FACT CHECK: Jesse Ventura's "Conspiracy Theory" episode "Ozarks" is highly misleading. | |
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| TheTruthNeverLies User ID: 28381736 12/07/2012 07:16 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just so u know, Jesse HAS to make stupid goofy episodes on purpose. Its In His contract. He also didn't wanna do the reptilian one either.He admitted all this in an interview. He's still awesome!! Last Edited by TheTruthNeverLies on 12/07/2012 07:17 AM "Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples' liberty's teeth." "Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master." -George Washington |
| geminilion User ID: 12895036 12/07/2012 07:17 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I watched it and laughed out loud. Like they would really let people drive freely through the tunnels or get close to the house. Also, I noticed a row of flags in front of the tunnel and wondered why they didn't at least take a look at that? Don't forget..the Wizard of Oz who lives on an Ark LOL I've only watched it a few times and it wasn't so bad but this episode was so contrived and corny. ..."The soul is dyed the color of its thoughts. Think only on those things that are in line with your principles and can bear the light of day. The content of your character is your choice. Day by day, what you choose, what you think, and what you do is who you become. Your integrity is your destiny ... it is the light that guides your way." Heraclitus |
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| truth User ID: 5262615 12/07/2012 07:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | <snip> "Jesse speculates it must be connected to all of the underground bases nearby, implies it has been built with government money and will act as a "command center" when the "Illuminati" starts "WWIII." (He also acts shocked that it is zoned as a "single family home", even though in rural areas, big mansions are built just like this one so owners can avoid city codes). None of this is backed by a shred of reality. I agree the mansion is certainly an anomaly and worth looking into, but so much for sticking to the facts." <snip> Zoning used to be requested and controlled by the property owners in the immediate area, but now, like everything else, since the invasion of the Communist leaders of “Israel“, the old Russian, Communist bloc, it is just another twisted, sick, sick power-grab owned and operated by mentally diseased, corrupted, violent, mindless monsters.- and, yes, I do absolutely love adjectives, as they help to keep the paragraphs short and sweet. Then all I deed for fill-in is a page of links to make the story complete. Thatis what you get when you mix authoring with business writing, after you have studied and trained on both. Many years ago God must have known the computer was coming to Man, and got me ready. + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Remember: The colors of Christmas are RED and GREEN, not white. [link to www.youtube.com] [link to www.youtube.com] [link to www.youtube.com] |
Chip![]() Forum Moderator User ID: 18591269 12/07/2012 07:19 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'll admit there was a little too much cheese on that episode. But it doesn't affect my opinion of Jesse or the show. Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. ~Arthur C. Clarke Don't go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes you nothing. It was here first. ~Mark Twain |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 5248308 12/07/2012 07:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You're from Brazil. Your country is shit. You speak some nonsense language like PORTUGESE -- can't even originate your own language. You have savages occupying the larger part of your country. You people destroy the EARTH'S OXYGEN-GENERATION SYSTEM by cutting down every green thing you see. Your opinion smells like ASS. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 18713240 12/07/2012 07:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm positive that show is run by TPTB. Most of the info on that program has been out in the public for 10- 15 years. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25915094 The only thing they do is obfuscate the real info with their own disinfo and tactical bullshit. When you watch that show, pay attention to the scene flash rate, rapid camera pans, unfocused quick zooms, wiggly camera angles, and abnormal repetitious over embellishment of the subjects discussed. Their violins and bongo drums combined with Jesses wrestling voice come off like shit. They do that shit on purpose to make real research into the subjects come off like fanatical delusions. exactly. Jesse Ventura is a disinfo shill like the loud mouthed fella from Texas |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 29056397 12/07/2012 07:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You're from Brazil. Your country is shit. You speak some nonsense language like PORTUGESE -- can't even originate your own language. You have savages occupying the larger part of your country. You people destroy the EARTH'S OXYGEN-GENERATION SYSTEM by cutting down every green thing you see. Your opinion smells like ASS. Jeez...dont get your panties in a twist |
| Super Bowl Dave (OP) Love women, hate Feminism User ID: 14634326 12/07/2012 07:36 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | exactly. Jesse Ventura is a disinfo shill like the loud mouthed fella from Texas Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18713240 I don't know what he is. It could very well may be that he has to shart out some crap cheese episodes every season according to his contract, as mentioned above (he's got to produce enough gunk to satisfy TPTB, so that he's not taken too seriously -- and in the vein that TPTB/Illuminati believe in the concept of "balance" and revealing truths to the public, so long as they are never quite exposed, like the Lone Gunmen episode that described everything about 9/11 months before it happened -- we know the CIA is known to "drop" storylines into various media). It could be his level of quality control over the content has completely dropped off. Could be he has people around him sabotaging the quality. Whatever the case, none of this takes away from the fact he's produced some incredible episodes exposing stuff that never would have made it to the airwaves ten years ago. Last Edited by Super Bowl Dave on 12/07/2012 07:42 AM |
