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Anonymous Coward User ID: 18401048 United States 12/06/2012 09:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Dr. Astro - I thought you would have know this. The declination of Polaris for the equinox J2000.0 (i.e. the beginning of the year 2000) was +89° 158242; 518243;. Precession is causing the pole to move closer to Polaris and its declination is now +89° 18', which makes it 42' (0.7°) from the north celestial pole. It will continue to get closer to the pole until the end of the century, when it will be 0.5° away. Your location on the Earth only affects the altitude of the pole and Polaris above the horizon and not the separation of Polaris from the pole. The pole would appear 32° above the horizon from your latitude (i.e. it is the same value as your latitude). So you can complete your tests, but this is normal. Quoting: Dr. PhD 23168991 /THREAD Move along, nothing to see here. I already accounted for precession. My measurement came out to be 35 arcminutes, not 42 as you point out it should be. I've done this many times before with the telescope and it always matched up with the predicted value after accounting for precession. take a nap dude you have a long night ahead of you |
Dr. Astro (OP) Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 27749847 United States 12/06/2012 09:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Dr. Astro - I thought you would have know this. The declination of Polaris for the equinox J2000.0 (i.e. the beginning of the year 2000) was +89° 158242; 518243;. Precession is causing the pole to move closer to Polaris and its declination is now +89° 18', which makes it 42' (0.7°) from the north celestial pole. It will continue to get closer to the pole until the end of the century, when it will be 0.5° away. Your location on the Earth only affects the altitude of the pole and Polaris above the horizon and not the separation of Polaris from the pole. The pole would appear 32° above the horizon from your latitude (i.e. it is the same value as your latitude). So you can complete your tests, but this is normal. Quoting: Dr. PhD 23168991 /THREAD Move along, nothing to see here. I already accounted for precession. My measurement came out to be 35 arcminutes, not 42 as you point out it should be. I've done this many times before with the telescope and it always matched up with the predicted value after accounting for precession. So closer to 7, or between 6 and 7 off then.... Actually I believe the declination should be 89d 19' due to precession, not 89d 18', but either way I'm still looking at a measurement last night that just isn't right. All previous measurements were accurate to arcsecond resolution, but were made telescopically. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 29130142 Finland 12/06/2012 09:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You know, if your calculations prove correct, you might write up an article and submit it for peer review to a scientific journal. Quoting: Nexus-9 Yeah, so maybe in a year or so from now we may have "an official" confirmation to this, right? =D Just see what happened with 9/11: After thorough examinations, Niels Harrit et al published a peer reviewed article of remains of explosives found in the dust of the WTC towers. The result: everyone involved in publishing the study got mocked, the chief editor of the magazine had to resign, and the "official truth" about the thing still hasn't changed after many years. The so called "scientific consensus" is a travesty in itself. Science should always be open to new ideas and observations, including ones that may appear wacky to begin with. But alas, "science" has by and large taken the place of religion and become a force of repression rather than emancipation. Fortunately, that's not the whole picture. But still, waiting for mainstream "science" and/or media to take seriously anything considered to be "impossible", you may have to wait forever. |
CalmShock User ID: 5056346 Canada 12/06/2012 09:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hey Astro, You said that Orion was where it was supposed to be yet Polaris may not be... If the earths axial rotation was off, wouldn't all the constellations have measurement anomalies as well? Obviously I'm no astronomer and there very well may be a good explanation for this, so looking forward to seeing what you come up with tonight. Hopefully you get good weather this evening. If I went and got a telescope, how hard would it be for a beginner to take these measurements themselves? Patience is a virtue I just can't wait to achieve - CalmShock |
