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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 3558872 United States 12/07/2012 02:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We know, and can prove that atoms exist, in fact we can split them for energy, destruction, etc. We know, that internal combustion engines provide transportation and power. We know that electricity can be produced, and used for our benefit. Every single instance above can be duplicated anywhere in the world, with the same results. Why then do we as a society chose to embrace beliefs that cannot be proven, and have roots in the ignorance of man, as he tried to understand (what was not known at the time) the world around him? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 11307622 United States 12/07/2012 02:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You need to think of religion in terms of how it has EVOLVED rather than it being around or not. If you look at it from that perspective, you'll see that it has fractured consistently since the advent of the Abrahamic faiths to the point where many people are now considering themselves more into spirituality, meaning direct relations, rather than being part of a shared belief system. ------ |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 3558872 United States 12/07/2012 02:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You need to think of religion in terms of how it has EVOLVED rather than it being around or not. Quoting: BOWMAN If you look at it from that perspective, you'll see that it has fractured consistently since the advent of the Abrahamic faiths to the point where many people are now considering themselves more into spirituality, meaning direct relations, rather than being part of a shared belief system. ------ Perhaps, but I really do not see that. Speaking of Abraham, who was semite, is it not comical that he was a Sumerian, and the O/T is 100% plagarized from the Sumerian texts, yet the Sumerians are pagan... hmmmmmm.... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 21963830 United States 12/07/2012 02:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oh we should only believe things that can be proven? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21963830 Prove to me God doesn't exist. Just turned your argument upside down, eh? No, it just means you need further education in logic... Law of Non-Contradiction, would be a starter... You're trying to say proving God doesn't exist and proving God exists are not one in the same? Regardless, even the law of non-contradiction states: "In logic, a many- or multi-valued logic is a propositional calculus in which there are more than two values. Those most popular in the literature are three-valued (e.g., Łukasiewicz's and Kleene's), which accept the values "true", "false", and "unknown", finite-valued with more than three values, and the infinite-valued (e.g. fuzzy logic and probability logic) logic" Which leaves room for the unknown. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 11307622 United States 12/07/2012 02:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You need to think of religion in terms of how it has EVOLVED rather than it being around or not. Quoting: BOWMAN If you look at it from that perspective, you'll see that it has fractured consistently since the advent of the Abrahamic faiths to the point where many people are now considering themselves more into spirituality, meaning direct relations, rather than being part of a shared belief system. ------ Perhaps, but I really do not see that. Speaking of Abraham, who was semite, is it not comical that he was a Sumerian, and the O/T is 100% plagarized from the Sumerian texts, yet the Sumerians are pagan... hmmmmmm.... If you trace back far enough, you'll find for yourself that all of the major religions of today are based upon an UNDERSTANDING that was prevelant on this planet many millennia ago. The different religions and their behaviors toward one another stress the differences, but in examining the core underpinnings of each belief system, common sense tells you that they are based upon the same kinds of philosophies. ------ |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 3558872 United States 12/07/2012 02:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oh we should only believe things that can be proven? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21963830 Prove to me God doesn't exist. Just turned your argument upside down, eh? No, it just means you need further education in logic... Law of Non-Contradiction, would be a starter... You're trying to say proving God doesn't exist and proving God exists are not one in the same? Regardless, even the law of non-contradiction states: "In logic, a many- or multi-valued logic is a propositional calculus in which there are more than two values. Those most popular in the literature are three-valued (e.g., Łukasiewicz's and Kleene's), which accept the values "true", "false", and "unknown", finite-valued with more than three values, and the infinite-valued (e.g. fuzzy logic and probability logic) logic" Which leaves room for the unknown. I'll play along... so if god exists, and is an existential creature, like most want to believe, than where is he/it? Why not end the misery of this planet and help his creation out? Not just some, but all? Millions dieing, starving, and worse... if this is his plan than he is not righteous, if he cannot do anything about it than he is not omniscient or omnipotent... |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 3558872 United States 12/07/2012 03:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You need to think of religion in terms of how it has EVOLVED rather than it being around or not. Quoting: BOWMAN If you look at it from that perspective, you'll see that it has fractured consistently since the advent of the Abrahamic faiths to the point where many people are now considering themselves more into spirituality, meaning direct relations, rather than being part of a shared belief system. ------ Perhaps, but I really do not see that. Speaking of Abraham, who was semite, is it not comical that he was a Sumerian, and the O/T is 100% plagarized from the Sumerian texts, yet the Sumerians are pagan... hmmmmmm.... If you trace back far enough, you'll find for yourself that all of the major religions of today are based upon an UNDERSTANDING that was prevelant on this planet many millennia ago. The different religions and their behaviors toward one another stress the differences, but in examining the core underpinnings of each belief system, common sense tells you that they are based upon the same kinds of philosophies. ------ I agree to that. However, I still find it remarkable in this day and age people actually still believe in some invisible creature that rules the world and will eventually judge us, etc. Should we not be past that? Its almost like taking a feral child and putting an Armani suit on them... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 21963830 United States 12/07/2012 03:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oh we should only believe things that can be proven? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21963830 Prove to me God doesn't exist. Just turned your argument upside down, eh? No, it just means you need further education in logic... Law of Non-Contradiction, would be a starter... You're trying to say proving God doesn't exist and proving God exists are not one in the same? Regardless, even the law of non-contradiction states: "In logic, a many- or multi-valued logic is a propositional calculus in which there are more than two values. Those most popular in the literature are three-valued (e.g., Łukasiewicz's and Kleene's), which accept the values "true", "false", and "unknown", finite-valued with more than three values, and the infinite-valued (e.g. fuzzy logic and probability logic) logic" Which leaves room for the unknown. I'll play along... so if god exists, and is an existential creature, like most want to believe, than where is he/it? Why not end the misery of this planet and help his creation out? Not just some, but all? Millions dieing, starving, and worse... if this is his plan than he is not righteous, if he cannot do anything about it than he is not omniscient or omnipotent... Does a judge not want to see no crime in his jurisdiction? Do people still commit crimes? Of course. While God want's to see everyone saved, He's got to cast judgement on those that live wickedly. Some people do not deserve saving due to said hardships placed upon others. |
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Veranidae User ID: 26743899 United States 12/07/2012 03:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I thought you wanted the definition of irony? 23 years with my wife, 14 days left on the calendar until showtime, and my wife discovered she has a lebido. Quoting: Veranidae Hahahahahaha... sounds way to much like a personal problem bro... She's a good sport though. And you can't beat making up for lost time. She'll be wearing an ice pack in her trousers and standing upright when the apocalypse arrives. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 3558872 United States 12/07/2012 03:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3558872 No, it just means you need further education in logic... Law of Non-Contradiction, would be a starter... You're trying to say proving God doesn't exist and proving God exists are not one in the same? Regardless, even the law of non-contradiction states: "In logic, a many- or multi-valued logic is a propositional calculus in which there are more than two values. Those most popular in the literature are three-valued (e.g., Łukasiewicz's and Kleene's), which accept the values "true", "false", and "unknown", finite-valued with more than three values, and the infinite-valued (e.g. fuzzy logic and probability logic) logic" Which leaves room for the unknown. I'll play along... so if god exists, and is an existential creature, like most want to believe, than where is he/it? Why not end the misery of this planet and help his creation out? Not just some, but all? Millions dieing, starving, and worse... if this is his plan than he is not