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JUST-IN: Poland confirms TNT was found on Polish president's plane wreckage that crashed in Smolensk, Russia in 2010

 
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JUST-IN: Poland confirms TNT was found on Polish president's plane wreckage that crashed in Smolensk, Russia in 2010
After denying a Rzeczpospolita report in November that claimed Polish investigators had found traces of TNT and nitroglycerin on the wreckage of the TU-154 plane that crashed in Smolensk, Russia in 2010 killing President Lech Kaczynski and 95 others, Ireneusz Szelag, the head of the Military Prosecutor's Office in Warsaw, has now admitted that investigators had indeed found TNT on the plane wreckage.

Mr Szelag made the statements before a judicial parliamentary commission on Wednesday saying the investigator's equipment had indicated traces of TNT were present on the TU-154 plane.

[link to www.wbj.pl]

shit is about to hit the fan

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Well accidents do happen as they say.
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Well accidents do happen as they say.
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Yes, they do.................................LOL.
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Naaaaww

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Naaaaww

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Re: JUST-IN: Poland confirms TNT was found on Polish president's plane wreckage that crashed in Smolensk, Russia in 2010
After denying a Rzeczpospolita report in November that claimed Polish investigators had found traces of TNT and nitroglycerin on the wreckage of the TU-154 plane that crashed in Smolensk, Russia in 2010 killing President Lech Kaczynski and 95 others, Ireneusz Szelag, the head of the Military Prosecutor's Office in Warsaw, has now admitted that investigators had indeed found TNT on the plane wreckage.

Mr Szelag made the statements before a judicial parliamentary commission on Wednesday saying the investigator's equipment had indicated traces of TNT were present on the TU-154 plane.

[link to www.wbj.pl]

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Why wouldn't Poland come right out and say it was Russia? Why wait years later when everything is completely de-escalated?
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Re: JUST-IN: Poland confirms TNT was found on Polish president's plane wreckage that crashed in Smolensk, Russia in 2010
After denying a Rzeczpospolita report in November that claimed Polish investigators had found traces of TNT and nitroglycerin on the wreckage of the TU-154 plane that crashed in Smolensk, Russia in 2010 killing President Lech Kaczynski and 95 others, Ireneusz Szelag, the head of the Military Prosecutor's Office in Warsaw, has now admitted that investigators had indeed found TNT on the plane wreckage.

Mr Szelag made the statements before a judicial parliamentary commission on Wednesday saying the investigator's equipment had indicated traces of TNT were present on the TU-154 plane.

[link to www.wbj.pl]

shit is about to hit the fan

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Re: JUST-IN: Poland confirms TNT was found on Polish president's plane wreckage that crashed in Smolensk, Russia in 2010
After denying a Rzeczpospolita report in November that claimed Polish investigators had found traces of TNT and nitroglycerin on the wreckage of the TU-154 plane that crashed in Smolensk, Russia in 2010 killing President Lech Kaczynski and 95 others, Ireneusz Szelag, the head of the Military Prosecutor's Office in Warsaw, has now admitted that investigators had indeed found TNT on the plane wreckage.

Mr Szelag made the statements before a judicial parliamentary commission on Wednesday saying the investigator's equipment had indicated traces of TNT were present on the TU-154 plane.

[link to www.wbj.pl]

shit is about to hit the fan

damned
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29214853


Why wouldn't Poland come right out and say it was Russia? Why wait years later when everything is completely de-escalated?
 Quoting: Dixie Normous


In a way, you've probably answered your own question.

I do not think Poland wants a confrontation with Russia.
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Re: JUST-IN: Poland confirms TNT was found on Polish president's plane wreckage that crashed in Smolensk, Russia in 2010
After denying a Rzeczpospolita report in November that claimed Polish investigators had found traces of TNT and nitroglycerin on the wreckage of the TU-154 plane that crashed in Smolensk, Russia in 2010 killing President Lech Kaczynski and 95 others, Ireneusz Szelag, the head of the Military Prosecutor's Office in Warsaw, has now admitted that investigators had indeed found TNT on the plane wreckage.

Mr Szelag made the statements before a judicial parliamentary commission on Wednesday saying the investigator's equipment had indicated traces of TNT were present on the TU-154 plane.

[link to www.wbj.pl]

shit is about to hit the fan

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sherlock
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So what do YOU think is going to happen, then, Polish genius?
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Re: JUST-IN: Poland confirms TNT was found on Polish president's plane wreckage that crashed in Smolensk, Russia in 2010
After denying a Rzeczpospolita report in November that claimed Polish investigators had found traces of TNT and nitroglycerin on the wreckage of the TU-154 plane that crashed in Smolensk, Russia in 2010 killing President Lech Kaczynski and 95 others, Ireneusz Szelag, the head of the Military Prosecutor's Office in Warsaw, has now admitted that investigators had indeed found TNT on the plane wreckage.

Mr Szelag made the statements before a judicial parliamentary commission on Wednesday saying the investigator's equipment had indicated traces of TNT were present on the TU-154 plane.

