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Axial rotation measurement anomaly *Update on pg 21 - Problem Solved*

 
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Mods, please forgive my cross-posting this from the other thread, but I believe this anomaly deserves its own thread until resolved. Updates will be forthcoming.

While testing the rather silly claim that the constellation Orion moved out of place, I found that Orion was where it should be, but the offset from Polaris to the north celestial pole appears to be off from the expected value by about 6 arcminutes. This may be due to flexure or settling in the flimsy camera tripod, but the only way to know will be to repeat this measurement telescopically. Further posts will detail repeated measurements starting tomorrow if weather allows.

It's been over an hour. Either the shit hit the fan or he fell asleep. Like I should be doing. Or, maybe he is on the phone with NASA. Got to get past pressing 1 a dozen times before you can choose English to proceed. Then there's a ton of red tape to fight your way through which sends you to the janitor. After you convince him he doesn't need to sweep away and hide any dirt, you get a security. need to convince him you arent on GLP by talking about the latest on Fox news, then you get a scientist. When you convince him you aren't asking about Nibiru he may answer.

These things take time.
 Quoting: Serendipitous


It's probably gonna take a while. When he makes a video, he spends a good amount of time on it.
 Quoting: #Geomagnetic_Storm#


Not making a video. Somethings not adding up on the axial rotation measurement (and you all thought I was a "shill" - I'm honest, even when it's very likely nothing at all). Tonight I took a shortcut and just used my SLR with telephoto lens on a tripod rather than hauling out the whole telescope. I also only had a few minutes of a gap between clouds and then it was clouded up completely. But something about this picture I took isn't adding up...
[link to i319.photobucket.com]
I'm consistently coming back to a distance of about 35 arcminutes for Polaris from the north celestial pole. That ain't right. It should be just shy of 41 arcminutes. Now, I've never calibrated this lens astrometrically before tonight, but I used the Polaris image itself as well as an earlier image I shot a few months back and they both resulted in about the same image scale of about 8.2 arcseconds per pixel at the resolution I'm using for analysis. Maybe I screwed my math up somewhere along the way, I'm running on very little sleep and I need to get some now if I'm every going to.

For the sake of sanity in the thread and so that people don't start killing themselves before I can solve this mystery, I've never tried to use my SLR camera by itself for this particular measurement before (I've always used my telescopes with the SLR catching the light at prime focus) and the 300mm telephoto lens I have is rather heavy. I'm thinking something settled or flexed on my camera tripod over the 8 minute exposure, causing the star trails to be artificially shifted by about 6 arcminutes (and for what it's worth, that's a small angle, one fifth the diameter of the moon's disc, it's not something Bubba in his trailer is going to notice just by casually looking and comparing by eye to a mountain range).

The telescopes I normally use are much beefier and sturdier. I'll repeat the measurement telescopically tomorrow. If telescopic measurement confirms it... I'll probably take a sniper bullet in the head because there's no way that kind of change could be kept secret without a mass assassination of every person like me.
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Oh wow. Thanks for checking so earnestly!
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Told y'all he'd be the first to say so when something wasn't right.
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Mods, please forgive my cross-posting this from the other thread, but I believe this anomaly deserves its own thread until resolved. Updates will be forthcoming.

While testing the rather silly claim that the constellation Orion moved out of place, I found that Orion was where it should be, but the offset from Polaris to the north celestial pole appears to be off from the expected value by about 6 arcminutes. This may be due to flexure or settling in the flimsy camera tripod, but the only way to know will be to repeat this measurement telescopically. Further posts will detail repeated measurements starting tomorrow if weather allows.

It's been over an hour. Either the shit hit the fan or he fell asleep. Like I should be doing. Or, maybe he is on the phone with NASA. Got to get past pressing 1 a dozen times before you can choose English to proceed. Then there's a ton of red tape to fight your way through which sends you to the janitor. After you convince him he doesn't need to sweep away and hide any dirt, you get a security. need to convince him you arent on GLP by talking about the latest on Fox news, then you get a scientist. When you convince him you aren't asking about Nibiru he may answer.

These things take time.
 Quoting: Serendipitous


It's probably gonna take a while. When he makes a video, he spends a good amount of time on it.
 Quoting: #Geomagnetic_Storm#


Not making a video. Somethings not adding up on the axial rotation measurement (and you all thought I was a "shill" - I'm honest, even when it's very likely nothing at all). Tonight I took a shortcut and just used my SLR with telephoto lens on a tripod rather than hauling out the whole telescope. I also only had a few minutes of a gap between clouds and then it was clouded up completely. But something about this picture I took isn't adding up...
[link to i319.photobucket.com]
I'm consistently coming back to a distance of about 35 arcminutes for Polaris from the north celestial pole. That ain't right. It should be just shy of 41 arcminutes. Now, I've never calibrated this lens astrometrically before tonight, but I used the Polaris image itself as well as an earlier image I shot a few months back and they both resulted in about the same image scale of about 8.2 arcseconds per pixel at the resolution I'm using for analysis. Maybe I screwed my math up somewhere along the way, I'm running on very little sleep and I need to get some now if I'm every going to.

For the sake of sanity in the thread and so that people don't start killing themselves before I can solve this mystery, I've never tried to use my SLR camera by itself for this particular measurement before (I've always used my telescopes with the SLR catching the light at prime focus) and the 300mm telephoto lens I have is rather heavy. I'm thinking something settled or flexed on my camera tripod over the 8 minute exposure, causing the star trails to be artificially shifted by about 6 arcminutes (and for what it's worth, that's a small angle, one fifth the diameter of the moon's disc, it's not something Bubba in his trailer is going to notice just by casually looking and comparing by eye to a mountain range).

