Refute this if you can.

Everything, including "Nothing" is something...

Nothing begets nothing.
Something can beget anything.
Nothing is anything.
(Well... At least it's Something)

Therefore Something can beget Nothing, but Nothing can beget Anything.



Last Edited by Travis Bickle on 12/05/2012 10:06 PM

sound waves need a means of conveyance..............refute this if you can

youve got things to learn yet junior

If this is true, then an idiot does not actually exist. It is just an idea within YOU.



Physical reality is made up of what physical reality is made up of. Call it what you want, but chances are, you have never actually seen that which you call it.

Have you ever really seen an Atom? Did you look all inside it and learn of it all there is to know before you called it "Atom"?

An apple is not an apple. It is something we have labeled an apple. Yet very few have any intimate knowledge of the apple that they label then dismiss as something minor. The poor little apple. Foolish Man never learned that it was really passion fruit.



Yes, yes, complete crap. I get it.

So horrible you just cannot keep yourself from coming in here and letting me know.

With more words....

Oooh man sooo deeep!!!


BUT YOU'RE ALL WRONG.



A-well-a everybody's heard about the bird
B-b-b-bird, bird, bird, b-bird's the word
A-well-a bird, bird, bird, the bird is the word
A-well-a bird, bird, bird, well the bird is the word
A-well-a bird, bird, bird, b-bird's the word
A-well-a bird, bird, bird, well the bird is the word
A-well-a bird, bird, b-bird's the word
A-well-a bird, bird, bird, b-bird's the word
A-well-a bird, bird, bird, well the bird is the word
A-well-a bird, bird, b-bird's the word
A-well-a don't you know about the bird?
Well, everybody knows that the bird is the word!
A-well-a bird, bird, b-bird's the word
A-well-a...

A-well-a everybody's heard about the bird
Bird, bird, bird, b-bird's the word
A-well-a bird, bird, bird, b-bird's the word
A-well-a bird, bird, bird, b-bird's the word
A-well-a bird, bird, b-bird's the word
A-well-a bird, bird, bird, b-bird's the word
A-well-a bird, bird, bird, b-bird's the word
A-well-a bird, bird, bird, b-bird's the word
A-well-a bird, bird, bird, b-bird's the word
A-well-a don't you know about the bird?
Well, everybody's talking about the bird!
A-well-a bird, bird, b-bird's the word
A-well-a bird...

Surfin' bird
Bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb... [retching noises]... aaah!

Pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-
Pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-ooma-mow-mow
Papa-ooma-mow-mow

Papa-ooma-mow-mow, papa-ooma-mow-mow
Papa-ooma-mow-mow, papa-ooma-mow-mow
Ooma-mow-mow, papa-ooma-mow-mow
Papa-ooma-mow-mow, papa-ooma-mow-mow
Papa-ooma-mow-mow, papa-ooma-mow-mow
Oom-oom-oom-oom-ooma-mow-mow
Papa-ooma-mow-mow, papa-oom-oom-oom
Oom-ooma-mow-mow, papa-ooma-mow-mow
Ooma-mow-mow, papa-ooma-mow-mow
Papa-a-mow-mow, papa-ooma-mow-mow
Papa-ooma-mow-mow, ooma-mow-mow
Papa-ooma-mow-mow, ooma-mow-mow
Papa-oom-oom-oom-oom-ooma-mow-mow
Oom-oom-oom-oom-ooma-mow-mow
Ooma-mow-mow, papa-ooma-mow-mow
Papa-ooma-mow-mow, ooma-mow-mow
Well don't you know about the bird?
Well, everybody knows that the bird is the word!
A-well-a bird, bird, b-bird's the word

Papa-ooma-mow-mow, papa-ooma-mow-mow

you fail to realize your words so you say in your op were spoken and written thousands of years before you became to be.

you ask someone to refute what you had to say and then choose to criticize what they have to say or their opinion.

you have much to learn with little time left to learn it.

No, sound waves do not need a means of conveyance. We just think this, because we are "caught" in a 3-dimensional world, where we cannot understand other methods of conveyance. Energy conveys sound waves. God is energy and sound waves. HE holds the entire universe up with His Words. He speaks. Constantly.

God spoke, and the universe was created. Atoms were created. An atom is defined as the smallest unit of which an element is composed. Atoms are made up of sub-atomic particles, i.e. proton, electron, and neutron. Sub-atomic particles are made of of even smaller things, such as quarks.

What is a quark? IT IS SOUND WAVES!

See how this all fits together to show us just how God keeps the universe in His Hands?

quarks originate from nothing...........refute this if you can

the word is feminine..............refute this if you can

Don't need to refute it. You just proved the existence of God AND His Universe!

Which word? Logos is not in feminine form.

oh.............how did i do that?

prove it..............if you can

Words are language, language is learned, one learns from seeking knowledge, thus the "Forbidden Tree of Knowledge" once consumed gave us our intellect and separated us from the animal kingdom.

In my opinion we have been fooled from the start, the so called serpent has been vilified and our dogma has been fooled since day one of the post creation "week".

If it is as so many believe that we were created by GOD it seems knowledge would not be a sin. The male dominated church has commandeered religion to retain power and to keep the masses ignorant and women down.

You said, "quarks originate from nothing..."

GOD said in His Holy Bible, "...and the earth was void and without form, and GOD SAID, let there be light .... and He formed the earth, and the seas and the land under the seas, (etc.)and God said it was Good."

Paraphrasing from Genesis 1. PROVES God created the world from nothing!

come on........i wanna keep playing

Read it for yourself.

[link to www.studylight.org]

I am off to bed, very tired, and cannot debate this any further.

Nice discussion, tho!

look closely at that quote buddy..........it says earth..............not universe

actually the bible does mention God creating the universe.

proof please

You are wrong.
Quoting from the NIV version, it says,

"1 In the beginning God ccreated the heaven and the earth.

"2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

"3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

"4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

"5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first dday.

"6 ¶And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

"7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

"8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second bday.

"9 ¶And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
"
"10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good."

The Bible says He created the HEAVENS AND THE EARTH - the whole universe.

And God SAID. HIS WORDS created the heavens and the earth.

Now I'm done. More tomorrow morning....

heaven indicates earths atmosphere..........refute this if you can

taking a beating is very fatiguing...........particularly in your own thread

Genesis 1 1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

That comes from a quote from John the Baptist and like all OT Prophets he first tell who it is that sent him. In this case it is the singular being called God in the Ge:1. God said (spoke words) and the Holy Spirit made the words become real.
There that wasn't so hard was it?

There may have been a word, but was it spoken, or thought. And if either are the answer, mouth came before word or mind before thought.

heaven indicates earths atmosphere........refute this if you can

Enlighten me Obi-Wan.

read the verses again and you will see there is nothing to refute.