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Axial rotation measurement anomaly *Update on pg 21 - Problem Solved*

 
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So if the Earth has a Major Wobble it would be a true statement that there Will be times when your measurements will seem normal and at other times they will not.
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No way, not telescopically. I'm talking about measuring the position of the axis of rotation with about 4-8 times the angular resolution than what I had last night, so not only will the mount be sturdier, but the angular resolution will be far higher. It's a more stringent test; it could detect a much smaller shift that a telephoto lens would miss.
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Okay, so in the rare event that your initial findings were indeed correct, what does this mean exactly?
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what ever happened to the GLP scope?
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The quake also shifted the position of the Earth's "figure" axis (which is different from the planet's north-south axis). This shift in Earth's figure axis will cause Earth to wobble a bit differently as it rotates, but it won't cause a shift of the Earth's axis in space -- only external forces such as the gravitational attraction of the sun, moon and planets could do that.

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How long will it be before the UN rolls out their new world off kilter tax?

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The quake also shifted the position of the Earth's "figure" axis (which is different from the planet's north-south axis). This shift in Earth's figure axis will cause Earth to wobble a bit differently as it rotates, but it won't cause a shift of the Earth's axis in space -- only external forces such as the gravitational attraction of the sun, moon and planets could do that.

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If it is real we are all screwed anyway. So, why worry about it .
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So if the Earth has a Major Wobble it would be a true statement that there Will be times when your measurements will seem normal and at other times they will not.
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No way, not telescopically. I'm talking about measuring the position of the axis of rotation with about 4-8 times the angular resolution than what I had last night, so not only will the mount be sturdier, but the angular resolution will be far higher. It's a more stringent test; it could detect a much smaller shift that a telephoto lens would miss.
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Okay, so in the rare event that your initial findings were indeed correct, what does this mean exactly?
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I don't know, I'll cross that bridge if I come to it.
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The quake also shifted the position of the Earth's "figure" axis (which is different from the planet's north-south axis). This shift in Earth's figure axis will cause Earth to wobble a bit differently as it rotates, but it won't cause a shift of the Earth's axis in space -- only external forces such as the gravitational attraction of the sun, moon and planets could do that.

[link to content.usatoday.com]
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Does this equate to the arcseconds?????? Just trying to understand if what Dr. Astro detected is the same or different from the axis change they discussed in the article.

Also from the article:

The 9.0 magnitude earthquake that ravaged Japan also shortened Earth's day by just over one-millionth of a second (1.8 microseconds to be exact), according to NASA. It also shifted the Earth's axis by about 6.5 inches.
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Hats off to you Dr. Astro!!!


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Doesn't this mean a new wobble has been introduced and weather patterns will only become more chaotic over time?
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Love the thread because I don't understand what the hell it's about - but sounds smart and doomtastic. But...could you dumb it down for me? What are the implications of this anomaly?
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If it continued, and MOST IMPORTANTLY if it was actually true:

GPS would no longer be useful. Your satellite dish would lose reception. Global communications would be disrupted. Airplanes would have a hard time finding their landing strips.

Geographical weather conditions would be odd. Colder\Warmer where it shouldn't normally be. The seas would rise on one area, and lower on another.

Volcanos might erupt. Massive earthquakes might occur at or near the equator before even larger ones begin occuring near both poles.

Just typical doom shit.
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Not really..

The GPS system is continuously updating info.. constant calibration..
We are not in a static condition.. contrary to popular belief.
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Love the thread because I don't understand what the hell it's about - but sounds smart and doomtastic. But...could you dumb it down for me? What are the implications of this anomaly?
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If it continued, and MOST IMPORTANTLY if it was actually true:

GPS would no longer be useful. Your satellite dish would lose reception. Global communications would be disrupted. Airplanes would have a hard time finding their landing strips.

Geographical weather conditions would be odd. Colder\Warmer where it shouldn't normally be. The seas would rise on one area, and lower on another.

Volcanos might erupt. Massive earthquakes might occur at or near the equator before even larger ones begin occuring near both poles.

Just typical doom shit.
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Not really..

