Godlike Productions - Conspiracy Forum
Users Online Now: 2,981 (Who's On?)Visitors Today: 1,559,370
Pageviews Today: 2,059,233Threads Today: 424Posts Today: 8,291
01:12 PM


Rate this Thread

Absolute BS Crap Reasonable Nice Amazing
 

The IRS is an ILLEGAL institution - PROOF

 
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 12805954
United States
12/13/2012 09:00 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The IRS is an ILLEGAL institution - PROOF
bump
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 20901334
United States
12/13/2012 09:12 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The IRS is an ILLEGAL institution - PROOF
The IRS isn't illegal. Being as they are a collection agency for banks, they collect Fed Reserve notes and not Dollars. A collection agency isn't illegal. If you quit using FeRNs then you wouldn't have to worry about the IRS because you are not generating income using their script. You can always get paid in coins since they are struck by the US Mint (Constitutional) or trade in your FeRNs at the closest Fed Res Bank and exchange them for actual Dollars. It's in the Fed Res bylaws that they HAVE to do this.
Now if you were using Constitutional money and the IRS came after you, that would be unlawful!
 Quoting: John Donson 28607946


Correct, also, fed reserve notes double as USNotes , however you must make that distinction upon endorsement (USC Title 12Sec 411, redeeming lawful money in true name)

Good Catch on the Coins ! Even though they are not gold or silver they are lawful money ... you know your stuff
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26912620


Yep, all money issued by the US Treasury is Lawful AND Constitutional money, and cannot be taxed because it is issued under Congress' power to "coin money and set the value there of".

Federal Reserve Notes are NOT money and are backed and issued only for those who pledge their goods, services, labor and even children to "back" the notes repayment to the FED.

You endorse the FEDs money, they OWN YOU, literally.

Demand lawful money per 12 USC 411 and tell them "NO" to their offers of fiat currency/DEBT.

It is good to see others spreading the good word of lawful money redemption.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 12805954
United States
12/13/2012 11:06 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The IRS is an ILLEGAL institution - PROOF
bump
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 12805954
United States
12/13/2012 11:11 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The IRS is an ILLEGAL institution - PROOF
all these glpeople TALK about how bad the FED is, then FULLY endorse the SYSTEM by not REDEEMING lawful money. simply PATHETIC.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 20901334
United States
12/13/2012 11:15 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The IRS is an ILLEGAL institution - PROOF
all these glpeople TALK about how bad the FED is, then FULLY endorse the SYSTEM by not REDEEMING lawful money. simply PATHETIC.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12805954


True, people want to blame others for their own acts and ignorance.

Fact is, the FED would simply not have a customer base without consumers endorsing and using their product, like any business.

Nobody is forced to use Federal Reserve Notes when US Treasury notes are already in their pocket! All they need to do is make their demand public record on their endorsements and its over.

12 USC 411, its right there in black and white. too simple I guess.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 12805954
United States
12/13/2012 12:47 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The IRS is an ILLEGAL institution - PROOF
bump
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 169265
United States
12/18/2012 04:31 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The IRS is an ILLEGAL institution - PROOF
all these glpeople TALK about how bad the FED is, then FULLY endorse the SYSTEM by not REDEEMING lawful money. simply PATHETIC.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12805954


Because it doesn't work.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 20901334
United States
12/19/2012 11:22 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The IRS is an ILLEGAL institution - PROOF
all these glpeople TALK about how bad the FED is, then FULLY endorse the SYSTEM by not REDEEMING lawful money. simply PATHETIC.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12805954


Because it doesn't work.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 169265


Really? I do it, and it works, many others do as well.
Saddletramp
We Don't Rent Pigs...

User ID: 740208
United States
12/19/2012 11:30 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The IRS is an ILLEGAL institution - PROOF
The problem with all of this is simple, Federal Judges participating in an illegal system.

'Cause they will throw your ass in jail if you don't pay...

So how do you break that hold when Federal Judges will simply ignore any relevant precedent or lack of statutory law giving the IRS legal ability to enforce their rules that you put in front of them?!?!?

Because all Federal Judges know, if they try to overthrow this system, they're dead men walking...
"And how can a man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods..." ~ Horatius

"Because he told the truth, and once you've heard the truth, everything else is just cheap whiskey..."
ru1im2

User ID: 22675270
Mongolia
12/20/2012 05:38 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The IRS is an ILLEGAL institution - PROOF
The problem with all of this is simple, Federal Judges participating in an illegal system.

'Cause they will throw your ass in jail if you don't pay...

So how do you break that hold when Federal Judges will simply ignore any relevant precedent or lack of statutory law giving the IRS legal ability to enforce their rules that you put in front of them?!?!?

Because all Federal Judges know, if they try to overthrow this system, they're dead men walking...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


this true
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 20901334
United States
12/20/2012 09:16 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The IRS is an ILLEGAL institution - PROOF
The problem with all of this is simple, Federal Judges participating in an illegal system.

'Cause they will throw your ass in jail if you don't pay...

