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Axial rotation measurement anomaly *Update on pg 21 - Problem Solved*

 
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Coming from Astromut, it's very serious shit...


I really hope he is RIGHT, and something is REALLY wrong, so I can get some good PANIC SEX!
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Know your audience - really applies here.
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I have a novice question, as we pass through the exact core is there any possibility that we could experience a (literally) blinding flash of light. At all let alone for 3 days or so? Could a movie version be maybe using high quality base maps that already exists and the climax is the dreaded phone call that says, "Sir, we have an incoming." to which is question, "Asteroid or comet/", the reply, "Sir you don't understand, it's a complete galaxy and approaching at 99% light speed and we have 4 hours, what are your orders?"
"Houston?"
"Houston?"
"Houston?"

Compare that to what happens when Babylon is the name being referenced.

"Sir, we have an incoming." to which Satan questions, "Star or Galaxy or Black hold", the reply, "Sir you don't understand, it's 7 complete galaxies broadcasting the same message at the same time while being at vastly differences distances and that was 4 hours ago that it passed and so far no damage to anything, what are your orders?"
"Babylon?"
"Babylon?"
"Babylon?"

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Astro thanks for all the measurements and stuff you did, very cool equipment too.

But I don't get it, the fact, that the guy in the video said, is still there?
If he makes a new video where we could see the Orion rising from the other place, then it's kinda tested by you, but it's still rising from a different place or is the guy there just a bit wrong with his statements?

Maybe I missed the answere somewhere in these pages.
Someone may answere.

Thaanks
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Any more updates?
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Any more updates?
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To be fair, a guy in a trailer said he saw a wolf. I said I was going to go take a picture and show it to not be a wolf. Unfortunately I end up with a picture that looks like a wolf, but in hindsight I think I know why. I explain it. Now I could have hid the wolf-like picture, doing exactly what so many accuse me of doing, but instead I decide to do the honest thing. I didn't know going into it that the tripod would prove to be unreliable. That was my fault. I shouldn't have added a new complication to my old measurement technique. But I don't regret honestly reporting the problem and openly stating what I thought the problem was.
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Thankyou for your time, Good Karma for you...hf
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Thank you astro, I am glad it was just equipment failier.

To those saying they would not believe astro after this, I would, I don't think some people here understand how the world of science works.
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Coming from you, Dr. Astro, this is REALLY BIG!!!!


Awaiting to to see what additional info you develop.



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Thanks Astro! Cheers!
Great Spirit, make me ready, for that last sunset, and my Spirit will come to you without shame.
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Of course a conspiracy theorist would argue that the OP has been instructed to make such a deliberate error and create initial alarm in order to calm the situation at a later time by admitting said error and prove his 'human side'.

Makes him much more believable in the future when the next 'nutcase' mentions Planet X, Pole Shift etc...

Just saying. hf
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Of course a conspiracy theorist would argue that the OP has been instructed to make such a deliberate error and create initial alarm in order to calm the situation at a later time by admitting said error and prove his 'human side'.


Just saying. hf
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win


It was written before OP wrote the obvious some post ago...

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thanks for the update Astro...this news is NOT going to make the masses happy here though...just sayin'peace
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Thnx for the doom Astro. hf
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so it was just classical attention whoring
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To be fair, That was my fault.
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This thread has proved one thing to me. These people need
to go back to school and learn how to do math.
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Re: Axial rotation measurement anomaly *Update on pg 21 - Problem Solved*
It appears that all is right with the world. I found Polaris to be 835.7 pixels from the north celestial pole:
[link to i319.photobucket.com]
Previous astrometric calibration with this telescope and camera show that it has a resolution of 2.93 arcseconds per pixel:
[link to www.flickr.com]
Given that Polaris' declination after accounting for precession is 89d 19' 09.8", it should have been 2,450.2 arcseconds from the north celestial pole. 835.7*2.93 = 2448.601 for a difference of 1.599, less than the resolution of this telescope/camera combo and meaning that the NCP was exactly where it should have been in the image (I used my widefield refractor; had I used the main telescope Polaris would have been outside of the field of view and I would have had to measure off something else, leaving a question as to whether or not Polaris itself had mysteriously warped somewhere else). Here's the raw photograph from which the measurements were made. I used PixInsight dynamic background subtraction in the above version to subtract out some of the light pollution:
[link to i319.photobucket.com]
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Thank you for the information Dr. Astro, and for checking/double-checking the info. That's the way it should be IMHO, you've earned my respect.
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Bait and switch. Hey, look over here. Don't look at that man behind the curtain. Well done Asto.
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This thread has proved one thing to me. These people need
to go back to school and learn how to do math.
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Who need to back to school then?
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Cheers Astro - Which is pretty much what I said yesterday...

