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A Loving God Would Not Send Billions of People to Hell, Would He?

 
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A Loving God Would Not Send Billions of People to Hell, Would He?
by Rich Deem

Introduction

Atheists often claim that Christianity could not be true because a loving God1 would not send billions of people to hell.2 Although this seems logically valid at first glance, it makes some assumptions that are not true for the God of the Bible. Many atheists claim that those who have never heard of Jesus Christ should not be forced to go to hell. This issue is dealt with in depth on another page.

True love is not permissive

The first false assumption is that love allows the object of that love to do whatever he or she wants. However, this permissive kind of "love" isn't really love at all. Any of you who are parents will recognize that allowing your children to do whatever they want to do is not loving at all. If you were to do this, your children would grow up to be spoiled selfish brats, incapable of loving other people. Permissive gods, who are caught up in their own intrigues, and so allow humans to do whatever they want without repercussions, are found in the pagan religions. However, the God of the Bible wants us to love Him and other people above everything else we do.3

God's moral laws have a purpose

The Creator God of the universe is obviously a God of order. The laws that govern the physical universe are so precise that we can calculate the positions of planets, stars, and galaxies thousands to millions of years into the future. Would a God of this kind of precision design moral laws that are random or changing? It doesn't seem likely or consistent with the character of the Creator that we know from the reality of the creation. Therefore, it seems likely that unchanging moral laws are consistent with the God of creation. The Bible says that the moral laws are consistent with the character of God.4 Therefore, the main purpose of the moral laws are to teach us what God requires for us to enter into His kingdom. The moral laws also allow us to live with each other on earth without hurting each other. In fact, if we all perfectly fulfilled the moral laws of God, we would be in perfect harmony with each other. Our failure to fulfill God's moral laws leads us to seek Him as the source of our salvation.

God's creation of free will beings must allow for the possibility of rejecting God completely

Since God created spiritual beings for the purpose of expressing love, those beings must have complete free will in order to express that love. Of course, free will allows for the possibility of those beings rejecting God and His plans. Unfortunately, most people do not agree that God's rules are good and do not want to live by them. In fact, the vast majority of people want to run their own lives without submitting to God at all. Somehow, they feel that God will just let them into heaven because they have behaved about as good, and maybe even better, compared to the rest of the people on earth. The problem with this idea is that God does not grade on the curve. All who enter God's kingdom must be absolutely holy, since no sin is allowed in God's presence. In addition, people must be willing to allow God to prevent them from sinning ever again, since there is no sin in heaven. This means that people must be willing to submit fully to God's will in order to get into heaven. Of course, all humans fall short of God's moral requirements. Therefore, God has made a provision to erase all sins that we have committed in this life and to perfect us so that we cannot sin in the next life. That provision for sin is through the sacrifice of God's son, Jesus Christ. Jesus took the punishment that we deserve and gives us the reward that we do not deserve - eternal life. In accepting Jesus as Lord and Savior, all our sins are erased, and Jesus works to change us into His image (if we allow Him to do so).

People prefer hell over complete submission to God

So why doesn't God make everyone into perfect beings and allow them all into heaven? It would actually be more cruel if God were to do this, since many people prefer hell to the alternative (complete submission to God). All the people who end up going to hell will have done so because they actually prefer hell to being forced into the presence of God for all eternity. People like to live in their favorite sins and answer to no one else. They know that if they accept Jesus as Lord and Savior that God will want them to change their lives and they might have to give up some of their autonomy.

Conclusion

At this time in history, there is more evidence demonstrating the existence of God than at any time in the past. Much of that evidence is presented on this site. In addition, there are missionaries throughout the world proclaiming the good news of Jesus Christ and the salvation that He offers as a free gift. Although the gift is "free," it will cost you your sin, selfishness, and pride. Since none of these character traits are allowed into heaven, those who insist upon holding onto these traits cannot enter into heaven, but must be separated from God in a place called hell. Therefore, those who go to hell do so voluntarily, preferring hell to complete submission to a holy and just God.

