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A Loving God Would Not Send Billions of People to Hell, Would He?

 
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fucking brainwashed idiot, seeing shit through rose tinted glasses. take em off and read em all properly.

the bible is bullshit. if you were a jew or muslim, then christianity would be wrong lol

i'm through debating with a brainwashed cult member.

poor bastard.
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These are jewish scriptures and they accept the O.T.

Sheesh!
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In every case you mentioned above,

GOD is bringing judgement on the people of the land that have been in continual SIN against Him by doing abhorrent things.

I believe to God, these are already marked as being "dead" just like what happened in Sodom and Gomorrah.

And if you see case by case scenario of the places the Israelites took over, sometimes they were commanded to kill everything and burn it to the ground, signifying the depth of SIN these people were committing against the Lord.

Other times, children and women were spared and perhaps in these cases it was not such a severe case.

Remember the same things happened to ISRAEL when the Babylonians took them captive and also when the Romans invaded and many other times.

Men will do evil.
Men's hearts were even more hard and cruel in these times and so the LAW God had given them fit the hardness in the hearts of men. Remember the eye for eye rule?

And this is the crux of it.


If God allowed the sinners like these to come under such a FATE as you have listed here and the fates of Sodom and Gomorrah and even HE wiped out all the peoples with the flood during Noah's time and only spared Noah and his family.

WHY DO YOU THINK HE WILL NOT SEND THOSE WITH SIN TO ETERNAL FIRE?

YOU people are so naive.

HEAR the LORD!
And with FEAR come to Him and REPENT!
And in repentence find the PEACE and LOVE of His Son, who protects all those who come to Him in Humility and brokeness of heart for in Him you will find TRUTH and LOVE and ETERNAL COMPASSION.

But you who keep rebelling and denying God.
Keep doing so at your own peril.


For you yourself have said what the Lord was willing to allow to those who were SINFUL and CONTINUED TO LIVE IN SIN.

How much MORE will YOU BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE who had His very SON sent to you to tell you the way to TRUTH in HIM?

In Jesus Christ!
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^^^ Well Spoken^^^
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Bahaha, so the children are only spared gruesome deaths when the adults have only been a little naughty. Holy shit, this is too much.
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In every case you mentioned above,

GOD is bringing judgement on the people of the land that have been in continual SIN against Him by doing abhorrent things.

I believe to God, these are already marked as being "dead" just like what happened in Sodom and Gomorrah.

And if you see case by case scenario of the places the Israelites took over, sometimes they were commanded to kill everything and burn it to the ground, signifying the depth of SIN these people were committing against the Lord.

Other times, children and women were spared and perhaps in these cases it was not such a severe case.

Remember the same things happened to ISRAEL when the Babylonians took them captive and also when the Romans invaded and many other times.

Men will do evil.
Men's hearts were even more hard and cruel in these times and so the LAW God had given them fit the hardness in the hearts of men. Remember the eye for eye rule?

And this is the crux of it.


If God allowed the sinners like these to come under such a FATE as you have listed here and the fates of Sodom and Gomorrah and even HE wiped out all the peoples with the flood during Noah's time and only spared Noah and his family.

WHY DO YOU THINK HE WILL NOT SEND THOSE WITH SIN TO ETERNAL FIRE?

YOU people are so naive.

HEAR the LORD!
And with FEAR come to Him and REPENT!
And in repentence find the PEACE and LOVE of His Son, who protects all those who come to Him in Humility and brokeness of heart for in Him you will find TRUTH and LOVE and ETERNAL COMPASSION.

But you who keep rebelling and denying God.
Keep doing so at your own peril.


For you yourself have said what the Lord was willing to allow to those who were SINFUL and CONTINUED TO LIVE IN SIN.

How much MORE will YOU BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE who had His very SON sent to you to tell you the way to TRUTH in HIM?

In Jesus Christ!
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bump
^^^ Well Spoken^^^
 Quoting: Morganite


not that i believe any of it, but the bible states god got jealous if people worshiped other gods lol. god destroyed men because other gods got more attention?

“You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God” (Exodus 20:4-5)
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Hell is the grave(death), that is why hell (the grave) is also thrown into the lake of fire(destroyed). The choice is eternal life or the judgement of eternal fire. The judgement of eternal fire is symbolic and means eternal anihillation. There are many examples of judgement with eternal fire in the bible and it always means anihillation. I will give an example. This example even tells us that it shows what happens to any thing under the eternal fire judgement.

"In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire."
Jude 1:7
So no matter who tells you that hell is eternal burning in a fire. The bible is clear that it is total eternal anihillation same as Sodom and Gomorrah got.
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Yet we find no mention of any such fate to Adam & Eve, Cain (world's first murderer How many poor schmucks died and tumbled into its depths in that length of time, with no clue as to what was awaiting them?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8788578


Crack open a Bible!

