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# Axial rotation measurement anomaly *Update on pg 21 - Problem Solved*

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12/06/2012 10:46 AM
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January? By now somebody should had realized something was really going on.

It must be some error Astro... I can't find any other logical explanation.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29142558

I wrote 1% but its a very optimistic.

However those 0.01% what can do? maybe going to Larry King show? cmon...
Quoting: DUCM900

Maybe discussing the issue all over the net?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29142558

And in astronomy clubs, and at star parties, and in astronomy neighborhoods, etc, etc.
Quoting: Dr. Astro

To be fair, I never once found a star party or astronomy club field day (night) viewing parties. I'm sure they are out there but just saying...today, they are more rare then not.

I can see it slipping by a few days/weeks if something big changed like this.

Of course, I also wonder if this is a mini psy-op by Astro to prove a point somewhere along the line.

Either way, this thread is very interesting. I would love to hear your suggestions for a casual viewer to test themselves with commonly available, inexpensive tools/equipment.

Like using landmarks to referrence position in the night sky and measure from there.

Even taping a straw to a protractor and measure angle by line of sight.
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12/06/2012 10:47 AM
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January? By now somebody should had realized something was really going on.

It must be some error Astro... I can't find any other logical explanation.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29142558

I wrote 1% but its a very optimistic.

However those 0.01% what can do? maybe going to Larry King show? cmon...
Quoting: DUCM900

Maybe discussing the issue all over the net?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29142558

And in astronomy clubs, and at star parties, and in astronomy neighborhoods, etc, etc.
Quoting: Dr. Astro

And then?

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12/06/2012 10:48 AM
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I'm sure tomorrow there will be a very thorough and articulate explanation to why his equipment was off...it doesn't take anything but your eyes to see that the sun, moon, and stars have shifted in relationship to the horizon and topographical landmarks.

Dr Astros job is to keep everyone pacified to the reality of our piles shifting a long as he can
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You've got piles?
And they're shifting?
You poor schmuck.
I'd see a proctologist if I were you.

R.
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12/06/2012 10:49 AM
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dont you love how this prick beats up everyone who says the earth, etc. is off kilter and now he does it.

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I have been reading glp for years and I can tell you that astroNUT is the "muts nuts lol" (as we say here in the uk 'means he is very good' lol) I have always said when he confirms something is up then I will take it seriously.

He has proved the doom fairy tales wrong on numerous occasions and has been correct EVERY SINGLE TIME without exception .

Sorry to all you haters but its the simple truth.
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When was the last time you checked the measurement and it was correct?

If Polaris actually IS 6 arcminutes off, then you could roughly guesstimate how the time it took.
Quoting: CalmShock

Last time I checked was January, but something like this would not be able to remain hidden for long before amateurs would either find it and mention it, or entire astronomy neighborhoods get wiped out. Last I checked the guys at Arizona sky village and chiefland astronomy village didn't all suddenly drop dead.
Quoting: Dr. Astro

JANUARY!! You mean for the last eleven months youve been saying that everything is as it should be, and now you're telling us that the spring
sun arriving early could indeed be possible? Fuck me gently!!
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28959013

I've done lots of deep space astrophotography between then and now, using an iterative polar alignment. Had it been off then I would have noticed and then remeasured it again.

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12/06/2012 10:50 AM
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Quoting: Dr. PhD 23168991

right

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Quoting: Dr. PhD 23168991

Quite possible.

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12/06/2012 10:51 AM
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North Star's Distance To Earth Shorter Than Previously Thought, Polaris Study Shows

Scientists studying the North Star Polaris found that it is about 323 light-years from the sun and Earth, substantially closer than a previous estimate of 434 light-years by a European satellite in the late 1990s. The new distance measurement may help astronomers in the pursuit of several cosmic mysteries, such as the hunt for elusive dark energy, researchers said.

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Quoting: Dr. PhD 23168991

Quite possible.
Quoting: Dr. Astro

Let's hope.

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12/06/2012 10:53 AM
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Mods, ...

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I'm consistently coming back to a distance of about 35 arcminutes for Polaris from the north celestial pole. That ain't right. It should be just shy of 41 arcminutes.
Quoting: Dr. Astro

Quoting: Dr. Astro

Well, it's quite clear to me that you've travelled forward in time to 2039... Got any hot stock tips?

Not sure where you're going with this...

R.
Quoting: Reality420 24847476

Might be onto something there. Must have fallen through a time vortex and then fell back as I banged my head on the keyboard last night when analyzing the images. Swear to god that is the last time I use that pathetic camera tripod for anything like this.
Quoting: Dr. Astro

not an expert or anything, but it looks like an error of some sort to me because if you measured Orion and it is where it is supposed to be then does that not imply that all the other stars automatically should be in the right position as well?
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12/06/2012 10:54 AM
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Shouldnt of said anything until you had treble checked really Astro, you know some form of tard will get all doomy on this shit.
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Dr. Astro - I thought you would have know this. The declination of Polaris for the equinox J2000.0 (i.e. the beginning of the year 2000) was +89Â° 158242; 518243;. Precession is causing the pole to move closer to Polaris and its declination is now +89Â° 18', which makes it 42' (0.7Â°) from the north celestial pole. It will continue to get closer to the pole until the end of the century, when it will be 0.5Â° away. Your location on the Earth only affects the altitude of the pole and Polaris above the horizon and not the separation of Polaris from the pole. The pole would appear 32Â° above the horizon from your latitude (i.e. it is the same value as your latitude). So you can complete your tests, but this is normal.
Quoting: Dr. PhD 23168991