[link to www.wbj.pl]

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Polish commission FINAL REPORT

poland link:

[link to mswia.datacenter-poland.pl]


Page 318

3.2.2. Circumstances Contributing to the Accident
1) Failure to monitor altitude by means of a pressure altimeter during a non-precision





approach;
2) failure by the crew to respond to the PULL UP warning generated by the TAWS;
3) attempt to execute the go-around maneuver under the control of ABSU (automatic go-
around);
4) Approach Control confirming to the crew the correct position of the airplane in
relation to the RWY threshold, glide slope, and course which might have affirmed the
crew's belief that the approach was proceeding correctly although the airplane was
actually outside the permissible deviation margin;
5) failure by LZC to inform the crew about descending below the glide slope and delayed
issuance of the level-out command;
6) incorrect training of the Tu-154M flight crews in the 36 Regiment.
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Re: JUST-IN: Poland confirms TNT was found on Polish president's plane wreckage that crashed in Smolensk, Russia in 2010
"Polish Editor Resigns, Newspaper Apologizes for Story Claiming Explosives Caused Plane Crash"

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OP, do not tell that you did not know this!thwak
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PULL UP! PULL UP! PULL UP
wake up sheep!
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PULL UP! PULL UP! PULL UP
wake up sheep!
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This, and there is no way in hell anyone is going to tell me, or anyone else who has looked at this, that it was an accident.
This was one of the absolute worst murders done by tptb and they got away with it scott free. Pisses me off to no end.
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PULL UP! PULL UP! PULL UP
wake up sheep!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28256797


This, and there is no way in hell anyone is going to tell me, or anyone else who has looked at this, that it was an accident.
This was one of the absolute worst murders done by tptb and they got away with it scott free. Pisses me off to no end.
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stfu

Enough of your propaganda.
And enough trolling Russia.
read this
[link to mswia.datacenter-poland.pl]
and shut up!
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Re: JUST-IN: Poland confirms TNT was found on Polish president's plane wreckage that crashed in Smolensk, Russia in 2010
After denying a Rzeczpospolita report in November that claimed Polish investigators had found traces of TNT and nitroglycerin on the wreckage of the TU-154 plane that crashed in Smolensk, Russia in 2010 killing President Lech Kaczynski and 95 others, Ireneusz Szelag, the head of the Military Prosecutor's Office in Warsaw, has now admitted that investigators had indeed found TNT on the plane wreckage.

Mr Szelag made the statements before a judicial parliamentary commission on Wednesday saying the investigator's equipment had indicated traces of TNT were present on the TU-154 plane.

[link to www.wbj.pl]

shit is about to hit the fan

damned
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29214853


Why wouldn't Poland come right out and say it was Russia? Why wait years later when everything is completely de-escalated?
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Because Russia would squash Poland like a bug.
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I wrote a bunch of stuff i would probably later regret, and deleted it, now im typing this. i dont have words
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Re: JUST-IN: Poland confirms TNT was found on Polish president's plane wreckage that crashed in Smolensk, Russia in 2010
The OP article is dated today, and it's THE WARSAW JOURNAL.

Yes, the Polish prosecutor who denied the November news story about the TNT discovery has now totally recanted his previous remarks denying the finding - remarks which caused the editor of the other major Polish newspaper to be fired.

BUT LISTEN TO THIS SPIN in the last paragraph:

“Today, we know that traces of TNT were found on the wreckage of the TU-154 plane ... but from confirming traces of TNT to suggesting an assassination is a long way,” commented Justice Minister Jarosław Gowin.

yoda


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Name went crazy on my last post...

Quoting the Warsaw Business Journal

“Today, we know that traces of TNT were found on the wreckage of the TU-154 plane ... but from confirming traces of TNT to suggesting an assassination is a long way,” commented Justice Minister Jaroslaw Gowin."

Now why do you think Poland and other former USSR satellite states ARE EAGER TO HELP THE USA ESTABLISH MISSILE SITES in their countries?

resist
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Why wouldn't Poland come right out and say it was Russia? Why wait years later when everything is completely de-escalated?
 Quoting: Dixie Normous


Why would anyone conclude it was the russians necessarily? Anyone could be responsible for this.
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Pffft what a pantload of SHIT! Its SMOLENSK FOR FUCK'S SAKE! The site of the largest battles in World War II, involving hundreds of THOUSANDS of Soviet and German troops from 1941-1944!!! Of course there will be "traces" of TNT everyfuckingwhere!!! How dumb are you?!?! If this plane was "taken down by the evil Russians" You'd think they'd at least use C4 or some other "plastic" explosive!!?!?!?!?

But no, lets ignore these facts and just stick with "the evil Russians did it!"
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Name went crazy on my last post...

Quoting the Warsaw Business Journal

“Today, we know that traces of TNT were found on the wreckage of the TU-154 plane ... but from confirming traces of TNT to suggesting an assassination is a long way,” commented Justice Minister Jaroslaw Gowin."

Now why do you think Poland and other former USSR satellite states ARE EAGER TO HELP THE USA ESTABLISH MISSILE SITES in their countries?

resist
 Quoting: 13th-Century


Ok maybe you don't understand, the vast majority of battlefield explosives (artillery shells, mortar rounds, grenades and land mines) used TNT on the Eastern front in WORLD WAR II!!!!! Of course you will find traces of TNT all over SMOLENSK!!!!!!!!!