The GPS system is continuously updating info.. constant calibration..
We are not in a static condition.. contrary to popular belief.
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Airports have been forced to change in the last few years to accommodate the shift.
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So if the Earth has a Major Wobble it would be a true statement that there Will be times when your measurements will seem normal and at other times they will not.
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No way, not telescopically. I'm talking about measuring the position of the axis of rotation with about 4-8 times the angular resolution than what I had last night, so not only will the mount be sturdier, but the angular resolution will be far higher. It's a more stringent test; it could detect a much smaller shift that a telephoto lens would miss.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Sorry What I mean to say is that as the earth wobbles in its spin there will be times it is in correct alignment and times that it is not in alignment as it wobbles.
Depending on the severity and type of wobble.

So today we look up at the stars and everything seems normal and maybe a few days later things seem out of whack and then a few days later back to normal. Just like the weather.
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It's impossible for this to be true without many, many people knowing about it. And not just pro's, people like me as well. So far I've heard nothing. That most likely means something went wrong last night with the tripod. I was joking that if it's real and there's still nothing heard about it except from me, then it must be because they're killing everyone and I'm next.
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I had thought you were going to use this as a 'teaching moment' to show the fringers how scientists handle spurious data.
If so, all I can say is - wrong crowd (except for a few).

Most of the GLPers do not believe in coincidence or the randomness of nature... there's always a causal agent (usually gods or aliens). It's funny because most just love the term, "quantum", but they deny that we live in a probabilistic, indeterminant universe.

That this is on the edge of blowing up into a fiasco isn't surprising.

But maybe you... naaahhh. But if...
Then I congratulate you.


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Any idiot can measure with a weight and String knowing his position at 12:00 noon the sun angle in respect to EARTH ONE ....


No way to debunk that and NASA & debunkers here can EAT SHIT ...

YESS EARTH IS WAY off its normal angle inclination by several degrees...

DEBUNK THIS ! skull_fing
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It's a shame here nobody knows anyone with a similar setup that lives in Europe or they could have checked it out while it's too bright in the states.
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Assuming that Polaris is off by 6 degrees - what does that mean for us here on Earth in Layman's terms?

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it means that winter is going to be a little late
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Too funny, that's exactly what they were showing this morning on the weather channel - and all this week - it's so warm everywhere and almost no snowfall compared to normal - I think we have already been shifting plenty, and the climate of Mexico is now creeping up across the US. I moved this summer back to a warmer area of our county where I'd previously lived for 13 years - and I was SHOCKED at the intense, neverending heat and extreme high temperatures, along with high humidity. It was never this awful before, ever. Totally unbearable, couldn't even go outside for months, my entire container garden died, even with frequent waterings.
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it's nice and chilly in the UK if that takes your fancy.
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So if the Earth has a Major Wobble it would be a true statement that there Will be times when your measurements will seem normal and at other times they will not.
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No way, not telescopically. I'm talking about measuring the position of the axis of rotation with about 4-8 times the angular resolution than what I had last night, so not only will the mount be sturdier, but the angular resolution will be far higher. It's a more stringent test; it could detect a much smaller shift that a telephoto lens would miss.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Okay, so in the rare event that your initial findings were indeed correct, what does this mean exactly?
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You know what this means??? If this is true what will happen?

Exactly everything that already is happening!!!

People are thinking of this as if a doctor is telling them that they just got cancer and your asking whats gonna happen to me.

Its the exact opposite! its like you've had cancer for quite awhile now and after suffering many horrible unexplained symptoms the doctors are just not finding out the CAUSE is Cancer.
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dont you love how this prick beats up everyone who says the earth, etc. is off kilter and now he does it.

skull_fing
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He has the courage to step forward & report his tentative findings.

All you have is an obscene gesture.

Sad ... really.
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Courage? Hilarious.

How about the courage of others who think in good faith that they have discovered something and post their findings?

When asstro slaps them all down. Do you get on here and tell us they have courage?

And you people who run this forum make the obscene gestures available for use. If you are offended by it, they why don't you remove them?

$10 say you and all the other mods have posted obscene gestures.

Looks like you play favorites.
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The problem is, none of those people have any expertise in astronomy. They just show up screaming, "The earth's axis is shifting! Run for your lives!" Then Astro shows up with math to prove them wrong, and they all start screaming, "SHILL!" and giving him the finger. Take this hick from yesterday that started this mess, for instance. He obviously has no frame of reference, other than his back yard (and I use that term loosely), to gauge where Orion ought to be. Well, guess, what, moran? I'm in the same boat, and Orion was right where it ought to be in my back yard last night (It's my favorite constellation, so I keep tabs on it), so we're at an impasse.