righteous, if he cannot do anything about it than he is not omniscient or omnipotent... Does a judge not want to see no crime in his jurisdiction? Do people still commit crimes? Of course. While God want's to see everyone saved, He's got to cast judgement on those that live wickedly. Some people do not deserve saving due to said hardships placed upon others. You are relating god in terms of human perspectives. Not possible. "Saved"? Now you are talking about doctrine and sects, not spiritual generalizations. Why would god not want to step in if he has the power to do so? Why allow innocents to die? What sort of all powerful creature would allow this? If god is far above us, how much more so would you be able to watch the horrors first hand every single second of every day and NOT want to do something about it? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 21963830 United States 12/07/2012 04:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21963830 You're trying to say proving God doesn't exist and proving God exists are not one in the same? Regardless, even the law of non-contradiction states: "In logic, a many- or multi-valued logic is a propositional calculus in which there are more than two values. Those most popular in the literature are three-valued (e.g., Łukasiewicz's and Kleene's), which accept the values "true", "false", and "unknown", finite-valued with more than three values, and the infinite-valued (e.g. fuzzy logic and probability logic) logic" Which leaves room for the unknown. I'll play along... so if god exists, and is an existential creature, like most want to believe, than where is he/it? Why not end the misery of this planet and help his creation out? Not just some, but all? Millions dieing, starving, and worse... if this is his plan than he is not righteous, if he cannot do anything about it than he is not omniscient or omnipotent... Does a judge not want to see no crime in his jurisdiction? Do people still commit crimes? Of course. While God want's to see everyone saved, He's got to cast judgement on those that live wickedly. Some people do not deserve saving due to said hardships placed upon others. You are relating god in terms of human perspectives. Not possible. "Saved"? Now you are talking about doctrine and sects, not spiritual generalizations. Why would god not want to step in if he has the power to do so? Why allow innocents to die? What sort of all powerful creature would allow this? If god is far above us, how much more so would you be able to watch the horrors first hand every single second of every day and NOT want to do something about it? To determine if the beliefs of those are genuine or if they flee in the face of fear/doubt. What's that old mantra....character shows itself in the face of adversity? Just because God can see everything does NOT mean he is always watching/seeing everything. Omniscient doesn't necessarily mean He is constantly always seeing/paying attention to everything. Why is it so hard to believe God could simply not watch this suffering? |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 3558872 United States 12/07/2012 04:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3558872 I'll play along... so if god exists, and is an existential creature, like most want to believe, than where is he/it? Why not end the misery of this planet and help his creation out? Not just some, but all? Millions dieing, starving, and worse... if this is his plan than he is not righteous, if he cannot do anything about it than he is not omniscient or omnipotent... Does a judge not want to see no crime in his jurisdiction? Do people still commit crimes? Of course. While God want's to see everyone saved, He's got to cast judgement on those that live wickedly. Some people do not deserve saving due to said hardships placed upon others. You are relating god in terms of human perspectives. Not possible. "Saved"? Now you are talking about doctrine and sects, not spiritual generalizations. Why would god not want to step in if he has the power to do so? Why allow innocents to die? What sort of all powerful creature would allow this? If god is far above us, how much more so would you be able to watch the horrors first hand every single second of every day and NOT want to do something about it? To determine if the beliefs of those are genuine or if they flee in the face of fear/doubt. What's that old mantra....character shows itself in the face of adversity? Just because God can see everything does NOT mean he is always watching/seeing everything. Omniscient doesn't necessarily mean He is constantly always seeing/paying attention to everything. Why is it so hard to believe God could simply not watch this suffering? Than that would make him less than omnipotent... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 14518082 United States 12/07/2012 05:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | God...... or whatever your beliefs call he/she/it.....is Reality itself. A fractal energy being that uses all life as it's senses in all dimensions. We are naught but thoughts of God. Good, Bad...no difference. This Reality is all in God's imagination. How can it not be if he/she/it is Omnipotent and Eternal???? God made sin to make his dreams more interesting....it'd be pretty boring to only watch Shirley Temple movies, would'nt it? Why put your faith in religion? "Faith" and Belief" are BULLSHIT. Only KNOWING from direct experience will show you the truth of what Reality is.. As Voldemort put it---"There is no Good or Evil....only Power..." (I would substitute KNOWING for power) I would add that the only reason we are here in this Reality is to do our damndest to relax the grip of the Ego enough to REMEMBER that we are all God. Each of us a tiny fractal that can grow into God-Realization. Until this happens? You are only playing Ego games to entertain God. It's time to wake up and be God instead of playing games! Nothing Else Matters. This is why we are here! To Wake the Hell Up and REMEMBER. EVERYTHING else that you concern yourself with is nothing but a distraction of the Ego, who wants to take up all your attention so that you never wake up. And it seems that Time is short...... So get with the program and wake up from this shitty dream! Namaste -Boypony |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 3558872 United States 12/07/2012 05:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | God...... or whatever your beliefs call he/she/it.....is Reality itself. A fractal energy being that uses all life as it's senses in all dimensions. Quoting: Boypony We are naught but thoughts of God. Good, Bad...no difference. This Reality is all in God's imagination. How can it not be if he/she/it is Omnipotent and Eternal???? God made sin to make his dreams more interesting....it'd be pretty boring to only watch Shirley Temple movies, would'nt it? Why put your faith in religion? "Faith" and Belief" are BULLSHIT. Only KNOWING from direct experience will show you the truth of what Reality is.. As Voldemort put it---"There is no Good or Evil....only Power..." (I would substitute KNOWING for power) I would add that the only reason we are here in this Reality is to do our damndest to relax the grip of the Ego enough to REMEMBER that we are all God. Each of us a tiny fractal that can grow into God-Realization. Until this happens? You are only playing Ego games to entertain God. It's time to wake up and be God instead of playing games! Nothing Else Matters. This is why we are here! To Wake the Hell Up and REMEMBER. EVERYTHING else that you concern yourself with is nothing but a distraction of the Ego, who wants to take up all your attention so that you never wake up. And it seems that Time is short...... So get with the program and wake up from this shitty dream! Namaste -Boypony You realize that that concept does some major mind bending? I'm not discounting that, it just require some major mental reworking... wake up to what may I ask? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 14518082 United States 12/07/2012 05:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | God...... or whatever your beliefs call he/she/it.....is Reality itself. A fractal energy being that uses all life as it's senses in all dimensions. Quoting: Boypony We are naught but thoughts of God. Good, Bad...no difference. This Reality is all in God's imagination. How can it not be if he/she/it is Omnipotent and Eternal???? God made sin to make his dreams more interesting....it'd be pretty boring to only watch Shirley Temple movies, would'nt it? Why put your faith in religion? "Faith" and Belief" are BULLSHIT. Only KNOWING from direct experience will show you the truth of what Reality is.. As Voldemort put it---"There is no Good or Evil....only Power..." (I would substitute KNOWING for power) I would add that the only reason we are here in this Reality is to do our damndest to relax the grip of the Ego enough to REMEMBER that we are all God. Each of us a tiny fractal that can grow into God-Realization. Until this happens? You are only playing Ego games to entertain God. It's time to wake up and be God instead of playing games! Nothing Else Matters. This is why we are here! To Wake the Hell Up and REMEMBER. EVERYTHING else that you concern yourself with is nothing but a distraction of the Ego, who wants to take up all your attention so that you never wake up. And it seems that Time is short...... So get with the program and wake up from this shitty dream! Namaste -Boypony You realize that that concept does some major mind bending? I'm not discounting that, it just require some major mental reworking... wake up to what may I ask? OP- Wake up and Remember that You are God. Now remember since this God/Reality/Life thing is a fractal-we are a small piece of this. So you may not be able to do miracles (yet) -that does not discount that you can KNOW w/o any doubt- that you are God. Kinda takes the pressure off...especially in this "time" of doom-a-geddon that we seem to be in. So no worries...it's all good...just a good movie that will be over soon. (Even if it ends when you're 100 it's still a blink in the eye of your eternal God-Self. So Relax. Fuck it. All this crap doesn't matter! Namaste -Boypony |
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