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Axial rotation measurement anomaly *Update on pg 21 - Problem Solved*

 
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The only anomaly here is the fact that Astro is gettin respect... I cant recall a thread where he doesnt get flamed/trolled and spammed with the word shill etc.... Untill December 2012... lol doom must be on :P
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^^THIS
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The only anomaly here is the fact that Astro is gettin respect... I cant recall a thread where he doesnt get flamed/trolled and spammed with the word shill etc.... Untill December 2012... lol doom must be on :P
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^^THIS
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Unless you're posting negative doom...you don't get respect.. ;)

I'm sure once an explanation for this is found, and it's not doom...he'll be bashed all over again...
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The only anomaly here is the fact that Astro is gettin respect... I cant recall a thread where he doesnt get flamed/trolled and spammed with the word shill etc.... Untill December 2012... lol doom must be on :P
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^^THIS
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24127047


Unless you're posting negative doom...you don't get respect.. ;)

I'm sure once an explanation for this is found, and it's not doom...he'll be bashed all over again...
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What's positive doom?
"Fiery the Angels rose, & as they rose deep thunder roll'd
Around their shores: indignant burning with the fires of Orc" - William Blake, America a Prophecy
(...also misquoted in Blade Runner by Roy Batty)

"Tempus est optimus iudex" - "Time is the best judge"

"The very word "'secrecy'" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings." - John F. Kennedy, New York City, April 27, 1961
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OK, so what Dr. Astro is saying is that:

1) the stars are right again,
2) Cthulhu is no longer dead and dreaming but is rising
3) I can begin to re-crap my pants

panic
Tell me what this tastes like...
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You mention the hypothetical , tongue-in-cheek assassination of other astronomers discovering something "they" don't want discovered and announced. Is this something that is always or normally being monitored by others, most specifically amateurs (not professionally paid NASA employees)? I'm just wondering if it's a measurement that is just typically taken for granted and not really checked on outside of circles like ours where celestial objects are regularly accused of not being where they should. Would others have noticed this or be looking for it?
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Hey Astro,

You said that Orion was where it was supposed to be yet Polaris may not be... If the earths axial rotation was off, wouldn't all the constellations have measurement anomalies as well?

Obviously I'm no astronomer and there very well may be a good explanation for this, so looking forward to seeing what you come up with tonight.
Hopefully you get good weather this evening.

If I went and got a telescope, how hard would it be for a beginner to take these measurements themselves?
 Quoting: CalmShock


Sorry for the confusion; Orion was where it should be relative to the surrounding stars. If my initial measurement of this anomaly is correct then Orion would be off from the axis of rotation by 6 arcminutes as well.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Have you watched that goofball's video in the Orion thread? Just eyeballing it, does where he says it moved too relative to the anomaly you have found thus far?

Of course Orion did not move, if anything, all constellations would be off because we moved.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29187961


I saw his video, he described a motion considerably larger than 6 arcminutes. And yeah, it's not like the constellation Orion grew legs and started walking around the sky.
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What's positive doom?
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Example headline:
"Airforce One Goes Down in Flames! Nation Watches!"

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I'm telling you, the wobble in the rotation of our axis is getting more pronounced...

Like a spinning top coming to a stop...

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The only anomaly here is the fact that Astro is gettin respect... I cant recall a thread where he doesnt get flamed/trolled and spammed with the word shill etc.... Untill December 2012... lol doom must be on :P
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29181390


^^THIS
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24127047


Unless you're posting negative doom...you don't get respect.. ;)

I'm sure once an explanation for this is found, and it's not doom...he'll be bashed all over again...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27302733


What's positive doom?
 Quoting: Nexus-9


double-negative.
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Maybe people are tired of the public stroking Astro gets every time he posts something? You all don't have a clue who "Dr" Astro is, or many of the other "people" found here on GLP....fact is you're all in for a rude awakening
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Maybe people are tired of the public stroking Astro gets every time he posts something? You all don't have a clue who "Dr" Astro is, or many of the other "people" found here on GLP....fact is you're all in for a rude awakening
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You do? Not saying that sarcastically. Genuinely asking. Because you are right, I don't know who Astro is IRL.
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I'm telling you, the wobble in the rotation of our axis is getting more pronounced...

