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I believe that taxes on the rich need to happen. I am realistic in that it will not cure all evils, like the Dems believe. I realize that the mental block that is happening cannot be fixed. The Dems and raising taxes on the rich is like a skip in a record, it will not stop repeating the same thing until you nudge the needle.

As for Rand Paul, I have no opinion on him. He is early in his career and so far people are not impressed is the general feeling feeling I get.
 Quoting: Corn Dog


The tax on the rich, is not really a tax on the rich at all. Even if they raised the tax rate for all of those earning $200,000 ($250,000 for couple) a year, it will only pay for a total of four days of government spending.

The other problem that Obama is refusing to inform the public is that those making the higher tax bracket are the very ones creating jobs or trying to create jobs. Taking them more is only taking more jobs away. This in turn lowers tax revenue, because there are fewer people earning a living and requiring more government money that doesn't exist. This then requires more taxes on everyone, to continue paying for the jobs that Obama's taxes are losing.
 Quoting: 071676
I realize that but 50%+ of America does not. They are not going to move on. They believe that the rich will accept higher taxes and everything will be sunny and okay after that. The rich are going to relocate and the hard working middle class will be burdened. I know that the revenue from increasing taxes on the rich is not going to solve shit but some can't get past that. BTW- I am not even clear on the definition of the middle class anymore. What is middle class? When was the last time it was defined?

*** my husband went for a job at UPS yesterday. They are not hiring full-time workers anymore. If tax increases pass then we will be seeing full time becomes part time and people will be working 2 plus jobs to survive. This then will become the new norm.
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We need equal tax BURDEN. Get it? It's not the amount that matters, but the burden it places on our lives.

When paying your taxes threatens your ability to keep a roof over your head, or have transportation, or food, or education for your children, and not worrying that one illness will bankrupt you and destroy your life - that's more burden than when someone else can't afford the summer homes, etc.

No matter if the tax rate is 35, 39 or even 50 percent, the people who make enough to be placed in that category will NEVER feel the burden that someone making 40k a year does.
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SEN. RAND PAUL: I have yet another thought on how we can fix this. Why don't we let the Democrats pass whatever they want? If they are the party of higher taxes, all the Republicans vote present and let the Democrats raise taxes as high as they want to raise them, let Democrats in the Senate raise taxes, let the president sign it and then make them own the tax increase. And when the economy stalls, when the economy sputters, when people lose their jobs, they know which party to blame, the party of high taxes. Let's don't be the party of just almost as high taxes.

(video at link)
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message to Rand paul....fuck you, grow a pair like your old man and fucking stand up for what you believe in, you fucking coward
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BTW- I am not even clear on the definition of the middle class anymore. What is middle class? When was the last time it was defined?

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Democrats don't define terms. Definitions are limiting.

You're just supposed to feel what the word means. Like "hope and change", it's an empty template in which you pour your own comfy definitions as circumstances dictate.
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I wondered when the White House bottom dwellers were going to arrive. Took longer than I thought.
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Its cool man, I get it, you aren't intelligent enough to think for yourself. One day, when you grow up, and see this is all a farce, maybe you'll remember the day you disagreed with Rs and Ds being different sides of the same coin.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21054665


I do remember the days when Republicans and Democrats existed. They still do. Only those that would rather bury their heads in some slime pool rather than accepting the fact that they are the root of the problem. Those that truly believe that it makes no difference are those that are so self centered, self rightous, so demented, that they actually believe themselves to be correct simply because it takes too much effort to actually think on their own instead of allowing others to think for them.

I have been on this earth sixty years, and I have seen a lot. But never have I seen such a piss poor collection of dim-wits and assholes as I do now. Everyone wants to point a finger at someone, but no one wants to look at why or whom they are pointing. It requires too much thinking and people today don't have time to think because they are too busy texting on their phones, catching up with each other on facefraud and twitterless, they have have forgotten how to have a life.

How about this for a change. Grow up and get a life!
 Quoting: 071676


Seems to me you are the one doing the finger pointing.

I instead of blaming others for any misfortune that comes to me, I look at the path that I took that brought the misfortune to me.

Simple example, my car got hit while parked, the person did not leave a note. Am I mad at them, nope, I parked it there (in a parking spot, with a meter, enough distance between the car behind me and the one in front), so in the end that is my fault.

You know how you and others or your ilk would have looked at it? Some welfare person, without a job, hit my car, probably didn't have insurance, nor a liscence, so the bum didn't leave a note.