| Lungshower User ID: 7012052 12/07/2012 07:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The show blows and all presentations are ridiculous. These remind me of the 90's UFO show presentations. Even if there is some truth it will be negated by the awful presentation. None of this matters of course. I don't know if you've scanned the critical thinking of the American populace but it's not real sharp out there. I suspect this is just a plan to ingrain Jesse 'The Body' Ventura (James Janos) into the sheeple's mind as a counter force to the NWO. As I understand it, he allegedly was never influenced by special interests while in office. I also see him taking the Ron Paul mantle. I believe he is setting himself up for a run in '16. If he runs, I expect to him to make waves in the political spectrum with a good possibility of him winning the Presidency. If he wins I suspect things will get 'Hitlerian'. I wrote a thesis on him in College so I have evidence of my prediction when it all goes down. Not to mention Illustrations. Remember, we had a President that starred in 'Bedtime for Bonzos' and he is regarded as a conservative savior. Well, this cat starred in 'Predator', was a Navy S.E.A.L, was an anti-hero in the WWF, was a Governor and publicly resists the NWO. LOOK OUT! |
| truth User ID: 5262615 12/07/2012 07:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | <snip> "Jesse speculates it must be connected to all of the underground bases nearby, implies it has been built with government money and will act as a "command center" when the "Illuminati" starts "WWIII." (He also acts shocked that it is zoned as a "single family home", even though in rural areas, big mansions are built just like this one so owners can avoid city codes). None of this is backed by a shred of reality. I agree the mansion is certainly an anomaly and worth looking into, but so much for sticking to the facts." <snip> Quoting: truth 5262615 Zoning used to be requested and controlled by the property owners in the immediate area, but now, like everything else, since the invasion of the Communist leaders of “Israel“, the old Russian, Communist bloc, it is just another twisted, sick, sick power-grab owned and operated by mentally diseased, corrupted, violent, mindless monsters.- and, yes, I do absolutely love adjectives, as they help to keep the paragraphs short and sweet. Then all I deed for fill-in is a page of links to make the story complete. Thatis what you get when you mix authoring with business writing, after you have studied and trained on both. Many years ago God must have known the computer was coming to Man, and got me ready. + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Remember: The colors of Christmas are RED and GREEN, not white. [link to www.youtube.com] [link to www.youtube.com] [link to www.youtube.com] hereare some very interesting points of interest on the Ozark Land Grab: HAARP A SECRET WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION: [link to www.youtube.com] Land Grab - [link to www.learn-usa.com] And: See H.A.A.R.P Vengeance (on the Ozarks) Against Americans: [link to paminifarm.bravehost.com] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 23382441 12/07/2012 07:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I thought the episode was bullshit as well. Ok so there is this secret underground city being built yet he is able to drive right into , drive around in it for a while, and come out and drive away/escape without ever being stopped? Yea I knew that episode was crap after that. I knew that whatever that underground city footage was, it was a hoax; to me it was obvious. Maybe Jesse is being forced by TPTB to sabotage his show? |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 17865681 12/07/2012 07:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Haha remember the spot when sheriff got out of the car at the mansion to talk to the guy and supposedly locked the doors behind him and the camera miraculously spotted it? Yeah right.. for that to happen there needed to be one camkera facing teh locks all the time iof the sheriff erally locked them out. That's what I call cheap show, for the sheeple. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 29260810 12/07/2012 07:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I thought the episode was bullshit as well. Ok so there is this secret underground city being built yet he is able to drive right into , drive around in it for a while, and come out and drive away/escape without ever being stopped? Yea I knew that episode was crap after that. I knew that whatever that underground city footage was, it was a hoax; to me it was obvious. Maybe Jesse is being forced by TPTB to sabotage his show? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23382441 Maybe they dont care that you know now that place, because you wont be able to survive anyway |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 2036660 12/07/2012 07:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just so u know, Jesse HAS to make stupid goofy episodes on purpose. Its In His contract. He also didn't wanna do the reptilian one either.He admitted all this in an interview. He's still awesome!! Quoting: TheTruthNeverLies Exactly... It's purpose to make show a bit dramatic. Sounds, camera pans, flashing, that's normal guys, nothing about mind programming shit. Show has to be dramatic so lower IQ consumers could better digest it. It's more entertaining to them that way. He is opening eyes to masses. I would say good job, even if it doesn't look that way. |
