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Id Ego Super Ego

 
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For the past week in chat we have been discussing the ego and I said that I would start a post on the different concepts that has developed from Freud Erikson and Jung. Later on in my posting I will tie it in to the teachings of Yahoshua the Nazoraion.

Unless you can grasp these concepts it is very difficult to discuss the ego, because everyone interprets it in to the discussion with different ideas of what they believe based on their definitions and not the definitions of the founders of the id ego super ego.

[link to thebodyofjesusthenazoraion.com]
After reading the above.

Why is this important? My next reply.
If you could have a general road map of life in general, would you not want to understand it. So at least you could have and educated idea of certain pitfalls and how to possibly avoiding as many as possible to make you life and those around you successful happier and also healthier so ya'll could enjoy life in a more fulfilling way?

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The Id according to Freud

The id is the only component of personality that is present from birth. This aspect of personality is entirely unconscious and includes of the instinctive and primitive behaviors. According to Freud, the id is the source of all psychic energy, making it the primary component of personality.

Freud goes on to say
The Interaction of the Id, Ego and Superego
With so many competing forces, it is easy to see how conflict might arise between the id, ego and superego. Freud used the term ego strength to refer to the ego's ability to function despite these dueling forces. A person with good ego strength is able to effectively manage these pressures, while those with too much or too little ego strength can become too unyielding or too disrupting.

According to Freud, the key to a healthy personality is a balance between the id, the ego, and the superego.

The above statement is why Jung and Erikson disagrees with Freud about the id. At birth
Jung and Erikson believed the id and ego to be present at birth. The above statement of competing forces starts before birth and at birth the ego is already at work along with the id according to Jung and Erikson

Ego Development Outcome: Trust vs. Mistrust
Basic strength: Drive and Hope

Birth - 18 months
Erikson also referred to infancy as the Oral Sensory Stage (as anyone might who watches a baby put everything in her mouth) where the major emphasis is on the mother's positive and loving care for the child, with a big emphasis on visual contact and touch. If we pass successfully through this period of life, we will learn to trust that life is basically okay and have basic confidence in the future. If we fail to experience trust and are constantly frustrated because our needs are not met, we may end up with a deep-seated feeling of worthlessness and a mistrust of the world in general.

Incidentally, many studies of suicides and suicide attempts point to the importance of the early years in developing the basic belief that the world is trustworthy and that every individual has a right to be here.

Not surprisingly, the most significant relationship is with the maternal parent, or whoever is our most significant and constant caregiver.

With this in mind I will interject my thoughts, an immature
person can not give this care to an infant nor can a working parent fully supply these needs. If a woman understands this at an early age, she will want to avoid a baby until she is self fulfilled confident and ready for this life long commitment in her own life.

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freud was a cocaine junky
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freud was a cocaine junky
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I know that among other things, he also was a brilliant man who had a lot to offer humanity. If he was not a cocaine junky we would have a better understanding of his writings because he would have been able to analyses them more clearly.
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Ego from Latin and Greek

The Freudian Ego indeed comes directly from Latin but the philosophical term of Ego was first introduced by Zeno of Citium in alter ego and then passed into Latin which has also ego as cognate for "I" but not the abstractive definition before Aelios 18:30, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
[link to en.wiktionary.org]

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Eva wrote: Incidentally, many studies of suicides and suicide attempts point to the importance of the early years in developing the basic belief that the world is trustworthy and that every individual has a right to be here.

As science and biology of the human brain evolves we begin to understand the validity of this statement.
When a child is born he/she interacts closely with the care taker with mirroring neurons. The care taker literally infects or contages the infant with her emotions. If the care taker is loving, patient, present, attuned, this become a part of the infants internal world. An infant receiving this from his/her mirroring neurons will develop a healthy ego that can handle stress much more efficiently than a child who had an angry care taker. The child with a preset, patient, attuned caregiver develops a private logic as follows:
Am: A loved and loveable
The world is: a safe place
Others are kind
Therefore: I thrive, survive and love.

Take for example a hostile mother, generally disenfranchised, angry and anxious.
This mother will infect the child's brain. The child's brain will begin to miss important developmental milestones as the brain develops from the bottom up. The child will develop a state trait of fear, easily transitioning to terror when presented with stress. These children are similar to children with PTSD, they have resting heart rates over 100
This child develops a private logic as follows.

I am: unlovable
Others are: hostile
The world is: dangerous
Therefor I: am aggressive hostile and dangerous.

We could go on and on about mirroring neurons and brain development from the caretaker to the infant and the ensuing private logic of the ego.

So when you discuss parenting, it is so much more crucial to be a healthy individual before you give birth.
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The still face experiment reinforces the mirroring neuron effect.

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Clique
A child is brought into the world and Immediately the mother and father or the care takers are now part of the child's clique.
According to Freud, the id is the only component of personality that is present from birth.
Erikson and Young did not agree. They included the ego being present at birth. I agree with Erikson and Young.
If you add to your clique
John 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name.
The Name meaning a saving quality, Jesus meaning Yahoshua meaning Salvation
Then the child is now though his or her development with the parents guidance will become aware of a higher power in their life leading them into the spiritual world that contains truth that will ultimately lead them to all truth.
If the clique that they have entered into is nurturing positive enlightening Consistent, predictable, the enriched experiences will help a child develop their potential.
Helping in understanding the God or the highest power that is a parent being the highest power offers all of us a parent child relationship not a God master slave relationship. If thorough life the child does not internalize this, a great deal of hardships and disappointments will arise which increases anxiety and difficulties that become problematic with all that are included in their clique....
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The still face experiment reinforces the mirroring neuron effect.


 Quoting: FubarMan


If you watch this video and think about the mom being you God or higher power then you will notice that it is the parent that shapes the child's life. Nurturing and interacting is a better teacher.
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All consuming self

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The term public relations replaced the hated word, propaganda

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Patience or brilliance
At birth we have the ability to grow patience and brilliance,, the Id that is the pleasure principle and the ego which is the brilliance to learn how to change our lives and others for the better , which now includes the super ego, or,the id supresses that ability, and then allows us to exploit others .In other words, some where along this process some of us come to the realization that brilliance to do good through patience is the way to win, for all, though brilliance and patiencr. If this process does not occur we have a pattern set to get our way, to get what we want, at any cost, the id has rule over ego thus causing the super ego to have serious flaws in our ability to develop....
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