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Rand Paul: We Should Let Dems Raise Taxes And Then Let Them Own It

 
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one of the biggest problems is that the ptb never define how much of your money should be yours to keep.
The reason for this omission is because the effective tax rate is over 100% already and the fuss about the debt is only to reinforce that in your mind as something that's yours.
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Yes. Newsflash ---- the economy is stalled and sputtering with job losses; has been for the last four years with the same bush era tax cuts.

What's new? Nothing..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6886674


lolatu

The "Bush Tax Cuts" have been the standard tax rate for 11 YEARS.

The last 4 years of economic suicide is 100% due to the Democrat Half Kenyan God Of Class Warfare and his policies, enabled by the evil retards who voted for him.
 Quoting: Carshy McCarsh


Continuation dittohead...whatever. Obviously "some" see it that way and some don't. I guess it depends on your "class status". Personally everyone i know is gain...fully employed and buying. So with that perspective it can ride either way bitches...lol.

Some talk a big game about owning yourself and everything you do...others fuckin do it. Cry another river.
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one of the biggest problems is that the ptb never define how much of your money should be yours to keep.
The reason for this omission is because the effective tax rate is over 100% already and the fuss about the debt is only to reinforce that in your mind as something that's yours.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1310640


just so you understand the above, after you pay what you think is your duty, there is still the matter of your portion of the official national debt which is more than you actually are worth, and that's only for the official debt, not the actual debt when IOU's in your name arent counted as real money.
The official rate, plus your part of the debt either way you count it, is over 100% for all but a few
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yeah! the rich should pay lower tax rates than me! for fuck's sake they NEED that second home in Aspen and the beach house in Malibu! yay rich people! screw the midlle class, together we can destroy them once and for all!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27515407


How fucking stupid are you? Do you really consider someone that makes over $250,000 rich? Do you really thinking someone making $250,000 owns a home in Aspen and Malibu. Why are liberals so stupid?
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Two telling points for a truth Ron Paul following:

1. Independent monetary system

2. a foreign policy that includes bringing our troops home, and letting countries settle there own disputes

that is the litmus test, the rest is window dressing

Rand fails both miserably
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yeah! the rich should pay lower tax rates than me! for fuck's sake they NEED that second home in Aspen and the beach house in Malibu! yay rich people! screw the midlle class, together we can destroy them once and for all!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27515407


How fucking stupid are you? Do you really consider someone that makes over $250,000 rich? Do you really thinking someone making $250,000 owns a home in Aspen and Malibu. Why are liberals so stupid?
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Because that is what obama tells them to think.
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one of the biggest problems is that the ptb never define how much of your money should be yours to keep.
The reason for this omission is because the effective tax rate is over 100% already and the fuss about the debt is only to reinforce that in your mind as something that's yours.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1310640


just so you understand the above, after you pay what you think is your duty, there is still the matter of your portion of the official national debt which is more than you actually are worth, and that's only for the official debt, not the actual debt when IOU's in your name arent counted as real money.
The official rate, plus your part of the debt either way you count it, is over 100% for all but a few
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1310640


and, if you dont think someone will come around asking for your share of the debt, why are they keeping a list, after all it's not coming out of their benefits package?
In point of fact, your debt is behind ever new tax bill and tax increase, and you can see it's not enough, and eventually someone will be knocking on your door.
They MUST pass the millionaire tax rate, so that once the inevitable inflation takes of and makes everyone a millionaire, your on that hook as well, but of course, that wont keep up with the interest, and on it goes, until your fed the hose...
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[link to www.realclearpolitics.com]

SEN. RAND PAUL: I have yet another thought on how we can fix this. Why don't we let the Democrats pass whatever they want? If they are the party of higher taxes, all the Republicans vote present and let the Democrats raise taxes as high as they want to raise them, let Democrats in the Senate raise taxes, let the president sign it and then make them own the tax increase. And when the economy stalls, when the economy sputters, when people lose their jobs, they know which party to blame, the party of high taxes. Let's don't be the party of just almost as high taxes.

(video at link)
 Quoting: Carshy McCarsh


BULLSHIT!

How about Republicans quit being RINO and stand for something. NO NEW TAXES.

NO MORE DEBT.

QUIT SPENDING $3 TRILLION DOLLARS A YEAR.

WHEN I WAS A BOY, THE US FEDERAL ANNUAL BUDGET WAS $109 BILLION A YEAR.

Now it is $3 Trillion a year.

That's a 30 TIMES THE BUDGET of 1962.

Since 1962, how many of you have had a 30-times increase in your annual salary? ZERO of you, I'll bet.

[link to www.usfederalbudget.us]

Here's another way to understand the absolute travesty of current federal spending: The entire US annual Federal Budget in 1962 is equal to 2 weeks of US annual Federal Budget in 2012.

