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Axial rotation measurement anomaly *Update on pg 21 - Problem Solved*

 
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Love the thread because I don't understand what the hell it's about - but sounds smart and doomtastic. But...could you dumb it down for me? What are the implications of this anomaly?
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If it continued, and MOST IMPORTANTLY if it was actually true:

GPS would no longer be useful. Your satellite dish would lose reception. Global communications would be disrupted. Airplanes would have a hard time finding their landing strips.

Geographical weather conditions would be odd. Colder\Warmer where it shouldn't normally be. The seas would rise on one area, and lower on another.

Volcanos might erupt. Massive earthquakes might occur at or near the equator before even larger ones begin occuring near both poles.

Just typical doom shit.
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"Your satellite dish would lose reception. "
The cable (cogeco) last night had several satellite feeds go offline.
The previous nights ther was dropouts and pixelation on the same
feeds. I think they had to repoint the dish. $0.02
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but the offset from Polaris to the north celestial pole appears to be off from the expected value by about 6 arcminutes
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bsflag Bullshit fearmonger 2012 tard you !
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25878729


You're obviously not familiar with Astro and his way of coping with this stuff.

He's one of the well known "voices of science" on this forum, often taking beating for it.

The fact he is now saying there seems to be something out of the place is worth carefully listening to, instead of jumping to conclusions of any kind.

For once, here's someone who actually knows his stuff. Please understand to appreciate the fact he's willing to lend that knowledge to the use of us and give him some time for further investigation before going tard yourself. ;)
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Which very well could be the beginning of the Amateur Astronomer outcry if something does occur like this.

Not calling you an amateur Astro, you have a good strong brain, I've read your debunks often....most don't like to admit it but your the guy who is spot on. You are an anchor in the river of GLP.

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I agree in this. Infact You have to consider that just 0.01% of amateur astronomer are out of the sheep stuff.
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Assuming that Polaris is off by 6 degrees - what does that mean for us here on Earth in Layman's terms?

Thanks hf
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This is a GREAT example of how things get distorted and misrepresented on the internet and then people go nuts with hysteria over it. Astro says "6 arcminutes" and IMMEDIATELY someone who doesn't understand astronomy changes it to 6 DEGREES and then people start repeating that it's "6 DEGREES".
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The quake also shifted the position of the Earth's "figure" axis (which is different from the planet's north-south axis). This shift in Earth's figure axis will cause Earth to wobble a bit differently as it rotates, but it won't cause a shift of the Earth's axis in space -- only external forces such as the gravitational attraction of the sun, moon and planets could do that.

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Does this equate to the arcseconds?????? Just trying to understand if what Dr. Astro detected is the same or different from the axis change they discussed in the article.

Also from the article:

The 9.0 magnitude earthquake that ravaged Japan also shortened Earth's day by just over one-millionth of a second (1.8 microseconds to be exact), according to NASA. It also shifted the Earth's axis by about 6.5 inches.
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Your missing a lot of info in this post,

Japan, Sumatra, And the 8.8, peru, And the two 8.6's south of sumatra all shook the earth.

the sumatra earthquake moved us 4-6 inches and shortened the day also.

I think the 8.8 peru did some damage also...The earthquake also shifted other parts of South America from the Falkland Islands to Fortaleza, Brazil.

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That is all...
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It occurs to me that what we are truly witnessing here is quite possibly the longest day of Astromut's adult life ;)
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The quake also shifted the position of the Earth's "figure" axis (which is different from the planet's north-south axis). This shift in Earth's figure axis will cause Earth to wobble a bit differently as it rotates, but it won't cause a shift of the Earth's axis in space -- only external forces such as the gravitational attraction of the sun, moon and planets could do that.

[link to content.usatoday.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25148952


Does this equate to the arcseconds?????? Just trying to understand if what Dr. Astro detected is the same or different from the axis change they discussed in the article.

Also from the article:

The 9.0 magnitude earthquake that ravaged Japan also shortened Earth's day by just over one-millionth of a second (1.8 microseconds to be exact), according to NASA. It also shifted the Earth's axis by about 6.5 inches.
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Your missing a lot of info in this post,

Japan, Sumatra, And the 8.8, peru, And the two 8.6's south of sumatra all shook the earth.

the sumatra earthquake moved us 4-6 inches and shortened the day also.

I think the 8.8 peru did some damage also...The earthquake also shifted other parts of South America from the Falkland Islands to Fortaleza, Brazil.

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Also, you can't have one without the other..

if the north star is out by 6-arcminutes the whole sky has to be out, OR the north star has just moved on its own meaning the earth never moved...

That is the whole story..You can't have one without the other.