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Dr. Astro (OP) Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 27749847 United States 12/06/2012 09:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hey Astro, Quoting: CalmShock You said that Orion was where it was supposed to be yet Polaris may not be... If the earths axial rotation was off, wouldn't all the constellations have measurement anomalies as well? Obviously I'm no astronomer and there very well may be a good explanation for this, so looking forward to seeing what you come up with tonight. Hopefully you get good weather this evening. If I went and got a telescope, how hard would it be for a beginner to take these measurements themselves? Sorry for the confusion; Orion was where it should be relative to the surrounding stars. If my initial measurement of this anomaly is correct then Orion would be off from the axis of rotation by 6 arcminutes as well. |
BRIEF User ID: 381742 United States 12/06/2012 09:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hey Astro, Quoting: CalmShock You said that Orion was where it was supposed to be yet Polaris may not be... If the earths axial rotation was off, wouldn't all the constellations have measurement anomalies as well? Obviously I'm no astronomer and there very well may be a good explanation for this, so looking forward to seeing what you come up with tonight. Hopefully you get good weather this evening. If I went and got a telescope, how hard would it be for a beginner to take these measurements themselves? There's a damn good explanation for it, Planet X, just wait until he finds it :) I never forgive and I never forget I am a licensed firearm holder. I will, under protection of law, use lethal force if attacked. |
DUCM900 User ID: 29195128 Italy 12/06/2012 09:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hey Astro, Quoting: CalmShock You said that Orion was where it was supposed to be yet Polaris may not be... If the earths axial rotation was off, wouldn't all the constellations have measurement anomalies as well? Let me predict his answer: Its because Field Rotation, Period. (not). FAIL - Last Edited by IWASTHERE on 12/06/2012 09:38 AM |
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Nexus-9 User ID: 1368022 United States 12/06/2012 09:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hey Astro, Quoting: CalmShock You said that Orion was where it was supposed to be yet Polaris may not be... If the earths axial rotation was off, wouldn't all the constellations have measurement anomalies as well? Obviously I'm no astronomer and there very well may be a good explanation for this, so looking forward to seeing what you come up with tonight. Hopefully you get good weather this evening. If I went and got a telescope, how hard would it be for a beginner to take these measurements themselves? There's a damn good explanation for it, Planet X, just wait until he finds it :) Oh no. Do not mention that. Let's stick to science, please. "Fiery the Angels rose, & as they rose deep thunder roll'd Around their shores: indignant burning with the fires of Orc" - William Blake, America a Prophecy (...also misquoted in Blade Runner by Roy Batty) "Tempus est optimus iudex" - "Time is the best judge" "The very word "'secrecy'" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings." - John F. Kennedy, New York City, April 27, 1961 |
Perseus -]+[- User ID: 691183 Greece 12/06/2012 09:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well in the next generation history books (which will be carved in stone) it will be known as "Astromut's anomaly" that started it all... Quoting: brzeczyszczykiewicz IF Astro is right there wont be next generation to remember it the only survivors (high mountains) will have more serious things to think than to remember some Astro from some Usa(if still exists)and If we suppose the survivor was a glper :) better pray (if you believe in god) or hope (if you are not) that Astro was not in a good day and has make a little calculation wrong, and if we consider that this have happent in very short time (just noticed), then... The Hell Of a Ride have begin. |
Starlighttraveller User ID: 18984827 United States 12/06/2012 09:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thank you Astromut. I haven't a clue as to what the meaning of your observation is, but I appreciate your thoroughness and honesty. to check on the update Be filled with joy in the knowing that you are the light and love of the one Infinite Creator. |
BRIEF User ID: 381742 United States 12/06/2012 09:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hey Astro, Quoting: CalmShock You said that Orion was where it was supposed to be yet Polaris may not be... If the earths axial rotation was off, wouldn't all the constellations have measurement anomalies as well? Obviously I'm no astronomer and there very well may be a good explanation for this, so looking forward to seeing what you come up with tonight. Hopefully you get good weather this evening. If I went and got a telescope, how hard would it be for a beginner to take these measurements themselves? There's a damn good explanation for it, Planet X, just wait until he finds it :) Oh no. Do not mention that. Let's stick to science, please. Just wait and see ;) I never forgive and I never forget I am a licensed firearm holder. I will, under protection of law, use lethal force if attacked. |
