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This is the 21st century, the technological apex of recent humanity, and yet we still believe in religion, kill each other in god's name, and pray to invisible people... strange?
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Seriously, why one star it. Does that not sound strange? Society mixes the most highly advanced technological aspects, and yet still believes in primeval beliefs?
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We know, and can prove that atoms exist, in fact we can split them for energy, destruction, etc. We know, that internal combustion engines provide transportation and power. We know that electricity can be produced, and used for our benefit. Every single instance above can be duplicated anywhere in the world, with the same results. Why then do we as a society chose to embrace beliefs that cannot be proven, and have roots in the ignorance of man, as he tried to understand (what was not known at the time) the world around him?
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Oh we should only believe things that can be proven?

Prove to me God doesn't exist.

Just turned your argument upside down, eh?
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You need to think of religion in terms of how it has EVOLVED rather than it being around or not.

If you look at it from that perspective, you'll see that it has fractured consistently since the advent of the Abrahamic faiths to the point where many people are now considering themselves more into spirituality, meaning direct relations, rather than being part of a shared belief system.


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This is the 21st century, the technological apex of recent humanity, and yet we still believe in religion, kill each other in god's name, and pray to invisible people... strange?
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Only the Muzzies kill in the name of "god" and/or religion...
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Oh we should only believe things that can be proven?

Prove to me God doesn't exist.

Just turned your argument upside down, eh?
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No, it just means you need further education in logic... Law of Non-Contradiction, would be a starter...
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This is the 21st century, the technological apex of recent humanity, and yet we still believe in religion, kill each other in god's name, and pray to invisible people... strange?
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Only the Muzzies kill in the name of "god" and/or religion...
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Hmmmm, sort of leaving out the crusades are you not?
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You need to think of religion in terms of how it has EVOLVED rather than it being around or not.

If you look at it from that perspective, you'll see that it has fractured consistently since the advent of the Abrahamic faiths to the point where many people are now considering themselves more into spirituality, meaning direct relations, rather than being part of a shared belief system.


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Perhaps, but I really do not see that. Speaking of Abraham, who was semite, is it not comical that he was a Sumerian, and the O/T is 100% plagarized from the Sumerian texts, yet the Sumerians are pagan... hmmmmmm....
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This is the 21st century, the technological apex of recent humanity, and yet we still believe in religion, kill each other in god's name, and pray to invisible people... strange?
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Only the Muzzies kill in the name of "god" and/or religion...
 Quoting: BRIEF



Hmmmm, sort of leaving out the crusades are you not?
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Of course I am, that was a very long time ago and Christianity has evolved since then...we are still trying to rid the planet of the parasites called Muslims, but we do not fight in the name of religion...you mentioned the 21st century in the OP.
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This is the 21st century, the technological apex of recent humanity, and yet we still believe in religion, kill each other in god's name, and pray to invisible people... strange?
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Only the Muzzies kill in the name of "god" and/or religion...
 Quoting: BRIEF



Hmmmm, sort of leaving out the crusades are you not?
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Of course I am, that was a very long time ago and Christianity has evolved since then...we are still trying to rid the planet of the parasites called Muslims, but we do not fight in the name of religion...you mentioned the 21st century in the OP.
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Inquisition, hell even the founding of this country... you simply cannot say that christanity has "evolved"...
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Oh we should only believe things that can be proven?

Prove to me God doesn't exist.

Just turned your argument upside down, eh?
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No, it just means you need further education in logic... Law of Non-Contradiction, would be a starter...
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You're trying to say proving God doesn't exist and proving God exists are not one in the same?

Regardless, even the law of non-contradiction states:

"In logic, a many- or multi-valued logic is a propositional calculus in which there are more than two values. Those most popular in the literature are three-valued (e.g., Łukasiewicz's and Kleene's), which accept the values "true", "false", and "unknown", finite-valued with more than three values, and the infinite-valued (e.g. fuzzy logic and probability logic) logic"


Which leaves room for the unknown.
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Only the Muzzies kill in the name of "god" and/or religion...
 Quoting: BRIEF



Hmmmm, sort of leaving out the crusades are you not?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3558872


Of course I am, that was a very long time ago and Christianity has evolved since then...we are still trying to rid the planet of the parasites called Muslims, but we do not fight in the name of religion...you mentioned the 21st century in the OP.
 Quoting: BRIEF



Inquisition, hell even the founding of this country... you simply cannot say that christanity has "evolved"...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3558872


Sure it has, when was the last time Christians killed in the name of God or religion?
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You need to think of religion in terms of how it has EVOLVED rather than it being around or not.