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Its funny who everybody's is saying ho all these things would be happening if this is true. Well they are and its getting worse.

Pakistan has sunk 10 feet.

Cambodia. Vietnam. Indonesia. India. Florida all doing same. Sunk and sinking along their coasts.

There has been 2300 foot drops in the sea bed around the Indo/Australian Plate. 12 of these buoys have been taken off line.

Weather is extreme all over the world.

I have noticed a change in the flight paths even for Commercial Airliners over my remote location for Vancouver and Kelowna.

The Suns out of place at times. The Moons out of place at times. Its obvious the the Earth wobbles and does a correction.

The birds are lost. Ending up places they should not be.

There's so much more. Could go on and on. Does not matter. Those of us that saw this coming have moved along time ago. Go ready a long time ago. The rest of you were to busy not reading posts and just posting your dribble to pay attention to the information being offered.

Too bad for you. Sucks to be you. Pole Shift is in around the corner and as the side effects get worse even more of you are bound to wake up to the fact that shit is really going to happen.
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bsflag Bullshit fearmonger 2012 tard you !
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25878729


You're obviously not familiar with Astro and his way of coping with this stuff.

He's one of the well known "voices of science" on this forum, often taking beating for it.

The fact he is now saying there seems to be something out of the place is worth carefully listening to, instead of jumping to conclusions of any kind.

For once, here's someone who actually knows his stuff. Please understand to appreciate the fact he's willing to lend that knowledge to the use of us and give him some time for further investigation before going tard yourself. ;)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29130142


Which very well could be the beginning of the Amateur Astronomer outcry if something does occur like this.

Not calling you an amateur Astro, you have a good strong brain, I've read your debunks often....most don't like to admit it but your the guy who is spot on. You are an anchor in the river of GLP.


I am patiently waiting for your next available scan.

Until then, have you identified any probable cause or is this still evading the mind atm?
 Quoting: --Voltaic--


Most probable cause is flexure and settling of the camera tripod under the combined weight of the camera and telephoto lens. It's one of those prosumer 70-300mm IS canon lenses, it's pretty hefty. Amateur simply means to do it for the love of doing it, which is precisely what all of this is about. The connotation when it is attached to the word astronomy is actually one of great skill, much like the amateur radio community, where some bounce signals off the moon and listen to distant space probes.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro



I got it, some fields consider amateur as qualified yet inexperienced.

I have no formal education, I teach myself. The greatest teacher of all time is passion for the subject.

If you love what you do, you will do it well. So then the measure of man is his heart.

Astronomy is a subject I would love to get involved in. I could live in Cherry Springs PA. But I have a dozen other hobbies that are crossing into Shadetree Professionalism.


One thing I feel we both have in common is the ability to exceed because we love what we do.
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Its funny who everybody's is saying ho all these things would be happening if this is true. Well they are and its getting worse.

Pakistan has sunk 10 feet.

Cambodia. Vietnam. Indonesia. India. Florida all doing same. Sunk and sinking along their coasts.

There has been 2300 foot drops in the sea bed around the Indo/Australian Plate. 12 of these buoys have been taken off line.

Weather is extreme all over the world.

I have noticed a change in the flight paths even for Commercial Airliners over my remote location for Vancouver and Kelowna.

The Suns out of place at times. The Moons out of place at times. Its obvious the the Earth wobbles and does a correction.

The birds are lost. Ending up places they should not be.

There's so much more. Could go on and on. Does not matter. Those of us that saw this coming have moved along time ago. Go ready a long time ago. The rest of you were to busy not reading posts and just posting your dribble to pay attention to the information being offered.

Too bad for you. Sucks to be you. Pole Shift is in around the corner and as the side effects get worse even more of you are bound to wake up to the fact that shit is really going to happen.
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I'm in kelowna and the planes come in from the same direction all the time..,

Need more info please,,,,

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Correct me if I am wrong but.....isn't an archminute 1/60th a degree?

Making the difference only 1/10th a degree off.
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Axial precession with a change in our pole star again.
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This thread is moving fast, what`s the verdict? Is the earth`s axis tilting? Poles shifting? I have noticed the changes but they are subtle, most people don`t have the time to pay attention. Thanks for taking the time to crunch the digits for us Dr. Astro!
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How do you break the record for most the post in 24hr period... You get the only sane person on GLP to post DOOM. It's good to have Astro Back!
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Dr. Astro - I thought you would have know this. The declination of Polaris for the equinox J2000.0 (i.e. the beginning of the year 2000) was +89° 158242; 518243;. Precession is causing the pole to move closer to Polaris and its declination is now +89° 18', which makes it 42' (0.7°) from the north celestial pole. It will continue to get closer to the pole until the end of the century, when it will be 0.5° away. Your location on the Earth only affects the altitude of the pole and Polaris above the horizon and not the separation of Polaris from the pole. The pole would appear 32° above the horizon from your latitude (i.e. it is the same value as your latitude). So you can complete your tests, but this is normal.
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Move along, nothing to see here.
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I already accounted for precession. My measurement came out to be 35 arcminutes, not 42 as you point out it should be. I've done this many times before with the telescope and it always matched up with the predicted value after accounting for precession.
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what is the meaning of life?
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There been crustal/tectonic displacement that is causing this.
The ground shifted north 6-8 degrees.
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Bullshit.
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Thanks for the info Astro.
That is all...
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This is an excellent video on how a normal person could tell with a telescope if there indeed was any axis change.