Move along, nothing to see here.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23338584

I already accounted for precession. My measurement came out to be 35 arcminutes, not 42 as you point out it should be. I've done this many times before with the telescope and it always matched up with the predicted value after accounting for precession.
Quoting: Dr. Astro

What does this mean for planet earth? I don't know so I ask. What does it change here or everywhere?
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Quoting: Dr. PhD 23168991

Quite possible.
Quoting: Dr. Astro

Then why didn't you wait until you could confirm that before posting otherwise? Seeing as that's the most logical explanation, it's kinda odd for you to post a dramatic finding on something that hasn't even been verified...
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Quoting: Dr. PhD 23168991

Quite possible.
Quoting: Dr. Astro

Dr Astro...Thank you for posting this thread...It is good to know if you find/see something that's not right...You will let others know!
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The Earth reaches perihelion - the point in its orbit closest to the Sun - in early January, only about two weeks after the December solstice. Thus winter begins in the northern hemisphere at about the time that the Earth is nearest the Sun. Is this important? Is there a reason why the times of solstice and perihelion are so close? It turns out that the proximity of the two dates is a coincidence of the particular century we live in. The date of perihelion does not remain fixed, but, over very long periods of time, slowly regresses (moves later) within the year. There is some evidence that this long-term change in the date of perihelion influences the Earth's climate.
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Shouldnt of said anything until you had treble checked really Astro, you know some form of tard will get all doomy on this shit.
Quoting: Cliff Fiscal

I know. And believe me, I was cursing the skies last night after it clouded up and did not allow me to check again with my scope. Unfortunately I already said ahead of time what I was going to do, so it would have been dishonest of me to cover up the anomaly, even if it probably is just a problem with the equipment.

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12/06/2012 10:57 AM
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Dr. Astro - I thought you would have know this. The declination of Polaris for the equinox J2000.0 (i.e. the beginning of the year 2000) was +89° 158242; 518243;. Precession is causing the pole to move closer to Polaris and its declination is now +89° 18', which makes it 42' (0.7°) from the north celestial pole. It will continue to get closer to the pole until the end of the century, when it will be 0.5° away. Your location on the Earth only affects the altitude of the pole and Polaris above the horizon and not the separation of Polaris from the pole. The pole would appear 32° above the horizon from your latitude (i.e. it is the same value as your latitude). So you can complete your tests, but this is normal.
Quoting: Dr. PhD 23168991

^that^ is important information.

Has Astro responded to this info?

Thanks for the explanation Dr. PhD
Quoting: JanJan

this is all just copied from google... poster actually knows nothing.. tried to sound smart...
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Eh?
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Quoting: Dr. PhD 23168991

Quite possible.
Quoting: Dr. Astro

Then why didn't you wait until you could confirm that before posting otherwise? Seeing as that's the most logical explanation, it's kinda odd for you to post a dramatic finding on something that hasn't even been verified...
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27302733

Because I already said what I was going to do before I did it. People were already starting to worry by the time I came back and made my report. I did not forsee any potential problem last night, but that's hindsight for you.

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Told y'all he'd be the first to say so when something wasn't right.
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12/06/2012 10:59 AM
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Assuming your previous calculations are correct, what does that entail?
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12/06/2012 10:59 AM
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Dr. Phd is a shill. you have found something astro.. you will be infamous.
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Mods, ...

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Quoting: Dr. Astro

Well, it's quite clear to me that you've travelled forward in time to 2039... Got any hot stock tips?

Not sure where you're going with this...

R.
Quoting: Reality420 24847476

Might be onto something there. Must have fallen through a time vortex and then fell back as I banged my head on the keyboard last night when analyzing the images. Swear to god that is the last time I use that pathetic camera tripod for anything like this.
Quoting: Dr. Astro

not an expert or anything, but it looks like an error of some sort to me because if you measured Orion and it is where it is supposed to be then does that not imply that all the other stars automatically should be in the right position as well?
Quoting: Nacht im Walde

The orion part was only to show that Orion itself hadn't moved relative to the surrounding stars. Fairly meaningless, but to cover all bases in response to the guy who said Orion was in the wrong place.

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12/06/2012 11:00 AM
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but the offset from Polaris to the north celestial pole appears to be off from the expected value by about 6 arcminutes
Quoting: Dr. Astro

Bullshit fearmonger 2012 tard you !
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25878729

You're obviously not familiar with Astro and his way of coping with this stuff.

He's one of the well known "voices of science" on this forum, often taking beating for it.

The fact he is now saying there seems to be something out of the place is worth carefully listening to, instead of jumping to conclusions of any kind.

For once, here's someone who actually knows his stuff. Please understand to appreciate the fact he's willing to lend that knowledge to the use of us and give him some time for further investigation before going tard yourself. ;)
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Hi Doc, is this why the moon is stationary?
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12/06/2012 11:01 AM
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Oh who cares, honestly? Doom tards will find things to see Doom in no matter what, and anyone who understands the things you post understand what you meant when you made this topic.
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We usually think of the Earth's axis as being fixed in direction - after all, it always seems to point toward Polaris, the North Star. But the direction is not quite constant: the axis does move, at a rate of a little more than a half-degree per century. So Polaris has not always been, and will not always be, the pole star. For example, when the pyramids were built, around 2500 BCE, the pole was near the star Thuban (Alpha Draconis). This gradual change in the direction of the Earth's axis, called precession, is caused by gravitational torques exerted by the Moon and Sun on the spinning, slightly oblate Earth.
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