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Axial rotation measurement anomaly *Update on pg 21 - Problem Solved*

 
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Thank God! Thanks Astro 8-)... for sleuthing this out for everyone.
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It appears that all is right with the world. I found Polaris to be 835.7 pixels from the north celestial pole:
[link to i319.photobucket.com]
Previous astrometric calibration with this telescope and camera show that it has a resolution of 2.93 arcseconds per pixel:
[link to www.flickr.com]
Given that Polaris' declination after accounting for precession is 89d 19' 09.8", it should have been 2,450.2 arcseconds from the north celestial pole. 835.7*2.93 = 2448.601 for a difference of 1.599, less than the resolution of this telescope/camera combo and meaning that the NCP was exactly where it should have been in the image (I used my widefield refractor; had I used the main telescope Polaris would have been outside of the field of view and I would have had to measure off something else, leaving a question as to whether or not Polaris itself had mysteriously warped somewhere else). Here's the raw photograph from which the measurements were made. I used PixInsight dynamic background subtraction in the above version to subtract out some of the light pollution:
[link to i319.photobucket.com]
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


In normal English for dummies, please...

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It appears that all is right with the world. I found Polaris to be 835.7 pixels from the north celestial pole:
[link to i319.photobucket.com]
Previous astrometric calibration with this telescope and camera show that it has a resolution of 2.93 arcseconds per pixel:
[link to www.flickr.com]
Given that Polaris' declination after accounting for precession is 89d 19' 09.8", it should have been 2,450.2 arcseconds from the north celestial pole. 835.7*2.93 = 2448.601 for a difference of 1.599, less than the resolution of this telescope/camera combo and meaning that the NCP was exactly where it should have been in the image (I used my widefield refractor; had I used the main telescope Polaris would have been outside of the field of view and I would have had to measure off something else, leaving a question as to whether or not Polaris itself had mysteriously warped somewhere else). Here's the raw photograph from which the measurements were made. I used PixInsight dynamic background subtraction in the above version to subtract out some of the light pollution:
[link to i319.photobucket.com]
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


So the moral of the story, don't use a cheap camera tripod with a heavy SLR camera to try to accurately measure things astrometrically. It just doesn't work. Tonight I used the proper equipment, a Canon XTi SLR attached via t-threads to an Orion ST-80 refractor riding piggyback on a Meade 8" LX200 Classic, a very sturdy telescope fully capable of handling that kind of payload.
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But of course. Which puts new credibility to my doom in late 2085 theory. You doom meisters are looking for something that probably wont happen until after your dead or at least very, very old...sorry charlie(s)

Keep on keeping on with one eye to the sky. And I'm not saying personal doom wont happen before that, I'm talking about ELE pole shift type doom. Going to be plenty of trouble leading up to the end.
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Is Dr. Astro a poster known for his thorough and accurate postings? I'm not familiar with his reputation here.
 Quoting: itsamadmadworld


He once had a good reputation for being a voice of reason.

Then he posted a misleading and alarmist thread based on a single dodgy unchecked measurment, using even more dodgy equipment.

Now his reputation is only slightly better than that of the other trolls here,



In short - you could say his reputation is currentley in the gutter..

..but he's still looking at the stars.



5a
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hey maybe it wasn't even the equipment - but human error.

Is it possible to fix the wrong star as Polaris?

I'm sure it is.
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It appears that all is right with the world. I found Polaris to be 835.7 pixels from the north celestial pole:
[link to i319.photobucket.com]
Previous astrometric calibration with this telescope and camera show that it has a resolution of 2.93 arcseconds per pixel:
[link to www.flickr.com]
Given that Polaris' declination after accounting for precession is 89d 19' 09.8", it should have been 2,450.2 arcseconds from the north celestial pole. 835.7*2.93 = 2448.601 for a difference of 1.599, less than the resolution of this telescope/camera combo and meaning that the NCP was exactly where it should have been in the image (I used my widefield refractor; had I used the main telescope Polaris would have been outside of the field of view and I would have had to measure off something else, leaving a question as to whether or not Polaris itself had mysteriously warped somewhere else). Here's the raw photograph from which the measurements were made. I used PixInsight dynamic background subtraction in the above version to subtract out some of the light pollution:
[link to i319.photobucket.com]
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


