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Axial rotation measurement anomaly *Update on pg 21 - Problem Solved*

 
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Dr. Astro - I thought you would have know this. The declination of Polaris for the equinox J2000.0 (i.e. the beginning of the year 2000) was +89° 158242; 518243;. Precession is causing the pole to move closer to Polaris and its declination is now +89° 18', which makes it 42' (0.7°) from the north celestial pole. It will continue to get closer to the pole until the end of the century, when it will be 0.5° away. Your location on the Earth only affects the altitude of the pole and Polaris above the horizon and not the separation of Polaris from the pole. The pole would appear 32° above the horizon from your latitude (i.e. it is the same value as your latitude). So you can complete your tests, but this is normal.
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Move along, nothing to see here.
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I already accounted for precession. My measurement came out to be 35 arcminutes, not 42 as you point out it should be. I've done this many times before with the telescope and it always matched up with the predicted value after accounting for precession.
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take a nap dude

you have a long night ahead of you
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Dr. Astro - I thought you would have know this. The declination of Polaris for the equinox J2000.0 (i.e. the beginning of the year 2000) was +89° 158242; 518243;. Precession is causing the pole to move closer to Polaris and its declination is now +89° 18', which makes it 42' (0.7°) from the north celestial pole. It will continue to get closer to the pole until the end of the century, when it will be 0.5° away. Your location on the Earth only affects the altitude of the pole and Polaris above the horizon and not the separation of Polaris from the pole. The pole would appear 32° above the horizon from your latitude (i.e. it is the same value as your latitude). So you can complete your tests, but this is normal.
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Move along, nothing to see here.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23338584


I already accounted for precession. My measurement came out to be 35 arcminutes, not 42 as you point out it should be. I've done this many times before with the telescope and it always matched up with the predicted value after accounting for precession.
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So closer to 7, or between 6 and 7 off then....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 203360


Actually I believe the declination should be 89d 19' due to precession, not 89d 18', but either way I'm still looking at a measurement last night that just isn't right. All previous measurements were accurate to arcsecond resolution, but were made telescopically.
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You know, if your calculations prove correct, you might write up an article and submit it for peer review to a scientific journal.
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Yeah, so maybe in a year or so from now we may have "an official" confirmation to this, right? =D

Just see what happened with 9/11: After thorough examinations, Niels Harrit et al published a peer reviewed article of remains of explosives found in the dust of the WTC towers. The result: everyone involved in publishing the study got mocked, the chief editor of the magazine had to resign, and the "official truth" about the thing still hasn't changed after many years.

The so called "scientific consensus" is a travesty in itself. Science should always be open to new ideas and observations, including ones that may appear wacky to begin with. But alas, "science" has by and large taken the place of religion and become a force of repression rather than emancipation.

Fortunately, that's not the whole picture. But still, waiting for mainstream "science" and/or media to take seriously anything considered to be "impossible", you may have to wait forever.
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Hey Astro,

You said that Orion was where it was supposed to be yet Polaris may not be... If the earths axial rotation was off, wouldn't all the constellations have measurement anomalies as well?

Obviously I'm no astronomer and there very well may be a good explanation for this, so looking forward to seeing what you come up with tonight.
Hopefully you get good weather this evening.

If I went and got a telescope, how hard would it be for a beginner to take these measurements themselves?
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Astro, you should just stop posting until Dec 22 :p Can you imagine how much crazier this place would be if people DID think you were assassinated for finding this out?
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Hey Astro,

You said that Orion was where it was supposed to be yet Polaris may not be... If the earths axial rotation was off, wouldn't all the constellations have measurement anomalies as well?

Obviously I'm no astronomer and there very well may be a good explanation for this, so looking forward to seeing what you come up with tonight.
Hopefully you get good weather this evening.

If I went and got a telescope, how hard would it be for a beginner to take these measurements themselves?
 Quoting: CalmShock


Sorry for the confusion; Orion was where it should be relative to the surrounding stars. If my initial measurement of this anomaly is correct then Orion would be off from the axis of rotation by 6 arcminutes as well.
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Hey Astro,

You said that Orion was where it was supposed to be yet Polaris may not be... If the earths axial rotation was off, wouldn't all the constellations have measurement anomalies as well?

Obviously I'm no astronomer and there very well may be a good explanation for this, so looking forward to seeing what you come up with tonight.
Hopefully you get good weather this evening.

If I went and got a telescope, how hard would it be for a beginner to take these measurements themselves?
 Quoting: CalmShock


There's a damn good explanation for it, Planet X, just wait until he finds it :)
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Hey Astro,

You said that Orion was where it was supposed to be yet Polaris may not be... If the earths axial rotation was off, wouldn't all the constellations have measurement anomalies as well?

 Quoting: CalmShock


Let me predict his answer: Its because Field Rotation, Period.

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If you call that anomaly i don't know what you'll call what's coming up.
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The movie Brave was the most obvious concerning Polaris. If one sees only the "real" described by left-hemisphere linguistics and visible light worship, it can't and won't be seen even when it's right in front of you.
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Astro, you should just stop posting until Dec 22 :p Can you imagine how much crazier this place would be if people DID think you were assassinated for finding this out?
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chuckle
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Astro, you should just stop posting until Dec 22 :p Can you imagine how much crazier this place would be if people DID think you were assassinated for finding this out?
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chuckle
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Coming from Astromut, it's very serious shit...


I really hope he is RIGHT, and something is REALLY wrong, so I can get some good PANIC SEX!
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!!!!! yea me too!!!!!
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Hey Astro,

You said that Orion was where it was supposed to be yet Polaris may not be... If the earths axial rotation was off, wouldn't all the constellations have measurement anomalies as well?

