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sacred energy User ID: 12276203 Australia 12/07/2012 06:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To be fair, a guy in a trailer said he saw a wolf. I said I was going to go take a picture and show it to not be a wolf. Unfortunately I end up with a picture that looks like a wolf, but in hindsight I think I know why. I explain it. Now I could have hid the wolf-like picture, doing exactly what so many accuse me of doing, but instead I decide to do the honest thing. I didn't know going into it that the tripod would prove to be unreliable. That was my fault. I shouldn't have added a new complication to my old measurement technique. But I don't regret honestly reporting the problem and openly stating what I thought the problem was. Quoting: Dr. Astro Thankyou for your time, Good Karma for you... |
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DUCM900 User ID: 29257646 Italy 12/07/2012 06:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Of course a conspiracy theorist would argue that the OP has been instructed to make such a deliberate error and create initial alarm in order to calm the situation at a later time by admitting said error and prove his 'human side'. Quoting: BadMoonRising 4583236 Just saying. It was written before OP wrote the obvious some post ago... - Last Edited by IWASTHERE on 12/07/2012 06:45 AM |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 24410859 United States 12/07/2012 07:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It appears that all is right with the world. I found Polaris to be 835.7 pixels from the north celestial pole: Quoting: Dr. Astro [link to i319.photobucket.com] Previous astrometric calibration with this telescope and camera show that it has a resolution of 2.93 arcseconds per pixel: [link to www.flickr.com] Given that Polaris' declination after accounting for precession is 89d 19' 09.8", it should have been 2,450.2 arcseconds from the north celestial pole. 835.7*2.93 = 2448.601 for a difference of 1.599, less than the resolution of this telescope/camera combo and meaning that the NCP was exactly where it should have been in the image (I used my widefield refractor; had I used the main telescope Polaris would have been outside of the field of view and I would have had to measure off something else, leaving a question as to whether or not Polaris itself had mysteriously warped somewhere else). Here's the raw photograph from which the measurements were made. I used PixInsight dynamic background subtraction in the above version to subtract out some of the light pollution: [link to i319.photobucket.com] Thank you for the information Dr. Astro, and for checking/double-checking the info. That's the way it should be IMHO, you've earned my respect. |
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Eggifer User ID: 29265681 United States 12/07/2012 08:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I hate to be a hater, but my impression is that Astro wanted to see what it feels like to be the center of attention on a doom thread. How does it feel to frighten people? for page after page? Go back to naysayin and leave the doom-sayin to the experts. Abba Zabba Zoom |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 26143620 United States 12/07/2012 08:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Astro. Thank you for conducting your experiment like a true scientist. What you reported last night is good news. That type of doom is something I would not have wanted, so glad it turned out the way it did. It's sad that some people don't understand the methodology of science. My job is in quality assurance in a science field and I see these type of things happen all the time. Most people don't understand that a test is done and then it is validated at least once, sometimes more, to verify it's accuracy. How many times a test is validated depends on the differences between the test and the validation. In this example, the test and the validation yielded results that were much different. Maybe you would consider repeating your test again, with the same equipment, as a validation of the second test to prove the validity of last nights test and measurement? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 8035454 Canada 12/07/2012 09:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Question is...? The Burning Question. WHY THE FUCK SAY ANYTHING IN THE FIRST PLACE. GIVE ME A BREAK. ASTRO BEING ASTRO WOULD HAVE DOUBLE CHECKED IT IN THE FIRST PLACE BEFORE HAVING HAD OPENED HIS MOUTH OR SHOULD HAVE DOUBLE CHECKED BEFORE OPENING HIS MOUTH. I CALL BULLSHIT. NOT BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE HIM BUT BECAUSE BY POSTING HIS MAYBE ITS OUT I'M DOUBLE CHECKING HE KNEW THIS WOULD HAPPEN. CREATING A MONSTER. ANOTHER POSTER SAID CLASSIC ATTENTION HORRORING. WELL KIND OF LOOKS THAT WAY. I'M DONE WITH ASTRO.AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED THE GUY IS A PEICE OF SHIT AND A GAME PLAYER OF THE WORST KIND. I HAVE FRIENDS THAT ARE IN ASTRONOMY CLUBS. I HAVE PRINTED THIS WHOLE THREAD AND I AM TAKING IT TOO THEM FOR SCRUTANY AND A LAUGH. THIS IS HIGHLY IRRESPONSIBLE BEHAVIOR. FUCK HIM.IF THE REST OF YOU DON'T SEE THE GAME THAT JUST GOT PLAYED HERE THEN YOUR JUST SUCKED IN STUPID. ASTRO IS A NARCISSTIC SOCIOPATH. |