The telescopes I normally use are much beefier and sturdier. I'll repeat the measurement telescopically tomorrow. If telescopic measurement confirms it... I'll probably take a sniper bullet in the head because there's no way that kind of change could be kept secret without a mass assassination of every person like me.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro

 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Thorough as always Astro.
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Thanks Astro, although science is wrong for absolutly everything, you are the only person here I will really believe (that something is wrong).
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Assuming that Polaris is off by 6 degrees - what does that mean for us here on Earth in Layman's terms?

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Bookmarked. Cheers Astro.
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Assuming that Polaris is off by 6 degrees - what does that mean for us here on Earth in Layman's terms?

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It means it's off by 6 degrees. Earth tilt?

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Assuming that Polaris is off by 6 degrees - what does that mean for us here on Earth in Layman's terms?

Thanks hf
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It means we are fucked.

I have never seen astro post bullshit and he has also provided a possible explaination.

In saying that he always double checks his stuff, so rest assured he is fucking perexed right now after double and possible triple checking before taking the time to post.

The explaination of equipment fault ya better hope is the right one, and considering his outline of the equipment, is most likely true.

Give him some rest time and to drag out big bertha to confirm and he will find everything is as it should be.

Now if it was big bertha that gave the initial reading, you should panic.
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5* suggested pin. This should be super-pinned!
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Definitely should be pinned given the OP's reputation here.
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Definitely should be pinned given the OP's reputation here.
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Wait until he repeats the process. If it still is off........

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Assuming that Polaris is off by 6 degrees - what does that mean for us here on Earth in Layman's terms?

Thanks hf
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It's off by 6 arcminutes which is a tiny tiny part of a degree.
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Assuming that Polaris is off by 6 degrees - what does that mean for us here on Earth in Layman's terms?

Thanks hf
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It means we are fucked.

I have never seen astro post bullshit and he has also provided a possible explaination.

In saying that he always double checks his stuff, so rest assured he is fucking perexed right now after double and possible triple checking before taking the time to post.

The explaination of equipment fault ya better hope is the right one, and considering his outline of the equipment, is most likely true.

Give him some rest time and to drag out big bertha to confirm and he will find everything is as it should be.

Now if it was big bertha that gave the initial reading, you should panic.
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No no, thank God. He's bringing out Bertha tonight :)
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"And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale." - Thomas Jefferson, from a Letter to John Taylor written in 1816

"Unfortunately, it is in the nature of man to tinker - even with immutable truth. Thus, we must be ever vigilant... - James Munford

“It is a sad fate for a man to die too well known to everybody else, and still unknown to himself.” - Francis Bacon

"Better the illusions that exalt us than ten thousand truths" - Aleksander Pushkin
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Assuming that Polaris is off by 6 degrees - what does that mean for us here on Earth in Layman's terms?

Thanks hf
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It's off by 6 arcminutes which is a tiny tiny part of a degree.
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So no big deal then?
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I guess we'll find out. I'm interested because Astro thinks there is a problem :) That means there's a problem :D
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"And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale." - Thomas Jefferson, from a Letter to John Taylor written in 1816

"Unfortunately, it is in the nature of man to tinker - even with immutable truth. Thus, we must be ever vigilant... - James Munford

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Astro you may find that the magnetic poles are shifting at a dramatic rate, and possibly the true north and south poles are shifting as well.
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Astro you may find that the magnetic poles are shifting at a dramatic rate, and possibly the true north and south poles are shifting as well.
Matthew 24
Mark 13
Luke 21
John
Those who have ears to hear, listen the Word of is Holy and true.
Jesus/Yahshua Christ is Lord and Savior. Get ready people, govt's, nations.
God Almighty's words will not pass away till all things are fulfilled, may those who are lost will be found and those who saved, are Heavenly Father and Lord Jesus/Yahshua will give us strength in these times.
God bless!
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I think astro might be too busy correlating facts too be looking up bible verses. So glad you chimed in to point out the relevant verses to save him looking thru a thousand pages of crap to support hos findings.
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this is a small fraction of a degree now BUT this could be the slow and gradual beginning of a pole shift that accelerates and eventually becomes catastrophic. The magnetic pole has been moving at least 40 miles per year towards Russia for many years. The Bible repeatedly describes a pole shift, and warns us of the timing with astronomical clues. For a book on pole shifts and End Times prophecy from an astrotheological perspective, see
[link to endtimesand2019.webs.com]
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bumping a pinned thread, so as not to forget...Thanks Astro
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Coming from you, Dr. Astro, this is REALLY BIG!!!!


Awaiting to to see what additional info you develop.



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nothing should be out of place. if it is. big shit going down.
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AND SO IT FUCKING BEGINS...


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Coming from Astromut, it's very serious shit...


I really hope he is RIGHT, and something is REALLY wrong, so I can get some good PANIC SEX!
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I guess we'll find out. I'm interested because Astro thinks there is a problem :) That means there's a problem :D
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Very interesting indeed!
Looking forward to Atro's analysis.

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Zetas right again!
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Zetas right again!
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Bwahahahaha!! ilaugh
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"And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale." - Thomas Jefferson, from a Letter to John Taylor written in 1816

"Unfortunately, it is in the nature of man to tinker - even with immutable truth. Thus, we must be ever vigilant... - James Munford

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I agree a super pin is in order based on this being Dr. Astro.
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