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Axial rotation measurement anomaly *Update on pg 21 - Problem Solved*

 
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regardless of the whole thing imo its another thread where i can read interesting opinions about subjects i used to (and still mostly) know nothing

in the end its more intersting that boring telle lol
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Thanks for the pins, by the way!
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HI DR. ASTRO!! I read everyone of your posts, you're a genius. I think if you are right then you should win the Noble Piece Prize! But, I don't understand anything you say.

Guess what? Weasel (Wenzel??? cause he loves Denzel Washington) got the preacher's whore daughter pregnant and they is going to have a limper baby on account of Wenzel missing big toe, that's what the pictures show. I'm not living their anymore.

Sooooo, I was wondering if you got a girlfriend?

Your so smart!! Astro babies...! (just kidding) Do you have all your toes? It's ok if you don't.
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LOL! Didn't expect to see you here. Sorry to hear about Wenzel. I do have a girlfriend as well as all my toes.
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All Well can't blame a girl for trying. But, I bet my dolly partons are bigger than herssssssss....
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we......are.......fucked
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We were fucked a long time ago. I can't believe how many people have not paided one bit of attention to anything around here.

I guess all the silly Suntards and Moontards were not so silly.

Thread after thread about the sun being in places in people yards and gardens that it hadn't before. Hundreds of those threads.

Sundials came up in those threads tons of times.

Everybody being ridiculed by the Gang Banger Astronomy guys around here. Insulted. Called Liers.

The sheep that just post without reading the information in the threads. Quick Quick and fast fast to post their dribble.

Poetic Justice. This is just the tip of the Iceberg. Its just starting and Earths rotational axis and Wobble are going to expand and get worse as we go along here.

The pictures going up ALL OVER FROM EVERYWHERE about THE OTHER CELESTIAL BODY IN THE NEIBORHOOD.

By December 21.2012 we are all going to SEE and KNOW. Wait and see.

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and when nothing happens by that date what is the new doomsday date you'll shift to instead of just admitting you're wrong?
If you have to insist that you've won an Internet argument, you've probably lost badly. - Danth's Law
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Well, obviously this is an error because a 6 arcmin difference @ a distance of 425 light years would be a, about, 4.5 light years "jump". That would be impossible of course, except if someone could teleport all of the Polaris system! Even Scotty couldn't do that, LOL. The proper motion of Polaris is very small
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29198641


This past week either in Space.Com or in NASA websites, or perhaps it was Physics.Org, the statement was given that the "standard" distance of Polaris was discovered to be off by a considerable factor. Something in teh 3xx.00 range of light years.

I suppose one could find it if they bothered.
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SO MUCH FOR ALL THOSE ASTRONOMY SITES AND THE DATA THEY PROVIDE. bET THEIR NOT SHOWING THIS. Of course they are not. They show everything as normal. Make the changes and still say shit is normal. Update more shit as normal.

Anybody using their data to prove or unprove anything is stupid.

Raw data thats uncontaminated is the only way to know for sure whats up. Anybody that trusts any of those sites who's data is provide by the Navy/Government is a sheep.All the sites. ALL OF THEM are given the information from the GOVERNMENT. ITS TRUE. GO CHECK IT OUT YOURSELF. ITS TRUE.
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they're not showing this because it is most likely a mistake.
If you have to insist that you've won an Internet argument, you've probably lost badly. - Danth's Law
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Hm I have a question.
If it your meassurments were correct, would telescopes with goto still function properly?
If not, wouldnt thousands of astronomers have noticed this by now and someone would have posted it online somewhere?
Thanks
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Astro is doing it the right way.

He has seen an anomoly.
He is explaining how he saw it.
He has explained how people with similar equipment can duplicate his measurement.
He is now working on confirming the measurement with equipment designed to do so.

These are steps that the usual jump-to-conclusions Suntards and Moontards never take themselves. And if he finds that the anomoly was due to the equipment he was using, and that there isn't really an anomoly at all, they will all merely start yelling 'shill' once again.
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You get it. Thank you!
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


At least someone gets it. there had to be at least one right?
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Ok.....then, if it is an error, it is an error.

However, if his instruments prove to be alright and it is an anomaly, THEN what?

Can we panic then?