Un Dumnezeu iubitor ar trimite atatia oameni in iad (Romanian)

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Related Pages
•What will happen to the people who have never heard of Jesus Christ?
•What Will Heaven be Like?
•What Will Hell be Like?
•The Bible Says Hell is a Place Located Under the Earth: An Atheists' Myth
•Did God Create Evil - Does the Bible Say So?
•Did God Commit Atrocities by Ordering the Killing of Entire Cities of People?
•The Mercy of God as Found in the Old Testament
•Thou Shall Not Kill- Does God Violate His Own Commandment?
•If God is Jealous Doesn't That Make Him the Divine Hypocrite?
•There is Too Much Evil and Suffering For God to Exist?
•Is it Possible for God to Provide 'Partial Free Will' and Eliminate All Evil?
•God's Chosen People, the Jews: Isn't God Unfair in Showing Such Preference?
•Does the Bible Say God Repents From Doing Evil?

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References
1.But I trust in Your unfailing love; my heart rejoices in Your salvation. (Psalm 13:5)
"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life." (John 3:16)
And we have come to know and have believed the love which God has for us. God is love, and the one who abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him. (1 John 4:16)
2."And do not fear those who kill the body, but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. (Matthew 10:28)
"You serpents, you brood of vipers, how shall you escape the sentence of hell?" (Matthew 23:33)
And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. (Revelation 20:15)
3.When Jesus was asked what was the most important rule, He replied that they were relationships:
"Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?" (Matthew 22:36)
And He [Jesus] said to him, "'YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.' This is the great and foremost commandment. The second is like it, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.' On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets." (Matthew 22:37-40)
4.Judge me, O LORD my God, according to Thy righteousness; And do not let them rejoice over me. (Psalm 35:24)
And the heavens declare His righteousness, For God Himself is judge. Selah. (Psalm 50:6)
For Thy righteousness, O God, reaches to the heavens, Thou who hast done great things; O God, who is like Thee? (Psalm 71:19)
But the LORD of hosts will be exalted in judgment, And the holy God will show Himself holy in righteousness. (Isaiah 5:16)

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OP, can you quote for us where in the bible God first warns of an afterlife of endless fire for sinners?
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People who refuse salvation send themselves to Hell. Very tragic and completely unnecessary.

Jesus died so we could live and he was raised to life to make us right with God forever.

Why the huge diatribe? Ask for forgiveness and turn away from sin. God loved us enough to send Jesus to save us. Not agreeing with God's view of reality doesn't help at all.
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A Loving God Would Not Send Billions of People to Hell, Would He?
by Rich Deem

Introduction

Atheists often claim that Christianity could not be true because a loving God1 would not send billions of people to hell.2 Although this seems logically valid at first glance, it makes some assumptions that are not true for the God of the Bible. Many atheists claim that those who have never heard of Jesus Christ should not be forced to go to hell. This issue is dealt with in depth on another page.

True love is not permissive

The first false assumption is that love allows the object of that love to do whatever he or she wants. However, this permissive kind of "love" isn't really love at all. Any of you who are parents will recognize that allowing your children to do whatever they want to do is not loving at all. If you were to do this, your children would grow up to be spoiled selfish brats, incapable of loving other people. Permissive gods, who are caught up in their own intrigues, and so allow humans to do whatever they want without repercussions, are found in the pagan religions. However, the God of the Bible wants us to love Him and other people above everything else we do.3

God's moral laws have a purpose

The Creator God of the universe is obviously a God of order. The laws that govern the physical universe are so precise that we can calculate the positions of planets, stars, and galaxies thousands to millions of years into the future. Would a God of this kind of precision design moral laws that are random or changing? It doesn't seem likely or consistent with the character of the Creator that we know from the reality of the creation. Therefore, it seems likely that unchanging moral laws are consistent with the God of creation. The Bible says that the moral laws are consistent with the character of God.4 Therefore, the main purpose of the moral laws are to teach us what God requires for us to enter into His kingdom. The moral laws also allow us to live with each other on earth without hurting each other. In fact, if we all perfectly fulfilled the moral laws of God, we would be in perfect harmony with each other. Our failure to fulfill God's moral laws leads us to seek Him as the source of our salvation.

