Definition of irony...

What? So when god killed millions in the O/T for promised land, was that not murder? When Law said that stoning was legal for adultry and disobedient kids, etc. is that not murder? ...and don't tell me that Christanity is different, because if you knew your bible you would know that Jesus said he came to fulfill the law NOT to destroy it, so by all accounts, and from most scholars in this field, Christians are still under the law, it was Pauline christanity that went a different way... how many people did the christians kill in the first century, or lets even talk about how they burned the library of Alexandria... or stagnated science by over 1000 years because of fanatical beliefs... sounds all to familiar with your distain for Islam, correct?

That's not irony but you're forgiven because you're a yank so you have an irony vacuum in your little brain.

Your argument was for the 21st century...ancient history is irrelevant...the only religion that kills in the name of god is Islam.

No, the core of the argument was why do people still believe in superstitious beliefs in the 21st century when we are at the apex of techology - this applies to ALL religions...

Why do you believe in x-rays? You can't see them...God is very real, even though you don't have the mind to comprehend it.

X-rays can be verified by equipment, and yes, with certain equipiment you can actually "see" Xrays. I know of no equipiment that can see "god", do you?

You can see the result of x-rays, just like electricity...I can see the result of God's creation everywhere I look too...without his creation we wouldn't be here discussing it...

...but you don't know for sure if "god" created us, or if we are the product of some other force or strange occurance. You simply cannot coorelate and unknown (how we got here) with a superfluous hypothesis (god created us)...

I at least have the humility to say I have no idea how we got here, or even our purpose. ...and until god actually shows himself, in person, for all to see, I will hold my reservations of his very existence...

Link please.

Well, that's a nice turn from your making fun of people believing in invisible deities like they were stupid for doing so...

Ah yes, the incessant anthropomorphisation of the creator.

...but they are.

I love this game! So tell me where did you come from op?

I exist, at least my conscience perceives this. Where did we come from? Sort of like asking where are we going. To either question, I do not know, nor will humanity probably ever know. That doesn't bother me, however, what does, are those that must rely on explaining the unexplainable through the crutch of a divinity.

To determine if the beliefs of those are genuine or if they flee in the face of fear/doubt. What's that old mantra....character shows itself in the face of adversity?

Just because God can see everything does NOT mean he is always watching/seeing everything. Omniscient doesn't necessarily mean He is constantly always seeing/paying attention to everything. Why is it so hard to believe God could simply not watch this suffering?

Than that would make him less than omnipotent...

In that case you need to differentiate between man made religious dogma and the other question. where do we come from.

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Religion = god created us
Me = don't know, part of the evolution of energy and mass creating organization within chaos...

I think you're missing the point. What you're talking about (ie mass creating organization through chaos) didn't just appear, and nor does it exist in nothing. Everything you think about and describe is physical and has an origin, a creator (although i don't like that as it's anthropomorphised ) and so has a beginning.

Believing in a creator is only logical...

No, it is not. Its logical when your at the ass end of technology and you use superstition to explain the unknown, as our forefathers did... as you advance so should your premises and thoughts...

As we develop technologies that allow us to further study and observe the complexity and no doubt intelligent design of the world and universe, I have no option logically but to accept that a creator made it all...

So where is your creator? Did he abandon you? Or does he subscribe to a primitive 2 century BC understanding theocracy? Where is your creator? Why is he so bashful to show himself to his creation? Maybe he doesn't care...

OK, but if you believe in the bible stories did not god interfere at the tower of babel, the flood, job and his family, and even the original humans in their choice?

God...... or whatever your beliefs call he/she/it.....is Reality itself. A fractal energy being that uses all life as it's senses in all dimensions.

We are naught but thoughts of God. Good, Bad...no difference. This Reality is all in God's imagination. How can it not be if he/she/it is Omnipotent and Eternal???? God made sin to make his dreams more interesting....it'd be pretty boring to only watch Shirley Temple movies, would'nt it?

Why put your faith in religion? "Faith" and Belief" are BULLSHIT. Only KNOWING from direct experience will show you the truth of what Reality is..

As Voldemort put it---"There is no Good or Evil....only Power..." (I would substitute KNOWING for power)

I would add that the only reason we are here in this Reality is to do our damndest to relax the grip of the Ego enough to REMEMBER that we are all God. Each of us a tiny fractal that can grow into God-Realization.

Until this happens? You are only playing Ego games to entertain God. It's time to wake up and be God instead of playing games!

Nothing Else Matters.
This is why we are here!
To Wake the Hell Up and REMEMBER.
EVERYTHING else that you concern yourself with is nothing but a distraction of the Ego, who wants to take up all your attention so that you never wake up.

And it seems that Time is short......
So get with the program and wake up from this shitty dream!

Namaste
-Boypony

You realize that that concept does some major mind bending? I'm not discounting that, it just require some major mental reworking... wake up to what may I ask?

Those are stories about alien intervention, but I don't believe they are about God intervening...they just didn't know how else to explain them...

OP-
Wake up and Remember that You are God. Now remember since this God/Reality/Life thing is a fractal-we are a small piece of this. So you may not be able to do miracles (yet) -that does not discount that you can KNOW w/o any doubt- that you are God.

Kinda takes the pressure off...especially in this "time" of doom-a-geddon that we seem to be in. So no worries...it's all good...just a good movie that will be over soon. (Even if it ends when you're 100 it's still a blink in the eye of your eternal God-Self.

So Relax. Fuck it. All this crap doesn't matter!

Namaste
-Boypony

The nail tasted kind of IRONY.