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# Axial rotation measurement anomaly *Update on pg 21 - Problem Solved*

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12/06/2012 01:24 PM
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It will be a lenseing effect caused by swamp gas.
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12/06/2012 01:25 PM
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Any idiot can measure with a weight and String knowing his position at 12:00 noon the sun angle in respect to EARTH ONE ....

No way to debunk that and NASA & debunkers here can EAT SHIT ...

YESS EARTH IS WAY off its normal angle inclination by several degrees...

DEBUNK THIS !
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22818197

That depends too much on accurately knowing local noon and changes with the seasons. All anyone has to do to prove that "EARTH IS WAY off its normal angle inclination by several degrees..." is to set up a tripod and take time-lapse images of the nothern sky, showing that Polaris is WAAY out of it's normal location near the center of rotation of the northern sky.

This challenge has gone unfulfilled for some 5-6 years now.
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12/06/2012 01:28 PM
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6 nautical miles is lots my friend and also explains the Sun rising and setting in different spots.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22335519

"6 nautical miles"?? So now it has gone from 6 ARCMINUTES, to 6 DEGREES, to 6 NAUTICAL MILES in less than 24 hours?! No wonder the internet is a morass of confusion and misrepresented information!
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12/06/2012 01:29 PM
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Mods, please forgive my cross-posting this from the other thread, but I believe this anomaly deserves its own thread until resolved. Updates will be forthcoming.

While testing the rather silly claim that the constellation Orion moved out of place, I found that Orion was where it should be, but the offset from Polaris to the north celestial pole appears to be off from the expected value by about 6 arcminutes. This may be due to flexure or settling in the flimsy camera tripod, but the only way to know will be to repeat this measurement telescopically. Further posts will detail repeated measurements starting tomorrow if weather allows.

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It's probably gonna take a while. When he makes a video, he spends a good amount of time on it.
Quoting: #Geomagnetic_Storm#

Not making a video. Somethings not adding up on the axial rotation measurement (and you all thought I was a "shill" - I'm honest, even when it's very likely nothing at all). Tonight I took a shortcut and just used my SLR with telephoto lens on a tripod rather than hauling out the whole telescope. I also only had a few minutes of a gap between clouds and then it was clouded up completely. But something about this picture I took isn't adding up...
I'm consistently coming back to a distance of about 35 arcminutes for Polaris from the north celestial pole. That ain't right. It should be just shy of 41 arcminutes. Now, I've never calibrated this lens astrometrically before tonight, but I used the Polaris image itself as well as an earlier image I shot a few months back and they both resulted in about the same image scale of about 8.2 arcseconds per pixel at the resolution I'm using for analysis. Maybe I screwed my math up somewhere along the way, I'm running on very little sleep and I need to get some now if I'm every going to.

For the sake of sanity in the thread and so that people don't start killing themselves before I can solve this mystery, I've never tried to use my SLR camera by itself for this particular measurement before (I've always used my telescopes with the SLR catching the light at prime focus) and the 300mm telephoto lens I have is rather heavy. I'm thinking something settled or flexed on my camera tripod over the 8 minute exposure, causing the star trails to be artificially shifted by about 6 arcminutes (and for what it's worth, that's a small angle, one fifth the diameter of the moon's disc, it's not something Bubba in his trailer is going to notice just by casually looking and comparing by eye to a mountain range).

The telescopes I normally use are much beefier and sturdier. I'll repeat the measurement telescopically tomorrow. If telescopic measurement confirms it... I'll probably take a sniper bullet in the head because there's no way that kind of change could be kept secret without a mass assassination of every person like me.
Quoting: Dr. Astro

Quoting: Dr. Astro

have you seen this??

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25635894

This video is about MAGNETIC North changing it's position. Magnetic north has nothing to do with Celestial North.
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12/06/2012 01:33 PM
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Hats off to you Dr. Astro!!!

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Wow

A guy in a mobile home on another thread looks in the sky and believes he sees Orion in the wrong place in the sky, your Astro goes on that thread to debunk it and can't, then the egomaniac Astro starts his OWN thread piggy-backing off the other thread, and the mods here curtsy to their Queen Mother Astromut and un-pin the original thread and pin this nonsense to give Astromut all the attention his ego needs until this evening when his "clouds" miraculously part so he can see the sky and tell everyone that his initial findings were a mistake and there is nothing abnormal about Orion's place in the sky...and you and others applaud this joke?

If Orion is in the right place then who cares. If Orion is in the wrong place, then that means the Earth has shifted not Orion. If the Earth has shifted we would have heard about it from some other source than "Godlike Productions". So the problem will likely be with your Queen's tri-pod set up and not the movement of the planets

See you in 6 to 8 hours to see the debunker tell you all not to worry, he saved you all by fixing his tri-pod set up and put the Heavens back where they should be.

Then you can build a statue in honor of your hero Astromut for proving nothing has changed and go back to the original thread and ridcule to guy who brought this up to begin with

Typical yuppy behavior from you cult...I mean Astromut worshiping types
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1094960

Worshiping types ?