God's creation of free will beings must allow for the possibility of rejecting God completely

Since God created spiritual beings for the purpose of expressing love, those beings must have complete free will in order to express that love. Of course, free will allows for the possibility of those beings rejecting God and His plans. Unfortunately, most people do not agree that God's rules are good and do not want to live by them. In fact, the vast majority of people want to run their own lives without submitting to God at all. Somehow, they feel that God will just let them into heaven because they have behaved about as good, and maybe even better, compared to the rest of the people on earth. The problem with this idea is that God does not grade on the curve. All who enter God's kingdom must be absolutely holy, since no sin is allowed in God's presence. In addition, people must be willing to allow God to prevent them from sinning ever again, since there is no sin in heaven. This means that people must be willing to submit fully to God's will in order to get into heaven. Of course, all humans fall short of God's moral requirements. Therefore, God has made a provision to erase all sins that we have committed in this life and to perfect us so that we cannot sin in the next life. That provision for sin is through the sacrifice of God's son, Jesus Christ. Jesus took the punishment that we deserve and gives us the reward that we do not deserve - eternal life. In accepting Jesus as Lord and Savior, all our sins are erased, and Jesus works to change us into His image (if we allow Him to do so).People prefer hell over complete submission to God

So why doesn't God make everyone into perfect beings and allow them all into heaven? It would actually be more cruel if God were to do this, since many people prefer hell to the alternative (complete submission to God). All the people who end up going to hell will have done so because they actually prefer hell to being forced into the presence of God for all eternity. People like to live in their favorite sins and answer to no one else. They know that if they accept Jesus as Lord and Savior that God will want them to change their lives and they might have to give up some of their autonomy.

Conclusion

At this time in history, there is more evidence demonstrating the existence of God than at any time in the past. Much of that evidence is presented on this site. In addition, there are missionaries throughout the world proclaiming the good news of Jesus Christ and the salvation that He offers as a free gift. Although the gift is "free," it will cost you your sin, selfishness, and pride. Since none of these character traits are allowed into heaven, those who insist upon holding onto these traits cannot enter into heaven, but must be separated from God in a place called hell. Therefore, those who go to hell do so voluntarily, preferring hell to complete submission to a holy and just God.

Un Dumnezeu iubitor ar trimite atatia oameni in iad (Romanian)

-------------------------------------------------------------​-------------------

Related Pages
•What will happen to the people who have never heard of Jesus Christ?
•What Will Heaven be Like?
•What Will Hell be Like?
•The Bible Says Hell is a Place Located Under the Earth: An Atheists' Myth
•Did God Create Evil - Does the Bible Say So?
•Did God Commit Atrocities by Ordering the Killing of Entire Cities of People?
•The Mercy of God as Found in the Old Testament
•Thou Shall Not Kill- Does God Violate His Own Commandment?
•If God is Jealous Doesn't That Make Him the Divine Hypocrite?
•There is Too Much Evil and Suffering For God to Exist?
•Is it Possible for God to Provide 'Partial Free Will' and Eliminate All Evil?
•God's Chosen People, the Jews: Isn't God Unfair in Showing Such Preference?
•Does the Bible Say God Repents From Doing Evil?