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Re: JUST-IN: Poland confirms TNT was found on Polish president's plane wreckage that crashed in Smolensk, Russia in 2010
After denying a Rzeczpospolita report in November that claimed Polish investigators had found traces of TNT and nitroglycerin on the wreckage of the TU-154 plane that crashed in Smolensk, Russia in 2010 killing President Lech Kaczynski and 95 others, Ireneusz Szelag, the head of the Military Prosecutor's Office in Warsaw, has now admitted that investigators had indeed found TNT on the plane wreckage.

Mr Szelag made the statements before a judicial parliamentary commission on Wednesday saying the investigator's equipment had indicated traces of TNT were present on the TU-154 plane.

[link to www.wbj.pl]

shit is about to hit the fan

damned
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29214853


Why wouldn't Poland come right out and say it was Russia? Why wait years later when everything is completely de-escalated?
 Quoting: Dixie Normous


First you need to have the plane wreck. They do not want to give it back.
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Re: JUST-IN: Poland confirms TNT was found on Polish president's plane wreckage that crashed in Smolensk, Russia in 2010
Wait, is this the crash that there was a video of survivors supposedly being shot?
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Wait, is this the crash that there was a video of survivors supposedly being shot?
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YES! this is the thing where a president was murdered, a film was realeased showing it. and now they have physical proof aside from video, and there isnt any news about this. this is why our media needs to be destroyed. they are propogating lies, its the ministry of truth, thats what our media is
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Name went crazy on my last post...

Quoting the Warsaw Business Journal

“Today, we know that traces of TNT were found on the wreckage of the TU-154 plane ... but from confirming traces of TNT to suggesting an assassination is a long way,” commented Justice Minister Jaroslaw Gowin."

Now why do you think Poland and other former USSR satellite states ARE EAGER TO HELP THE USA ESTABLISH MISSILE SITES in their countries?

resist
 Quoting: 13th-Century


Ok maybe you don't understand, the vast majority of battlefield explosives (artillery shells, mortar rounds, grenades and land mines) used TNT on the Eastern front in WORLD WAR II!!!!! Of course you will find traces of TNT all over SMOLENSK!!!!!!!!!

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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I actually like to read whatever links an OP posts here. And so I know that the TNT was found on 30 of the seats of the plane, plus elsewhere inside the airplane.

I'm sorry you missed seeing this information, and got off on a stupid rant about old WWII explosive material.

Give it up, man.

wtf
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Name went crazy on my last post...

Quoting the Warsaw Business Journal

“Today, we know that traces of TNT were found on the wreckage of the TU-154 plane ... but from confirming traces of TNT to suggesting an assassination is a long way,” commented Justice Minister Jaroslaw Gowin."

Now why do you think Poland and other former USSR satellite states ARE EAGER TO HELP THE USA ESTABLISH MISSILE SITES in their countries?

resist
 Quoting: 13th-Century


Ok maybe you don't understand, the vast majority of battlefield explosives (artillery shells, mortar rounds, grenades and land mines) used TNT on the Eastern front in WORLD WAR II!!!!! Of course you will find traces of TNT all over SMOLENSK!!!!!!!!!

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29202458


I actually like to read whatever links an OP posts here. And so I know that the TNT was found on 30 of the seats of the plane, plus elsewhere inside the airplane.

I'm sorry you missed seeing this information, and got off on a stupid rant about old WWII explosive material.

Give it up, man.

wtf
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30 fabric seats... yeah, because nothing sticks to fabric... no particles of any kind will stick to fabric

putin
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Name went crazy on my last post...

Quoting the Warsaw Business Journal

“Today, we know that traces of TNT were found on the wreckage of the TU-154 plane ... but from confirming traces of TNT to suggesting an assassination is a long way,” commented Justice Minister Jaroslaw Gowin."

Now why do you think Poland and other former USSR satellite states ARE EAGER TO HELP THE USA ESTABLISH MISSILE SITES in their countries?

resist
 Quoting: 13th-Century


Ok maybe you don't understand, the vast majority of battlefield explosives (artillery shells, mortar rounds, grenades and land mines) used TNT on the Eastern front in WORLD WAR II!!!!! Of course you will find traces of TNT all over SMOLENSK!!!!!!!!!

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29202458


I actually like to read whatever links an OP posts here. And so I know that the TNT was found on 30 of the seats of the plane, plus elsewhere inside the airplane.

I'm sorry you missed seeing this information, and got off on a stupid rant about old WWII explosive material.

Give it up, man.

wtf
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30 fabric seats... yeah, because nothing sticks to fabric... no particles of any kind will stick to fabric

putin
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I don't know, would the plane they were in have dropped bombs in WWII? If so would it have had the same fabric seats? And last question that I can think of at the moment, if there were bombs and the same cloth seats would there have been TNT from the bombs left in the plane? I mean after the bombs leave the factory I would think they would be tightly sealed and not leak, unless they were exploded in the plane.

I ask because I have no clue to the answers, and knowing the answers would help clarify what may have happened or not.

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