Like I said, when you grow up, maybe you'll start to see things for what they are.
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I do see very very well. I also see a whole lot of assholes that think that they have a right to destroy what they can't understand. I was there when the by-word was "can't we just get along", and laughted when it all came crashing down on their ears.

You want to get along, but only if it suits your idea of what it should be. Lets go back to your anology. Your car got hit, but since you left it there, properly placed and in an area that should have provided some measure of protection, you don't get mad, because after all, you put it there. So, you don't get mad, don't do anything. Next day someone else's car gets hit, and the day after, all because no one thought that it should be worth making a fuss about, because after all, you all put the car there. Then it turns out that there is some nut going around telling everyone that he should have a right to smash your cars because he can only afford his piece of crap for a vehicle. He continues to smash cars because, after all you have the nice car you bought and paid for with your own hard earned money and he really does have a piece of shit for a car, so it is betteer to let him smash all the good cars so that his won't look so fucking bad.
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Huge Mistake.




The Press will never let anything be Obama's Fault.


Ever. Have you all not been paying attention?

Republicans must give Obama what he wants if they want him to own it.

If taxes go up because the GOP fights, the press will turn it on them.

Obama can't lose unless you give him everything he wants and let the country crumble around him.


You must tow the line on this one.


Obama owns the Press, or did you not see Rachael Madcow and others at the whitehouse getting pats on the back for helping re-elect the president?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1284404


This again.
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so what do we do
write our reps and tell them to vote "Present" on all financial votes so the dems will "own it"?

I just want to get back to normal, if thats even possible.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29266466
LOL! Pull an Obama & vote present... learn from the master..

What is normal? What we think is normal will never be again. We are to far out to turn back. The new normal needs to be defined and I believe we are currently in the stage of writing the definition.
 Quoting: Corn Dog


The definition was written 2.2 centuries ago. We just need to re-implement it:
[link to www.archives.gov]
 Quoting: Carshy McCarsh

Wouldn't that be wonderful but I doubt it will happen. Something severe would have to happen in order for us to get back to where we were. Sorry but people are focused on what will I gain, what is in it for me & I am owed. People or a majority of them do not understand the beauty of our constitution. I am a firm believer of the Constitution but I also look at my fellow Americans with eyes wide open. I had a small debate with someone they believe that an American Revolution 2 would never happen, please note this person is very liberal and doesn't realize the anger that is happening in this country. I don't believe that a revolution will come from the patriots, I believe it will come fromthe entitlement crowd when their benefits start to diminish. I believe that the real patriot will go to ground.
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THE guy needs to lose the whole partisan stance; since he is not, he is a compelte failure who abbandoned what could have a fantastic career; he could of captured the entire Ron Paul initiative.. a presidential player for 2016.

Instead; he a controlled opposition drone with nothin'.... even the elite could have made him more useful by staying independent.

They are not a smart as they used to be.

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Its cool man, I get it, you aren't intelligent enough to think for yourself. One day, when you grow up, and see this is all a farce, maybe you'll remember the day you disagreed with Rs and Ds being different sides of the same coin.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21054665


I do remember the days when Republicans and Democrats existed. They still do. Only those that would rather bury their heads in some slime pool rather than accepting the fact that they are the root of the problem. Those that truly believe that it makes no difference are those that are so self centered, self rightous, so demented, that they actually believe themselves to be correct simply because it takes too much effort to actually think on their own instead of allowing others to think for them.

I have been on this earth sixty years, and I have seen a lot. But never have I seen such a piss poor collection of dim-wits and assholes as I do now. Everyone wants to point a finger at someone, but no one wants to look at why or whom they are pointing. It requires too much thinking and people today don't have time to think because they are too busy texting on their phones, catching up with each other on facefraud and twitterless, they have have forgotten how to have a life.

How about this for a change. Grow up and get a life!
 Quoting: 071676


Seems to me you are the one doing the finger pointing.

I instead of blaming others for any misfortune that comes to me, I look at the path that I took that brought the misfortune to me.

Simple example, my car got hit while parked, the person did not leave a note. Am I mad at them, nope, I parked it there (in a parking spot, with a meter, enough distance between the car behind me and the one in front), so in the end that is my fault.

You know how you and others or your ilk would have looked at it? Some welfare person, without a job, hit my car, probably didn't have insurance, nor a liscence, so the bum didn't leave a note.

Like I said, when you grow up, maybe you'll start to see things for what they are.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21054665


I do see very very well. I also see a whole lot of assholes that think that they have a right to destroy what they can't understand. I was there when the by-word was "can't we just get along", and laughted when it all came crashing down on their ears.