Or wait until we consult Palomar to have them say "Gee wiz, that's strange!!! Interesting anomaly!!! Nothing to see here folks!!."

You may trust what the PTB tell you, but many here do not. Sorry if that upsets you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29217019


Why don't you list the astronomers and observatories which are part of the "PTB"? Then we can check with any of the tens of thousands of other ones, K?
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Palomar, NASA.................................
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29217019


That's it? Palomar and NASA? Well, that leaves 99.99% of the worlds astronomers available for anyone to contact about the "anomalies" they claim to see in the sky. GO for it!
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That's SOME of the examples.........

Basically you're saying "Big Dog NASA is in on it but the rest of the smaller observatories are not, so it is crap!"
Nice dodge.
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The only anomaly here is the fact that Astro is gettin respect... I cant recall a thread where he doesnt get flamed/trolled and spammed with the word shill etc.... Untill December 2012... lol doom must be on :P
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29181390


You know why?
He used add offenses to each of his arguments, but this time he speaks plain English without trying to trigger emotional reaction. It is more professional this way for sure. hf
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Bullshit. He sometimes puts jackasses in their place... and they deserve it!
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Hi Minime! I still recognize you from your style:-)
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bye bye astromut.....
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Well, obviously this is an error because a 6 arcmin difference @ a distance of 425 light years would be a, about, 4.5 light years "jump". That would be impossible of course, except if someone could teleport all of the Polaris system! Even Scotty couldn't do that, LOL. The proper motion of Polaris is very small
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29198641


This past week either in Space.Com or in NASA websites, or perhaps it was Physics.Org, the statement was given that the "standard" distance of Polaris was discovered to be off by a considerable factor. Something in teh 3xx.00 range of light years.

I suppose one could find it if they bothered.
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Yeah, I'll say the measurements, as per the article(who knows what to believe anymore from Never A Straight Answer or other Gooberment & Gobberment funded, agencies), were stated, not to be slightly off but about 25% off. That is a HUGE discrepancy!
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In his book, "Between Two Ages," Brzezinski wrote: "The technetronic era involves the gradual appearance of a more controlled society. Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values."

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Why don't you list the astronomers and observatories which are part of the "PTB"? Then we can check with any of the tens of thousands of other ones, K?
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


Palomar, NASA.................................
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29217019


That's it? Palomar and NASA? Well, that leaves 99.99% of the worlds astronomers available for anyone to contact about the "anomalies" they claim to see in the sky. GO for it!
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


That's SOME of the examples.........

Basically you're saying "Big Dog NASA is in on it but the rest of the smaller observatories are not, so it is crap!"
Nice dodge.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29217019


"Some". I see.. I didn't tell you how to make your list. I asked YOU to make the list!

How about making a list of astronomers and observatories who are NOT part of the "PTB"? YOU tell US! Or are you implying that ALL of the world's astronomers and observatories are "in on it"?

By the way... what is this "it" that ANY of them are supposedly "in on"? Please be SPECIFIC!
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Hm I have a question.
If it your meassurments were correct, would telescopes with goto still function properly?
If not, wouldnt thousands of astronomers have noticed this by now and someone would have posted it online somewhere?
Thanks
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It depends. As long as you had recently done an alignment or synced on a star's position, it would work for a while because the stars are all still in the same place relative to each other. It wouldn't track perfectly though, there would be a minimum of 6 arcminutes difference between where the telescope's computer expects the NCP to be relative to the stars and where it actually is. Over time this would result in drift between where the stars actually are and where the computer expects them to be, the same as if you put a "dumb" telescope with a mechanical clockdrive in a polar alignment that was 6 arcminutes off. By the end of the night you could expect to see a problem in GOTO functionality unless you occasionally re-synced it.

But yeah, I would expect to see an amateur astronomer uproar pretty quickly if this were real, so either it just happened and I got lucky to be the first to post about it, or it's an error. I think it's pretty obvious which is more likely, but this is how we handle things in science with rigorous checking and re-checking.
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+[- 15417893:MV8yMDcyNDkxXzM0ODg5MDg1X0NDQjhCM0Ux]
waiting....some info about polaris

North Star May Be Wasting Away
[link to news.sciencemag.org]
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Oh. Isn't that handy dandy now. When was the put up. Geez the one thing people will measure too and its got a problem all of a sudden. Handy Dandy. Just gets more interesting all the time.