If you look at it from that perspective, you'll see that it has fractured consistently since the advent of the Abrahamic faiths to the point where many people are now considering themselves more into spirituality, meaning direct relations, rather than being part of a shared belief system.


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 Quoting: BOWMAN




Perhaps, but I really do not see that. Speaking of Abraham, who was semite, is it not comical that he was a Sumerian, and the O/T is 100% plagarized from the Sumerian texts, yet the Sumerians are pagan... hmmmmmm....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3558872


If you trace back far enough, you'll find for yourself that all of the major religions of today are based upon an UNDERSTANDING that was prevelant on this planet many millennia ago.

The different religions and their behaviors toward one another stress the differences, but in examining the core underpinnings of each belief system, common sense tells you that they are based upon the same kinds of philosophies. ohyeah


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Oh we should only believe things that can be proven?

Prove to me God doesn't exist.

Just turned your argument upside down, eh?
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No, it just means you need further education in logic... Law of Non-Contradiction, would be a starter...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3558872


You're trying to say proving God doesn't exist and proving God exists are not one in the same?

Regardless, even the law of non-contradiction states:

"In logic, a many- or multi-valued logic is a propositional calculus in which there are more than two values. Those most popular in the literature are three-valued (e.g., Łukasiewicz's and Kleene's), which accept the values "true", "false", and "unknown", finite-valued with more than three values, and the infinite-valued (e.g. fuzzy logic and probability logic) logic"


Which leaves room for the unknown.
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I'll play along... so if god exists, and is an existential creature, like most want to believe, than where is he/it? Why not end the misery of this planet and help his creation out? Not just some, but all? Millions dieing, starving, and worse... if this is his plan than he is not righteous, if he cannot do anything about it than he is not omniscient or omnipotent...
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Only the Muzzies kill in the name of "god" and/or religion...
 Quoting: BRIEF



Hmmmm, sort of leaving out the crusades are you not?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3558872


Of course I am, that was a very long time ago and Christianity has evolved since then...we are still trying to rid the planet of the parasites called Muslims, but we do not fight in the name of religion...you mentioned the 21st century in the OP.
 Quoting: BRIEF



Inquisition, hell even the founding of this country... you simply cannot say that christanity has "evolved"...
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The inquisition was done by a single church of Catholicism.
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Hmmmm, sort of leaving out the crusades are you not?
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Of course I am, that was a very long time ago and Christianity has evolved since then...we are still trying to rid the planet of the parasites called Muslims, but we do not fight in the name of religion...you mentioned the 21st century in the OP.
 Quoting: BRIEF



Inquisition, hell even the founding of this country... you simply cannot say that christanity has "evolved"...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3558872


Sure it has, when was the last time Christians killed in the name of God or religion?
 Quoting: BRIEF




Why would it matter, since we know that christians have at some point in their existence? So it was ok to kill in the ME during the Crusades, but not ok for the Islamists to do so today? Maybe they felt the same way during the crusades, but the other side did not care. Do you see the moral issue here?
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Here they use color as spicific bike road ... With iron poles on every meter to show it is THERE bike road.
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Hmmmm, sort of leaving out the crusades are you not?
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Of course I am, that was a very long time ago and Christianity has evolved since then...we are still trying to rid the planet of the parasites called Muslims, but we do not fight in the name of religion...you mentioned the 21st century in the OP.
 Quoting: BRIEF



Inquisition, hell even the founding of this country... you simply cannot say that christanity has "evolved"...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3558872


The inquisition was done by a single church of Catholicism.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21963830




What about the protestants, mormons, etc? Did they not wipe out entire tribes of indians in the name of progress and "god"?
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I thought you wanted the definition of irony? 23 years with my wife, 14 days left on the calendar until showtime, and my wife discovered she has a lebido.
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And that white zebra stuff makes you fall on the road in the winter which is pretty amuzing ... Kids are not harmed then.
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I thought you wanted the definition of irony? 23 years with my wife, 14 days left on the calendar until showtime, and my wife discovered she has a lebido.
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Hahahahahaha... sounds way to much like a personal problem bro...
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Re: Definition of irony...
You need to think of religion in terms of how it has EVOLVED rather than it being around or not.

