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Dixie Normous User ID: 11619293 United States 12/06/2012 03:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: JUST-IN: Poland confirms TNT was found on Polish president's plane wreckage that crashed in Smolensk, Russia in 2010 After denying a Rzeczpospolita report in November that claimed Polish investigators had found traces of TNT and nitroglycerin on the wreckage of the TU-154 plane that crashed in Smolensk, Russia in 2010 killing President Lech Kaczynski and 95 others, Ireneusz Szelag, the head of the Military Prosecutor's Office in Warsaw, has now admitted that investigators had indeed found TNT on the plane wreckage. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29214853 Mr Szelag made the statements before a judicial parliamentary commission on Wednesday saying the investigator's equipment had indicated traces of TNT were present on the TU-154 plane. [link to www.wbj.pl] shit is about to hit the fan Why wouldn't Poland come right out and say it was Russia? Why wait years later when everything is completely de-escalated? |
Anonymous Ward User ID: 29219748 Poland 12/06/2012 03:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: JUST-IN: Poland confirms TNT was found on Polish president's plane wreckage that crashed in Smolensk, Russia in 2010 After denying a Rzeczpospolita report in November that claimed Polish investigators had found traces of TNT and nitroglycerin on the wreckage of the TU-154 plane that crashed in Smolensk, Russia in 2010 killing President Lech Kaczynski and 95 others, Ireneusz Szelag, the head of the Military Prosecutor's Office in Warsaw, has now admitted that investigators had indeed found TNT on the plane wreckage. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29214853 Mr Szelag made the statements before a judicial parliamentary commission on Wednesday saying the investigator's equipment had indicated traces of TNT were present on the TU-154 plane. [link to www.wbj.pl] shit is about to hit the fan Please Do Take a cup ... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 29217019 United States 12/06/2012 03:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: JUST-IN: Poland confirms TNT was found on Polish president's plane wreckage that crashed in Smolensk, Russia in 2010 After denying a Rzeczpospolita report in November that claimed Polish investigators had found traces of TNT and nitroglycerin on the wreckage of the TU-154 plane that crashed in Smolensk, Russia in 2010 killing President Lech Kaczynski and 95 others, Ireneusz Szelag, the head of the Military Prosecutor's Office in Warsaw, has now admitted that investigators had indeed found TNT on the plane wreckage. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29214853 Mr Szelag made the statements before a judicial parliamentary commission on Wednesday saying the investigator's equipment had indicated traces of TNT were present on the TU-154 plane. [link to www.wbj.pl] shit is about to hit the fan Why wouldn't Poland come right out and say it was Russia? Why wait years later when everything is completely de-escalated? In a way, you've probably answered your own question. I do not think Poland wants a confrontation with Russia. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 29217019 United States 12/06/2012 03:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: JUST-IN: Poland confirms TNT was found on Polish president's plane wreckage that crashed in Smolensk, Russia in 2010 After denying a Rzeczpospolita report in November that claimed Polish investigators had found traces of TNT and nitroglycerin on the wreckage of the TU-154 plane that crashed in Smolensk, Russia in 2010 killing President Lech Kaczynski and 95 others, Ireneusz Szelag, the head of the Military Prosecutor's Office in Warsaw, has now admitted that investigators had indeed found TNT on the plane wreckage. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29214853 Mr Szelag made the statements before a judicial parliamentary commission on Wednesday saying the investigator's equipment had indicated traces of TNT were present on the TU-154 plane. [link to www.wbj.pl] shit is about to hit the fan Please Do Take a cup ... So what do YOU think is going to happen, then, Polish genius? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 28256797 Russia 12/06/2012 03:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: JUST-IN: Poland confirms TNT was found on Polish president's plane wreckage that crashed in Smolensk, Russia in 2010 After denying a Rzeczpospolita report in November that claimed Polish investigators had found traces of TNT and nitroglycerin on the wreckage of the TU-154 plane that crashed in Smolensk, Russia in 2010 killing President Lech Kaczynski and 95 others, Ireneusz Szelag, the head of the Military Prosecutor's Office in Warsaw, has now admitted that investigators had indeed found TNT on the plane wreckage. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29214853 Mr Szelag made the statements before a judicial parliamentary commission on Wednesday saying the investigator's equipment had indicated traces of TNT were present on the TU-154 plane. [link to www.wbj.pl] shit is about to hit the fan Polish commission FINAL REPORT poland link: [link to mswia.datacenter-poland.pl] Page 318 3.2.2. Circumstances Contributing to the Accident 1) Failure to monitor altitude by means of a pressure altimeter during a non-precision approach; 2) failure by the crew to respond to the PULL UP warning generated by the TAWS; 3) attempt to execute the go-around maneuver under the control of ABSU (automatic go- around); 4) Approach Control confirming to the crew the correct position of the airplane in relation to the RWY threshold, glide slope, and course which might have affirmed the crew's belief that the approach was proceeding correctly although the airplane was actually outside the permissible deviation margin; 5) failure by LZC to inform the crew about descending below the glide slope and delayed issuance of the level-out command; 6) incorrect training of the Tu-154M flight crews in the 36 Regiment. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 28256797 Russia 12/06/2012 04:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: JUST-IN: Poland confirms TNT was found on Polish president's plane wreckage that crashed in Smolensk, Russia in 2010 "Polish Editor Resigns, Newspaper Apologizes for Story Claiming Explosives Caused Plane Crash" [link to www.imediaethics.org] OP, do not tell that you did not know this! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 28702611 United States 12/06/2012 05:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: JUST-IN: Poland confirms TNT was found on Polish president's plane wreckage that crashed in Smolensk, Russia in 2010 This, and there is no way in hell anyone is going to tell me, or anyone else who has looked at this, that it was an accident. This was one of the absolute worst murders done by tptb and they got away with it scott free. Pisses me off to no end. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 28256797 Russia 12/06/2012 05:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: JUST-IN: Poland confirms TNT was found on Polish president's plane wreckage that crashed in Smolensk, Russia in 2010 This, and there is no way in hell anyone is going to tell me, or anyone else who has looked at this, that it was an accident. This was one of the absolute worst murders done by tptb and they got away with it scott free. Pisses me off to no end. Enough of your propaganda. And enough trolling Russia. read this [link to mswia.datacenter-poland.pl] and shut up! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 25670971 United States 12/06/2012 05:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: JUST-IN: Poland confirms TNT was found on Polish president's plane wreckage that crashed in Smolensk, Russia in 2010 After denying a Rzeczpospolita report in November that claimed Polish investigators had found traces of TNT and nitroglycerin on the wreckage of the TU-154 plane that crashed in Smolensk, Russia in 2010 killing President Lech Kaczynski and 95 others, Ireneusz Szelag, the head of the Military Prosecutor's Office in Warsaw, has now admitted that investigators had indeed found TNT on the plane wreckage. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29214853 Mr Szelag made the statements before a judicial parliamentary commission on Wednesday saying the investigator's equipment had indicated traces of TNT were present on the TU-154 plane. [link to www.wbj.pl] shit is about to hit the fan Why wouldn't Poland come right out and say it was Russia? Why wait years later when everything is completely de-escalated? Because Russia would squash Poland like a bug. |
EugeneOregonAwakened User ID: 4123634 United States 12/06/2012 05:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: JUST-IN: Poland confirms TNT was found on Polish president's plane wreckage that crashed in Smolensk, Russia in 2010 I wrote a bunch of stuff i would probably later regret, and deleted it, now im typing this. i dont have words Do You Guys Believe SevenOfNine and Chokotay Hook Up? Where Did That Come From? |
