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Axial rotation measurement anomaly *Update on pg 21 - Problem Solved*

 
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ASTRO: buy another telescope :)
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Shouldnt of said anything until you had treble checked really Astro, you know some form of tard will get all doomy on this shit.
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I know. And believe me, I was cursing the skies last night after it clouded up and did not allow me to check again with my scope. Unfortunately I already said ahead of time what I was going to do, so it would have been dishonest of me to cover up the anomaly, even if it probably is just a problem with the equipment.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Yeah thanks for the premature doomgasim lol
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Forgive my ignorance, but is this anomaly a relatively recent development ?
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Keep us informed Astro


THANKS

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Astro - Your readings are off due to the nature of your telescopic setup.
 Quoting: Dr. PhD 23168991


Quite possible.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Dr. Astro, is there anyone you can contact at a major observatory to confirm your finding? I assume you have astronomy pals all over the world with access to awesome tools. I know very little about your field, but it seems that this is something that could be easily checked by other astronomers.

Best thread of the week.
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I have a contact at JPL who regularly does work at Palomar. That's the next step if, and that's a huge IF, telescopic measurements confirm it.
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what would be VERY disturbing is if astro checks again tonight or tomorrow night and its off by twice the amount it was last night

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Mods, please forgive my cross-posting this from the other thread, but I believe this anomaly deserves its own thread until resolved. Updates will be forthcoming.

While testing the rather silly claim that the constellation Orion moved out of place, I found that Orion was where it should be, but the offset from Polaris to the north celestial pole appears to be off from the expected value by about 6 arcminutes. This may be due to flexure or settling in the flimsy camera tripod, but the only way to know will be to repeat this measurement telescopically. Further posts will detail repeated measurements starting tomorrow if weather allows.

It's been over an hour. Either the shit hit the fan or he fell asleep. Like I should be doing. Or, maybe he is on the phone with NASA. Got to get past pressing 1 a dozen times before you can choose English to proceed. Then there's a ton of red tape to fight your way through which sends you to the janitor. After you convince him he doesn't need to sweep away and hide any dirt, you get a security. need to convince him you arent on GLP by talking about the latest on Fox news, then you get a scientist. When you convince him you aren't asking about Nibiru he may answer.

These things take time.
 Quoting: Serendipitous


It's probably gonna take a while. When he makes a video, he spends a good amount of time on it.
 Quoting: #Geomagnetic_Storm#


Not making a video. Somethings not adding up on the axial rotation measurement (and you all thought I was a "shill" - I'm honest, even when it's very likely nothing at all). Tonight I took a shortcut and just used my SLR with telephoto lens on a tripod rather than hauling out the whole telescope. I also only had a few minutes of a gap between clouds and then it was clouded up completely. But something about this picture I took isn't adding up...
[link to i319.photobucket.com]
I'm consistently coming back to a distance of about 35 arcminutes for Polaris from the north celestial pole. That ain't right. It should be just shy of 41 arcminutes. Now, I've never calibrated this lens astrometrically before tonight, but I used the Polaris image itself as well as an earlier image I shot a few months back and they both resulted in about the same image scale of about 8.2 arcseconds per pixel at the resolution I'm using for analysis. Maybe I screwed my math up somewhere along the way, I'm running on very little sleep and I need to get some now if I'm every going to.

For the sake of sanity in the thread and so that people don't start killing themselves before I can solve this mystery, I've never tried to use my SLR camera by itself for this particular measurement before (I've always used my telescopes with the SLR catching the light at prime focus) and the 300mm telephoto lens I have is rather heavy. I'm thinking something settled or flexed on my camera tripod over the 8 minute exposure, causing the star trails to be artificially shifted by about 6 arcminutes (and for what it's worth, that's a small angle, one fifth the diameter of the moon's disc, it's not something Bubba in his trailer is going to notice just by casually looking and comparing by eye to a mountain range).

The telescopes I normally use are much beefier and sturdier. I'll repeat the measurement telescopically tomorrow. If telescopic measurement confirms it... I'll probably take a sniper bullet in the head because there's no way that kind of change could be kept secret without a mass assassination of every person like me.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro

 Quoting: Dr. Astro

going through the starting of a pole shift ? ...
thanks for posting .
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ASTRO: buy another telescope :)
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I already have two. Last night I was doing it quick with just a telephoto lens and camera tripod, but I will measure it again with the scopes instead.
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Mods, ...

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But something about this picture I took isn't adding up...
[link to i319.photobucket.com]
I'm consistently coming back to a distance of about 35 arcminutes for Polaris from the north celestial pole. That ain't right. It should be just shy of 41 arcminutes.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro

 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Well, it's quite clear to me that you've travelled forward in time to 2039... Got any hot stock tips?

