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# Axial rotation measurement anomaly *Update on pg 21 - Problem Solved*

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Assuming your previous calculations are correct, what does that entail?
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Will someone please answer this or has it already been discussed?
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A change in Earth's tilt...
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Thank you!
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Don't know if this relevant, but if the measurement of 6 arcminutes corresponds to a surface movement of around 9 meters, then could this be attributed as being a Chandler Wobble? I'm no scientist but have just Googled "earth wobble effects" and wiki came up with that.
Check it out.
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Chandler wobble is far, far smaller. Too small for me to detect with my telescopes, let alone with a telephoto lens. 6 minutes of arc corresponds to 6 nautical miles or about 11 kilometers of "surface movement." Ridiculous, isn't it? That's why it's extremely likely to be measurement error from flexure, settling, etc.
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Astro - Your readings are off due to the nature of your telescopic setup.
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Quite possible.
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Then why didn't you wait until you could confirm that before posting otherwise? Seeing as that's the most logical explanation, it's kinda odd for you to post a dramatic finding on something that hasn't even been verified...
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Because he is sensing something is not right, and even though he says it could be his equipment I have a feeling he knows better.... so he's giving us a heads up being that this is GLP.
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Ummm taking the measurements with two different instruments..both coming up with the same findings does seem to considerably lessen the degree of falsehood in the measurement, although i suppose a malfunction in one and a malfunction in the other are both possible at the same time..the odds are against it.
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When was the last time you checked the measurement and it was correct?

If Polaris actually IS 6 arcminutes off, then you could roughly guesstimate how the time it took.
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Last time I checked was January, but something like this would not be able to remain hidden for long before amateurs would either find it and mention it, or entire astronomy neighborhoods get wiped out. Last I checked the guys at Arizona sky village and chiefland astronomy village didn't all suddenly drop dead.
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Hello Dr. Astro

You keep mentioning in a joking way that if this info is true you could end up dead. Why? Whay does all this mean? I have been going through all your posts so far but I don't see what the big deal is? Can you explain what this all means if your numbers are accurate?

Thanks
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Assuming that Polaris is off by 6 degrees - what does that mean for us here on Earth in Layman's terms?

Thanks

it means that winter is going to be a little late
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Too funny, that's exactly what they were showing this morning on the weather channel - and all this week - it's so warm everywhere and almost no snowfall compared to normal - I think we have already been shifting plenty, and the climate of Mexico is now creeping up across the US. I moved this summer back to a warmer area of our county where I'd previously lived for 13 years - and I was SHOCKED at the intense, neverending heat and extreme high temperatures, along with high humidity. It was never this awful before, ever. Totally unbearable, couldn't even go outside for months, my entire container garden died, even with frequent waterings.
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When was the last time you checked the measurement and it was correct?

If Polaris actually IS 6 arcminutes off, then you could roughly guesstimate how the time it took.
Quoting: CalmShock

Last time I checked was January, but something like this would not be able to remain hidden for long before amateurs would either find it and mention it, or entire astronomy neighborhoods get wiped out. Last I checked the guys at Arizona sky village and chiefland astronomy village didn't all suddenly drop dead.
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Hello Dr. Astro

You keep mentioning in a joking way that if this info is true you could end up dead. Why? Whay does all this mean? I have been going through all your posts so far but I don't see what the big deal is? Can you explain what this all means if your numbers are accurate?

Thanks
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For the same reason he hasn't told me im an idiot like he usually does. I'm pretty sure it would mean that our Earth is readjusting itself...ie..pole shift of some kind.
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It was mentioned somewhere that the oceanic floor lifted by 10 m during the boxing day earthquake of 2004 in Hiti. The Japan earthquake in 2011 uplift the oceanic floor by 50 m. Now if 10 m can affect the axial rotation what would 50 m do?

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When was the last time you checked the measurement and it was correct?

If Polaris actually IS 6 arcminutes off, then you could roughly guesstimate how the time it took.
Quoting: CalmShock

Last time I checked was January, but something like this would not be able to remain hidden for long before amateurs would either find it and mention it, or entire astronomy neighborhoods get wiped out. Last I checked the guys at Arizona sky village and chiefland astronomy village didn't all suddenly drop dead.
Quoting: Dr. Astro

Hello Dr. Astro

You keep mentioning in a joking way that if this info is true you could end up dead. Why? Whay does all this mean? I have been going through all your posts so far but I don't see what the big deal is? Can you explain what this all means if your numbers are accurate?