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References
1.But I trust in Your unfailing love; my heart rejoices in Your salvation. (Psalm 13:5)
"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life." (John 3:16)
And we have come to know and have believed the love which God has for us. God is love, and the one who abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him. (1 John 4:16)
2."And do not fear those who kill the body, but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. (Matthew 10:28)
"You serpents, you brood of vipers, how shall you escape the sentence of hell?" (Matthew 23:33)
And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. (Revelation 20:15)
3.When Jesus was asked what was the most important rule, He replied that they were relationships:
"Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?" (Matthew 22:36)
And He [Jesus] said to him, "'YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.' This is the great and foremost commandment. The second is like it, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.' On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets." (Matthew 22:37-40)
4.Judge me, O LORD my God, according to Thy righteousness; And do not let them rejoice over me. (Psalm 35:24)
And the heavens declare His righteousness, For God Himself is judge. Selah. (Psalm 50:6)
For Thy righteousness, O God, reaches to the heavens, Thou who hast done great things; O God, who is like Thee? (Psalm 71:19)
But the LORD of hosts will be exalted in judgment, And the holy God will show Himself holy in righteousness. (Isaiah 5:16)

[link to www.godandscience.org]
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OP, can you quote for us where in the bible God first warns of an afterlife of endless fire for sinners?
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"And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the
books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were writen in the books, according to their works.

And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

And whosoever was not found written in
the book of life was cast in the lake of fire. Rev.20:11-15

"And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever." Rev.20:10

Only believers names are in the book of life and are NOT JUDGED ACCORDING TO THEIR WORKS FOR SALVATION. Believers are judged at another judgement called the 'Bema' seat and it's for REWARDS ONLY.

Unbelievers are not in the book of Life, THEY REFUSED TO ACCEPT THE WORK OF JESUS ON THE CROSS ON THEIR BEHALF. So THEY WILL BE JUDGED ACCORDING TO THEIR OWN WORKS WHICH ARE FILTHY RAGS IN GOD'S SIGHT AND ALWAYS FALL SHORT.

Bottom Line = Accept Jesus WORK in living a sinless life on earth and keeping all the commandments ON OUR BEHALF and Jesus' DEATH by taking our punishment for sin.

This way, your name will be written in The Book of Life, and you'll have eternal life forever in God's presence.
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OP, can you quote for us where in the bible God first warns of an afterlife of endless fire for sinners?
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Logic, Decency, Love, Wisdom etc. would all demand that if hell were real, God would have announced it plain as day at the earliest possible moment, yes? Yet we find no mention of any such fate to Adam & Eve, Cain (world's first murderer), Noah, Abraham, or even Moses, to whom He issued volumes of detailed laws and directives - regarding such mundane things as menstruation.
This covers at least a couple thousand years. Why did God wait so ridiculously long to speak up about Religion's beloved torture chamber?! How many poor schmucks died and tumbled into its depths in that length of time, with no clue as to what was awaiting them? Sounds kinda like God dropped the ball on this, especially considering how adamant He always was that the prophets spell things out for the people, "lest blood be on their hands".

WTF? Why the horrendous Plan B, if God is Love, and Love never fails? Per Hebrews 1, Christ is the Heir of all, and in the gospels He says He will lose none of those He has been given. John says His blood paid the price, not only for our sins, but for the sins of the world. Looked at objectively**, it kind of sounds like the bases are covered and we're going to see a wildly different outcome than carnal churchbots are expecting.

When every knee bows and every tongue confesses Him, what do you suppose happens to all those folks? Maybe He just wants to squeeze an acknowledgment out of them before dropping them onto the grill? If those in the lake of fire will be in the presence of the Lamb, per Revelation 14, why is He there with them? Is our humble Jesus eager to view the agony of the lost, or is there something else going on here?

(** Not something Christianity Inc. is exactly famous for)

Perfect love casts out fear, guys.
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"A Loving God Would Not Send Billions of People to Hell, Would He?"


Probably not. But consider god does love us enough to let us choose for ourselves what we are and where we are going.

Of course, god could choose these details for us, but that would make god and the individual one. Interesting.
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Again with this foolishness.

God doesn't send anyone to hell.
YOU CHOOSE TO GO THERE.


It is because of your REBELLION against God, God is giving you want you want.