Not sure where you're going with this...


R.
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Whoa!!!! He traveled beyond 2038...the UNIX/Linux time rollover? Impossible....the world, if it doesn't end in a few days, definitely ends when UNIX clocks roll over!
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cant you all feel it?
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So who or what is off its rocker ?
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Assuming that Polaris is off by 6 degrees - what does that mean for us here on Earth in Layman's terms?

Thanks hf
 Quoting: BadMoonRising 4583236

It's off by 6 arcminutes which is a tiny tiny part of a degree.
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Yes! This is whaat it is,,

there are 60 arcminutes in a degree and 60 arcseconds in 1 arcminute,

Each degree is divided into 60 arc minutes and each arc minute is divided into arc seconds. For eg if moon is 30 arc minute means it is about half degree or 1800 arc seconds.

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Astro - Your readings are off due to the nature of your telescopic setup.
 Quoting: Dr. PhD 23168991


Quite possible.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Dr. Astro, is there anyone you can contact at a major observatory to confirm your finding? I assume you have astronomy pals all over the world with access to awesome tools. I know very little about your field, but it seems that this is something that could be easily checked by other astronomers.

Best thread of the week.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28018721


I have a contact at JPL who regularly does work at Palomar. That's the next step if, and that's a huge IF, telescopic measurements confirm it.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Astro - Your readings are off due to the nature of your telescopic setup.
 Quoting: Dr. PhD 23168991


Quite possible.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Dr. Astro, is there anyone you can contact at a major observatory to confirm your finding? I assume you have astronomy pals all over the world with access to awesome tools. I know very little about your field, but it seems that this is something that could be easily checked by other astronomers.

Best thread of the week.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28018721


I have a contact at JPL who regularly does work at Palomar. That's the next step if, and that's a huge IF, telescopic measurements confirm it.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


I will ask my cousin who is an engineer-physicist ( one of the females that built worked the space shuttle ) she is also into everything there is to know about this kind of thing .
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I can make no sense of this gobbledy gook. Please dumb it toungedown for me.
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When was the last time you checked the measurement and it was correct?

If Polaris actually IS 6 arcminutes off, then you could roughly guesstimate how the time it took.
 Quoting: CalmShock

Last time I checked was January, but something like this would not be able to remain hidden for long before amateurs would either find it and mention it, or entire astronomy neighborhoods get wiped out. Last I checked the guys at Arizona sky village and chiefland astronomy village didn't all suddenly drop dead.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


JANUARY!! You mean for the last eleven months youve been saying that everything is as it should be, and now you're telling us that the spring
sun arriving early could indeed be possible? Fuck me gently!!
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grinning
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Technical people, a question. If the internet was created by the UK government or US military, would the creator have any authority at this stage of the internet being the ones who created it. Say like an original backdoor or whatever or was it released to be free so to speak?
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An arch minute is one sixtieth of a degree, so not off by too much, but off.
Slow crustal shift starting?
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The orion part was only to show that Orion itself hadn't moved relative to the surrounding stars. Fairly meaningless, but to cover all bases in response to the guy who said Orion was in the wrong place.
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Yes, and if those reading the forum don't get it why this is significant, then it's probably time for some (very) basic self-education.

It's obvious the guy in the video was talking about "Orion being at the wrong place" since he's not an expert of this field and could only see that the constellation he has known and looked at for many years appeared to have "jumped" away from it's normal path. Even I, having at least moderate understanding of this stuff and having been interested in the night sky from early childhood, couldn't do much more but to make note of my observations and ask others for further insights.

The Earth axis having some kind of wobbling effect is, at least for now, the only "sensible" explanation I can come up with for all these different things people all over the world are witnessing. The March 2011 EQ in Japan caused something ( [link to www.nytimes.com] but I haven't heard any news about that "small" disruption since. Been thinking many times, if that kick on the butt could have initiated this phenomena.

I know this is all just theory for now. Just playing around with a hypothesis and developing it according to new information and feedback.

Let's hope the skies are clear tonight for Astro to make further measurements.

