pharms. Hell, my dad carried a tackle box of pharms and that was in 1990 - I can't imagine now - chemo and radiation are not the worst things and if folks are going to docs - I know there are pharms ...

Again, I mean no disrespect and totally understand how it is to be a kid losing your parent too soon, but how many pharms?
 Quoting: Turtles Voice



Sorry I just got back on, well my Mom was diagnosed in 1999 so the pharms were mainly anti anxiety pills such as klonapin and another I don't remember as well as breathing treatments.
she wasn't on any of these COPD commercial drugs they have now if there were out back then they were never offered to her. now that I am older I am beginning to believe that it was her lack of insurance that stopped the treatment that could of possibly made it easier for her, she was getting assistance as well as my Dad's insurance but he was ill at the same time so the insurance companies weren't doing very much, the state had a program that helped along with private insurance for her illness but now I'm thinking it was just to sustain and not repair or help, I hope I'm wrong but who knows.
I wish I knew then what I know now I will tell you that, I would of had them checking to see if she was a candidate for lung reduction surgery instead of just taking their word for it.

Thank you for your kind words I lost both my parents with in a year and a half of each other, my Mom was 62 and my Dad was 55, as you can imagine growing up with parents who smoked and my Mom would cough her brains out since I was a kid to have her die from them makes me want to tell everyone who smokes to quit.

BUT my sister in law's mother is 75 been smoking since a teenager and can dance and walk around, coughs but still functions just fine.

I truly believe it's like Russian roulette and they can kill some and only slightly hurt others and a lot of people will ignore the warning signs such as cough that refuses to go away. If you quit the damage quits with you.

Good luck to you, I truly hope and pray you will never have to go thru what my Mom did, it haunts me today. I will never ever get over it.

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My Mom died from smoking, she was only 62 but diagnosed with endstage COPD at 57

 Quoting: GooliaJulia


So was smoking listed as the cause of death?

It has to be smoking right, it couldn't have been pollution from cars or factories, couldn't have been caused by nuclear weapons testing, and it couldn't have been from the endless amount of chemicals we are subjected to in everything we eat and drink.I'm sure the added chemicals in cigarettes or the tubes wasn't a factor either.

I am truly sorry for the early loss of your mother, but to sit here and tell us it's from smoking is just intellectually dishonest.

[link to ajplung.physiology.org]

"Cigarette smoke exposure to animals appears to be the best approximation to human COPD: a form of emphysema, small airway remodeling, and pulmonary hypertension can be produced (Table 1). Mucus hypersecretion is more problematic. One important downside to these models is that production of either emphysema or small airway remodeling takes months of smoke exposure (usually on the order of 6 mo) and thus is an expensive and time-consuming proposition. However, the most important limitation of smoke models, no matter what species is selected and no matter how long animals are smoked, is that the disease they produce is mild, probably equivalent to human GOLD (24, 115) stage 1 or 2 disease. In humans, the majority of morbidity and mortality occurs in patients with GOLD stage 3 or 4 disease (FEV1 <50% predicted), but the type of severe emphysema or severe small airway remodeling found in GOLD stage 3 or 4 patients simply cannot be reproduced in animals using smoke exposure. Last, in advanced GOLD stage patients, COPD frequently progresses even after the patient stops smoking, but this phenomenon has not been reproduced in animal models, where cessation of smoke exposure leaves the animals with stable, nonprogressive emphysema, and goblet cell metasplasia regresses
 Quoting: T-1000 18959534


I'm a smoker and i found that post unnecessary.
 Quoting: Dapurps


Why? I made it clear that i take no joy in this persons sadness from the loss of their mother.

I didn't make fun of them either, and I didn't attack them personally.

This whole "we must have political correctness in lieu of sometimes unpleasant honesty" has really fucked this planet up.

whatever
 Quoting: T-1000 18959534


I know you didn't and you weren't cold hearted in any way. I could be wrong but it kinda sounded like you defended smokes which was a little beyond me.
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12/05/2012 11:59 PM

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sadly we were the generation 'they got'

growing up you want to emulate adults.

cowboy = malborough
beach = long beach
camel = explorer and adventurous

now they are still legal, cost a fortune and you are now a periah for doing something that was blatently advertised as fun, safe and don't forget the words 'sophisticated and worldly'.

the children of today have the opinion that you are doing something naughty, but have NO IDEA, how cleverly we were inticed into a life time of a stupid (as we know now) habbit.

doctors were used in advertising 'the smoother taste' of a certain brand, hot chicks stood outside the walkway offering a different brand free for your last cig, shit, you used to be able to smoke on airplanes and buses etc... even teachers smoked.... the list goes on... apparently more addictive than heroin... but they still reap the whirlwind of taxes.... bastages.... i want my money back....
 Quoting: Citizenperth


Yet the government is playing both sides of the smoking issue as they realize where their money is made if revenue is lost all country governments will bellow that the rich must pay more to cover the slack.