Good work non the less.
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Thank you for your work tonight Astro ! it is appreciated !hfsmile_kiss
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I hate to be a hater, but my impression is that Astro wanted to see what it feels like to be the center of attention on a doom thread. How does it feel to frighten people? for page after page? Go back to naysayin and leave the doom-sayin to the experts.

rant
Abba Zabba Zoom
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Astro. Thank you for conducting your experiment like a true scientist.

What you reported last night is good news. That type of doom is something I would not have wanted, so glad it turned out the way it did.

It's sad that some people don't understand the methodology of science. My job is in quality assurance in a science field and I see these type of things happen all the time. Most people don't understand that a test is done and then it is validated at least once, sometimes more, to verify it's accuracy. How many times a test is validated depends on the differences between the test and the validation.

In this example, the test and the validation yielded results that were much different. Maybe you would consider repeating your test again, with the same equipment, as a validation of the second test to prove the validity of last nights test and measurement?
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DR.Astro

Can you expalin this?

This video shows how an unknown planet or a comet approaches the earth. RIGHT NOW


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Question is...? The Burning Question.

WHY THE FUCK SAY ANYTHING IN THE FIRST PLACE. GIVE ME A BREAK. ASTRO BEING ASTRO WOULD HAVE DOUBLE CHECKED IT IN THE FIRST PLACE BEFORE HAVING HAD OPENED HIS MOUTH OR SHOULD HAVE DOUBLE CHECKED BEFORE OPENING HIS MOUTH.

I CALL BULLSHIT. NOT BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE HIM BUT BECAUSE BY POSTING HIS MAYBE ITS OUT I'M DOUBLE CHECKING HE KNEW THIS WOULD HAPPEN. CREATING A MONSTER.

ANOTHER POSTER SAID CLASSIC ATTENTION HORRORING. WELL KIND OF LOOKS THAT WAY.

I'M DONE WITH ASTRO.AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED THE GUY IS A PEICE OF SHIT AND A GAME PLAYER OF THE WORST KIND.

I HAVE FRIENDS THAT ARE IN ASTRONOMY CLUBS. I HAVE PRINTED THIS WHOLE THREAD AND I AM TAKING IT TOO THEM FOR SCRUTANY AND A LAUGH.

THIS IS HIGHLY IRRESPONSIBLE BEHAVIOR. FUCK HIM.IF THE REST OF YOU DON'T SEE THE GAME THAT JUST GOT PLAYED HERE THEN YOUR JUST SUCKED IN STUPID. ASTRO IS A NARCISSTIC SOCIOPATH.
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It appears that all is right with the world. I found Polaris to be 835.7 pixels from the north celestial pole:
[link to i319.photobucket.com]
Previous astrometric calibration with this telescope and camera show that it has a resolution of 2.93 arcseconds per pixel:
[link to www.flickr.com]
Given that Polaris' declination after accounting for precession is 89d 19' 09.8", it should have been 2,450.2 arcseconds from the north celestial pole. 835.7*2.93 = 2448.601 for a difference of 1.599, less than the resolution of this telescope/camera combo and meaning that the NCP was exactly where it should have been in the image (I used my widefield refractor; had I used the main telescope Polaris would have been outside of the field of view and I would have had to measure off something else, leaving a question as to whether or not Polaris itself had mysteriously warped somewhere else). Here's the raw photograph from which the measurements were made. I used PixInsight dynamic background subtraction in the above version to subtract out some of the light pollution:
[link to i319.photobucket.com]
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Is that really you??
aka urkidding & NobodysFriend
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Astro. Thank you for conducting your experiment like a true scientist.

What you reported last night is good news. That type of doom is something I would not have wanted, so glad it turned out the way it did.

It's sad that some people don't understand the methodology of science. My job is in quality assurance in a science field and I see these type of things happen all the time. Most people don't understand that a test is done and then it is validated at least once, sometimes more, to verify it's accuracy. How many times a test is validated depends on the differences between the test and the validation.

In this example, the test and the validation yielded results that were much different. Maybe you would consider repeating your test again, with the same equipment, as a validation of the second test to prove the validity of last nights test and measurement?
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Are you serious???

A true scientist would have kept his mouth shut until he could confirm that his findings were accurate.
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...


He once had a good reputation for being a voice of reason.

Then he posted a misleading and alarmist thread based on a single dodgy unchecked measurment, using even more dodgy equipment.

Now his reputation is only slightly better than that of the other trolls here,



In short - you could say his reputation is currentley in the gutter..