A separation from Him, as YOU requested and CHOSE.

Because God is the JUDGE of ALL SIN and you REFUSED to let go of that SIN, you will fall under that judgement.

He is the creator.
He made you and gave you the freedome to CHOOSE.

YOU CHOSE.

You send yourself to hell if this is what you have desired.

When you reject the sacrifice and atonement for sin God provided through His Son, Jesus Christ so that YOU might have hope in HIM, you reject God and your sins are still with you.

Those SINS in you will be judged.
You have chosen.

In Jesus Christ.
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God gave humans free will.

Humans kill/harm other humans.

Thats it in a nutshell.
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the bible contains a multitude of passages where 'god' condones rape, human sacrifice, murder, slavery, land invasions, pillaging, etc.

the 'damned to the lake of fire for eternity' bullshit was a terror tactic used, so people would obey authority and pay taxes so roman emperors could remain powerful and wealthy.

it's all bullshit, but your early brainwashing and fear of hell, prevents you from seeing through this.
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Yet we find no mention of any such fate to Adam & Eve, Cain (world's first murderer How many poor schmucks died and tumbled into its depths in that length of time, with no clue as to what was awaiting them?
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Crack open a Bible!

Jude 1:7 = ETERNAL FIRE

List of people, and no God doesn't call them 'poor schmucks', in O.T. who have a reservation waiting for them in the BLACKNESS OF DARNESS FOR EVER: Jude 1:7-16

Cain, Balaam, Korah and his gang

Also -

JESUS = PERFECT LOVE = NO FEAR

WITHOUT JESUS = FEAR

Jesus said in Matt.10:28 "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather FEAR HIM WHICH IS ABLE TO DESTROY BOTH SOUL AND BODY IN HELL."

I don't know how long each God rejector will be there being destroyed... it doesn't matter.

Then he goes on to say how people can NOT FEAR, it's by CONFESSING JESUS TO MEN AS YOUR SAVIOUR IN THIS LIFE.

" Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father.

But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.

Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows.

Whoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.

But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven." Matt.10:28-33



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the bible contains a multitude of passages where 'god' condones rape, human sacrifice, murder, slavery, land invasions, pillaging, etc.

the 'damned to the lake of fire for eternity' bullshit was a terror tactic used, so people would obey authority and pay taxes so roman emperors could remain powerful and wealthy.

it's all bullshit, but your early brainwashing and fear of hell, prevents you from seeing through this.
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Thomas Paine (1737 - 1809)

- It is from the Bible that man has learned cruelty, rapine, and murder; for the belief of a cruel God makes a cruel man.

- The christian religion is a parody on the worship of the Sun, in which they put a man whom they call Christ, in the place of the Sun, and pay him the same adoration which was originally paid to the Sun.

- Each of those churches show certain books, which they call revelation, or the word of God. The Jews say, that their word of God was given by God to Moses, face to face; the Christians say, that their word of God came by divine inspiration: and the Turks say, that their word of God (the Koran) was brought by an angel from Heaven. Each of those churches accuse the other of unbelief; and for my own part, I disbelieve them all.

- All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.

- It is a contradiction in terms and ideas to call anything a revelation that comes to us at second hand, either verbally or in writing. Revelation is necessarily limited to the first communication. After this, it is only an account of something which that person says was a revelation made to him; and though he may find himself obliged to believe it, it cannot be incumbent on me to believe it in the same manner, for it was not a revelation made to me, and I have only his word for it that it was made to him.

- I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my own church

- It is only by the exercise of reason that man can discover God


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Yet we find no mention of any such fate to Adam & Eve, Cain (world's first murderer How many poor schmucks died and tumbled into its depths in that length of time, with no clue as to what was awaiting them?
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Crack open a Bible!