That is a humorous proposition as for some reason governments feel this could be a long time solution negating all lessons failed from previous filed socialist/communist countries, as you cannot motivate the shakers and movers if all goes to the government and the sentiment goes to drug or alcohol abuse and non-effort with a why bother attitude.
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Turtle I am a smoker as well. Store bought though. I hate that people look down on you for smoking. I try not to judge people so it can get to me when I get judged for smoking. My daughter has had friends whose parents won't let them be friends out of school because the parents have found out I smoke.
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12/06/2012 12:05 AM

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My Mom died from smoking, she was only 62 but diagnosed with endstage COPD at 57

 Quoting: GooliaJulia


So was smoking listed as the cause of death?

It has to be smoking right, it couldn't have been pollution from cars or factories, couldn't have been caused by nuclear weapons testing, and it couldn't have been from the endless amount of chemicals we are subjected to in everything we eat and drink.I'm sure the added chemicals in cigarettes or the tubes wasn't a factor either.

I am truly sorry for the early loss of your mother, but to sit here and tell us it's from smoking is just intellectually dishonest.

[link to ajplung.physiology.org]

"Cigarette smoke exposure to animals appears to be the best approximation to human COPD: a form of emphysema, small airway remodeling, and pulmonary hypertension can be produced (Table 1). Mucus hypersecretion is more problematic. One important downside to these models is that production of either emphysema or small airway remodeling takes months of smoke exposure (usually on the order of 6 mo) and thus is an expensive and time-consuming proposition. However, the most important limitation of smoke models, no matter what species is selected and no matter how long animals are smoked, is that the disease they produce is mild, probably equivalent to human GOLD (24, 115) stage 1 or 2 disease. In humans, the majority of morbidity and mortality occurs in patients with GOLD stage 3 or 4 disease (FEV1 <50% predicted), but the type of severe emphysema or severe small airway remodeling found in GOLD stage 3 or 4 patients simply cannot be reproduced in animals using smoke exposure. Last, in advanced GOLD stage patients, COPD frequently progresses even after the patient stops smoking, but this phenomenon has not been reproduced in animal models, where cessation of smoke exposure leaves the animals with stable, nonprogressive emphysema, and goblet cell metasplasia regresses
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Well I honestly can only answer your question by experience, she smoked 2 packs a day, she coughed her brains out every day though she never had any asthma or attacks she just smoked like a chimney.
she ignored the warning signs and refused to quit. She was active and it didn't seem to affect her until my father became ill and she seemed to of given up, she wouldn't leave the house she would sit all the time and smoke smoke smoke, she was a tiny little lady 5'1 and 100 pounds.

one day she woke up and couldn't breath and her lips were blue...took her to the hospital and the xray showed pneumonia and blackness, I asked the doctor where are her lungs? and he said, you see the black? I said yes and he said that's her lungs, they have no more elasticity the are pressing down on her diaphram. she has end stage COPD.
I was told this by doctors and believe it, but like I said in my other post I wish I knew then what I know now...there could of been more going on but I was 22 going on 16 lol I didn't know to ask questions and research. breaks my heart to this day.

like one poster said on here, I truly believed if she never put a cigarette to her mouth or was strong enough to quit, she would still be here. :-(
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Turtle I am a smoker as well. Store bought though. I hate that people look down on you for smoking. I try not to judge people so it can get to me when I get judged for smoking. My daughter has had friends whose parents won't let them be friends out of school because the parents have found out I smoke.
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I don't agree with smoking but those parents that won't let their children play with your daughter are douchebags.
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12/06/2012 12:10 AM

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Turtle I am a smoker as well. Store bought though. I hate that people look down on you for smoking. I try not to judge people so it can get to me when I get judged for smoking. My daughter has had friends whose parents won't let them be friends out of school because the parents have found out I smoke.
 Quoting: Rochelle


Yes, those parents don't want their kids to befriend your kids, but I'd love to look in their medicine cabinet - is a xanax or a valium worse than a cigarette? What about the liquor cabinet? Couple bottles of wine or a bottle of Jack is certainly better than a couple smokes!

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