Like a spinning top coming to a stop...
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maybe, but ...when?
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Maybe people are tired of the public stroking Astro gets every time he posts something? You all don't have a clue who "Dr" Astro is, or many of the other "people" found here on GLP....fact is you're all in for a rude awakening
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Thank you, Morgan Freeman.
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Hey Astro,

You said that Orion was where it was supposed to be yet Polaris may not be... If the earths axial rotation was off, wouldn't all the constellations have measurement anomalies as well?

Obviously I'm no astronomer and there very well may be a good explanation for this, so looking forward to seeing what you come up with tonight.
Hopefully you get good weather this evening.

If I went and got a telescope, how hard would it be for a beginner to take these measurements themselves?
 Quoting: CalmShock


Sorry for the confusion; Orion was where it should be relative to the surrounding stars. If my initial measurement of this anomaly is correct then Orion would be off from the axis of rotation by 6 arcminutes as well.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro

I understand the pressure of the situation in a researcher
who has just discover something and is in a rush to confirm
and dont wanting to be a smart a$$ (pls correct me if im wrong), but...

In an earth axis movement Orion ***Relative to the other stars*** is *Not* moving, its *The Whole Sky who is moving*
Orion including *BUT* in *Relation with the Earth Soil and the observer* Not with the surrounding stars

The only way to see it is from the position of Orion in a
different place in the sky in relation of where it should be
this time and day of the year (this including the whole sky)

Compare it with the other stars nothing have change and nothing will be noticed.

So the only way to notice is by memory (very difficult because of the very small change) or by using an *old* astro
program (secure info from old not changed data).
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Maybe people are tired of the public stroking Astro gets every time he posts something? You all don't have a clue who "Dr" Astro is, or many of the other "people" found here on GLP....fact is you're all in for a rude awakening
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26202851


I know when I stop in at the planetarium I'm looking for his t-shirt at the gift shop.

They never seem to have it.
"Fiery the Angels rose, & as they rose deep thunder roll'd
Around their shores: indignant burning with the fires of Orc" - William Blake, America a Prophecy
(...also misquoted in Blade Runner by Roy Batty)

"Tempus est optimus iudex" - "Time is the best judge"

"The very word "'secrecy'" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings." - John F. Kennedy, New York City, April 27, 1961
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[link to www.youtube.com]

I'm sure none of these deep space astronomers knew anything....
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I'm telling you, the wobble in the rotation of our axis is getting more pronounced...

Like a spinning top coming to a stop...
 Quoting: Saddletramp



Would be a good idea to measure on multiple concurrent days to get an idea just how wobbly. Conceivably one might go back tonight things look normal, but then in a few days be a little off again.
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You mention the hypothetical , tongue-in-cheek assassination of other astronomers discovering something "they" don't want discovered and announced. Is this something that is always or normally being monitored by others, most specifically amateurs (not professionally paid NASA employees)? I'm just wondering if it's a measurement that is just typically taken for granted and not really checked on outside of circles like ours where celestial objects are regularly accused of not being where they should. Would others have noticed this or be looking for it?
 Quoting: Gratia Plena


They would notice it, even if they weren't deliberately looking for it. For instance, some amateurs polar aligned their telescopes using an iterative method that requires Polaris to be at the expected offset from the north celestial pole. Other amateurs also have permanently polar aligned telescopes. These guys would start to notice that their polar alignments are no longer as accurate as they should be, resulting in a drift in declination during long exposure astrophotography.
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[link to www.youtube.com]

I'm sure none of these deep space astronomers knew anything....
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Most of them were reaching or past elderly age....
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Astro,

Could whatever you are refering to that may or may not be happening cause the following: ???