So the moral of the story, don't use a cheap camera tripod with a heavy SLR camera to try to accurately measure things astrometrically. It just doesn't work. Tonight I used the proper equipment, a Canon XTi SLR attached via t-threads to an Orion ST-80 refractor riding piggyback on a Meade 8" LX200 Classic, a very sturdy telescope fully capable of handling that kind of payload.
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Thank you for the update...Good night:-) :hf:
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Is Dr. Astro a poster known for his thorough and accurate postings? I'm not familiar with his reputation here.
 Quoting: itsamadmadworld


He once had a good reputation for being a voice of reason.

Then he posted a misleading and alarmist thread based on a single dodgy unchecked measurment, using even more dodgy equipment.

Now his reputation is only slightly better than that of the other trolls here,

In short - you could say his reputation is currentley in the gutter..

..but he's still looking at the stars.


5a
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25720192

If you are talking about the California Missile, please remember that we asked him to speculate. I happened to enjoy the hell out of that thread and I learned a lot about how shit really works.

between all of the bullshit "attack astro" posts, of course.

Last Edited by Éireann on 12/07/2012 02:58 AM
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Is Dr. Astro a poster known for his thorough and accurate postings? I'm not familiar with his reputation here.
 Quoting: itsamadmadworld


He once had a good reputation for being a voice of reason.

Then he posted a misleading and alarmist thread based on a single dodgy unchecked measurment, using even more dodgy equipment.

Now his reputation is only slightly better than that of the other trolls here,



In short - you could say his reputation is currentley in the gutter..

..but he's still looking at the stars.



5a
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Then I guess you missed the point of this thread, to show that you should always look for problems in methodology, don't just trust dodgy evidence, check it, see if it holds up to scrutiny. I said from the very beginning that I believed the initial measurement was faulty and I even stated why. I tested that hypothesis tonight and found that indeed a sturdy telescope solves the problem.

I did precisely what you won't see some dodgy "researcher" on youtube do every time they see what they think is evidence of a "pole shift" or "nibiru." I questioned my own results and re-tested with proper methods.
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Mods, please forgive my cross-posting this from the other thread, but I believe this anomaly deserves its own thread until resolved. Updates will be forthcoming.

While testing the rather silly claim that the constellation Orion moved out of place, I found that Orion was where it should be, but the offset from Polaris to the north celestial pole appears to be off from the expected value by about 6 arcminutes. This may be due to flexure or settling in the flimsy camera tripod, but the only way to know will be to repeat this measurement telescopically. Further posts will detail repeated measurements starting tomorrow if weather allows.

It's been over an hour. Either the shit hit the fan or he fell asleep. Like I should be doing. Or, maybe he is on the phone with NASA. Got to get past pressing 1 a dozen times before you can choose English to proceed. Then there's a ton of red tape to fight your way through which sends you to the janitor. After you convince him he doesn't need to sweep away and hide any dirt, you get a security. need to convince him you arent on GLP by talking about the latest on Fox news, then you get a scientist. When you convince him you aren't asking about Nibiru he may answer.

These things take time.
 Quoting: Serendipitous


Interesting times we live in.