Thanks
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It's impossible for this to be true without many, many people knowing about it. And not just pro's, people like me as well. So far I've heard nothing. That most likely means something went wrong last night with the tripod. I was joking that if it's real and there's still nothing heard about it except from me, then it must be because they're killing everyone and I'm next.
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Love the thread because I don't understand what the hell it's about - but sounds smart and doomtastic. But...could you dumb it down for me? What are the implications of this anomaly?
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Mods, please forgive my cross-posting this from the other thread, but I believe this anomaly deserves its own thread until resolved. Updates will be forthcoming.

While testing the rather silly claim that the constellation Orion moved out of place, I found that Orion was where it should be, but the offset from Polaris to the north celestial pole appears to be off from the expected value by about 6 arcminutes. This may be due to flexure or settling in the flimsy camera tripod, but the only way to know will be to repeat this measurement telescopically. Further posts will detail repeated measurements starting tomorrow if weather allows.

It's been over an hour. Either the shit hit the fan or he fell asleep. Like I should be doing. Or, maybe he is on the phone with NASA. Got to get past pressing 1 a dozen times before you can choose English to proceed. Then there's a ton of red tape to fight your way through which sends you to the janitor. After you convince him he doesn't need to sweep away and hide any dirt, you get a security. need to convince him you arent on GLP by talking about the latest on Fox news, then you get a scientist. When you convince him you aren't asking about Nibiru he may answer.

These things take time.
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It's probably gonna take a while. When he makes a video, he spends a good amount of time on it.
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Not making a video. Somethings not adding up on the axial rotation measurement (and you all thought I was a "shill" - I'm honest, even when it's very likely nothing at all). Tonight I took a shortcut and just used my SLR with telephoto lens on a tripod rather than hauling out the whole telescope. I also only had a few minutes of a gap between clouds and then it was clouded up completely. But something about this picture I took isn't adding up...
I'm consistently coming back to a distance of about 35 arcminutes for Polaris from the north celestial pole. That ain't right. It should be just shy of 41 arcminutes. Now, I've never calibrated this lens astrometrically before tonight, but I used the Polaris image itself as well as an earlier image I shot a few months back and they both resulted in about the same image scale of about 8.2 arcseconds per pixel at the resolution I'm using for analysis. Maybe I screwed my math up somewhere along the way, I'm running on very little sleep and I need to get some now if I'm every going to.

For the sake of sanity in the thread and so that people don't start killing themselves before I can solve this mystery, I've never tried to use my SLR camera by itself for this particular measurement before (I've always used my telescopes with the SLR catching the light at prime focus) and the 300mm telephoto lens I have is rather heavy. I'm thinking something settled or flexed on my camera tripod over the 8 minute exposure, causing the star trails to be artificially shifted by about 6 arcminutes (and for what it's worth, that's a small angle, one fifth the diameter of the moon's disc, it's not something Bubba in his trailer is going to notice just by casually looking and comparing by eye to a mountain range).

The telescopes I normally use are much beefier and sturdier. I'll repeat the measurement telescopically tomorrow. If telescopic measurement confirms it... I'll probably take a sniper bullet in the head because there's no way that kind of change could be kept secret without a mass assassination of every person like me.
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ACCORDING TO MZ TAFF WE ARE IN AN 'EARTH WOBBLE' TILL 12TH...I THINK THAT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT.....
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If you don't show up here tonight Astro, it's very likely people will be convinced you were suicided and that the end is nigh...

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Love the thread because I don't understand what the hell it's about - but sounds smart and doomtastic. But...could you dumb it down for me? What are the implications of this anomaly?
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Too early to start thinking about that. First things first, recheck with proper equipment. I'm quite frankly mad at myself for attempting a shortcut last night by using just a standard camera tripod and lens.
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Love the thread because I don't understand what the hell it's about - but sounds smart and doomtastic. But...could you dumb it down for me? What are the implications of this anomaly?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3763601

Too early to start thinking about that. First things first, recheck with proper equipment. I'm quite frankly mad at myself for attempting a shortcut last night by using just a standard camera tripod and lens.
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It did the job you needed for it, showing Orion wasn't in a different part of the sky.
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Assuming that Polaris is off by 6 degrees - what does that mean for us here on Earth in Layman's terms?