Thing is, Polaris is the pole star and it would be at a fixed spot and everything rotating around it.

Now, the video shows an extreme shift of the pole which OF COURSE EVERYONE would notice.

Astro Mut was talking about a very very tiny change in that rotation around the fixed point that is off a tiny bit from Polaris as it had previously been.

If it is indeed shifting, it might become more pronounced and more easily observed by everyone, but for now if it is even happening at all it is a tiny tiny change so far.

I believe it very will might be shifting because ancient stuff denotes a different pole star than Polaris and it might be changing again.

Excellent Visual Demonstration

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The movie Brave was the most obvious concerning Polaris. If one sees only the "real" described by left-hemisphere linguistics and visible light worship, it can't and won't be seen even when it's right in front of you.
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Do you mean the Disney movie?
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Same here for later viewing.
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5 stars and a pin request! This is important. Thank you for posting, Dr. Astro!
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Hats off to you Dr. Astro!!!


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Wow

A guy in a mobile home on another thread looks in the sky and believes he sees Orion in the wrong place in the sky, your Astro goes on that thread to debunk it and can't, then the egomaniac Astro starts his OWN thread piggy-backing off the other thread, and the mods here curtsy to their Queen Mother Astromut and un-pin the original thread and pin this nonsense to give Astromut all the attention his ego needs until this evening when his "clouds" miraculously part so he can see the sky and tell everyone that his initial findings were a mistake and there is nothing abnormal about Orion's place in the sky...and you and others applaud this joke?
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Yup, a butthurt elenintard returns:
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Trailer park guy seems to think Orion is off by quite a few degrees. That is not the case; even if my measurement last night was correct, the difference is a tenth of a degree. I made my own thread so as to not derail the orion thread on a side issue. Had I kept the discussion on that thread you would have said I was showboating to bury the original discussion of Orion being out of place by many degrees and I was using a flimsy camera tripod to deliberately distract. It's damned if I do and damned if I don't with you, but that's fine, I can see your true motivation.

Funny how when I show everything to be normal you accuse me of being a "yawn monkey."
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Hats off to you Dr. Astro!!!


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Wow

A guy in a mobile home on another thread looks in the sky and believes he sees Orion in the wrong place in the sky, your Astro goes on that thread to debunk it and can't, then the egomaniac Astro starts his OWN thread piggy-backing off the other thread, and the mods here curtsy to their Queen Mother Astromut and un-pin the original thread and pin this nonsense to give Astromut all the attention his ego needs until this evening when his "clouds" miraculously part so he can see the sky and tell everyone that his initial findings were a mistake and there is nothing abnormal about Orion's place in the sky...and you and others applaud this joke?
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Yup, a butthurt elenintard returns:
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Trailer park guy seems to think Orion is off by quite a few degrees. That is not the case; even if my measurement last night was correct, the difference is a tenth of a degree. I made my own thread so as to not derail the orion thread on a side issue. Had I kept the discussion on that thread you would have said I was showboating to bury the original discussion of Orion being out of place by many degrees and I was using a flimsy camera tripod to deliberately distract. It's damned if I do and damned if I don't with you, but that's fine, I can see your true motivation.

Funny how when I show everything to be normal you accuse me of being a "yawn monkey."
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Lmao!
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Dr. Astro - Why even post this thread?
Clearly it's an error.

Or are you just trolling?...
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Hats off to you Dr. Astro!!!


clappa
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Wow

A guy in a mobile home on another thread looks in the sky and believes he sees Orion in the wrong place in the sky, your Astro goes on that thread to debunk it and can't, then the egomaniac Astro starts his OWN thread piggy-backing off the other thread, and the mods here curtsy to their Queen Mother Astromut and un-pin the original thread and pin this nonsense to give Astromut all the attention his ego needs until this evening when his "clouds" miraculously part so he can see the sky and tell everyone that his initial findings were a mistake and there is nothing abnormal about Orion's place in the sky...and you and others applaud this joke?
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Trailer park guy seems to think Orion is off by quite a few degrees. That is not the case; even if my measurement last night was correct, the difference is a tenth of a degree. I made my own thread so as to not derail the orion thread on a side issue. Had I kept the discussion on that thread you would have said I was showboating to bury the original discussion of Orion being out of place by many degrees and I was using a flimsy camera tripod to deliberately distract. It's damned if I do and damned if I don't with you, but that's fine, I can see your true motivation.