duncog2012 User ID: 24294934 United States 12/06/2012 09:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hey Astro, Quoting: CalmShock You said that Orion was where it was supposed to be yet Polaris may not be... If the earths axial rotation was off, wouldn't all the constellations have measurement anomalies as well? Obviously I'm no astronomer and there very well may be a good explanation for this, so looking forward to seeing what you come up with tonight. Hopefully you get good weather this evening. If I went and got a telescope, how hard would it be for a beginner to take these measurements themselves? I believe that the pole star is not always constant. In other words, it changes and perhaps we are getting a new one. But we may have to re-incarnate to see it. I won't be seeing it from earth because i don't plan on re-incarnating here ever again if possible. We have not seen anything yet. Last Edited by duncog2012 on 12/06/2012 09:41 AM duncog2012 |
DUCM900 User ID: 29195128 Italy 12/06/2012 09:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | +[- 691183:MV8yMDcyNDkxXzM0ODgzNTUzX0Y5MDM0QTE2] Quoting: Perseus -IF Astro is right there wont be next generation to remember it Not at all, hes never right. Last Edited by IWASTHERE on 12/06/2012 09:42 AM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 29187961 United States 12/06/2012 09:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hey Astro, Quoting: CalmShock You said that Orion was where it was supposed to be yet Polaris may not be... If the earths axial rotation was off, wouldn't all the constellations have measurement anomalies as well? Obviously I'm no astronomer and there very well may be a good explanation for this, so looking forward to seeing what you come up with tonight. Hopefully you get good weather this evening. If I went and got a telescope, how hard would it be for a beginner to take these measurements themselves? Sorry for the confusion; Orion was where it should be relative to the surrounding stars. If my initial measurement of this anomaly is correct then Orion would be off from the axis of rotation by 6 arcminutes as well. Have you watched that goofball's video in the Orion thread? Just eyeballing it, does where he says it moved too relative to the anomaly you have found thus far? Of course Orion did not move, if anything, all constellations would be off because we moved. |
Nexus-9 User ID: 1368022 United States 12/06/2012 09:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | +[- 691183:MV8yMDcyNDkxXzM0ODgzNTUzX0Y5MDM0QTE2] Quoting: Perseus -IF Astro is right there wont be next generation to remember it Not at all. Well, then can someone tell me what's the big deal IF the earth's rotation is off by 6 arcminutes? "Fiery the Angels rose, & as they rose deep thunder roll'd Around their shores: indignant burning with the fires of Orc" - William Blake, America a Prophecy (...also misquoted in Blade Runner by Roy Batty) "Tempus est optimus iudex" - "Time is the best judge" "The very word "'secrecy'" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings." - John F. Kennedy, New York City, April 27, 1961 |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 203360 United States 12/06/2012 09:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What are the real implications of a 6 arcminute move in a short time? If measurements in a week shown "9" arcminutes, etc. then we can begin to get a handle on how fast this is happening and whether it is accelerating as it goes... Soon the mainstream would have to pick it up because the outside visuals would be undeniable at some point. ??? |
Nexus-9 User ID: 1368022 United States 12/06/2012 09:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What are the real implications of a 6 arcminute move in a short time? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 203360 If measurements in a week shown "9" arcminutes, etc. then we can begin to get a handle on how fast this is happening and whether it is accelerating as it goes... Soon the mainstream would have to pick it up because the outside visuals would be undeniable at some point. ??? hahaha, not if they start spraying even more chemtrails...nothing to see here folks (wink) Last Edited by Nexus-9 on 12/06/2012 09:45 AM "Fiery the Angels rose, & as they rose deep thunder roll'd Around their shores: indignant burning with the fires of Orc" - William Blake, America a Prophecy (...also misquoted in Blade Runner by Roy Batty) "Tempus est optimus iudex" - "Time is the best judge" "The very word "'secrecy'" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings." - John F. Kennedy, New York City, April 27, 1961 |
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Lady Jane Smith Forum Administrator User ID: 21587668 United States 12/06/2012 09:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Coming from you, Dr. Astro, this is REALLY BIG!!!! Quoting: Lady Jane Smith Awaiting to to see what additional info you develop. :Hiding Kitty: Heya, Jane. Hi Rev!!! This could be getting real. Fate whispers to the warrior "You cannot withstand the storm" the warrior whispers back "I am the storm" INTJ-A |