Thanks

it means that winter is going to be a little late
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Too funny, that's exactly what they were showing this morning on the weather channel - and all this week - it's so warm everywhere and almost no snowfall compared to normal - I think we have already been shifting plenty, and the climate of Mexico is now creeping up across the US. I moved this summer back to a warmer area of our county where I'd previously lived for 13 years - and I was SHOCKED at the intense, neverending heat and extreme high temperatures, along with high humidity. It was never this awful before, ever. Totally unbearable, couldn't even go outside for months, my entire container garden died, even with frequent waterings.
Quoting: Geo777

My grandmother lives near the Red River on the Ok/Tx border, and the past three year winter has arrived in January and is lasting through March. Last year they had two massive ice storms move through; once in late February and then two weeks later in March.
The summer months proved worse, with not a single storm from May-September. There were massive thunderstorms and not a few number of tornadoes (common in Texas, yes, but the metroplex DFW area almost NEVER gets one [perhaps the elevation???] as they seem to occur in less occupied areas [perhaps due to the heat the concrete and asphalt retains in the 'urban jungles'??]). I am not implying that tornadoes in Texas are uncommon, as they happen frequently in the Spring/Fall weather changes; they are seemingly larger and more frequent, according to my grandmother.
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Astro - Your readings are off due to the nature of your telescopic setup.
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Quite possible.
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Then why didn't you wait until you could confirm that before posting otherwise? Seeing as that's the most logical explanation, it's kinda odd for you to post a dramatic finding on something that hasn't even been verified...
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27302733

Because he is sensing something is not right, and even though he says it could be his equipment I have a feeling he knows better.... so he's giving us a heads up being that this is GLP.
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I can't believe that Astro would 'risk his reputation' by posting something without first checking and re-checked his findings. Leading me to believe that he is 100% or as close as can be behind them and what he has posted should be taken as gospel truth. Otherwise....Astro has made a mistake.....(Gasps!)
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Don't know if this relevant, but if the measurement of 6 arcminutes corresponds to a surface movement of around 9 meters, then could this be attributed as being a Chandler Wobble? I'm no scientist but have just Googled "earth wobble effects" and wiki came up with that.
Check it out.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29190143

Chandler wobble is far, far smaller. Too small for me to detect with my telescopes, let alone with a telephoto lens. 6 minutes of arc corresponds to 6 nautical miles or about 11 kilometers of "surface movement." Ridiculous, isn't it? That's why it's extremely likely to be measurement error from flexure, settling, etc.
Quoting: Dr. Astro

Thanks for clearing that up OP. Looking forward to you verifying as to whether or not it was due to your equipment.
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Don't know if this relevant, but if the measurement of 6 arcminutes corresponds to a surface movement of around 9 meters, then could this be attributed as being a Chandler Wobble? I'm no scientist but have just Googled "earth wobble effects" and wiki came up with that.
Check it out.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29190143

Chandler wobble is far, far smaller. Too small for me to detect with my telescopes, let alone with a telephoto lens. 6 minutes of arc corresponds to 6 nautical miles or about 11 kilometers of "surface movement." Ridiculous, isn't it? That's why it's extremely likely to be measurement error from flexure, settling, etc.
Quoting: Dr. Astro

You know Astro even if you find that your numbers are incorrect we still have the major issue that everyone seems to be in denial of and its still right in front of our eyes every day.

So Even if the stars are in alignment and the moon isn't upside down and the sun isn't super hot. The WEATHER is absolutely without a doubt NOT Normal.

And the thing is.. One day its winter weather and the next its Fall or Spring and sometimes feels like Summer again. This I think we can ALL agree on!

So if the Earth has a Major Wobble it would be a true statement that there Will be times when your measurements will seem normal and at other times they will not.

So the Measurements Must be taken everyday for a few months and compared.

However if it was a Permanent tilt of the Axis well then that would show up everyday the same I assume unless we have both wobble and tilt.

The Point is, if it isn't any of the above.. Then what in the world is causing the weather fluctuations!

A major Wobble would explain everything however.
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Assuming that Polaris is off by 6 degrees - what does that mean for us here on Earth in Layman's terms?