13th-Century User ID: 28715327 Canada 12/06/2012 06:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: JUST-IN: Poland confirms TNT was found on Polish president's plane wreckage that crashed in Smolensk, Russia in 2010 The OP article is dated today, and it's THE WARSAW JOURNAL. Yes, the Polish prosecutor who denied the November news story about the TNT discovery has now totally recanted his previous remarks denying the finding - remarks which caused the editor of the other major Polish newspaper to be fired. BUT LISTEN TO THIS SPIN in the last paragraph: “Today, we know that traces of TNT were found on the wreckage of the TU-154 plane ... but from confirming traces of TNT to suggesting an assassination is a long way,” commented Justice Minister Jarosław Gowin. Justice Ministers are part of the problem everywhere, aren't they? |
13th-Century User ID: 28715327 Canada 12/06/2012 06:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: JUST-IN: Poland confirms TNT was found on Polish president's plane wreckage that crashed in Smolensk, Russia in 2010 Name went crazy on my last post... Quoting the Warsaw Business Journal “Today, we know that traces of TNT were found on the wreckage of the TU-154 plane ... but from confirming traces of TNT to suggesting an assassination is a long way,” commented Justice Minister Jaroslaw Gowin." Now why do you think Poland and other former USSR satellite states ARE EAGER TO HELP THE USA ESTABLISH MISSILE SITES in their countries? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 29202458 United States 12/06/2012 06:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: JUST-IN: Poland confirms TNT was found on Polish president's plane wreckage that crashed in Smolensk, Russia in 2010 Pffft what a pantload of SHIT! Its SMOLENSK FOR FUCK'S SAKE! The site of the largest battles in World War II, involving hundreds of THOUSANDS of Soviet and German troops from 1941-1944!!! Of course there will be "traces" of TNT everyfuckingwhere!!! How dumb are you?!?! If this plane was "taken down by the evil Russians" You'd think they'd at least use C4 or some other "plastic" explosive!!?!?!?!? But no, lets ignore these facts and just stick with "the evil Russians did it!" |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 29202458 United States 12/06/2012 06:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: JUST-IN: Poland confirms TNT was found on Polish president's plane wreckage that crashed in Smolensk, Russia in 2010 Name went crazy on my last post... Quoting: 13th-Century Quoting the Warsaw Business Journal “Today, we know that traces of TNT were found on the wreckage of the TU-154 plane ... but from confirming traces of TNT to suggesting an assassination is a long way,” commented Justice Minister Jaroslaw Gowin." Now why do you think Poland and other former USSR satellite states ARE EAGER TO HELP THE USA ESTABLISH MISSILE SITES in their countries? Ok maybe you don't understand, the vast majority of battlefield explosives (artillery shells, mortar rounds, grenades and land mines) used TNT on the Eastern front in WORLD WAR II!!!!! Of course you will find traces of TNT all over SMOLENSK!!!!!!!!! [link to en.wikipedia.org] [link to en.wikipedia.org] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 27619877 Poland 12/06/2012 06:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: JUST-IN: Poland confirms TNT was found on Polish president's plane wreckage that crashed in Smolensk, Russia in 2010 After denying a Rzeczpospolita report in November that claimed Polish investigators had found traces of TNT and nitroglycerin on the wreckage of the TU-154 plane that crashed in Smolensk, Russia in 2010 killing President Lech Kaczynski and 95 others, Ireneusz Szelag, the head of the Military Prosecutor's Office in Warsaw, has now admitted that investigators had indeed found TNT on the plane wreckage. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29214853 Mr Szelag made the statements before a judicial parliamentary commission on Wednesday saying the investigator's equipment had indicated traces of TNT were present on the TU-154 plane. [link to www.wbj.pl] shit is about to hit the fan Why wouldn't Poland come right out and say it was Russia? Why wait years later when everything is completely de-escalated? First you need to have the plane wreck. They do not want to give it back. |
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EugeneOregonAwakened User ID: 4123634 United States 12/06/2012 08:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: JUST-IN: Poland confirms TNT was found on Polish president's plane wreckage that crashed in Smolensk, Russia in 2010 Wait, is this the crash that there was a video of survivors supposedly being shot? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21473005 YES! this is the thing where a president was murdered, a film was realeased showing it. and now they have physical proof aside from video, and there isnt any news about this. this is why our media needs to be destroyed. they are propogating lies, its the ministry of truth, thats what our media is Do You Guys Believe SevenOfNine and Chokotay Hook Up? Where Did That Come From? |