It's probably gonna take a while. When he makes a video, he spends a good amount of time on it.
 Quoting: #Geomagnetic_Storm#


Not making a video. Somethings not adding up on the axial rotation measurement (and you all thought I was a "shill" - I'm honest, even when it's very likely nothing at all). Tonight I took a shortcut and just used my SLR with telephoto lens on a tripod rather than hauling out the whole telescope. I also only had a few minutes of a gap between clouds and then it was clouded up completely. But something about this picture I took isn't adding up...
[link to i319.photobucket.com]
I'm consistently coming back to a distance of about 35 arcminutes for Polaris from the north celestial pole. That ain't right. It should be just shy of 41 arcminutes. Now, I've never calibrated this lens astrometrically before tonight, but I used the Polaris image itself as well as an earlier image I shot a few months back and they both resulted in about the same image scale of about 8.2 arcseconds per pixel at the resolution I'm using for analysis. Maybe I screwed my math up somewhere along the way, I'm running on very little sleep and I need to get some now if I'm every going to.

For the sake of sanity in the thread and so that people don't start killing themselves before I can solve this mystery, I've never tried to use my SLR camera by itself for this particular measurement before (I've always used my telescopes with the SLR catching the light at prime focus) and the 300mm telephoto lens I have is rather heavy. I'm thinking something settled or flexed on my camera tripod over the 8 minute exposure, causing the star trails to be artificially shifted by about 6 arcminutes (and for what it's worth, that's a small angle, one fifth the diameter of the moon's disc, it's not something Bubba in his trailer is going to notice just by casually looking and comparing by eye to a mountain range).

The telescopes I normally use are much beefier and sturdier. I'll repeat the measurement telescopically tomorrow. If telescopic measurement confirms it... I'll probably take a sniper bullet in the head because there's no way that kind of change could be kept secret without a mass assassination of every person like me.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro

 Quoting: Dr. Astro

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Is Dr. Astro a poster known for his thorough and accurate postings? I'm not familiar with his reputation here.
 Quoting: itsamadmadworld


He once had a good reputation for being a voice of reason.

Then he posted a misleading and alarmist thread based on a single dodgy unchecked measurment, using even more dodgy equipment.

Now his reputation is only slightly better than that of the other trolls here,

In short - you could say his reputation is currentley in the gutter..

..but he's still looking at the stars.


5a
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25720192

If you are talking about the California Missile, please remember that we asked him to speculate. I happened to enjoy the hell out of that thread and I learned a lot about how shit really works.

between all of the bullshit "attack astro" posts, of course.
 Quoting: Éireann


no, I am talking abnout this thread.

The one you are reading.
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Is Dr. Astro a poster known for his thorough and accurate postings? I'm not familiar with his reputation here.
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He once had a good reputation for being a voice of reason.

Then he posted a misleading and alarmist thread based on a single dodgy unchecked measurment, using even more dodgy equipment.

Now his reputation is only slightly better than that of the other trolls here,



In short - you could say his reputation is currentley in the gutter..

..but he's still looking at the stars.



5a
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25720192


hey maybe it wasn't even the equipment - but human error.

Is it possible to fix the wrong star as Polaris?

I'm sure it is.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25720192


No, it was not human error, it was an equipment problem. I identified Polaris properly last night and confirmed it astrometrically. That was not the problem:
[link to nova.astrometry.net]
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Is Dr. Astro a poster known for his thorough and accurate postings? I'm not familiar with his reputation here.
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He once had a good reputation for being a voice of reason.

Then he posted a misleading and alarmist thread based on a single dodgy unchecked measurment, using even more dodgy equipment.

Now his reputation is only slightly better than that of the other trolls here,

In short - you could say his reputation is currentley in the gutter..

..but he's still looking at the stars.


5a
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25720192

If you are talking about the California Missile, please remember that we asked him to speculate. I happened to enjoy the hell out of that thread and I learned a lot about how shit really works.

between all of the bullshit "attack astro" posts, of course.
 Quoting: Éireann


no, I am talking abnout this thread.

The one you are reading.
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And he verified his calculations were wrong so your problem is? He did what he set out to do. I thought it was a great journey in teaching the scientific method. It isn't as fancy or exciting to some as making shit up, but it's precise.
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.. i would hope you didn't do this , knowing it was wrong in the first place just to prove a point...
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.. i would hope you didn't do this , knowing it was wrong in the first place just to prove a point...
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That's some serious paranoia you've got there.