So how do you break that hold when Federal Judges will simply ignore any relevant precedent or lack of statutory law giving the IRS legal ability to enforce their rules that you put in front of them?!?!?

Because all Federal Judges know, if they try to overthrow this system, they're dead men walking...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


this true
 Quoting: ru1im2


While that may be true, the fact is, the IRS will not and cannot prosecute anyone for redeeming money per 12 USC 411.

Please explain how a case can be brought against anyone for OBEYING THE LAW?

12 USC 411 is the Federal law, saying the IRS can (or will) file a case against someone for doing what is states as LAW is nonsense.

Please, get something better than illogical drama and flat out lies as your counter arguments for 12 USC 411.

But, keep bumping the thread!
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 20901334
United States
12/20/2012 09:19 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The IRS is an ILLEGAL institution - PROOF
The problem with all of this is simple, Federal Judges participating in an illegal system.

'Cause they will throw your ass in jail if you don't pay...

So how do you break that hold when Federal Judges will simply ignore any relevant precedent or lack of statutory law giving the IRS legal ability to enforce their rules that you put in front of them?!?!?

Because all Federal Judges know, if they try to overthrow this system, they're dead men walking...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


this true
 Quoting: ru1im2


A group of federal judges just won a case against the Federal Government for payment of contract agreements.

None of them have been killed, so that kind of ends that.

Demand is made for lawful money per 12 USC 411.

I have been doing it for nearly 6 years now, I have not had one issue doing it, nor any threats from the IRS...
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1310979
United States
12/21/2012 02:36 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The IRS is an ILLEGAL institution - PROOF
The problem with all of this is simple, Federal Judges participating in an illegal system.

'Cause they will throw your ass in jail if you don't pay...

So how do you break that hold when Federal Judges will simply ignore any relevant precedent or lack of statutory law giving the IRS legal ability to enforce their rules that you put in front of them?!?!?

Because all Federal Judges know, if they try to overthrow this system, they're dead men walking...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


this true
 Quoting: ru1im2


A group of federal judges just won a case against the Federal Government for payment of contract agreements.

None of them have been killed, so that kind of ends that.

Demand is made for lawful money per 12 USC 411.

I have been doing it for nearly 6 years now, I have not had one issue doing it, nor any threats from the IRS...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20901334

Just wait they will make an example out of somebody soon. Do you remember Gordon Kahl?
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 20901334
United States
12/21/2012 05:02 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The IRS is an ILLEGAL institution - PROOF
The problem with all of this is simple, Federal Judges participating in an illegal system.

'Cause they will throw your ass in jail if you don't pay...

So how do you break that hold when Federal Judges will simply ignore any relevant precedent or lack of statutory law giving the IRS legal ability to enforce their rules that you put in front of them?!?!?

Because all Federal Judges know, if they try to overthrow this system, they're dead men walking...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


this true
 Quoting: ru1im2


A group of federal judges just won a case against the Federal Government for payment of contract agreements.

None of them have been killed, so that kind of ends that.

Demand is made for lawful money per 12 USC 411.

I have been doing it for nearly 6 years now, I have not had one issue doing it, nor any threats from the IRS...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20901334

Just wait they will make an example out of somebody soon. Do you remember Gordon Kahl?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1310979


I still am waiting for you or anyone to explain how they can do anything, since 12-USC 411 clearly spells out "...Federal reserve notes...shall be redeemed for lawful money on demand"

Just wait? For what? A case filed for demanding my money be redeemed?

And no, I do not know any Gordon Kahl, but I do know he was not demanding lawful money per 12 USC 411, so it is irrelevant to this thread.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 28017433
United States
12/21/2012 05:04 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The IRS is an ILLEGAL institution - PROOF
bump
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 31082165
12/29/2012 03:13 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The IRS is an ILLEGAL institution - PROOF
bump
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 32235185
United States
01/19/2013 10:55 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The IRS is an ILLEGAL institution - PROOF
Agree as I have read all the information online as the OP stated.

Now, what are the CITIZENS going to do about it?

STOP FILING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14091728

Are you inciting people to stop filing?
Neo1

User ID: 33152863
United States
01/27/2013 06:59 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The IRS is an ILLEGAL institution - PROOF
Use federal reserve notes and incur an Irrecusable obligation. The puzzle is complete!!!
A Banksters defeatism (realization of defeat) nightmare, Being forced to Return to Real Money=United States Note=Lawful Money, Use the Remedy within the Federal Reserve Act. Redeemed 12USC411, Refusal Penalty 12USC501a [link to savingtosuitorsclub.net] Stop being a Slave!!!!!! This is Tax Free Money!!!!!! [link to stormthunder.com]
Convincing Congress to Abolish the Fed [link to www.silverbearcafe.com]
Irrecusable obligation, which according to 'Bouvier's Law Dictionary' (1914 ed.), is "a term used to indicate a certain class of contractual obligations recognized by the law which are imposed upon a person without his consent and without regard to any act of his own." This is distinguished from a recusable obligation, which according to Bouvier, arises from a voluntary act by which one incurs the obligation imposed by the operation of law. The Income Tax succinctly described is an irrecusable obligation.
The obligation to make a return of income for using private credit is recognized in law as an irrecusable obligation. The voluntary use of private credit is the condition precedent, which imposes the irrecusable obligation to file a tax return. If private credit is not used or rejected, then the operation of law, which imposes the irrecusable obligation lies dormant and cannot apply.
RU1IM2

User ID: 30388794
Mongolia
02/15/2013 06:57 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The IRS is an ILLEGAL institution - PROOF
OP this is an amazing thread, 5 stars for sure. can you discuss a bit on the 16th amendment and how that relates at all?