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it means that winter is going to be a little late
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13289935

Too funny, that's exactly what they were showing this morning on the weather channel - and all this week - it's so warm everywhere and almost no snowfall compared to normal - I think we have already been shifting plenty, and the climate of Mexico is now creeping up across the US. I moved this summer back to a warmer area of our county where I'd previously lived for 13 years - and I was SHOCKED at the intense, neverending heat and extreme high temperatures, along with high humidity. It was never this awful before, ever. Totally unbearable, couldn't even go outside for months, my entire container garden died, even with frequent waterings.
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All this warm weather isn't because of tilt, it's because of the Macondo oil well spill in the gulf.
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The Point is, if it isn't any of the above.. Then what in the world is causing the weather fluctuations!

A major Wobble would explain everything however.

I believe it could a wobble as well... so much is happening there is something going on !

was just watching this ... [link to www.youtube.com]
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wow if this is correct 6 arch minutes is a big distance isn't it?
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So if the Earth has a Major Wobble it would be a true statement that there Will be times when your measurements will seem normal and at other times they will not.
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No way, not telescopically. I'm talking about measuring the position of the axis of rotation with about 4-8 times the angular resolution than what I had last night, so not only will the mount be sturdier, but the angular resolution will be far higher. It's a more stringent test; it could detect a much smaller shift that a telephoto lens would miss.
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Love the thread because I don't understand what the hell it's about - but sounds smart and doomtastic. But...could you dumb it down for me? What are the implications of this anomaly?
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If it continued, and MOST IMPORTANTLY if it was actually true:

GPS would no longer be useful. Your satellite dish would lose reception. Global communications would be disrupted. Airplanes would have a hard time finding their landing strips.

Geographical weather conditions would be odd. Colder\Warmer where it shouldn't normally be. The seas would rise on one area, and lower on another.

Volcanos might erupt. Massive earthquakes might occur at or near the equator before even larger ones begin occuring near both poles.

Just typical doom shit.
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When was the last time you checked the measurement and it was correct?

If Polaris actually IS 6 arcminutes off, then you could roughly guesstimate how the time it took.
Quoting: CalmShock

Last time I checked was January, but something like this would not be able to remain hidden for long before amateurs would either find it and mention it, or entire astronomy neighborhoods get wiped out. Last I checked the guys at Arizona sky village and chiefland astronomy village didn't all suddenly drop dead.
Quoting: Dr. Astro

Hello Dr. Astro

You keep mentioning in a joking way that if this info is true you could end up dead. Why? Whay does all this mean? I have been going through all your posts so far but I don't see what the big deal is? Can you explain what this all means if your numbers are accurate?

Thanks
Quoting: odinson222

It's impossible for this to be true without many, many people knowing about it. And not just pro's, people like me as well. So far I've heard nothing. That most likely means something went wrong last night with the tripod. I was joking that if it's real and there's still nothing heard about it except from me, then it must be because they're killing everyone and I'm next.
Quoting: Dr. Astro

OK, So if this is true, what can we expect to see?
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As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.

Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.

For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,

Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
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Love the thread because I don't understand what the hell it's about - but sounds smart and doomtastic. But...could you dumb it down for me? What are the implications of this anomaly?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3763601

If it continued, and MOST IMPORTANTLY if it was actually true:

GPS would no longer be useful. Your satellite dish would lose reception. Global communications would be disrupted. Airplanes would have a hard time finding their landing strips.

Geographical weather conditions would be odd. Colder\Warmer where it shouldn't normally be. The seas would rise on one area, and lower on another.

Volcanos might erupt. Massive earthquakes might occur at or near the equator before even larger ones begin occuring near both poles.

Just typical doom shit.
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I'd just like to add that I find it interesting that a similar claim was made EXACTLY 6 years ago...

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curious to learn the result with your telescope tonight..
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and pure attention whoring
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There been crustal/tectonic displacement that is causing this.
The ground shifted north 6-8 degrees. And it was reported by people like george kavassilas awhile ago when chile and japan earthquakes happened.

Our south pole can be starting to lock on to a north pole of a passing body as well. That would shift us north.
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So if the Earth has a Major Wobble it would be a true statement that there Will be times when your measurements will seem normal and at other times they will not.
Quoting: Gettinupthere

No way, not telescopically. I'm talking about measuring the position of the axis of rotation with about 4-8 times the angular resolution than what I had last night, so not only will the mount be sturdier, but the angular resolution will be far higher. It's a more stringent test; it could detect a much smaller shift that a telephoto lens would miss.
Quoting: Dr. Astro

Okay, so in the rare event that your initial findings were indeed correct, what does this mean exactly?
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