Obviously I'm no astronomer and there very well may be a good explanation for this, so looking forward to seeing what you come up with tonight.
Hopefully you get good weather this evening.

If I went and got a telescope, how hard would it be for a beginner to take these measurements themselves?
 Quoting: CalmShock


There's a damn good explanation for it, Planet X, just wait until he finds it :)
 Quoting: BRIEF


Oh no. Do not mention that. Let's stick to science, please.
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Around their shores: indignant burning with the fires of Orc" - William Blake, America a Prophecy
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Well in the next generation history books (which will be carved in stone) it will be known as "Astromut's anomaly" that started it all...
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IF Astro is right there wont be next generation to remember it

the only survivors (high mountains) will have more serious
things to think than to remember some Astro from some Usa(if still exists)and If we suppose the survivor was a glper :)

better pray (if you believe in god) or hope (if you are not)
that Astro was not in a good day and has make a little
calculation wrong, and if we consider that this have happent in very short time (just noticed), then...

The Hell Of a Ride have begin.
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Thank you Astromut. I haven't a clue as to what the meaning of your observation is, but I appreciate your thoroughness and honesty.
bump
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Re: Axial rotation measurement anomaly *Update on pg 21 - Problem Solved*
Hey Astro,

You said that Orion was where it was supposed to be yet Polaris may not be... If the earths axial rotation was off, wouldn't all the constellations have measurement anomalies as well?

Obviously I'm no astronomer and there very well may be a good explanation for this, so looking forward to seeing what you come up with tonight.
Hopefully you get good weather this evening.

If I went and got a telescope, how hard would it be for a beginner to take these measurements themselves?
 Quoting: CalmShock


There's a damn good explanation for it, Planet X, just wait until he finds it :)
 Quoting: BRIEF


Oh no. Do not mention that. Let's stick to science, please.
 Quoting: Nexus-9


Just wait and see ;)
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Hey Astro,

You said that Orion was where it was supposed to be yet Polaris may not be... If the earths axial rotation was off, wouldn't all the constellations have measurement anomalies as well?

Obviously I'm no astronomer and there very well may be a good explanation for this, so looking forward to seeing what you come up with tonight.
Hopefully you get good weather this evening.

If I went and got a telescope, how hard would it be for a beginner to take these measurements themselves?
 Quoting: CalmShock


I believe that the pole star is not always constant. In other words, it changes and perhaps we are getting a new one. But we may have to re-incarnate to see it.

I won't be seeing it from earth because i don't plan on re-incarnating here ever again if possible. We have not seen anything yet.

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IF Astro is right there wont be next generation to remember it

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Not at all, hes never right.

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Hey Astro,

You said that Orion was where it was supposed to be yet Polaris may not be... If the earths axial rotation was off, wouldn't all the constellations have measurement anomalies as well?

Obviously I'm no astronomer and there very well may be a good explanation for this, so looking forward to seeing what you come up with tonight.
Hopefully you get good weather this evening.

If I went and got a telescope, how hard would it be for a beginner to take these measurements themselves?
 Quoting: CalmShock


Sorry for the confusion; Orion was where it should be relative to the surrounding stars. If my initial measurement of this anomaly is correct then Orion would be off from the axis of rotation by 6 arcminutes as well.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Have you watched that goofball's video in the Orion thread? Just eyeballing it, does where he says it moved too relative to the anomaly you have found thus far?

Of course Orion did not move, if anything, all constellations would be off because we moved.
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IF Astro is right there wont be next generation to remember it

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Not at all.
 Quoting: DUCM900


Well, then can someone tell me what's the big deal IF the earth's rotation is off by 6 arcminutes?
"Fiery the Angels rose, & as they rose deep thunder roll'd
Around their shores: indignant burning with the fires of Orc" - William Blake, America a Prophecy
(...also misquoted in Blade Runner by Roy Batty)

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Thank you Astromut. I haven't a clue as to what the meaning of your observation is, but I appreciate your thoroughness and honesty.
bump
to check on the update
hf
 Quoting: Starlighttraveller


Me either what does this actually mean if there really is an anomaly?
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Thank you Astromut. I haven't a clue as to what the meaning of your observation is, but I appreciate your thoroughness and honesty.
bump
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hf
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Me either what does this actually mean if there really is an anomaly?
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What are the real implications of a 6 arcminute move in a short time?

If measurements in a week shown "9" arcminutes, etc. then we can begin to get a handle on how fast this is happening and whether it is accelerating as it goes...


Soon the mainstream would have to pick it up because the outside visuals would be undeniable at some point.

???
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What are the real implications of a 6 arcminute move in a short time?

If measurements in a week shown "9" arcminutes, etc. then we can begin to get a handle on how fast this is happening and whether it is accelerating as it goes...


Soon the mainstream would have to pick it up because the outside visuals would be undeniable at some point.

???
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 203360


hahaha, not if they start spraying even more chemtrails...nothing to see here folks (wink)

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"Fiery the Angels rose, & as they rose deep thunder roll'd
Around their shores: indignant burning with the fires of Orc" - William Blake, America a Prophecy
(...also misquoted in Blade Runner by Roy Batty)

"Tempus est optimus iudex" - "Time is the best judge"

"The very word "'secrecy'" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings." - John F. Kennedy, New York City, April 27, 1961
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Well, then can someone tell me what's the big deal IF the earth's rotation is off by 6 arcminutes?
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Nothing so big. Anyway that its not the point.
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Coming from you, Dr. Astro, this is REALLY BIG!!!!


Awaiting to to see what additional info you develop.



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Heya, Jane.
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Hi Rev!!!

This could be getting real.
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