You are the one who seems to be obsessed with the guy. Your constant stalking of astro is just getting creepy and pathetic at this point.
The truth is the truth even if no one believes it and a lie is a lie even if everyone believes it!
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12/06/2012 01:34 PM
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“We all imagine the sun sitting in space with the planets revolving around it in orderly ellipses and circles. Yet in reality the sun moves a tremendous distance—three quarters of a million kilometers each day; the sun moves rapidly through time and space as the planets moving around it create a series of harmonic spirals.” -A.T. Mann

The reason we have a helical trajectory above and below the galactic ecliptic is because we are moving with other stars in a huge vortex arm of the galaxy which moves us above and below the galactic ecliptic in 25,625 year cycles for each hemisphere.

Precession of the Ages of the Zodiac". It is the effect of our entire Solar system in its serpent-like, spiraling vortex trajectory below the apparently stationary Zodiac.
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12/06/2012 01:34 PM
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Hats off to you Dr. Astro!!!

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10601066

Wow

A guy in a mobile home on another thread looks in the sky and believes he sees Orion in the wrong place in the sky, your Astro goes on that thread to debunk it and can't,
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1094960

Wrong. He confirmed that there is no anomaly anywhere NEAR big enough to see by eye. That means Trailer Park Guy is wrong. I guess that part went over your head.
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12/06/2012 01:35 PM
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6 nautical miles is lots my friend and also explains the Sun rising and setting in different spots.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22335519

"6 nautical miles"?? So now it has gone from 6 ARCMINUTES, to 6 DEGREES, to 6 NAUTICAL MILES in less than 24 hours?! No wonder the internet is a morass of confusion and misrepresented information!
Quoting: Menow 18943200

6 miles is the distance that 6 arcminutes equates to on the surface of the earth!
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12/06/2012 01:37 PM
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6 nautical miles is lots my friend and also explains the Sun rising and setting in different spots.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22335519

"6 nautical miles"?? So now it has gone from 6 ARCMINUTES, to 6 DEGREES, to 6 NAUTICAL MILES in less than 24 hours?! No wonder the internet is a morass of confusion and misrepresented information!
Quoting: Menow 18943200

RIGHT!

It's like that game (Telephone) we played in grade school, but on a much MUCH larger scale.
The truth is the truth even if no one believes it and a lie is a lie even if everyone believes it!
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12/06/2012 01:37 PM

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6 arcminutes is huge number.
Typical pole shift is measured in 100s of mas (mili arcseconds).

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12/06/2012 01:37 PM

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The only anomaly here is the fact that Astro is gettin respect... I cant recall a thread where he doesnt get flamed/trolled and spammed with the word shill etc.... Untill December 2012... lol doom must be on :P
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^^THIS
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24127047

Unless you're posting negative doom...you don't get respect.. ;)

I'm sure once an explanation for this is found, and it's not doom...he'll be bashed all over again...
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27302733

What's positive doom?
Quoting: Nexus-9

it has to do with one of two things.....negative and positive have to do with charges......or negative doom is when someone is preaching/forcasting true DOOM! positive doom is when they are positive there will be negative type doom and this is usually the time the bs flags start flying....I know that is as clear as mud but hey this is glp!
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12/06/2012 01:38 PM

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Maybe people are tired of the public stroking Astro gets every time he posts something? You all don't have a clue who "Dr" Astro is, or many of the other "people" found here on GLP....fact is you're all in for a rude awakening
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do dish
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12/06/2012 01:41 PM

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The pyrimids of giza are in line to Orion

can some one fly out to egypt and stand on one of the pyrimids and see if \orion is out of line megaliths?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12021356

OOH that is right the alignment happened a couple nights ago over the pyramids of Giza....hmm
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12/06/2012 01:42 PM

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Will someone please turn off the lights so Astro can remeasure.
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"CLICK"
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Menow
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12/06/2012 01:43 PM
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This thread is moving fast, what`s the verdict? Is the earth`s axis tilting? Poles shifting? I have noticed the changes but they are subtle, most people don`t have the time to pay attention. Thanks for taking the time to crunch the digits for us Dr. Astro!
Quoting: LonghairKing

The anomaly he is investigating is not big enough to see by eye. You can't have "noticed" what he is talking about.
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12/06/2012 01:50 PM
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have you seen this??

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MAGNETIC poles! Not related.
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12/06/2012 01:53 PM

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Been around the world twice, talked to everyone once. There ain't nothing i can't do, no sky too high, no sea too rough. I've learned a lot of lessons in my life, never shoot a large caliber man with a small caliber bullet. Anything in life worth doing is worth overdoing. Moderation's for cowards.