Jude 1:7 = ETERNAL FIRE

List of people, and no God doesn't call them 'poor schmucks', in O.T. who have a reservation waiting for them in the BLACKNESS OF DARNESS FOR EVER: Jude 1:7-16

Cain, Balaam, Korah and his gang

Also -

JESUS = PERFECT LOVE = NO FEAR

WITHOUT JESUS = FEAR

Jesus said in Matt.10:28 "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather FEAR HIM WHICH IS ABLE TO DESTROY BOTH SOUL AND BODY IN HELL."

I don't know how long each God rejector will be there being destroyed... it doesn't matter.

Then he goes on to say how people can NOT FEAR, it's by CONFESSING JESUS TO MEN AS YOUR SAVIOUR IN THIS LIFE.

" Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father.

But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.

Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows.

Whoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.

But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven." Matt.10:28-33


 Quoting: Morganite


you're not listening are you?

i said:

the bible contains a multitude of passages where 'god' condones rape, human sacrifice, murder, slavery, land invasions, pillaging, etc.

the 'damned to the lake of fire for eternity' bullshit was a terror tactic used, so people would obey authority and pay taxes so roman emperors could remain powerful and wealthy.

it's all bullshit, but your early brainwashing and fear of hell, prevents you from seeing through this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 845201


So many smaterings of indignation I can't address them all. But your mis understanding is not your completly your fault but the fault of those that teach. God is going to judge the teachers first btw.

Now God commanded the Hebrews to kill off entire areas as they move out of the desert. This included all men, women, children, and even the animals. The reason was they were all nephilim hybrids at the time. You are enjoying a nephilim free life right now due to those commandments by God.

Now the torment in the presense of the lamb. That is not happening in the lake of fire. Please show me anywhere in that chapter where there is a lake of fire mentioned. No, they are going to get a righteous ass chewing by God for having fallen for satans lies. And at that time we all will have left our bodies and realized that we were born here to make a choice. A set of blinders that you worn since birth are gonna suddenly come off. Happens to everyone when they leave the flesh.

Those people's torment that goes up forever and ever as smoke. It's shame, 1000 times more shame than anyone has ever felt here in the flesh. No rest night and day. Well it's because they were not graced by the first resurrection having worked hard enough to learn the truth in this world so that they might stand against the wiles of the devil in the comming tribulation.

They are not destroyed in hell. No they get no rest because Christ is our rest and now they must be taught 24/7 for a 1000 years dicipline. People aren't going to be questioning God at this time. Because He is gonna be there to make sure everyone gets thier fair chance.

After this the devil gets loosed for time just to test those that didn't make it the first time. It is those that choose not to stand with God that will walk themselves into the lake of fire. They are not tormented forever, just burnt up and gone right there on the spot. Almighty God is a consuming fire and everyone doesnt stand with Him in the end gets to give Him one last embrace on thier way out.

After that God is going to wipe away all tears. Meaning the memory of these people that choose death over Love are gone along with any remnant of satan and his bad angels. Gone forever and we are moving on singing again as one body.
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What you people seriously DO NO UNDERSTAND is that arguing with God is not gonna get you of hell if your on your way there.

The more you rebel the more you think YOU are right, the more your going faster into that pit.

God looks at the HUMBLE at heart.
Those who HUMBLE themselves and approach God.

If you truly want to know the answers and truly want to ask God WHY, then you need to first ACCEPT GOD's SOVEREIGNTY and THEN with humbleness and meekness approach Him and ask.

You think if you confront God, HE is gonna be all like oh no I am wrong and YOU are right?

LOL, GOD IS THE CREATOR.
HE KNOWS EVERYTHING.

What do YOU know compared to HIM?

And you think God is arrogant?
Wow!

How arrogant are YOU to face God with an attitude at all?
God who created YOU.
Who keeps YOU alive.
Who LETS YOU ask and question HIM.
Because He still loves you even in your rebellion and hopes that you one day will see PEACE and RIGHTEOUSNESS and TRUTH and find your way back to HIM.

In Jesus Christ.
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Amen!!!!!!!
The things which are impossible with men are possible with God.
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If you do not know the love of God and embrace his love now when you are alive, your spirit when you die may be in a state that they think they are in a hell. Its all in the mind of the spirit which never dies. Because there is no time in eternity five minutes may seem like a thousand years. Until a person acknowledges they need love they will feel fear and total abandonment after death. But when they realize their error they will be relieved from that awful state and able to go to a place of love (heaven) with the help of their spirit guide and God's love.
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You and your father and your two older brothers are on a boat in the middle of the ocean, not a care in the world, enough supplies and fuel to relax and take it easy with all accomodations.

You all talk about having a nice swim, but your father says "I don't think it's a good idea. There's sharks, undertows, currents...all sorts of things that would kill you or take you away from me."

"Nonsense!" says your oldest brother, and jumps in the water.

"Son, I'm begging you to get back in the boat, before it's too late!"

"No way, old man! I know what I'm doing! Hey, brothers, c'mon in, it's awesome!"

Your other brother says "No thanks" and harkens to the word of the father.

You decide your oldest brother is cool and knows what he's doing, so you jump in.

As you hit the water, A strong wind starts to blow and the sky darkens.