Jude 1:7 = ETERNAL FIRE

List of people, and no God doesn't call them 'poor schmucks', in O.T. who have a reservation waiting for them in the BLACKNESS OF DARNESS FOR EVER: Jude 1:7-16

Cain, Balaam, Korah and his gang

Also -

JESUS = PERFECT LOVE = NO FEAR

WITHOUT JESUS = FEAR

Jesus said in Matt.10:28 "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather FEAR HIM WHICH IS ABLE TO DESTROY BOTH SOUL AND BODY IN HELL."

I don't know how long each God rejector will be there being destroyed... it doesn't matter.

Then he goes on to say how people can NOT FEAR, it's by CONFESSING JESUS TO MEN AS YOUR SAVIOUR IN THIS LIFE.

" Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father.

But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.

Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows.

Whoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.

But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven." Matt.10:28-33


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you're not listening are you?

i said:

the bible contains a multitude of passages where 'god' condones rape, human sacrifice, murder, slavery, land invasions, pillaging, etc.

the 'damned to the lake of fire for eternity' bullshit was a terror tactic used, so people would obey authority and pay taxes so roman emperors could remain powerful and wealthy.

it's all bullshit, but your early brainwashing and fear of hell, prevents you from seeing through this.
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NO. He would not.
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What you people seriously DO NO UNDERSTAND is that arguing with God is not gonna get you of hell if your on your way there.

The more you rebel the more you think YOU are right, the more your going faster into that pit.

God looks at the HUMBLE at heart.
Those who HUMBLE themselves and approach God.

If you truly want to know the answers and truly want to ask God WHY, then you need to first ACCEPT GOD's SOVEREIGNTY and THEN with humbleness and meekness approach Him and ask.

You think if you confront God, HE is gonna be all like oh no I am wrong and YOU are right?

LOL, GOD IS THE CREATOR.
HE KNOWS EVERYTHING.

What do YOU know compared to HIM?

And you think God is arrogant?
Wow!

How arrogant are YOU to face God with an attitude at all?
God who created YOU.
Who keeps YOU alive.
Who LETS YOU ask and question HIM.
Because He still loves you even in your rebellion and hopes that you one day will see PEACE and RIGHTEOUSNESS and TRUTH and find your way back to HIM.

In Jesus Christ.
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you're not listening are you?

i said:

the bible contains a multitude of passages where 'god' condones rape, human sacrifice, murder, slavery, land invasions, pillaging, etc.

the 'damned to the lake of fire for eternity' bullshit was a terror tactic used, so people would obey authority and pay taxes so roman emperors could remain powerful and wealthy.

it's all bullshit, but your early brainwashing and fear of hell, prevents you from seeing through this.
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No, I didn't respond to you, that's why you aren't in the 'quote' box... that means I was listening and responding to another poster.baby

Sorry, I usually don't use the offensive icons.... but your doing thisawhore and I couldn't resist!hf
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If god is all-knowing, then he knew if we would go to hell or not before we were even born.

Don't give me that free-will BULLSHIT.

Either god is all-knowing, and knew what our "free will" would be, and is a sadistic asshole, or he's not all-knowing, and therefore not god.

END OF STORY
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He gave you a free will you choose your own path. Will it be the narrow struggling path or the wide easy path?
This world is fading away along with everything it craves, but if you do the will of god you will live forever. 1 John 2:17

For everything comes from god alone.Everything lives by his power, and everything is for his glory. Romans 11:36
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Course He would!

For the lulz!

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If god is all-knowing, then he knew if we would go to hell or not before we were even born.

Don't give me that free-will BULLSHIT.

Either god is all-knowing, and knew what our "free will" would be, and is a sadistic asshole, or he's not all-knowing, and therefore not god.

END OF STORY

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*sigh then what can I say?

When you go to hell, I guess your ok?

So be it.
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If god is all-knowing, then he knew if we would go to hell or not before we were even born.

Don't give me that free-will BULLSHIT.

Either god is all-knowing, and knew what our "free will" would be, and is a sadistic asshole, or he's not all-knowing, and therefore not god.