IwasKidding User ID: 27554728 United States 12/07/2012 09:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It appears that all is right with the world. I found Polaris to be 835.7 pixels from the north celestial pole: Quoting: Dr. Astro [link to i319.photobucket.com] Previous astrometric calibration with this telescope and camera show that it has a resolution of 2.93 arcseconds per pixel: [link to www.flickr.com] Given that Polaris' declination after accounting for precession is 89d 19' 09.8", it should have been 2,450.2 arcseconds from the north celestial pole. 835.7*2.93 = 2448.601 for a difference of 1.599, less than the resolution of this telescope/camera combo and meaning that the NCP was exactly where it should have been in the image (I used my widefield refractor; had I used the main telescope Polaris would have been outside of the field of view and I would have had to measure off something else, leaving a question as to whether or not Polaris itself had mysteriously warped somewhere else). Here's the raw photograph from which the measurements were made. I used PixInsight dynamic background subtraction in the above version to subtract out some of the light pollution: [link to i319.photobucket.com] Is that really you?? |
Rolling Stone User ID: 24472148 United Kingdom 12/07/2012 09:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Astro. Thank you for conducting your experiment like a true scientist. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26143620 What you reported last night is good news. That type of doom is something I would not have wanted, so glad it turned out the way it did. It's sad that some people don't understand the methodology of science. My job is in quality assurance in a science field and I see these type of things happen all the time. Most people don't understand that a test is done and then it is validated at least once, sometimes more, to verify it's accuracy. How many times a test is validated depends on the differences between the test and the validation. In this example, the test and the validation yielded results that were much different. Maybe you would consider repeating your test again, with the same equipment, as a validation of the second test to prove the validity of last nights test and measurement? Are you serious??? A true scientist would have kept his mouth shut until he could confirm that his findings were accurate. |
Malibu User ID: 18983901 United States 12/07/2012 09:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25720192 He once had a good reputation for being a voice of reason. Then he posted a misleading and alarmist thread based on a single dodgy unchecked measurment, using even more dodgy equipment. Now his reputation is only slightly better than that of the other trolls here, In short - you could say his reputation is currentley in the gutter.. ..but he's still looking at the stars. Then I guess you missed the point of this thread, to show that you should always look for problems in methodology, don't just trust dodgy evidence, check it, see if it holds up to scrutiny. I said from the very beginning that I believed the initial measurement was faulty and I even stated why. I tested that hypothesis tonight and found that indeed a sturdy telescope solves the problem. I did precisely what you won't see some dodgy "researcher" on youtube do every time they see what they think is evidence of a "pole shift" or "nibiru." I questioned my own results and re-tested with proper methods. All of which is true, and for which i have respect for you for. But still, does not take away form the fact that this was a misleading alarmist thread. 