..but he's still looking at the stars.



5a
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Then I guess you missed the point of this thread, to show that you should always look for problems in methodology, don't just trust dodgy evidence, check it, see if it holds up to scrutiny. I said from the very beginning that I believed the initial measurement was faulty and I even stated why. I tested that hypothesis tonight and found that indeed a sturdy telescope solves the problem.

I did precisely what you won't see some dodgy "researcher" on youtube do every time they see what they think is evidence of a "pole shift" or "nibiru." I questioned my own results and re-tested with proper methods.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


All of which is true, and for which i have respect for you for.

But still, does not take away form the fact that this was a misleading alarmist thread.

22 pages for what - a fucked up measurment.
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I said from the beginning to expect that. I did this as openly and transparently as humanly possible. I really don't see how you can find fault with me.
the lesson should be " if you want people to take you seroiusly don't cry wolf, and don't publish until you are sure"
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That's another good lesson as well, but in my estimation a greater lesson could be learned from teaching how to question your own results and do the proper legwork to arrive at the correct answer. I explained time and time again that I believed the problem to be the camera tripod. That's not crying wolf.
Imagine you really do see something unusual, a week from now, something you check and it seems correct.
Will anyone believe you now?
 Quoting: AC

Of course. If I check it, show what I'm doing, and explain the results then not only will it give good reason to believe me, but it will make whatever I did repeatable. That's how science works. You don't always, or even usually, get an exciting result. There are entire scientific journals dedicated to negative results. This, however, is an internet forum, not a scientific journal. I think it's more interesting and educational for everyone if they get to come along for the journey and see how it's done step by step as I do it.
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Thank you for your efforts! I've been reading your posts for over 2 years now and I know you're one of the most credible posters here. Please don't be discouraged by the haters.
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To be fair, a guy in a trailer said he saw a wolf. I said I was going to go take a picture and show it to not be a wolf. Unfortunately I end up with a picture that looks like a wolf, but in hindsight I think I know why. I explain it. Now I could have hid the wolf-like picture, doing exactly what so many accuse me of doing, but instead I decide to do the honest thing. I didn't know going into it that the tripod would prove to be unreliable. That was my fault. I shouldn't have added a new complication to my old measurement technique. But I don't regret honestly reporting the problem and openly stating what I thought the problem was.
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You have my respect and appreciation! Thanks for your hard work and dedication. You do have my respect and look forward to any findings you care to share with us.
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I HAVE FRIENDS THAT ARE IN ASTRONOMY CLUBS. I HAVE PRINTED THIS WHOLE THREAD AND I AM TAKING IT TOO THEM FOR SCRUTANY AND A LAUGH.
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You printed 24 pages? Well, I guess if you're angry enough to type in all caps maybe you would do something like that, but if I saw a guy come into my club with 24 pages he printed off the internet for me to scrutinize, I might think him a little... 'off.' Funny how you think I should have hidden my results and done the very thing I've been accused of doing with so much vitriol. Well, if I say I'm going to do something, and I do it, I'm not going to lie in order to hide the results even I think they're flawed. I'll simply tell you I think they're flawed, like I did here. It's not about "attention whoring," it's about honesty.

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I HAVE FRIENDS THAT ARE IN ASTRONOMY CLUBS. I HAVE PRINTED THIS WHOLE THREAD AND I AM TAKING IT TOO THEM FOR SCRUTANY AND A LAUGH.
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You printed 24 pages? Well, I guess if you're angry enough to type in all caps maybe you would do something like that, but if I saw a guy come into my club with 24 pages he printed off the internet for me to scrutinize, I might think him a little... 'off.' Funny how you think I should have hidden my results and done the very thing I've been accused of doing with so much vitriol. Well, if I say I'm going to do something, and I do it, I'm not going to lie in order to hide the results even I think they're flawed. I'll simply tell you I think they're flawed, like I did here. It's not about "attention whoring," it's about honesty.
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Not Angry. Just baffled. Shaking my head at the whole thing. Makes no sense at all. Even your behavior makes no sense. You appologize to the Mods for moving the thread. Start another one saying its probably flawed but do it anyways and then show up and say YUP flawed. WOW. Now your talking about well this just goes to show you about double checking and flawed equipment.

Have you been using this flawed tripod the whole time prior to this event for your other little science experiments...?

Did you go buy a new and better one for this event.

Sorry. But I just don't get the little experiment you just ran on all of us. This was opening up the Pandora's Box and a can of worms all at once.

The question still begs an answer Astro. Why did you say ANYTHING in the first place...?
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OP, you are invited here: Thread: Is The Current Ecliptic Right?

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