I wouldn't be surprised if many had noticed something but would not speak out about it in forums etc, instead assuming they must have made a mistake or that their gear is somehow misaligned - for even an amateur astronomer to go out with the idea that the whole sky would suddenly be "out of place" (which, as they well know, would mean something huge has had to happen) is not something you'd see happening right away.
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Technical people, a question. If the internet was created by the UK government or US military, would the creator have any authority at this stage of the internet being the ones who created it. Say like an original backdoor or whatever or was it released to be free so to speak?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1366745


What does that have to do with this thread? There is no mystery to TCP\IPv4. It doesn't take the mastermind behind its creation to disrupt, monitor, or in any other way negatively affect it.
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Technical people, a question. If the internet was created by the UK government or US military, would the creator have any authority at this stage of the internet being the ones who created it. Say like an original backdoor or whatever or was it released to be free so to speak?
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of course
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Assuming your previous calculations are correct, what does that entail?
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Will someone please answer this or has it already been discussed?
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Assuming your previous calculations are correct, what does that entail?
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Will someone please answer this or has it already been discussed?
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A change in Earth's tilt...
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Didnt they say that Haiti quake shifted the axis ?
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The orion part was only to show that Orion itself hadn't moved relative to the surrounding stars. Fairly meaningless, but to cover all bases in response to the guy who said Orion was in the wrong place.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Yes, and if those reading the forum don't get it why this is significant, then it's probably time for some (very) basic self-education.

It's obvious the guy in the video was talking about "Orion being at the wrong place" since he's not an expert of this field and could only see that the constellation he has known and looked at for many years appeared to have "jumped" away from it's normal path. Even I, having at least moderate understanding of this stuff and having been interested in the night sky from early childhood, couldn't do much more but to make note of my observations and ask others for further insights.

The Earth axis having some kind of wobbling effect is, at least for now, the only "sensible" explanation I can come up with for all these different things people all over the world are witnessing. The March 2011 EQ in Japan caused something ( [link to www.nytimes.com] but I haven't heard any news about that "small" disruption since. Been thinking many times, if that kick on the butt could have initiated this phenomena.

I know this is all just theory for now. Just playing around with a hypothesis and developing it according to new information and feedback.

Let's hope the skies are clear tonight for Astro to make further measurements.

I wouldn't be surprised if many had noticed something but would not speak out about it in forums etc, instead assuming they must have made a mistake or that their gear is somehow misaligned - for even an amateur astronomer to go out with the idea that the whole sky would suddenly be "out of place" (which, as they well know, would mean something huge has had to happen) is not something you'd see happening right away.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29130142


I think its more of the Ecliptic Plane of earth being off

But that's just me
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Technical people, a question. If the internet was created by the UK government or US military, would the creator have any authority at this stage of the internet being the ones who created it. Say like an original backdoor or whatever or was it released to be free so to speak?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1366745


The Internet was created by several institutions over the time. Key parts of the original technology (namely the TCP/IP protocol with all it's layers) came from the US military et al. Still, there's no chance there would be any "backdoors" implemented on that level - it's really just a combination of technologies and protocols open to everyone (with the technical skills to understand them), and the "ground level" protocols themselves definitely don't contain any backdoors or alike.

It's a completely different matter though that there are many ways the Internet and it's users can be spied upon, the traffic can be disturbed etc. The president of the US now has the self-proclaimed authority to "shut down the Internet" at least for the US citizens, which would also mean the loss of several so called root dns servers for the whole world. There would be trouble, even though (in theory) the rest of Internet should work no matter what. That's how it was designed in the first place: to survive even a nuclear strike.
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Assuming your previous calculations are correct, what does that entail?
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Will someone please answer this or has it already been discussed?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16702446


A change in Earth's tilt...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27302733


ENTAIL: to impose as a burden: "Success entails hard work."

What does it "imply"?

Entail doesn't make sense unless you were asking him how he made the measurement.
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Didnt they say that Haiti quake shifted the axis ?
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Assuming your previous calculations are correct, what does that entail?
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Will someone please answer this or has it already been discussed?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16702446


A change in Earth's tilt...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27302733


ENTAIL: to impose as a burden: "Success entails hard work."

What does it "imply"?

Entail doesn't make sense unless you were asking him how he made the measurement.
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The meaning of words has long been lost...had they not been, more people would question why certain things are called what they are...
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Astro - Your readings are off due to the nature of your telescopic setup.
 Quoting: Dr. PhD 23168991


Quite possible.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Then why didn't you wait until you could confirm that before posting otherwise? Seeing as that's the most logical explanation, it's kinda odd for you to post a dramatic finding on something that hasn't even been verified...
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Because he is sensing something is not right, and even though he says it could be his equipment I have a feeling he knows better.... so he's giving us a heads up being that this is GLP.
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Don't know if this relevant, but if the measurement of 6 arcminutes corresponds to a surface movement of around 9 meters, then could this be attributed as being a Chandler Wobble? I'm no scientist but have just Googled "earth wobble effects" and wiki came up with that.
Check it out.

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