22 pages for what - a fucked up measurment. I said from the beginning to expect that. I did this as openly and transparently as humanly possible. I really don't see how you can find fault with me. the lesson should be " if you want people to take you seroiusly don't cry wolf, and don't publish until you are sure" Quoting: ACThat's another good lesson as well, but in my estimation a greater lesson could be learned from teaching how to question your own results and do the proper legwork to arrive at the correct answer. I explained time and time again that I believed the problem to be the camera tripod. That's not crying wolf. Imagine you really do see something unusual, a week from now, something you check and it seems correct. Quoting: ACWill anyone believe you now? Of course. If I check it, show what I'm doing, and explain the results then not only will it give good reason to believe me, but it will make whatever I did repeatable. That's how science works. You don't always, or even usually, get an exciting result. There are entire scientific journals dedicated to negative results. This, however, is an internet forum, not a scientific journal. I think it's more interesting and educational for everyone if they get to come along for the journey and see how it's done step by step as I do it. Thank you for your efforts! I've been reading your posts for over 2 years now and I know you're one of the most credible posters here. Please don't be discouraged by the haters. |
StormeyGoddess User ID: 22004193 United States 12/07/2012 09:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To be fair, a guy in a trailer said he saw a wolf. I said I was going to go take a picture and show it to not be a wolf. Unfortunately I end up with a picture that looks like a wolf, but in hindsight I think I know why. I explain it. Now I could have hid the wolf-like picture, doing exactly what so many accuse me of doing, but instead I decide to do the honest thing. I didn't know going into it that the tripod would prove to be unreliable. That was my fault. I shouldn't have added a new complication to my old measurement technique. But I don't regret honestly reporting the problem and openly stating what I thought the problem was. Quoting: Dr. Astro You have my respect and appreciation! Thanks for your hard work and dedication. You do have my respect and look forward to any findings you care to share with us. "Don't look back, you're not going that way." "As for me and my family, we will serve the Lord.” |
Dr. Astro (OP) Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 27749847 United States 12/07/2012 09:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I HAVE FRIENDS THAT ARE IN ASTRONOMY CLUBS. I HAVE PRINTED THIS WHOLE THREAD AND I AM TAKING IT TOO THEM FOR SCRUTANY AND A LAUGH. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8035454 You printed 24 pages? Well, I guess if you're angry enough to type in all caps maybe you would do something like that, but if I saw a guy come into my club with 24 pages he printed off the internet for me to scrutinize, I might think him a little... 'off.' Funny how you think I should have hidden my results and done the very thing I've been accused of doing with so much vitriol. Well, if I say I'm going to do something, and I do it, I'm not going to lie in order to hide the results even I think they're flawed. I'll simply tell you I think they're flawed, like I did here. It's not about "attention whoring," it's about honesty. Last Edited by Astromut on 12/07/2012 09:34 AM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 8035454 Canada 12/07/2012 09:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I HAVE FRIENDS THAT ARE IN ASTRONOMY CLUBS. I HAVE PRINTED THIS WHOLE THREAD AND I AM TAKING IT TOO THEM FOR SCRUTANY AND A LAUGH. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8035454 You printed 24 pages? Well, I guess if you're angry enough to type in all caps maybe you would do something like that, but if I saw a guy come into my club with 24 pages he printed off the internet for me to scrutinize, I might think him a little... 'off.' Funny how you think I should have hidden my results and done the very thing I've been accused of doing with so much vitriol. Well, if I say I'm going to do something, and I do it, I'm not going to lie in order to hide the results even I think they're flawed. I'll simply tell you I think they're flawed, like I did here. It's not about "attention whoring," it's about honesty. Not Angry. Just baffled. Shaking my head at the whole thing. Makes no sense at all. Even your behavior makes no sense. You appologize to the Mods for moving the thread. Start another one saying its probably flawed but do it anyways and then show up and say YUP flawed. WOW. Now your talking about well this just goes to show you about double checking and flawed equipment. Have you been using this flawed tripod the whole time prior to this event for your other little science experiments...? Did you go buy a new and better one for this event. Sorry. But I just don't get the little experiment you just ran on all of us. This was opening up the Pandora's Box and a can of worms all at once. The question still begs an answer Astro. Why did you say ANYTHING in the first place...? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1055574 United States 12/07/2012 10:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I HAVE FRIENDS THAT ARE IN ASTRONOMY CLUBS. I HAVE PRINTED THIS WHOLE THREAD AND I AM TAKING IT TOO THEM FOR SCRUTANY AND A LAUGH. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8035454 You printed 24 pages? Well, I guess if you're angry enough to type in all caps maybe you would do something like that, but if I saw a guy come into my club with 24 pages he printed off the internet for me to scrutinize, I might think him a little... 'off.' Funny how you think I should have hidden my results and done the very thing I've been accused of doing with so much vitriol. Well, if I say I'm going to do something, and I do it, I'm not going to lie in order to hide the results even I think they're flawed. I'll simply tell you I think they're flawed, like I did here. It's not about "attention whoring," it's about honesty. Not Angry. Just baffled. Shaking my head at the whole thing. Makes no sense at all. Even your behavior makes no sense. You appologize to the Mods for moving the thread. Start another one saying its probably flawed but do it anyways and then show up and say YUP flawed. WOW. Now your talking about well this just goes to show you about double checking and flawed equipment. Have you been using this flawed tripod the whole time prior to this event for your other little science experiments...? Did you go buy a new and better one for this event. Sorry. But I just don't get the little experiment you just ran on all of us. This was opening up the Pandora's Box and a can of worms all at once. The question still begs an answer Astro. Why did you say ANYTHING in the first place...? If you had actually read the thread you claim you printed, you'd have answers to every one of your questions you just asked. |
Dr. Astro (OP) Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 4211721 United States 12/07/2012 10:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Have you been using this flawed tripod the whole time prior to this event for your other little science experiments...? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8035454 No. If you'd been paying attention you would have noticed that I specifically said it was the first time I attempted to do it with this tripod in this manner. It was faster and enabled me to catch a break in the clouds before it completely clouded up for the night. Did you go buy a new and better one for this event. Quoting: ACNo, I used my normal telescopes. The question still begs an answer Astro. Why did you say ANYTHING in the first place...? Quoting: ACI told you, I set out to debunk the claim that Orion, and by extension, the sky was tilted abnormally out of place. You are suggesting I should have hidden my results. |
Dr. Astro (OP) Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 4211721 United States 12/07/2012 10:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I HAVE FRIENDS THAT ARE IN ASTRONOMY CLUBS. I HAVE PRINTED THIS WHOLE THREAD AND I AM TAKING IT TOO THEM FOR SCRUTANY AND A LAUGH. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8035454 You printed 24 pages? Well, I guess if you're angry enough to type in all caps maybe you would do something like that, but if I saw a guy come into my club with 24 pages he printed off the internet for me to scrutinize, I might think him a little... 'off.' Funny how you think I should have hidden my results and done the very thing I've been accused of doing with so much vitriol. Well, if I say I'm going to do something, and I do it, I'm not going to lie in order to hide the results even I think they're flawed. I'll simply tell you I think they're flawed, like I did here. It's not about "attention whoring," it's about honesty. Not Angry. Just baffled. Shaking my head at the whole thing. Makes no sense at all. Even your behavior makes no sense. You appologize to the Mods for moving the thread. Start another one saying its probably flawed but do it anyways and then show up and say YUP flawed. WOW. Now your talking about well this just goes to show you about double checking and flawed equipment. Have you been using this flawed tripod the whole time prior to this event for your other little science experiments...? Did you go buy a new and better one for this event. Sorry. But I just don't get the little experiment you just ran on all of us. This was opening up the Pandora's Box and a can of worms all at once. The question still begs an answer Astro. Why did you say ANYTHING in the first place...? If you had actually read the thread you claim you printed, you'd have answers to every one of your questions you just asked. I guess he plans on reading it on his 24 printed out pages when he shares them with his astronomy club. |