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I already have two. Last night I was doing it quick with just a telephoto lens and camera tripod, but I will measure it again with the scopes instead.
Quoting: Dr. Astro

hey Astro on a truly Beginners level is there a reasonable priced telescope you could recomend to someone wanting to star gaze....and learn a little??
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Quite possible.
Quoting: Dr. Astro

Dr. Astro, is there anyone you can contact at a major observatory to confirm your finding? I assume you have astronomy pals all over the world with access to awesome tools. I know very little about your field, but it seems that this is something that could be easily checked by other astronomers.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28018721

I have a contact at JPL who regularly does work at Palomar. That's the next step if, and that's a huge IF, telescopic measurements confirm it.
Quoting: Dr. Astro

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Quite possible.
Quoting: Dr. Astro

Dr. Astro, is there anyone you can contact at a major observatory to confirm your finding? I assume you have astronomy pals all over the world with access to awesome tools. I know very little about your field, but it seems that this is something that could be easily checked by other astronomers.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28018721

I have a contact at JPL who regularly does work at Palomar. That's the next step if, and that's a huge IF, telescopic measurements confirm it.
Quoting: Dr. Astro

I will ask my cousin who is an engineer-physicist ( one of the females that built worked the space shuttle ) she is also into everything there is to know about this kind of thing .
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Did she work with Howard Wolowitz??
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12/06/2012 01:56 PM
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6 nautical miles is lots my friend and also explains the Sun rising and setting in different spots.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22335519

"6 nautical miles"?? So now it has gone from 6 ARCMINUTES, to 6 DEGREES, to 6 NAUTICAL MILES in less than 24 hours?! No wonder the internet is a morass of confusion and misrepresented information!
Quoting: Menow 18943200

6 miles is the distance that 6 arcminutes equates to on the surface of the earth!
Quoting: Rolling Stone

It is STILL a tenth of a degree. You think anyone can SEE the sun rising and setting a TENTH OF A DEGREE out of place?

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12/06/2012 01:57 PM

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Didnt they say that Haiti quake shifted the axis ?
Quoting: Omniscient1

Damn Haitians!
Quoting: BRIEF

HEROES....The Haitian will wipe it all from our minds!!!!
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Menow
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12/06/2012 01:58 PM
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6 arcminutes is huge number.
Typical pole shift is measured in 100s of mas (mili arcseconds).
Quoting: EMPerror

Well, yes... astronomically speaking...*IF* it is true. On the other hand, it is on a completely difference scale from people claiming they SEE things out of place in the sky by MANY degrees!
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Wow

A guy in a mobile home on another thread looks in the sky and believes he sees Orion in the wrong place in the sky, your Astro goes on that thread to debunk it and can't,
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1094960

Yep, the (OP) did not demonstrate nothing till now (fried air as always).

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Last Edited by DVCMCM on 12/06/2012 02:02 PM
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12/06/2012 01:58 PM
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Dr. Astro - Why even post this thread?
Clearly it's an error.

Or are you just trolling?...
Quoting: 444 24172209

Astro is doing only truly correct thing which is to try to form opinions based on some personal direct measurements.

To side with anyone or any opinion without personal measurements is merely a political stance and not a truth based approach.

So I too applaud Astro in his diligence, and I applaud the guy in the trailer in the desert with his observations, if he has been able to see some unexpected truth, and is able to use that somehow as a touchstone and energetic location of his awareness,

but none of that reflects much on my stance, which is to not assume much about the supposed solid form of waking reality, neither the traditional or the fringe views.

Waking reality may be a thing which is more dream like in nature after all, when one gets past the noise of divided awareness points of view. Maybe one cannot assume too much about "what lies beyond these 4 walls".

The average person carries a tremendous load of "assumed" knowledge that out weighs the very little real direct knowledge a person has, by about a hundred to one.

I could, in theory, do some work to personally study the course of the stars and compare it against the traditional science idea of where they should be. But the fact is is that I really care very little about the issue because there is nothing in it that I can see that relates to anything I have any control over, so so-what.

So it's all cool.

Carry On

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12/06/2012 02:02 PM
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measure earth angle to sun ,the answer is there ... measure were it comes out & were it sets ....

ASk why all OLD Sundials in public places had being removed ...
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Wow

A guy in a mobile home on another thread looks in the sky and believes he sees Orion in the wrong place in the sky, your Astro goes on that thread to debunk it and can't,
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1094960

Yep, the (OP) did not demonstrate nothing till now (fried air as always).

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The unexamined life is not worth living
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12/06/2012 02:06 PM
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measure earth angle to sun ,the answer is there ... measure were it comes out & were it sets ....

ASk why all OLD Sundials in public places had being removed ...
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 218496

Internet myth.

Measure the height of Polaris above the horizon. It should match your latitude.

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12/06/2012 02:11 PM

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measure earth angle to sun ,the answer is there ... measure were it comes out & were it sets ....

ASk why all OLD Sundials in public places had being removed ...
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have they really??
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Wow

A guy in a mobile home on another thread looks in the sky and believes he sees Orion in the wrong place in the sky, your Astro goes on that thread to debunk it and can't,
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1094960

Yep, the (OP) did not demonstrate nothing till now (fried air as always).

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Quoting: DUCM900