Astro has the tools and the knowledge to actually scientifically verify these things, he volunteers his time, and gets nothing but bullshit from people can't argue with him intellectually and so they just call him names. Quite frankly, I don't know why he bothers.
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Dr. Astro is the smartest person to ever grace the likes of us normal retards...thank you Dr...
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Any idiot can measure with a weight and String knowing his position at 12:00 noon the sun angle in respect to EARTH ONE ....


No way to debunk that and NASA & debunkers here can EAT SHIT ...

YESS EARTH IS WAY off its normal angle inclination by several degrees...

DEBUNK THIS ! skull_fing
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At this point also the earth axis variations due to recent eartquakes, are not because that.
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Give me a break. Astro is not going to end up dead, The government going to subject him to the same type of debunking he gives eveybody else around here.

Its ironic that the one thing Astro would argue about till he was blue in the face. ( The Earth Can't Wobble ) which tons of us were saying was even happening this summer is happening and now he's just wakeing up to the fact it has.

6 nautical miles is lots my friend and also explains the Sun rising and setting in different spots.

Ya were doing a barrel roll so to speak. The earth is sloshing around like a drunkard. Explains alot.

Some of us were on to this along time ago. Thats why were prepped.

They make tons of Documentaries about Pole Shift this year and last. Put it all over Channels like Documentary. Science. Nature of things. History. They start shows like Dooms Day Preppers and nobody watches them. I Did.

It seemed pretty obvious they were huge HINTS and to pay attention.

JEESE MAYBE EVERYBODY INCLUDEING ASTRO might pull their heads out of their asses for a change and wake up. God the Irony.
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Love the thread because I don't understand what the hell it's about - but sounds smart and doomtastic. But...could you dumb it down for me? What are the implications of this anomaly?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3763601


If it continued, and MOST IMPORTANTLY if it was actually true:

GPS would no longer be useful. Your satellite dish would lose reception. Global communications would be disrupted. Airplanes would have a hard time finding their landing strips.

Geographical weather conditions would be odd. Colder\Warmer where it shouldn't normally be. The seas would rise on one area, and lower on another.

Volcanos might erupt. Massive earthquakes might occur at or near the equator before even larger ones begin occuring near both poles.

Just typical doom shit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27302733


Not really..

The GPS system is continuously updating info.. constant calibration..
We are not in a static condition.. contrary to popular belief.
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You're thinking of orbital changes. The earth is continually pulling those satellites towards her. The data coming from that satellite is continually modified to adjust for that static-constant change.

This would be the opposite. The face of the earth would be moving, and thus the satellite data would be off. Picture a laser beam coming out of the satellite and as the earth spins it moves in straight line. Now, if the earth itself shifted, that line wouldn't be straight..
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The problem is, none of those people have any expertise in astronomy. They just show up screaming, "The earth's axis is shifting! Run for your lives!" Then Astro shows up with math to prove them wrong, and they all start screaming, "SHILL!" and giving him the finger. Take this hick from yesterday that started this mess, for instance. He obviously has no frame of reference, other than his back yard (and I use that term loosely), to gauge where Orion ought to be. Well, guess, what, moran? I'm in the same boat, and Orion was right where it ought to be in my back yard last night (It's my favorite constellation, so I keep tabs on it), so we're at an impasse.

Astro has the tools and the knowledge to actually scientifically verify these things, he volunteers his time, and gets nothing but bullshit from people can't argue with him intellectually and so they just call him names. Quite frankly, I don't know why he bothers.
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dont you love how this prick beats up everyone who says the earth, etc. is off kilter and now he does it.

skull_fing
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He has the courage to step forward & report his tentative findings.

All you have is an obscene gesture.

Sad ... really.
 Quoting: Lady Jane Smith

Courage? Hilarious.

How about the courage of others who think in good faith that they have discovered something and post their findings?

When asstro slaps them all down. Do you get on here and tell us they have courage?

And you people who run this forum make the obscene gestures available for use. If you are offended by it, they why don't you remove them?