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: SteamrolledGobias


Income = profit

Who profits?.... The Employer

The employed exchange time for a wage, not an "income"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29169365


This is the crux of the biscuit!
CtYankee

User ID: 30129105
United States
02/15/2013 07:37 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The IRS is an ILLEGAL institution - PROOF
And of course, constitutionally the whole concept of a 'millionaires' tax is reprehensible, as is the concept that some need pay nothing.
In truth, the 'flat tax' is what was intended.
One thing for sure you dont hear anyone saying is how much of your own money are you allowed to keep, and as nobody goes there, the assumption and presumption is that you are entitled to keep none of your earnings for yourself what so ever, and that line of thinking is clear as crystal in the current tax debate.

If so called public servants can demand your property with no basis in law at the start, there is functionally nothing to stop them for taking everything, and they intend to, and are working on it at this very moment. THe whole fiscal clif deal is to get you used to being told you owe someone for expenditures you did not authorize, that you were not informed about and were in point of fact in the majority of instances misappropriated or otherwise fraudulently spent.
Until the public realizes that others cannot legitimately indebt another against his will or intent, nothing will change
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2763718


clappa
CtYankee

"If at first you don't succeed, erase all evidence that you tried." -anonymous


-Spouting a fountain of nonsense since 1972-

Never met anyone important enough to lie to.....
CtYankee

User ID: 30129105
United States
02/15/2013 09:08 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The IRS is an ILLEGAL institution - PROOF
clappa
CtYankee

"If at first you don't succeed, erase all evidence that you tried." -anonymous


-Spouting a fountain of nonsense since 1972-

Never met anyone important enough to lie to.....
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 466425
05/20/2013 03:05 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The IRS is an ILLEGAL institution - PROOF
bump
Anonymous
User ID: 39791588
United States
05/20/2013 07:26 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The IRS is an ILLEGAL institution - PROOF
If this is true then why arn't we (the American tax payer) pressing charges of fraud against these bastards???
SteamrolledGobias

User ID: 15716609
United States
05/20/2013 07:33 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The IRS is an ILLEGAL institution - PROOF
If this is true then why arn't we (the American tax payer) pressing charges of fraud against these bastards???
 Quoting: Anonymous 39791588


because the judges are corrupt and they'll just throw out the case
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 19004483
United States
05/20/2013 07:42 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The IRS is an ILLEGAL institution - PROOF
PISS ON THE IRS!!
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 19004483
United States
05/20/2013 07:45 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The IRS is an ILLEGAL institution - PROOF
13th Amendment.

Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.[2]

Fuck all Americans that want to steal from other Americans as well.

Frankly, you People, that support this, are not American.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 19004483
United States
05/20/2013 07:46 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The IRS is an ILLEGAL institution - PROOF
13th Amendment.

Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.[2]

Fuck all Americans that want to steal from other Americans as well.

Frankly, you People, that support this, are not American.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19004483


In Selective Draft Law Cases, 245 U.S. 366 (1918), the Supreme Court ruled that the military draft was not "involuntary servitude".
No offenses against the Thirteenth Amendment have been prosecuted since 1947.[19][20]
Psychological coercion had been the primary means of forcing involuntary servitude in United States v. Ingalls, 73 F. Supp. 76, 77 (S.D. Cal. 1947).[21] However, in United States v. Kozminski, 487 U.S. 931 (1988), the Supreme Court ruled that the Thirteenth Amendment did not prohibit compulsion of servitude through psychological coercion.[22][23] Kozminski limited involuntary servitude to those situations when the master subjects the servant to:
threatened or actual physical force,
threatened or actual state-imposed legal coercion, or
fraud or deceit where the servant is a minor, an immigrant or mentally incompetent.
The Trafficking Victims Protection Act of 2000, P.L. 106-386, updated the federal anti-slavery statutes to include victims who are enslaved through psychological coercion, even if there was no physical coercion.[24][25] [link to en.wikipedia.org]
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 35402988
United States
05/21/2013 08:50 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The IRS is an ILLEGAL institution - PROOF
If this is true then why arn't we (the American tax payer) pressing charges of fraud against these bastards???
 Quoting: Anonymous 39791588


because the judges are corrupt and they'll just throw out the case
 Quoting: SteamrolledGobias

sheep

News