Simply: The US spends more in 2 weeks in 2012 than it did in the ENTIRE YEAR in 1962.

LARGESS!!!

And Harry Reid wants to give Obama the keys to kingdom's treasury... ARE YOU NUTS!!!!!
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Two telling points for a truth Ron Paul following:

1. Independent monetary system

2. a foreign policy that includes bringing our troops home, and letting countries settle there own disputes

that is the litmus test, the rest is window dressing

Rand fails both miserably
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28918613


Yes.

#2 alone would shore up the cliff but i guess it's to simple to contemplate caring for ourselves and our own for awhile.
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we are very alike, although I have allegiance only to one country and one culture, the one within which I live.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1310640


So do I.
However, I recognize cultural allies and civilization vs. eternal enemies and savagery.
Tell me what this tastes like...
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one of the biggest problems is that the ptb never define how much of your money should be yours to keep.
The reason for this omission is because the effective tax rate is over 100% already and the fuss about the debt is only to reinforce that in your mind as something that's yours.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1310640


That is indeed a question we keep asking.
How much of my income is enough?
They never say.
Like I pointed out earlier, the Left doesn't like to actually define terms. They find it too limiting.
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[link to www.realclearpolitics.com]

SEN. RAND PAUL: I have yet another thought on how we can fix this. Why don't we let the Democrats pass whatever they want? If they are the party of higher taxes, all the Republicans vote present and let the Democrats raise taxes as high as they want to raise them, let Democrats in the Senate raise taxes, let the president sign it and then make them own the tax increase. And when the economy stalls, when the economy sputters, when people lose their jobs, they know which party to blame, the party of high taxes. Let's don't be the party of just almost as high taxes.

(video at link)
 Quoting: Carshy McCarsh


BULLSHIT!

How about Republicans quit being RINO and stand for something. NO NEW TAXES.

NO MORE DEBT.

QUIT SPENDING $3 TRILLION DOLLARS A YEAR.

WHEN I WAS A BOY, THE US FEDERAL ANNUAL BUDGET WAS $109 BILLION A YEAR.

Now it is $3 Trillion a year.

That's a 30 TIMES THE BUDGET of 1962.

Since 1962, how many of you have had a 30-times increase in your annual salary? ZERO of you, I'll bet.

[link to www.usfederalbudget.us]

Here's another way to understand the absolute travesty of current federal spending: The entire US annual Federal Budget in 1962 is equal to 2 weeks of US annual Federal Budget in 2012.

Simply: The US spends more in 2 weeks in 2012 than it did in the ENTIRE YEAR in 1962.

LARGESS!!!

And Harry Reid wants to give Obama the keys to kingdom's treasury... ARE YOU NUTS!!!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5248308


clappa
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yeah! the rich should pay lower tax rates than me! for fuck's sake they NEED that second home in Aspen and the beach house in Malibu! yay rich people! screw the midlle class, together we can destroy them once and for all!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27515407


This is the problem in america, people don't know the truth only what obama tells them.

They don't pay a lower tax rate. the tax rate is set and easily varified. what the rich do and what you can do when you do your taxes, they itimize thier deductions and find every way possible to give the government less of thier money.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22478672




Additionally, many seem to be unaware of the fact that the "lower" tax rates are for INTEREST paid on investments. They could have taken their money and bought something, but instead they put it into the Stock Market which then provided money for other businesses to grow. These guys already paid a tax ONCE on their EARNINGS, then they invested what was left. So they are actually being DOUBLE-TAXED. If one were to add together BOTH taxes, it would be MANY times more than the average schmoe pays.

But, they just don't seem to get it. The PTB know and understand this, and whip up the envy and jealousy of the "common" people against the "rich" in order to further their own ends.
"I have come to the conclusion that all news should be treated like 9/11, assume it is a psyop with actors participating in a staged event complete with props, until proven otherwise, in which case assume whatever is being recorded, reported, televised, is distortions/lying by omission/outright lies, until proven otherwise." - Anonymous, 4-13-12
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Hmmm.
OK, Let's just let them go ahead and cut off your legs! Then we can point our fingers at them and say "See! THEY did it, not us! We're good! They are baaaad!"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24506490


Well put. It would be dereliction of duty. Letting the nation fall apart and people suffering all just to make a point is beyond foolish.
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This coming from the guy who put all his eggs in the Mitt Romney basket lol he has about as much credibility as he gave those bilderberg crazies that he denounced enjoy your enslavement Rand you sell out
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yeah! the rich should pay lower tax rates than me! for fuck's sake they NEED that second home in Aspen and the beach house in Malibu! yay rich people! screw the midlle class, together we can destroy them once and for all!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27515407


This is the problem in america, people don't know the truth only what obama tells them.