$10 say you and all the other mods have posted obscene gestures.

Looks like you play favorites.
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The problem is, none of those people have any expertise in astronomy. They just show up screaming, "The earth's axis is shifting! Run for your lives!" Then Astro shows up with math to prove them wrong, and they all start screaming, "SHILL!" and giving him the finger. Take this hick from yesterday that started this mess, for instance. He obviously has no frame of reference, other than his back yard (and I use that term loosely), to gauge where Orion ought to be. Well, guess, what, moran? I'm in the same boat, and Orion was right where it ought to be in my back yard last night (It's my favorite constellation, so I keep tabs on it), so we're at an impasse.

Astro has the tools and the knowledge to actually scientifically verify these things, he volunteers his time, and gets nothing but bullshit from people can't argue with him intellectually and so they just call him names. Quite frankly, I don't know why he bothers.
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Thanks, Rev hf

Rude, juvenile AC is taking a hiatus while the adults get to the bottom of this matter with Dr. Astro's help.
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but the offset from Polaris to the north celestial pole appears to be off from the expected value by about 6 arcminutes
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bsflag Bullshit fearmonger 2012 tard you !
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You're obviously not familiar with Astro and his way of coping with this stuff.

He's one of the well known "voices of science" on this forum, often taking beating for it.

The fact he is now saying there seems to be something out of the place is worth carefully listening to, instead of jumping to conclusions of any kind.

For once, here's someone who actually knows his stuff. Please understand to appreciate the fact he's willing to lend that knowledge to the use of us and give him some time for further investigation before going tard yourself. ;)
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Which very well could be the beginning of the Amateur Astronomer outcry if something does occur like this.

Not calling you an amateur Astro, you have a good strong brain, I've read your debunks often....most don't like to admit it but your the guy who is spot on. You are an anchor in the river of GLP.


I am patiently waiting for your next available scan.

Until then, have you identified any probable cause or is this still evading the mind atm?
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It's impossible for this to be true without many, many people knowing about it. And not just pro's, people like me as well. So far I've heard nothing. That most likely means something went wrong last night with the tripod. I was joking that if it's real and there's still nothing heard about it except from me, then it must be because they're killing everyone and I'm next.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


I had thought you were going to use this as a 'teaching moment' to show the fringers how scientists handle spurious data.
If so, all I can say is - wrong crowd (except for a few).

Most of the GLPers do not believe in coincidence or the randomness of nature... there's always a causal agent (usually gods or aliens). It's funny because most just love the term, "quantum", but they deny that we live in a probabilistic, indeterminant universe.

That this is on the edge of blowing up into a fiasco isn't surprising.

But maybe you... naaahhh. But if...
Then I congratulate you.


R.
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I was thinking I could parlay it into that as well, but you're right; to some there is no such thing as random spurious data. Should be interesting though, it really underscores the need for scientific rigor and attention to detail that is often lacking in places like youtube where so many get their info.
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but the offset from Polaris to the north celestial pole appears to be off from the expected value by about 6 arcminutes
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bsflag Bullshit fearmonger 2012 tard you !
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You're obviously not familiar with Astro and his way of coping with this stuff.

He's one of the well known "voices of science" on this forum, often taking beating for it.

The fact he is now saying there seems to be something out of the place is worth carefully listening to, instead of jumping to conclusions of any kind.

For once, here's someone who actually knows his stuff. Please understand to appreciate the fact he's willing to lend that knowledge to the use of us and give him some time for further investigation before going tard yourself. ;)
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Which very well could be the beginning of the Amateur Astronomer outcry if something does occur like this.

Not calling you an amateur Astro, you have a good strong brain, I've read your debunks often....most don't like to admit it but your the guy who is spot on. You are an anchor in the river of GLP.


I am patiently waiting for your next available scan.

Until then, have you identified any probable cause or is this still evading the mind atm?
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Most probable cause is flexure and settling of the camera tripod under the combined weight of the camera and telephoto lens. It's one of those prosumer 70-300mm IS canon lenses, it's pretty hefty. Amateur simply means to do it for the love of doing it, which is precisely what all of this is about. The connotation when it is attached to the word astronomy is actually one of great skill, much like the amateur radio community, where some bounce signals off the moon and listen to distant space probes.
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Pole Shit coming?

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