Really?
Éireann~

Eisteacht le gra! ~ArunaLuna (Translation from Gaelic: "Listen to Love!")

"And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale." - Thomas Jefferson, from a Letter to John Taylor written in 1816

"Unfortunately, it is in the nature of man to tinker - even with immutable truth. Thus, we must be ever vigilant... - James Munford

“It is a sad fate for a man to die too well known to everybody else, and still unknown to himself.” - Francis Bacon

"Better the illusions that exalt us than ten thousand truths" - Aleksander Pushkin
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Eh fuk it. I'm done with this thread.

You people don't know a gift when you see one. Astro is the only one of us that actually would raise the alarm from here to God if something was really going to hit us.
Éireann~

Eisteacht le gra! ~ArunaLuna (Translation from Gaelic: "Listen to Love!")

"And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale." - Thomas Jefferson, from a Letter to John Taylor written in 1816

"Unfortunately, it is in the nature of man to tinker - even with immutable truth. Thus, we must be ever vigilant... - James Munford

“It is a sad fate for a man to die too well known to everybody else, and still unknown to himself.” - Francis Bacon

"Better the illusions that exalt us than ten thousand truths" - Aleksander Pushkin
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He has a sense of humor...It's a dry wit.
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Sarcastic irony only leaves one real comeback, ...silence.. or something new and half witty, or retarded doesn't matter., the ability to lol at it does matter though, it's called having skin.

Not really pushing any end-time Bible stuff on this other than it is states that a 'fixed position' of some stars does happen, that points to God being a singular author.(to have that knowledge, not proof but definitely in the 'weird zone'

Lu:21:7:
And they asked him,
saying,
Master,
but when shall these things be?
and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?
Lu:21:8:
And he said,
Take heed that ye be not deceived:
for many shall come in my name,
saying,
I am Christ;
and the time draweth near:
go ye not therefore after them.
Lu:21:9:
But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions,
be not terrified:
for these things must first come to pass;
but the end is not by and by.
Lu:21:10:
Then said he unto them,
Nation shall rise against nation,
and kingdom against kingdom:
Lu:21:11:
And great earthquakes shall be in divers places,
and famines,
and pestilences;
and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.

The coals from heaven in Re:8 are Saul like events and the real shit is the first 4 trumps in 4 days, enough to put the whole world under martial law type conditions, then they are ripe for the pickings for two 'serpents acting in random for 1260 days in all and the last 4 days they have control of Jerusalem. All the gory details are in Da;11 but I can only pick out a few references.

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.. i would hope you didn't do this , knowing it was wrong in the first place just to prove a point...
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Would you have rather me covered up or hidden the problem to start with? Would that not have the very kind of dishonest thing my detractors for so long have accused me of doing or being prone to do if ever I found something that didn't match expectations? Sure, I knew it was probably just a failure of the equipment, but I could not have in good conscience hidden that failure.
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It appears that all is right with the world. I found Polaris to be 835.7 pixels from the north celestial pole:
[link to i319.photobucket.com]
Previous astrometric calibration with this telescope and camera show that it has a resolution of 2.93 arcseconds per pixel:
[link to www.flickr.com]
Given that Polaris' declination after accounting for precession is 89d 19' 09.8", it should have been 2,450.2 arcseconds from the north celestial pole. 835.7*2.93 = 2448.601 for a difference of 1.599, less than the resolution of this telescope/camera combo and meaning that the NCP was exactly where it should have been in the image (I used my widefield refractor; had I used the main telescope Polaris would have been outside of the field of view and I would have had to measure off something else, leaving a question as to whether or not Polaris itself had mysteriously warped somewhere else). Here's the raw photograph from which the measurements were made. I used PixInsight dynamic background subtraction in the above version to subtract out some of the light pollution:
[link to i319.photobucket.com]
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


So the moral of the story, don't use a cheap camera tripod with a heavy SLR camera to try to accurately measure things astrometrically. It just doesn't work. Tonight I used the proper equipment, a Canon XTi SLR attached via t-threads to an Orion ST-80 refractor riding piggyback on a Meade 8" LX200 Classic, a very sturdy telescope fully capable of handling that kind of payload.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Whew. That's a relief. I feared the Reptilian Galactic Overlords may have had to adjust the obliquity by 2400 arcsec.
In secret, of course.
And then scour the world for everyone with a scope and books and give them the MIB treatment.