They don't pay a lower tax rate. the tax rate is set and easily varified. what the rich do and what you can do when you do your taxes, they itimize thier deductions and find every way possible to give the government less of thier money.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22478672




Additionally, many seem to be unaware of the fact that the "lower" tax rates are for INTEREST paid on investments. They could have taken their money and bought something, but instead they put it into the Stock Market which then provided money for other businesses to grow. These guys already paid a tax ONCE on their EARNINGS, then they invested what was left. So they are actually being DOUBLE-TAXED. If one were to add together BOTH taxes, it would be MANY times more than the average schmoe pays.

But, they just don't seem to get it. The PTB know and understand this, and whip up the envy and jealousy of the "common" people against the "rich" in order to further their own ends.
 Quoting: Eggcellent


If you're addressing this to the doorknob AC, you might as well try teaching physics to a bowl of soup.
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This coming from the guy who put all his eggs in the Mitt Romney basket lol he has about as much credibility as he gave those bilderberg crazies that he denounced enjoy your enslavement Rand you sell out
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15861416


He had a valid strategic plan.

How's that royal pregnancy going, government critic?

1rof1
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Hmmm.
OK, Let's just let them go ahead and cut off your legs! Then we can point our fingers at them and say "See! THEY did it, not us! We're good! They are baaaad!"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24506490


Well put. It would be dereliction of duty. Letting the nation fall apart and people suffering all just to make a point is beyond foolish.
 Quoting: EarthPassenger


You don't understand.

America has chosen rulers whose policies guarantee falling apart. We deserve it. It's the only way to purge a large portion of the gene pool (who have really earned it) without going house to house with machetes.
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we are very alike, although I have allegiance only to one country and one culture, the one within which I live.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1310640


So do I.
However, I recognize cultural allies and civilization vs. eternal enemies and savagery.
 Quoting: Carshy McCarsh


And I dont think allies attempt to sink american ships in international waters for 2 hours, OR loot their allies treasuries and sell their friends secrets and technology to the chinese, but otherwise we are pretty much two peas
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Why do people think that by giving the government more of our money, NOW they will be responsible with it. More money for the government means more money they can and will spend.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22478672

I never said it was a good thing. I agree with you that they will irresponsibly spend it, it will not benefit the greater good but what is the fix? I feel like a parent with a child having a tantrum.
 Quoting: Corn Dog




Well, I've read that one way to end a tantrum in a hurry is to pick the little bastard up, trot him/her into the bathroom, and stick him/her under a cold shower.

So, what sort of "cold shower" could we give to the "Fools On The Hill" which would make them STOP and actually THINK about the people they are SUPPOSED to be representing?
"I have come to the conclusion that all news should be treated like 9/11, assume it is a psyop with actors participating in a staged event complete with props, until proven otherwise, in which case assume whatever is being recorded, reported, televised, is distortions/lying by omission/outright lies, until proven otherwise." - Anonymous, 4-13-12
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You don't understand.

America has chosen rulers whose policies guarantee falling apart. We deserve it. It's the only way to purge a large portion of the gene pool (who have really earned it) without going house to house with machetes.
 Quoting: Carshy McCarsh


The people of USA did NOT choose these rulers

They were prechosen by TPTB

our elections have been rigged by the shadow govt.

Go INSIDE your heart and ask if this is true.

The Three Days of Darkness cant come soon enough
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This coming from the guy who put all his eggs in the Mitt Romney basket lol he has about as much credibility as he gave those bilderberg crazies that he denounced enjoy your enslavement Rand you sell out
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15861416


He had a valid strategic plan.

How's that royal pregnancy going, government critic?

1rof1
 Quoting: Carshy McCarsh


Lmao delusional must be contagious, his plan went to shit not really that surprising considering it was a shit plan in the first place so he got what he deserved nothing but guilt from betraying his true base.

Erm how did you jump from my critiscm of Rand's selling out to me giving a fuck about a royal pregnancy?

I'm a critic of everything jackass (yes you as well).
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we are very alike, although I have allegiance only to one country and one culture, the one within which I live.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1310640


So do I.
However, I recognize cultural allies and civilization vs. eternal enemies and savagery.
 Quoting: Carshy McCarsh


And I dont think allies attempt to sink american ships in international waters for 2 hours, OR loot their allies treasuries and sell their friends secrets and technology to the chinese, but otherwise we are pretty much two peas
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1310640


Every henhouse has a few bad eggs.
Doesn't mean chickens are evil.
Tell me what this tastes like...
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This coming from the guy who put all his eggs in the Mitt Romney basket lol he has about as much credibility as he gave those bilderberg crazies that he denounced enjoy your enslavement Rand you sell out
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15861416


He had a valid strategic plan.

How's that royal pregnancy going, government critic?