You want to get along, but only if it suits your idea of what it should be. Lets go back to your anology. Your car got hit, but since you left it there, properly placed and in an area that should have provided some measure of protection, you don't get mad, because after all, you put it there. So, you don't get mad, don't do anything. Next day someone else's car gets hit, and the day after, all because no one thought that it should be worth making a fuss about, because after all, you all put the car there. Then it turns out that there is some nut going around telling everyone that he should have a right to smash your cars because he can only afford his piece of crap for a vehicle. He continues to smash cars because, after all you have the nice car you bought and paid for with your own hard earned money and he really does have a piece of shit for a car, so it is betteer to let him smash all the good cars so that his won't look so fucking bad.
 Quoting: 071676


I would say we should lock that person up, and since he was found, I'd like him to give me the money for my deductable.

You make a very interesting statement (bolded). I think that is the major problem on all sides of any debate. Instead of trying to understand, the "civilation" that has been taken all over the world, has brought us a destroy first mentality.
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Huge Mistake.




The Press will never let anything be Obama's Fault.


Ever. Have you all not been paying attention?

Republicans must give Obama what he wants if they want him to own it.

If taxes go up because the GOP fights, the press will turn it on them.

Obama can't lose unless you give him everything he wants and let the country crumble around him.


You must tow the line on this one.


Obama owns the Press, or did you not see Rachael Madcow and others at the whitehouse getting pats on the back for helping re-elect the president?
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This again.
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Definitely.
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Okay, need the rest of the nation to get on board with this fact: Rand Paul is the 2016 Bilderberg selectee for the GOP candidate. Got it?

He's crooked as a three dollar bill. He expects to snowball his father's supporters as his own. He's in for a surprise.
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Nailed it.

Everybody needs to keep this in mind. The Republicans will do and say ANYTHING to derail anything the Democrats do, EVEN IF THEY AGREE WITH IT.

I for one am sick of this crap. I wanna be King.

(not really, but it sounded good for a minute).

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so what do we do
write our reps and tell them to vote "Present" on all financial votes so the dems will "own it"?

I just want to get back to normal, if thats even possible.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29266466
LOL! Pull an Obama & vote present... learn from the master..

What is normal? What we think is normal will never be again. We are to far out to turn back. The new normal needs to be defined and I believe we are currently in the stage of writing the definition.
 Quoting: Corn Dog


The definition was written 2.2 centuries ago. We just need to re-implement it:
[link to www.archives.gov]
 Quoting: Carshy McCarsh

Wouldn't that be wonderful but I doubt it will happen. Something severe would have to happen in order for us to get back to where we were. Sorry but people are focused on what will I gain, what is in it for me & I am owed. People or a majority of them do not understand the beauty of our constitution. I am a firm believer of the Constitution but I also look at my fellow Americans with eyes wide open. I had a small debate with someone they believe that an American Revolution 2 would never happen, please note this person is very liberal and doesn't realize the anger that is happening in this country. I don't believe that a revolution will come from the patriots, I believe it will come fromthe entitlement crowd when their benefits start to diminish. I believe that the real patriot will go to ground.
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I could very easily agree.
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This is one of those Right vs. Left games that drive me crazy. And I can't believe that some actually rally behind the idiots that continue to promulgate this false dichotomy.

When one side says to let the other side raise taxes so that the people will take notice the net result is still taxes that are raised!

Don't trust politicians who are willing to play the game for a future "gotchya!"

I have no doubt that taxes are going up. But I am even more sure that spending will go up more than the taxes collected. The end result will be fewer employed and more of the rich that can afford to leaving the USA.

Is this what you really want? Well, I guess if we are going down I suppose the faster the better. And this administration is hell bent on getting us there on the A train.
"It is no measure of mental health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society."
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This is one of those Right vs. Left games that drive me crazy. And I can't believe that some actually rally behind the idiots that continue to promulgate this false dichotomy.

When one side says to let the other side raise taxes so that the people will take notice the net result is still taxes that are raised!

Don't trust politicians who are willing to play the game for a future "gotchya!"

I have no doubt that taxes are going up. But I am even more sure that spending will go up more than the taxes collected. The end result will be fewer employed and more of the rich that can afford to leaving the USA.