If you look at it from that perspective, you'll see that it has fractured consistently since the advent of the Abrahamic faiths to the point where many people are now considering themselves more into spirituality, meaning direct relations, rather than being part of a shared belief system.


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 Quoting: BOWMAN




Perhaps, but I really do not see that. Speaking of Abraham, who was semite, is it not comical that he was a Sumerian, and the O/T is 100% plagarized from the Sumerian texts, yet the Sumerians are pagan... hmmmmmm....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3558872


If you trace back far enough, you'll find for yourself that all of the major religions of today are based upon an UNDERSTANDING that was prevelant on this planet many millennia ago.

The different religions and their behaviors toward one another stress the differences, but in examining the core underpinnings of each belief system, common sense tells you that they are based upon the same kinds of philosophies. ohyeah


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I agree to that. However, I still find it remarkable in this day and age people actually still believe in some invisible creature that rules the world and will eventually judge us, etc. Should we not be past that? Its almost like taking a feral child and putting an Armani suit on them...
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Of course I am, that was a very long time ago and Christianity has evolved since then...we are still trying to rid the planet of the parasites called Muslims, but we do not fight in the name of religion...you mentioned the 21st century in the OP.
 Quoting: BRIEF



Inquisition, hell even the founding of this country... you simply cannot say that christanity has "evolved"...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3558872


Sure it has, when was the last time Christians killed in the name of God or religion?
 Quoting: BRIEF




Why would it matter, since we know that christians have at some point in their existence? So it was ok to kill in the ME during the Crusades, but not ok for the Islamists to do so today? Maybe they felt the same way during the crusades, but the other side did not care. Do you see the moral issue here?
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I see that you are retarded...

You started out talking of 21st century, technology and the fact that people still kill in the name of god, and I explained that ONLY the Muzzies kill in the name of god these days...Muzzies are who you are mad at, not any other religious group.
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Oh we should only believe things that can be proven?

Prove to me God doesn't exist.

Just turned your argument upside down, eh?
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No, it just means you need further education in logic... Law of Non-Contradiction, would be a starter...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3558872


You're trying to say proving God doesn't exist and proving God exists are not one in the same?

Regardless, even the law of non-contradiction states:

"In logic, a many- or multi-valued logic is a propositional calculus in which there are more than two values. Those most popular in the literature are three-valued (e.g., Łukasiewicz's and Kleene's), which accept the values "true", "false", and "unknown", finite-valued with more than three values, and the infinite-valued (e.g. fuzzy logic and probability logic) logic"


Which leaves room for the unknown.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21963830




I'll play along... so if god exists, and is an existential creature, like most want to believe, than where is he/it? Why not end the misery of this planet and help his creation out? Not just some, but all? Millions dieing, starving, and worse... if this is his plan than he is not righteous, if he cannot do anything about it than he is not omniscient or omnipotent...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3558872


Does a judge not want to see no crime in his jurisdiction? Do people still commit crimes? Of course. While God want's to see everyone saved, He's got to cast judgement on those that live wickedly. Some people do not deserve saving due to said hardships placed upon others.
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It's not the faith in man that kills, it's the fault
yet though the fault of man you blame the faith.
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I thought you wanted the definition of irony? 23 years with my wife, 14 days left on the calendar until showtime, and my wife discovered she has a lebido.
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Hahahahahaha... sounds way to much like a personal problem bro...
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She's a good sport though. And you can't beat making up for lost time. She'll be wearing an ice pack in her trousers and standing upright when the apocalypse arrives.
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Inquisition, hell even the founding of this country... you simply cannot say that christanity has "evolved"...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3558872


Sure it has, when was the last time Christians killed in the name of God or religion?
 Quoting: BRIEF




Why would it matter, since we know that christians have at some point in their existence? So it was ok to kill in the ME during the Crusades, but not ok for the Islamists to do so today? Maybe they felt the same way during the crusades, but the other side did not care. Do you see the moral issue here?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3558872


I see that you are retarded...