1rof1
 Quoting: Carshy McCarsh


Lmao delusional must be contagious, his plan went to shit not really that surprising considering it was a shit plan in the first place so he got what he deserved nothing but guilt from betraying his true base.

Erm how did you jump from my critiscm of Rand's selling out to me giving a fuck about a royal pregnancy?

I'm a critic of everything jackass (yes you as well).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15861416


Typical bitter, lonely pom. You're what's wrong with the UK.
It takes no effort to criticize.
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yeah! the rich should pay lower tax rates than me! for fuck's sake they NEED that second home in Aspen and the beach house in Malibu! yay rich people! screw the midlle class, together we can destroy them once and for all!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27515407


Another low-information voter who is economically paraplegic.
Shocking.

What anyone else owns or "needs" is none of your gawdamned business. If you paid as much attention to your own life as you do to the people who you are so jealous of, maybe you wouldn't be such a spectacular failure in life.

loser
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+10000000000000000000
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Why do people think that by giving the government more of our money, NOW they will be responsible with it. More money for the government means more money they can and will spend.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22478672

I never said it was a good thing. I agree with you that they will irresponsibly spend it, it will not benefit the greater good but what is the fix? I feel like a parent with a child having a tantrum.
 Quoting: Corn Dog




Well, I've read that one way to end a tantrum in a hurry is to pick the little bastard up, trot him/her into the bathroom, and stick him/her under a cold shower.

So, what sort of "cold shower" could we give to the "Fools On The Hill" which would make them STOP and actually THINK about the people they are SUPPOSED to be representing?
 Quoting: Eggcellent


1 million armed patriots storming DC and arresting every single one of the bastards. Summary executions for some of the real gems.

We'd probably loose 500,000 men.

But by the end of the day, we'd own the country again.
Tell me what this tastes like...
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we are very alike, although I have allegiance only to one country and one culture, the one within which I live.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1310640


So do I.
However, I recognize cultural allies and civilization vs. eternal enemies and savagery.
 Quoting: Carshy McCarsh


And I dont think allies attempt to sink american ships in international waters for 2 hours, OR loot their allies treasuries and sell their friends secrets and technology to the chinese, but otherwise we are pretty much two peas
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1310640


Every henhouse has a few bad eggs.
Doesn't mean chickens are evil.
 Quoting: Carshy McCarsh


I for one dont believe that a man can have to masters or two nations.
Not one thing of benefit for the US has issued forth from our 'friends' in the me, you know, the ones that get 30 million dollars a day, I'd expect at least a holiday shipment of Haifa Oranges for free, but NOOooooo, everything comes with a smirk, and a bill for more payments due and a request to fight the enemies they themselves created.
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Why do people think that by giving the government more of our money, NOW they will be responsible with it. More money for the government means more money they can and will spend.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22478672

I never said it was a good thing. I agree with you that they will irresponsibly spend it, it will not benefit the greater good but what is the fix? I feel like a parent with a child having a tantrum.
 Quoting: Corn Dog




Well, I've read that one way to end a tantrum in a hurry is to pick the little bastard up, trot him/her into the bathroom, and stick him/her under a cold shower.

So, what sort of "cold shower" could we give to the "Fools On The Hill" which would make them STOP and actually THINK about the people they are SUPPOSED to be representing?
 Quoting: Eggcellent


1 million armed patriots storming DC and arresting every single one of the bastards. Summary executions for some of the real gems.

We'd probably loose 500,000 men.

But by the end of the day, we'd own the country again.
 Quoting: Carshy McCarsh


Are you willing to have you and your family be part of 500,000 lost. Or do you mean someone else should storm the gates while you sit back and reap the benifits?
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Why do people think that by giving the government more of our money, NOW they will be responsible with it. More money for the government means more money they can and will spend.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22478672

I never said it was a good thing. I agree with you that they will irresponsibly spend it, it will not benefit the greater good but what is the fix? I feel like a parent with a child having a tantrum.
 Quoting: Corn Dog




Well, I've read that one way to end a tantrum in a hurry is to pick the little bastard up, trot him/her into the bathroom, and stick him/her under a cold shower.

So, what sort of "cold shower" could we give to the "Fools On The Hill" which would make them STOP and actually THINK about the people they are SUPPOSED to be representing?
 Quoting: Eggcellent


1 million armed patriots storming DC and arresting every single one of the bastards. Summary executions for some of the real gems.

We'd probably loose 500,000 men.

But by the end of the day, we'd own the country again.
 Quoting: Carshy McCarsh


50% casualties is a much better rate than what they have planned at present
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yeah! the rich should pay lower tax rates than me! for fuck's sake they NEED that second home in Aspen and the beach house in Malibu! yay rich people! screw the midlle class, together we can destroy them once and for all!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27515407


No one said you can't apply yourself and become rich too.

You're just lazy, and want to tax the ones that aren't.

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