That would have been a lot of work you'd have caused us.
Don't you ever do this again young man.

Have fun.


R.
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Cheers Astro - Which is pretty much what I said yesterday...

Good work non the less.
 Quoting: Dr. PhD 23168991


Thank you for your work tonight Astro ! it is appreciated !hfsmile_kiss
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Damn. Doom cancelled. AGAIN.

*sigh*
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Is Dr. Astro a poster known for his thorough and accurate postings? I'm not familiar with his reputation here.
 Quoting: itsamadmadworld


He once had a good reputation for being a voice of reason.

Then he posted a misleading and alarmist thread based on a single dodgy unchecked measurment, using even more dodgy equipment.

Now his reputation is only slightly better than that of the other trolls here,



In short - you could say his reputation is currentley in the gutter..

..but he's still looking at the stars.



5a
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Then I guess you missed the point of this thread, to show that you should always look for problems in methodology, don't just trust dodgy evidence, check it, see if it holds up to scrutiny. I said from the very beginning that I believed the initial measurement was faulty and I even stated why. I tested that hypothesis tonight and found that indeed a sturdy telescope solves the problem.

I did precisely what you won't see some dodgy "researcher" on youtube do every time they see what they think is evidence of a "pole shift" or "nibiru." I questioned my own results and re-tested with proper methods.
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All of which is true, and for which i have respect for you for.

But still, does not take away form the fact that this was a misleading alarmist thread.

22 pages for what - a fucked up measurment.

Its a shame this was not a troll thread, becuase if it was it would have been a good one.

You can say all you like about the technicalities of how this is a thread "about a measurment anomoly", however the truth was thst it was more than that.

The lesson should not be " use the proper equipment"

the lesson should be " if you want people to take you seroiusly don't cry wolf, and don't publish until you are sure"

Imagine you really do see something unusual, a week from now, something you check and it seems correct.
Will anyone believe you now?


I still tip my hat to you though - one of the better posters on glp for sure, with interesting threads.

and in time your reputation may recover.

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Understandable. Just a lot of stir for an error.. this kind of problem seems "above you" , is all. =P Won't say anything else about this.
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Eh fuk it. I'm done with this thread.

You people don't know a gift when you see one. Astro is the only one of us that actually would raise the alarm from here to God if something was really going to hit us.
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but would anyone believe him after this latest thread?

I think not
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cheers astro MD dasbier
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Is Dr. Astro a poster known for his thorough and accurate postings? I'm not familiar with his reputation here.
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He once had a good reputation for being a voice of reason.

Then he posted a misleading and alarmist thread based on a single dodgy unchecked measurment, using even more dodgy equipment.

Now his reputation is only slightly better than that of the other trolls here,



In short - you could say his reputation is currentley in the gutter..

..but he's still looking at the stars.



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Then I guess you missed the point of this thread, to show that you should always look for problems in methodology, don't just trust dodgy evidence, check it, see if it holds up to scrutiny. I said from the very beginning that I believed the initial measurement was faulty and I even stated why. I tested that hypothesis tonight and found that indeed a sturdy telescope solves the problem.

I did precisely what you won't see some dodgy "researcher" on youtube do every time they see what they think is evidence of a "pole shift" or "nibiru." I questioned my own results and re-tested with proper methods.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


All of which is true, and for which i have respect for you for.

But still, does not take away form the fact that this was a misleading alarmist thread.