Thread: Earth Booms and ground shaking reported by news in 7 states country wide within 24 hours (Dec 5th)
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You mention the hypothetical , tongue-in-cheek assassination of other astronomers discovering something "they" don't want discovered and announced. Is this something that is always or normally being monitored by others, most specifically amateurs (not professionally paid NASA employees)? I'm just wondering if it's a measurement that is just typically taken for granted and not really checked on outside of circles like ours where celestial objects are regularly accused of not being where they should. Would others have noticed this or be looking for it?
 Quoting: Gratia Plena


They would notice it, even if they weren't deliberately looking for it. For instance, some amateurs polar aligned their telescopes using an iterative method that requires Polaris to be at the expected offset from the north celestial pole. Other amateurs also have permanently polar aligned telescopes. These guys would start to notice that their polar alignments are no longer as accurate as they should be, resulting in a drift in declination during long exposure astrophotography.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Has anyone else then posted similar info recently? There should be other reliable sources also. This shouldn't go unnoticed very long.
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The pyrimids of giza are in line to Orion

can some one fly out to egypt and stand on one of the pyrimids and see if \orion is out of line megaliths?
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You mention the hypothetical , tongue-in-cheek assassination of other astronomers discovering something "they" don't want discovered and announced. Is this something that is always or normally being monitored by others, most specifically amateurs (not professionally paid NASA employees)? I'm just wondering if it's a measurement that is just typically taken for granted and not really checked on outside of circles like ours where celestial objects are regularly accused of not being where they should. Would others have noticed this or be looking for it?
 Quoting: Gratia Plena


They would notice it, even if they weren't deliberately looking for it. For instance, some amateurs polar aligned their telescopes using an iterative method that requires Polaris to be at the expected offset from the north celestial pole. Other amateurs also have permanently polar aligned telescopes. These guys would start to notice that their polar alignments are no longer as accurate as they should be, resulting in a drift in declination during long exposure astrophotography.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro



Astro,

How long before you are able to confirm your findings.

Also, can you explain what may happen in laymans terms?
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Hey Astro,

You said that Orion was where it was supposed to be yet Polaris may not be... If the earths axial rotation was off, wouldn't all the constellations have measurement anomalies as well?

Obviously I'm no astronomer and there very well may be a good explanation for this, so looking forward to seeing what you come up with tonight.
Hopefully you get good weather this evening.

If I went and got a telescope, how hard would it be for a beginner to take these measurements themselves?
 Quoting: CalmShock


There's a damn good explanation for it, Planet X, just wait until he finds it :)
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I would pay good money to see the expression on his face if/when that happened.
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You mention the hypothetical , tongue-in-cheek assassination of other astronomers discovering something "they" don't want discovered and announced. Is this something that is always or normally being monitored by others, most specifically amateurs (not professionally paid NASA employees)? I'm just wondering if it's a measurement that is just typically taken for granted and not really checked on outside of circles like ours where celestial objects are regularly accused of not being where they should. Would others have noticed this or be looking for it?
 Quoting: Gratia Plena


They would notice it, even if they weren't deliberately looking for it. For instance, some amateurs polar aligned their telescopes using an iterative method that requires Polaris to be at the expected offset from the north celestial pole. Other amateurs also have permanently polar aligned telescopes. These guys would start to notice that their polar alignments are no longer as accurate as they should be, resulting in a drift in declination during long exposure astrophotography.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro



Astro,

How long before you are able to confirm your findings.

Also, can you explain what may happen in laymans terms?
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I will try to check again tonight if the clouds part ways.
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Hey Astro,

You said that Orion was where it was supposed to be yet Polaris may not be... If the earths axial rotation was off, wouldn't all the constellations have measurement anomalies as well?

Obviously I'm no astronomer and there very well may be a good explanation for this, so looking forward to seeing what you come up with tonight.
Hopefully you get good weather this evening.

If I went and got a telescope, how hard would it be for a beginner to take these measurements themselves?
 Quoting: CalmShock


There's a damn good explanation for it, Planet X, just wait until he finds it :)
 Quoting: BRIEF


I would pay good money to see the expression on his face if/when that happened.
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If that was the case, other people's facial expressions would be the last thing on my mind.
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I checked and this amounts to 0.1 of a degree. Which seems insignficant, but on the other hand, perhaps something is causing it, but it seems minor.
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Will someone please turn off the lights so Astro can remeasure.

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