END OF STORY

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If He loved you, then he would give you the will to do as you choose.

No matter what the consequence.

Otherwise, he would be a tyrant God, and not loving at all.

End of story!
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He gave you a free will you choose your own path. Will it be the narrow struggling path or the wide easy path?
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Haha, knew that "you have free will" SHIT would spout from your robotic christard mouth.

Regardless of free-will, god KNEW where we would "decide" to go before we were born RIGHT?

Yet he still allows billions to burn for eternity for being "naughty" for 60-80 years?

Give me a break. I would never worship a sadistic torturer.
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Wouldn't it best for most of you *angry* people rebelling against God to BELIEVE and then when you meet Him ask all your questions and get the answers for them?

How will you EVER get an answer if all you do is rebel and end up in HELL?

WHO will answer you then or there?

This is the sadness of those of you who are full of anger and hatred at God but have no heart to repent and turn to God for the REAL ANSWERS.

Because YOU are content being angry and that is all.
So then you will be content with going into eternity in the FIRE that burns forever.

In Jesus Christ!
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If god is all-knowing, then he knew if we would go to hell or not before we were even born.

Don't give me that free-will BULLSHIT.

Either god is all-knowing, and knew what our "free will" would be, and is a sadistic asshole, or he's not all-knowing, and therefore not god.

END OF STORY

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28041340


If He loved you, then he would give you the will to do as you choose.

No matter what the consequence.

Otherwise, he would be a tyrant God, and not loving at all.

End of story!
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You didnt answer the question, you circular logic FUCK.

He KNOWS we will "choose" to go to hell right?
Yet he still allows it.

Gimme a break with your BULL FUCKING SHIT.
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Yes, OP.

God Loves means God Loves to see souls burn.

Like "Hey son, look at all these souls I'm sending to Hell today. I'm loving this, come check it out!"
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Thomas Paine (1737 - 1809)

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Did it ever occur to you that Thomas Paine could be wrong?

Well, if it didn't....He is wrong... and God is right and he's omni-potent enough to preserve his Holy Word.

Thread: 100% Archaeological Proof of the Bible's Authenticity - Videos
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If god is all-knowing, then he knew if we would go to hell or not before we were even born.

Don't give me that free-will BULLSHIT.

Either god is all-knowing, and knew what our "free will" would be, and is a sadistic asshole, or he's not all-knowing, and therefore not god.

END OF STORY

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*sigh then what can I say?

When you go to hell, I guess your ok?

So be it.
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Christians are the most brainwashed fools on the planet.
I can't wait for the Apocalypse when all your heads are getting lopped off.

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Thomas Paine (1737 - 1809)

 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


Did it ever occur to you that Thomas Paine could be wrong?

Well, if it didn't....He is wrong... and God is right and he's omni-potent enough to preserve his Holy Word.

Thread: 100% Archaeological Proof of the Bible's Authenticity - Videos
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BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

God preserves a fucking book but can't provide food for starving children worldwide?


DUMB FUCK
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you're not listening are you?

i said:

the bible contains a multitude of passages where 'god' condones rape, human sacrifice, murder, slavery, land invasions, pillaging, etc.

the 'damned to the lake of fire for eternity' bullshit was a terror tactic used, so people would obey authority and pay taxes so roman emperors could remain powerful and wealthy.

it's all bullshit, but your early brainwashing and fear of hell, prevents you from seeing through this.
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No, I didn't respond to you, that's why you aren't in the 'quote' box... that means I was listening and responding to another poster.baby

Sorry, I usually don't use the offensive icons.... but your doing thisawhore and I couldn't resist!hf
 Quoting: Morganite


therefore you believe in a god who says it's ok to commit rape, human sacrifice, murder, slavery, land invasions, pillaging, etc. this is the word of god, according to the bible, so if you go against his word, then you're going into the fiery pit, right?

so, is it right to: commit rape, human sacrifice, murder, slavery, land invasions, pillaging?

yes or no?

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