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| Super Bowl Dave (OP) Love women, hate Feminism User ID: 14634326 12/07/2012 07:59 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Haha remember the spot when sheriff got out of the car at the mansion to talk to the guy and supposedly locked the doors behind him and the camera miraculously spotted it? Yeah right.. for that to happen there needed to be one camkera facing teh locks all the time iof the sheriff erally locked them out. That's what I call cheap show, for the sheeple. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17865681 Noticed the same thing. The whole thing was edited in such a way to make the sheriff look like a spook of sorts, but he seemed perfectly nice to me. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 18713240 12/07/2012 08:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Season 3 has been really lame. First when he baited David dIcke, that whole episode was a hit on him. Terrible season so far. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24473407 That's when I knew has a disinfo shill. His "interview" was exactly what the MSM does to so-called "conspiracy theorists" - lost any respect I ever had for Jesse - exposed himself for the shill he is. Probably works for the same handlers as the Texas bullhorn guy |
| CtYankee User ID: 10645599 12/07/2012 08:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Lest we forget....seems Jesse has little to do with the editing.......much twisting takes place there, Can make it all look good or like crap....who really makes the final cut? That is who is in control CtYankee "If at first you don't succeed, erase all evidence that you tried." -anonymous -Spouting a fountain of nonsense since 1972- Never met anyone important enough to lie to..... |
| Super Bowl Dave (OP) Love women, hate Feminism User ID: 14634326 12/07/2012 08:31 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Lest we forget....seems Jesse has little to do with the editing.......much twisting takes place there, Can make it all look good or like crap....who really makes the final cut? That is who is in control I'm thinking that, too. He's said he's not happy with how they produce it. I'm watching the "Skinwalker" episode, a subject I'm intimately familiar with, and it's got a lot of good information -- but how it is edited and the crap the narrator says completely discredit it. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 24522527 12/07/2012 08:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Don't get me wrong, I love Jesse Ventura, but his Season 3 "Conspiracy Theory" episode titled "Ozarks" is so full of mischaracterizations and hooey I can't help but conclude it must have been intentional: Quoting: Super Bowl Dave 1) The episode spends an inordinate amount of time speculating over Pensmore Castle, or Overwatch Manor, located outside of Branson, Missouri. It is a 72,000 sq ft home being built by billionaire, defense contractor and former spook Steven Huff [link to www.pensmore.com] While it is built like a fortress and heavily fortified, it's no secret; it's been heavily covered by the MSM. The show gives the impression they are reporting on it for the first time and that it is somehow cloaked in secrecy, yet they show close-up archive footage of it throughout the episode shot from various MSM interviews with Huff (for something so supposedly secret, I kept thinking, "Where did they get all this close up footage?"). Jesse speculates it must be connected to all of the underground bases nearby, implies it has been built with government money and will act as a "command center" when the "Illuminati" starts "WWIII." (He also acts shocked that it is zoned as a "single family home", even though in rural areas, big mansions are built just like this one so owners can avoid city codes). None of this is backed by a shred of reality. I agree the mansion is certainly an anomaly and worth looking into, it may well be that Huff is prepping because he knows the shit is about to hit the fan, but the wild speculation from Jesse and his team serves only to distort and confuse, rather than inform. 2) Sean Stone (who acts like a complete nitwit during the episode) later visits with the "white rabbit" (he requests to have his face blurred out), a local with knowledge of Ozark caves, presumably connected to this rather interesting web site about old buildings and historical relics in the area: [link to www.undergroundozarks.com] The "rabbit" takes him to a few nearby caves, and while in them, Sean says he "hears" something and you can hear some people talking in the background. I got the feeling they added this audio to the soundtrack. Sean acts all spooked and ridiculous and runs out of the cave (instead of investigating it), but never brings it up to Jesse and the team and it's never mentioned again. To me it looked staged, and gave new meaning to TruTV's admonition that "Conspiracy Theory" is an "entertainment show". 3) The "white rabbit" then takes Jesse and the team to what is implied to be a nearby super-sized underground installation (the episode is based in Ozark, Mo.). They eventually make their way to an impressive facility built into the side of a mountain. Then they drive right into it! It's huge, a vast underground network of roadways and loading bays. It's very impressive and at first I was pretty shocked and spooked. They then drive out and Jesse says, "Oh my god, look at the railroad tracks right nearby! And the parking lot full of government vehicles!" The impression given is that this is located in the Ozarks and it's some kind of secret facility, one of many the government is building there. Well, it's patently false and a total mischaracterization of the location and type of facility. What Jesse didn't tell you is that this facility is located SIX HOURS AWAY from Ozark, Missouri -- in Kansas City! He didn't tell you that this "base" is an old limestone mine converted into a storage facility (there are a few of these in the state of Missouri, including one in Carthage and another in Kansas City). It is public. Anyone can go there. In fact, you can rent space in it. It's run by Hunt Midland and known as "Subtropolis." They even have a promotional video on their web site: [link to www.huntmidwest.com] Check out the end of the episode in this clip showing all of the above: This season is off-the-rails and Jesse is threatening his own *cough* reputation with crap like this. It's a shame, because some of the episodes in previous seasons were awesome and actually revealed new information (particularly one of the 9/11 episodes, if I recall, and another that TruTV censored). Jesse threatened his own reputation when he interviewed that super hero DUD with the bionic wire that runs through his arm and his veteran friend, the "how astute of you" guy in the wheel chair, in the white van. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 29238855 12/07/2012 08:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Season 3 has been really lame. First when he baited David dIcke, that whole episode was a hit on him. Terrible season so far. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24473407 That's when I knew has a disinfo shill. His "interview" was exactly what the MSM does to so-called "conspiracy theorists" - lost any respect I ever had for Jesse - exposed himself for the shill he is. Probably works for the same handlers as the Texas bullhorn guy Alex is a lot of things but disinfo agent ain't one of them. He has no handlers idiot! |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 24522527 12/07/2012 08:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Don't get me wrong, I love Jesse Ventura, but his Season 3 "Conspiracy Theory" episode titled "Ozarks" is so full of mischaracterizations and hooey I can't help but conclude it must have been intentional: Quoting: Super Bowl Dave 1) The episode spends an inordinate amount of time speculating over Pensmore Castle, or Overwatch Manor, located outside of Branson, Missouri. It is a 72,000 sq ft home being built by billionaire, defense contractor and former spook Steven Huff [link to www.pensmore.com] While it is built like a fortress and heavily fortified, it's no secret; it's been heavily covered by the MSM. The show gives the impression they are reporting on it for the first time and that it is somehow cloaked in secrecy, yet they show close-up archive footage of it throughout the episode shot from various MSM interviews with Huff (for something so supposedly secret, I kept thinking, "Where did they get all this close up footage?"). Jesse speculates it must be connected to all of the underground bases nearby, implies it has been built with government money and will act as a "command center" when the "Illuminati" starts "WWIII." (He also acts shocked that it is zoned as a "single family home", even though in rural areas, big mansions are built just like this one so owners can avoid city codes). None of this is backed by a shred of reality. I agree the mansion is certainly an anomaly and worth looking into, it may well be that Huff is prepping because he knows the shit is about to hit the fan, but the wild speculation from Jesse and his team serves only to distort and confuse, rather than inform. 2) Sean Stone (who acts like a complete nitwit during the episode) later visits with the "white rabbit" (he requests to have his face blurred out), a local with knowledge of Ozark caves, presumably connected to this rather interesting web site about old buildings and historical relics in the area: [link to www.undergroundozarks.com] The "rabbit" takes him to a few nearby caves, and while in them, Sean says he "hears" something and you can hear some people talking in the background. I got the feeling they added this audio to the soundtrack. Sean acts all spooked and ridiculous and runs out of the cave (instead of investigating it), but never brings it up to Jesse and the team and it's never mentioned again. To me it looked staged, and gave new meaning to TruTV's admonition that "Conspiracy Theory" is an "entertainment show". 3) The "white rabbit" then takes Jesse and the team to what is implied to be a nearby super-sized underground installation (the episode is based in Ozark, Mo.). They eventually make their way to an impressive facility built into the side of a mountain. Then they drive right into it! It's huge, a vast underground network of roadways and loading bays. It's very impressive and at first I was pretty shocked and spooked. They then drive out and Jesse says, "Oh my god, look at the railroad tracks right nearby! And the parking lot full of government vehicles!" The impression given is that this is located in the Ozarks and it's some kind of secret facility, one of many the government is building there. Well, it's patently false and a total mischaracterization of the location and type of facility. What Jesse didn't tell you is that this facility is located SIX HOURS AWAY from Ozark, Missouri -- in Kansas City! He didn't tell you that this "base" is an old limestone mine converted into a storage facility (there are a few of these in the state of Missouri, including one in Carthage and another in Kansas City). It is public. Anyone can go there. In fact, you can rent space in it. It's run by Hunt Midland and known as "Subtropolis." They even have a promotional video on their web site: [link to www.huntmidwest.com] Check out the end of the episode in this clip showing all of the above: This season is off-the-rails and Jesse is threatening his own *cough* reputation with crap like this. It's a shame, because some of the episodes in previous seasons were awesome and actually revealed new information (particularly one of the 9/11 episodes, if I recall, and another that TruTV censored). Jesse threatened his own reputation when he interviewed that super hero DUD with the bionic wire that runs through his arm and his veteran friend, the "how astute of you" guy in the wheel chair, in the white van. ahh..just remembered his name. Duncan O'Feminin. |