The IRS is an ILLEGAL institution - PROOF

oh I know all about greed, ect. It is a mess.
if there's not a profit to make,for someone why bother. GREED. ultimatly the country goes broke. Its got to stop somewhere.

I think it stops when people realize they are being hustled. I am not a greedy person (or atleast as greedy as I used to be, or as greedy other people are now, or ... I get confused)

The Ayn Rand type of greed is theoretically okay. If you want material things in your life, you work hard. you invent stuff. you might even make shady deals with other people in the game.

The law of the jungle -- is not okay -- but better than the system we have now. you want something, you beat up the guy who has it. but you are the one doing it.

Slavery, like being forced to build pyramids -- is not okay -- but better than the system we have now.

I still dont fully understand the system we have now.

The IRS isn't illegal. Being as they are a collection agency for banks, they collect Fed Reserve notes and not Dollars. A collection agency isn't illegal. If you quit using FeRNs then you wouldn't have to worry about the IRS because you are not generating income using their script. You can always get paid in coins since they are struck by the US Mint (Constitutional) or trade in your FeRNs at the closest Fed Res Bank and exchange them for actual Dollars. It's in the Fed Res bylaws that they HAVE to do this.
Now if you were using Constitutional money and the IRS came after you, that would be unlawful!

TTT

They've probably got this thread and YOUR house under surveillance right now just for creating this thread... Prepare to be swat teamed...

Lincoln gave us debt free money.
Hero.

So would this apply the same in differant countries i.e Australia. All in the means that IRS is named something else basically and that the laws would still roughly be similar, I get differant years and constitutional grounds vary, although the same basic outline would apply that abolishes the legality of paying these bastards...

Last Edited by CYBERDELIK on 12/06/2012 02:02 PM

I actually learned this in law school - tax class.

I told everyone I knew about it, and no one, not one single person, believed me or wanted to do anything about it.

BTW: Some IRS agents don't pay income taxes b/c they do know the 'law'.

Numerous exceptions to this: self-employed tax, sales tax, etc... .

we are to be governed by Law and not by arbitrary bureaucrats- sorry but that barn door was left open a long time ago.

All Americans should file a class action law suit against the IRS for fraud.

I can see it now America vs IRS.

if you dont pay your taxes you will go to jail no if or but about it.

They STEAL your money!!
When the law is GOD governed, I would have no problem, and until THAT day happens, the HELL WITH THEM....as that is exactly where they will GO!

First of all: What are you going to do about it?
What can you do about it?

If you don't know, don't fuck with them. They will crush you.

The 16th amendment is irrelevant in regards to the pay you get for your time and labor. The 16th amendment taxes income DERIVED from property. Meaning income separated from the property. Examples: rent, interest, capital gains, and the gain derived from hiring at least one employee.

As the source of your labor/time was the income separated from you? Uggh NO. So why are they taxing it? Perhaps there is something else going on.

When you get a loan from the bank is that loan amount taxable? NO...why? Because you have to pay it back. What happens if you default or the loan amount is forgiven? IT BECOMES TAXABLE. Why? Because now its a gain.

No apply that logic to your paycheck. You deposit it..the check is intercepted and cleared by the federal reserve's check clearing house in fed credit. Is there an obligation to pay that money back?...nope..hence the entire amount is considered a gain and as such becomes taxable. Hence why the courts always say peoples wages have a zero basis. Your work and time invested for that check is a completely different transaction. The next transaction (depositing the check) is in no way related to the previous one. Pretty shitty deal huh?

Another part of this is that when the check is run thru the fed ACH system it generates BANK CREDIT (Fed credit) for you. This is a taxable event. Got Lawful money of the United States?

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does it matter mr knowledgeable armchair internet pirate?

what cha gonna do about it huh?

Actually 1789 is a date you should research

you should expand on this date because I am interested...

also bumping this great thread to share info with others. OP has put together some very powerful research.

12USC411 states that you can demand to have your frn's redeemed for lawful money. REDEEM the irs only deals with frn's.

Correct, also, fed reserve notes double as USNotes , however you must make that distinction upon endorsement (USC Title 12Sec 411, redeeming lawful money in true name)

Good Catch on the Coins ! Even though they are not gold or silver they are lawful money ... you know your stuff

I believe he is talking about the Judiciary Act , read article 9 and oyu will find that you are the court, have a court (your home) ... the kings court ...

It reaches back to the magna charta (spelling) ...

I think 1792 is the coinage act

Using a birth certificate name (signing for it) places you under the commerce clause of the USConstitution (as a government employee) now you can be regulated lawfully ....

The BC is held by department of commerce as a federa reserve bank / agent

Wow, someone who actually knows what is going on and what can be done about it.

"DEMAND IS MADE FOR LAWFUL MONEY PER 12-USC 411"

Written above all your endorsements on all deposits and withdrawals from any and every bank and you are free of them.

Look it up, many are doing it and yes, it works.

"Hero!?"

LMAO! Lincoln was a secret Rothschild. He also suspended habeus corpus.

"the FAA was promptly declared unconstitutional inside the 50 States by the U.S. Supreme Court in the case of U.S. v. Constantine, 296 U.S. 287 (1935), because Prohibition had already been repealed."


That SCOTUS ruling predates the 1938 landmark case, Erie Railroad versus Tompkins, so is MOOT.