13th-Century User ID: 28715327 Canada 12/06/2012 08:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: JUST-IN: Poland confirms TNT was found on Polish president's plane wreckage that crashed in Smolensk, Russia in 2010 Name went crazy on my last post... Quoting: 13th-Century Quoting the Warsaw Business Journal “Today, we know that traces of TNT were found on the wreckage of the TU-154 plane ... but from confirming traces of TNT to suggesting an assassination is a long way,” commented Justice Minister Jaroslaw Gowin." Now why do you think Poland and other former USSR satellite states ARE EAGER TO HELP THE USA ESTABLISH MISSILE SITES in their countries? Ok maybe you don't understand, the vast majority of battlefield explosives (artillery shells, mortar rounds, grenades and land mines) used TNT on the Eastern front in WORLD WAR II!!!!! Of course you will find traces of TNT all over SMOLENSK!!!!!!!!! [link to en.wikipedia.org] [link to en.wikipedia.org] I actually like to read whatever links an OP posts here. And so I know that the TNT was found on 30 of the seats of the plane, plus elsewhere inside the airplane. I'm sorry you missed seeing this information, and got off on a stupid rant about old WWII explosive material. Give it up, man. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 29202458 United States 12/06/2012 08:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: JUST-IN: Poland confirms TNT was found on Polish president's plane wreckage that crashed in Smolensk, Russia in 2010 Name went crazy on my last post... Quoting: 13th-Century Quoting the Warsaw Business Journal “Today, we know that traces of TNT were found on the wreckage of the TU-154 plane ... but from confirming traces of TNT to suggesting an assassination is a long way,” commented Justice Minister Jaroslaw Gowin." Now why do you think Poland and other former USSR satellite states ARE EAGER TO HELP THE USA ESTABLISH MISSILE SITES in their countries? Ok maybe you don't understand, the vast majority of battlefield explosives (artillery shells, mortar rounds, grenades and land mines) used TNT on the Eastern front in WORLD WAR II!!!!! Of course you will find traces of TNT all over SMOLENSK!!!!!!!!! [link to en.wikipedia.org] [link to en.wikipedia.org] I actually like to read whatever links an OP posts here. And so I know that the TNT was found on 30 of the seats of the plane, plus elsewhere inside the airplane. I'm sorry you missed seeing this information, and got off on a stupid rant about old WWII explosive material. Give it up, man. 30 fabric seats... yeah, because nothing sticks to fabric... no particles of any kind will stick to fabric |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 21473005 United States 12/06/2012 11:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: JUST-IN: Poland confirms TNT was found on Polish president's plane wreckage that crashed in Smolensk, Russia in 2010 Name went crazy on my last post... Quoting: 13th-Century Quoting the Warsaw Business Journal “Today, we know that traces of TNT were found on the wreckage of the TU-154 plane ... but from confirming traces of TNT to suggesting an assassination is a long way,” commented Justice Minister Jaroslaw Gowin." Now why do you think Poland and other former USSR satellite states ARE EAGER TO HELP THE USA ESTABLISH MISSILE SITES in their countries? Ok maybe you don't understand, the vast majority of battlefield explosives (artillery shells, mortar rounds, grenades and land mines) used TNT on the Eastern front in WORLD WAR II!!!!! Of course you will find traces of TNT all over SMOLENSK!!!!!!!!! [link to en.wikipedia.org] [link to en.wikipedia.org] I actually like to read whatever links an OP posts here. And so I know that the TNT was found on 30 of the seats of the plane, plus elsewhere inside the airplane. I'm sorry you missed seeing this information, and got off on a stupid rant about old WWII explosive material. Give it up, man. 30 fabric seats... yeah, because nothing sticks to fabric... no particles of any kind will stick to fabric I don't know, would the plane they were in have dropped bombs in WWII? If so would it have had the same fabric seats? And last question that I can think of at the moment, if there were bombs and the same cloth seats would there have been TNT from the bombs left in the plane? I mean after the bombs leave the factory I would think they would be tightly sealed and not leak, unless they were exploded in the plane. I ask because I have no clue to the answers, and knowing the answers would help clarify what may have happened or not. |