Funny how when I show everything to be normal you accuse me of being a "yawn monkey."
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Dr Astro we are excited and the majority happy that you participate. many go bi polar over "news" here and in a way it is a sorting out of info. you are obviously made of strong stuff because you beat back at the maniacs. i myself am holding my breath for the news from you tomorrow. it is all really exciting .
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It's impossible for this to be true without many, many people knowing about it. And not just pro's, people like me as well. So far I've heard nothing. That most likely means something went wrong last night with the tripod. I was joking that if it's real and there's still nothing heard about it except from me, then it must be because they're killing everyone and I'm next.
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I had thought you were going to use this as a 'teaching moment' to show the fringers how scientists handle spurious data.
If so, all I can say is - wrong crowd (except for a few).

Most of the GLPers do not believe in coincidence or the randomness of nature... there's always a causal agent (usually gods or aliens). It's funny because most just love the term, "quantum", but they deny that we live in a probabilistic, indeterminant universe.

That this is on the edge of blowing up into a fiasco isn't surprising.

But maybe you... naaahhh. But if...
Then I congratulate you.


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Yep. What would be accepted at face value in any scientific forum is blown completely out of all proportion here. I have people saying they are going to complain to mods because I am "trolling" the other thread.
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Re: Axial rotation measurement anomaly *Update on pg 21 - Problem Solved*
Mods, please forgive my cross-posting this from the other thread, but I believe this anomaly deserves its own thread until resolved. Updates will be forthcoming.

While testing the rather silly claim that the constellation Orion moved out of place, I found that Orion was where it should be, but the offset from Polaris to the north celestial pole appears to be off from the expected value by about 6 arcminutes. This may be due to flexure or settling in the flimsy camera tripod, but the only way to know will be to repeat this measurement telescopically. Further posts will detail repeated measurements starting tomorrow if weather allows.

It's been over an hour. Either the shit hit the fan or he fell asleep. Like I should be doing. Or, maybe he is on the phone with NASA. Got to get past pressing 1 a dozen times before you can choose English to proceed. Then there's a ton of red tape to fight your way through which sends you to the janitor. After you convince him he doesn't need to sweep away and hide any dirt, you get a security. need to convince him you arent on GLP by talking about the latest on Fox news, then you get a scientist. When you convince him you aren't asking about Nibiru he may answer.

These things take time.
 Quoting: Serendipitous


It's probably gonna take a while. When he makes a video, he spends a good amount of time on it.
 Quoting: #Geomagnetic_Storm#


Not making a video. Somethings not adding up on the axial rotation measurement (and you all thought I was a "shill" - I'm honest, even when it's very likely nothing at all). Tonight I took a shortcut and just used my SLR with telephoto lens on a tripod rather than hauling out the whole telescope. I also only had a few minutes of a gap between clouds and then it was clouded up completely. But something about this picture I took isn't adding up...
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I'm consistently coming back to a distance of about 35 arcminutes for Polaris from the north celestial pole. That ain't right. It should be just shy of 41 arcminutes. Now, I've never calibrated this lens astrometrically before tonight, but I used the Polaris image itself as well as an earlier image I shot a few months back and they both resulted in about the same image scale of about 8.2 arcseconds per pixel at the resolution I'm using for analysis. Maybe I screwed my math up somewhere along the way, I'm running on very little sleep and I need to get some now if I'm every going to.

For the sake of sanity in the thread and so that people don't start killing themselves before I can solve this mystery, I've never tried to use my SLR camera by itself for this particular measurement before (I've always used my telescopes with the SLR catching the light at prime focus) and the 300mm telephoto lens I have is rather heavy. I'm thinking something settled or flexed on my camera tripod over the 8 minute exposure, causing the star trails to be artificially shifted by about 6 arcminutes (and for what it's worth, that's a small angle, one fifth the diameter of the moon's disc, it's not something Bubba in his trailer is going to notice just by casually looking and comparing by eye to a mountain range).

The telescopes I normally use are much beefier and sturdier. I'll repeat the measurement telescopically tomorrow. If telescopic measurement confirms it... I'll probably take a sniper bullet in the head because there's no way that kind of change could be kept secret without a mass assassination of every person like me.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro

 Quoting: Dr. Astro


have you seen this??

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