You started out talking of 21st century, technology and the fact that people still kill in the name of god, and I explained that ONLY the Muzzies kill in the name of god these days...Muzzies are who you are mad at, not any other religious group.
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No, you simply cannot read. I started out by saying how can anyone in the 21st century, with all its technology, believe in invisible deities... but if you must, in 1948 Israel was founded based on CHRISTIAN idiologies - FACT. War on drugs Christian Idiologies - FACT. Judeo wars - proxy, through the US based Christian Idiologies... FACT.

Kind of sad when Christians get ass chapped when the tables are turned.
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No, it just means you need further education in logic... Law of Non-Contradiction, would be a starter...
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You're trying to say proving God doesn't exist and proving God exists are not one in the same?

Regardless, even the law of non-contradiction states:

"In logic, a many- or multi-valued logic is a propositional calculus in which there are more than two values. Those most popular in the literature are three-valued (e.g., Łukasiewicz's and Kleene's), which accept the values "true", "false", and "unknown", finite-valued with more than three values, and the infinite-valued (e.g. fuzzy logic and probability logic) logic"


Which leaves room for the unknown.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21963830




I'll play along... so if god exists, and is an existential creature, like most want to believe, than where is he/it? Why not end the misery of this planet and help his creation out? Not just some, but all? Millions dieing, starving, and worse... if this is his plan than he is not righteous, if he cannot do anything about it than he is not omniscient or omnipotent...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3558872


Does a judge not want to see no crime in his jurisdiction? Do people still commit crimes? Of course. While God want's to see everyone saved, He's got to cast judgement on those that live wickedly. Some people do not deserve saving due to said hardships placed upon others.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21963830




You are relating god in terms of human perspectives. Not possible. "Saved"? Now you are talking about doctrine and sects, not spiritual generalizations. Why would god not want to step in if he has the power to do so? Why allow innocents to die? What sort of all powerful creature would allow this? If god is far above us, how much more so would you be able to watch the horrors first hand every single second of every day and NOT want to do something about it?
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Sure it has, when was the last time Christians killed in the name of God or religion?
 Quoting: BRIEF




Why would it matter, since we know that christians have at some point in their existence? So it was ok to kill in the ME during the Crusades, but not ok for the Islamists to do so today? Maybe they felt the same way during the crusades, but the other side did not care. Do you see the moral issue here?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3558872


I see that you are retarded...

You started out talking of 21st century, technology and the fact that people still kill in the name of god, and I explained that ONLY the Muzzies kill in the name of god these days...Muzzies are who you are mad at, not any other religious group.
 Quoting: BRIEF


No, you simply cannot read. I started out by saying how can anyone in the 21st century, with all its technology, believe in invisible deities... but if you must, in 1948 Israel was founded based on CHRISTIAN idiologies - FACT. War on drugs Christian Idiologies - FACT. Judeo wars - proxy, through the US based Christian Idiologies... FACT.

Kind of sad when Christians get ass chapped when the tables are turned.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3558872


So you want to go back to living in a mud hut, watermelon?
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Sure it has, when was the last time Christians killed in the name of God or religion?
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Why would it matter, since we know that christians have at some point in their existence? So it was ok to kill in the ME during the Crusades, but not ok for the Islamists to do so today? Maybe they felt the same way during the crusades, but the other side did not care. Do you see the moral issue here?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3558872


I see that you are retarded...

You started out talking of 21st century, technology and the fact that people still kill in the name of god, and I explained that ONLY the Muzzies kill in the name of god these days...Muzzies are who you are mad at, not any other religious group.
 Quoting: BRIEF


No, you simply cannot read. I started out by saying how can anyone in the 21st century, with all its technology, believe in invisible deities... but if you must, in 1948 Israel was founded based on CHRISTIAN idiologies - FACT. War on drugs Christian Idiologies - FACT. Judeo wars - proxy, through the US based Christian Idiologies... FACT.

Kind of sad when Christians get ass chapped when the tables are turned.
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Can you see X-rays or microwaves? Do they not exist?

Judeo-Christian values have nothing to do with killing in the name of god or religion...only the Muzzies kill in the name of religion and their god.
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