The North Star has been used for navigation and measurements since the days of the Vikings and geez its got a problem. Scratch scratch the head. Go Figure.

Puzzling how even Astro who stays up on all this stuff made no mention about the most important star in the Universe.
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The only anomaly here is the fact that Astro is gettin respect... I cant recall a thread where he doesnt get flamed/trolled and spammed with the word shill etc.... Untill December 2012... lol doom must be on :P
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29181390


You know why?
He used add offenses to each of his arguments, but this time he speaks plain English without trying to trigger emotional reaction. It is more professional this way for sure. hf
 Quoting: emerald_glow


Bullshit. He sometimes puts jackasses in their place... and they deserve it!
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


Hi Minime! I still recognize you from your style:-)
 Quoting: emerald_glow


Sorry, but I'm not a "Minime", whatever that is.
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Astro is doing it the right way.

He has seen an anomoly.
He is explaining how he saw it.
He has explained how people with similar equipment can duplicate his measurement.
He is now working on confirming the measurement with equipment designed to do so.

These are steps that the usual jump-to-conclusions Suntards and Moontards never take themselves. And if he finds that the anomoly was due to the equipment he was using, and that there isn't really an anomoly at all, they will all merely start yelling 'shill' once again.
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You get it. Thank you!
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


At least someone gets it. there had to be at least one right?
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Just wondering if you are the same "weasel" that Smokey Mountain Girl said got "preacher's whore daughter pregnant"

chuckle

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Maybe this is all part of the reason why our ancestors used to migrate alot. to try and stay with the weather as climate zones changed location. who knows, probably nothing is wrong
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They followed the game and forage.. in season.
Staying too long depleted the resources in the immediate area.
Somewhat climate-related.
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Well, obviously this is an error because a 6 arcmin difference @ a distance of 425 light years would be a, about, 4.5 light years "jump". That would be impossible of course, except if someone could teleport all of the Polaris system! Even Scotty couldn't do that, LOL. The proper motion of Polaris is very small
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29198641


This past week either in Space.Com or in NASA websites, or perhaps it was Physics.Org, the statement was given that the "standard" distance of Polaris was discovered to be off by a considerable factor. Something in teh 3xx.00 range of light years.

I suppose one could find it if they bothered.
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I read that also, maybe spaceweather.com?
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Something that can be so easily confirmed by thousands of sources, and not just ones controlled or controllable by the government, yet only GLP tardfest is on the bandwagon.

No sorry, you're full of shit.
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+[- 15417893:MV8yMDcyNDkxXzM0ODg5MDg1X0NDQjhCM0Ux]
waiting....some info about polaris

North Star May Be Wasting Away
[link to news.sciencemag.org]
 Quoting: Perseus -


Oh. Isn't that handy dandy now. When was the put up. Geez the one thing people will measure too and its got a problem all of a sudden. Handy Dandy. Just gets more interesting all the time.

The North Star has been used for navigation and measurements since the days of the Vikings and geez its got a problem. Scratch scratch the head. Go Figure.

Puzzling how even Astro who stays up on all this stuff made no mention about the most important star in the Universe.
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I don't think it's any danger of dying out in our lifetimes. And it's a double star too, so at least there's a telescopically observable spare ;)
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Something that can be so easily confirmed by thousands of sources, and not just ones controlled or controllable by the government, yet only GLP tardfest is on the bandwagon.

No sorry, you're full of shit.
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Dude, chill, I openly stated it's almost certainly an error, I'm just honestly and transparently presenting my data as well as my process for checking that data. It's a teachable moment, no need to raise the BS flag.
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Something that can be so easily confirmed by thousands of sources, and not just ones controlled or controllable by the government, yet only GLP tardfest is on the bandwagon.

No sorry, you're full of shit.
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Dude, chill, I openly stated it's almost certainly an error, I'm just honestly and transparently presenting my data as well as my process for checking that data. It's a teachable moment, no need to raise the BS flag.
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is this why birds can't fly to the moon ?
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is this why birds can't fly to the moon ?
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Yes!
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is this why birds can't fly to the moon ?
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Yes!
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Once someone else can confirm this, i will believe it. Until then, interesting observation!
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