Is this what you really want? Well, I guess if we are going down I suppose the faster the better. And this administration is hell bent on getting us there on the A train.
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"Yes" to all of that.
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confront Rand Paul on endorsing a Goldman Sachs flip flopping war mongering Bilderberg puppet.
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The apple has fallen far from the tree hasn't it?
"It is no measure of mental health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society."
“It is not reasonable to assume that manipulation of the immune system through an increasing number of vaccinations during critical periods of brain development will not result in adverse neurodevelopmental outcomes.”
'Austerity' is the term and policy used to impose collective punishment on the many for the outrageous banking crimes of a few.
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SEN. RAND PAUL: I have yet another thought on how we can fix this. Why don't we let the Democrats pass whatever they want? If they are the party of higher taxes, all the Republicans vote present and let the Democrats raise taxes as high as they want to raise them, let Democrats in the Senate raise taxes, let the president sign it and then make them own the tax increase. And when the economy stalls, when the economy sputters, when people lose their jobs, they know which party to blame, the party of high taxes. Let's don't be the party of just almost as high taxes.

(video at link)
 Quoting: Carshy McCarsh


I'm not a big fan of Rand like I am of Ron, but in this case he is actually correct. If you are going to lose any way why look like you had a choice in the matter, so you can be blamed no matter what? Might as well sit this one out. Pat Buchanan has a good column on this posted this morning.
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yeah! the rich should pay lower tax rates than me! for fuck's sake they NEED that second home in Aspen and the beach house in Malibu! yay rich people! screw the midlle class, together we can destroy them once and for all!
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the only thing holding your currency together is circulation. when the rich are taxed more they spend less of their money. Raising taxes isn't the answer.. less taxes = more spending =the circulation of money.

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I believe that taxes on the rich need to happen. I am realistic in that it will not cure all evils, like the Dems believe. I realize that the mental block that is happening cannot be fixed. The Dems and raising taxes on the rich is like a skip in a record, it will not stop repeating the same thing until you nudge the needle.

As for Rand Paul, I have no opinion on him. He is early in his career and so far people are not impressed is the general feeling feeling I get.
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taxes on the rich:
are not nearly enough
and the rich can get pissed and move

The govt is too big for its britches - it absolutely must stop spending and get rid of several agencies - like IRS, HUD, Education, CIA, Endowment for the ARts, Homeland Security, DEA and all the new positions Oblabla created - just for starters
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Don't forget TSA!
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Okay, need the rest of the nation to get on board with this fact: Rand Paul is the 2016 Bilderberg selectee for the GOP candidate. Got it?

He's crooked as a three dollar bill. He expects to snowball his father's supporters as his own. He's in for a surprise.
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Politicians disagree for the hell of it.

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The Three Days of Darkness will remove all the thugs, then we get to start from scratch.
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SEN. RAND PAUL: I have yet another thought on how we can fix this. Why don't we let the Democrats pass whatever they want? If they are the party of higher taxes, all the Republicans vote present and let the Democrats raise taxes as high as they want to raise them, let Democrats in the Senate raise taxes, let the president sign it and then make them own the tax increase. And when the economy stalls, when the economy sputters, when people lose their jobs, they know which party to blame, the party of high taxes. Let's don't be the party of just almost as high taxes.

(video at link)
 Quoting: Carshy McCarsh


message to Rand paul....fuck you, grow a pair like your old man and fucking stand up for what you believe in, you fucking coward
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1rof1

Well, what we do know what are his priorities:

HIMSELF. FIRST-ABOVE ALL; Just like all the rest; non representation.

So, Dont think I'd call him a coward; but I would call him "nothing".

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This is one of those Right vs. Left games that drive me crazy. And I can't believe that some actually rally behind the idiots that continue to promulgate this false dichotomy.
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Today is Pearl Harbor Day. Let us not forget. Rosie the Riveter came from WWII, all stepped up for their country. Would that happen now?
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confront Rand Paul on endorsing a Goldman Sachs flip flopping war mongering Bilderberg puppet.
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good job. the endorsement ended his claim to the initiative, and any claims to a legitimate presidential run.
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His son rocks too.
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Nope. No he don't. He's one of THEM.
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yeah! the rich should pay lower tax rates than me! for fuck's sake they NEED that second home in Aspen and the beach house in Malibu! yay rich people! screw the midlle class, together we can destroy them once and for all!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27515407


This is the problem in america, people don't know the truth only what obama tells them.

They don't pay a lower tax rate. the tax rate is set and easily varified. what the rich do and what you can do when you do your taxes, they itimize thier deductions and find every way possible to give the government less of thier money.