22 pages for what - a fucked up measurment.
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I said from the beginning to expect that. I did this as openly and transparently as humanly possible. I really don't see how you can find fault with me.
the lesson should be " if you want people to take you seroiusly don't cry wolf, and don't publish until you are sure"
 Quoting: AC

That's another good lesson as well, but in my estimation a greater lesson could be learned from teaching how to question your own results and do the proper legwork to arrive at the correct answer. I explained time and time again that I believed the problem to be the camera tripod. That's not crying wolf.
Imagine you really do see something unusual, a week from now, something you check and it seems correct.
Will anyone believe you now?
 Quoting: AC

Of course. If I check it, show what I'm doing, and explain the results then not only will it give good reason to believe me, but it will make whatever I did repeatable. That's how science works. You don't always, or even usually, get an exciting result. There are entire scientific journals dedicated to negative results. This, however, is an internet forum, not a scientific journal. I think it's more interesting and educational for everyone if they get to come along for the journey and see how it's done step by step as I do it.
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He once had a good reputation for being a voice of reason.

Then he posted a misleading and alarmist thread based on a single dodgy unchecked measurment, using even more dodgy equipment.

Now his reputation is only slightly better than that of the other trolls here,



In short - you could say his reputation is currentley in the gutter..

..but he's still looking at the stars.



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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25720192


Then I guess you missed the point of this thread, to show that you should always look for problems in methodology, don't just trust dodgy evidence, check it, see if it holds up to scrutiny. I said from the very beginning that I believed the initial measurement was faulty and I even stated why. I tested that hypothesis tonight and found that indeed a sturdy telescope solves the problem.

I did precisely what you won't see some dodgy "researcher" on youtube do every time they see what they think is evidence of a "pole shift" or "nibiru." I questioned my own results and re-tested with proper methods.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


All of which is true, and for which i have respect for you for.

But still, does not take away form the fact that this was a misleading alarmist thread.

22 pages for what - a fucked up measurment.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25720192

I said from the beginning to expect that. I did this as openly and transparently as humanly possible. I really don't see how you can find fault with me.
the lesson should be " if you want people to take you seroiusly don't cry wolf, and don't publish until you are sure"
 Quoting: AC

That's another good lesson as well, but in my estimation a greater lesson could be learned from teaching how to question your own results and do the proper legwork to arrive at the correct answer. I explained time and time again that I believed the problem to be the camera tripod. That's not crying wolf.
Imagine you really do see something unusual, a week from now, something you check and it seems correct.
Will anyone believe you now?
 Quoting: AC

Of course. If I check it, show what I'm doing, and explain the results then not only will it give good reason to believe me, but it will make whatever I did repeatable. That's how science works. You don't always, or even usually, get an exciting result. There are entire scientific journals dedicated to negative results. This, however, is an internet forum, not a scientific journal. I think it's more interesting and educational for everyone if they get to come along for the journey and see how it's done step by step as I do it.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Maybe you are thinking everyone is on the same frequency as you.

They are not.

Many will see this not as an "educational thread about how to cross check your results" but instead as " another cry wolf thread".

Just stating facts.

That is how people will see it.,

You might not choose to see that, or acknowledge that.
But no amount of logic or 'what you have actually said' in this thread takes away from that fact.

Like i said - if you want to be taken seriosly, and want to have a good reputation, you don't start 'educational threads' like this concerning axis tilt 2weeks before 12.21.12 on a fucking consiracy forum.

Just to take everyone on 'an educational journey'.
Then be surprised when your reputation suffers.
Know your audience man.

Clearly you are not stupid - but dude - seriously, are you stupid or something?
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thanks for checking this out!

and my .02 as a somewhat newbie but it was clear throughout this thread that you had the support of many, many posters and hopefully you feel good about that and ignore the others with poor comprehension skills

hf

eta: missed a word

Last Edited by scorpio66 on 12/07/2012 03:26 AM

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