"Get back in here now, boys!" says your father.

"It's nothing! We're having fun!" you all yell back. "WE've got time!"

Just then, a terrified look crosses your oldest brother's face and the water turns red with his blood. He's been bitten! As he struggles, he starts to pull you down with him. You look around, and the boat has been blown away, too far from rescue!

You cry out for help, but you can't be heard, and your brother is sinking fast and taking you with him.

Your father says to your brother back on the boat "There's nothing I can do for them now, I can't swim and I'm too old to fight off sharks."

"I'll do it," the younger brother says.

"But you'll get lost too"

"I may, but I'll save two of your sons by sacrificing one"

So your brother jumps in, swims out to your location and distracts the shark. He goes under and must surely be dead.

Your older brother is in bad shape and continues to pull you down.

Suddenly, a floatation device made out of shark gut floats to the surface. You grab on and you see that it has a tether. You reel in the tether and it takes you back to the boat.

Amazingly, your younger brother is back on the boat with your father, and they are both so happy to have you back!

"Where's my older brother?" you ask. "Did he make it?"

"I made a raft for him too," your younger Brother says, "But he wouldn't take it and gave me the finger as he sank to the bottom of the sea."

Your Father shook his head in sorrow.

"What an asshole," you say, and your younger brother nods emphatically.

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Hell is the grave(death), that is why hell (the grave) is also thrown into the lake of fire(destroyed). The choice is eternal life or the judgement of eternal fire. The judgement of eternal fire is symbolic and means eternal anihillation. There are many examples of judgement with eternal fire in the bible and it always means anihillation. I will give an example. This example even tells us that it shows what happens to any thing under the eternal fire judgement.

"In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire."
Jude 1:7
So no matter who tells you that hell is eternal burning in a fire. The bible is clear that it is total eternal anihillation same as Sodom and Gomorrah got.
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CORRECT VERY GOOD, Your the first person ive seen on this site to know the difference between HELL AND THE LAKE OF FIRE.
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people really logically think about this bs? hahahaha wow, talk about a waste of time and what a pointless thread.cruise
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Yet we find no mention of any such fate to Adam & Eve, Cain (world's first murderer How many poor schmucks died and tumbled into its depths in that length of time, with no clue as to what was awaiting them?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8788578


Crack open a Bible!

Jude 1:7 = ETERNAL FIRE

List of people, and no God doesn't call them 'poor schmucks', in O.T. who have a reservation waiting for them in the BLACKNESS OF DARNESS FOR EVER: Jude 1:7-16

Cain, Balaam, Korah and his gang

Also -

JESUS = PERFECT LOVE = NO FEAR

WITHOUT JESUS = FEAR

Jesus said in Matt.10:28 "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather FEAR HIM WHICH IS ABLE TO DESTROY BOTH SOUL AND BODY IN HELL."

I don't know how long each God rejector will be there being destroyed... it doesn't matter.

Then he goes on to say how people can NOT FEAR, it's by CONFESSING JESUS TO MEN AS YOUR SAVIOUR IN THIS LIFE.

" Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father.

But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.

Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows.

Whoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.

But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven." Matt.10:28-33


 Quoting: Morganite


you're not listening are you?

i said:

the bible contains a multitude of passages where 'god' condones rape, human sacrifice, murder, slavery, land invasions, pillaging, etc.

the 'damned to the lake of fire for eternity' bullshit was a terror tactic used, so people would obey authority and pay taxes so roman emperors could remain powerful and wealthy.

it's all bullshit, but your early brainwashing and fear of hell, prevents you from seeing through this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 845201


So many smaterings of indignation I can't address them all. But your mis understanding is not your completly your fault but the fault of those that teach. God is going to judge the teachers first btw.

Now God commanded the Hebrews to kill off entire areas as they move out of the desert. This included all men, women, children, and even the animals. The reason was they were all nephilim hybrids at the time. You are enjoying a nephilim free life right now due to those commandments by God.

Now the torment in the presense of the lamb. That is not happening in the lake of fire. Please show me anywhere in that chapter where there is a lake of fire mentioned. No, they are going to get a righteous ass chewing by God for having fallen for satans lies. And at that time we all will have left our bodies and realized that we were born here to make a choice. A set of blinders that you worn since birth are gonna suddenly come off. Happens to everyone when they leave the flesh.

Those people's torment that goes up forever and ever as smoke. It's shame, 1000 times more shame than anyone has ever felt here in the flesh. No rest night and day. Well it's because they were not graced by the first resurrection having worked hard enough to learn the truth in this world so that they might stand against the wiles of the devil in the comming tribulation.

They are not destroyed in hell. No they get no rest because Christ is our rest and now they must be taught 24/7 for a 1000 years dicipline. People aren't going to be questioning God at this time. Because He is gonna be there to make sure everyone gets thier fair chance.

After this the devil gets loosed for time just to test those that didn't make it the first time. It is those that choose not to stand with God that will walk themselves into the lake of fire. They are not tormented forever, just burnt up and gone right there on the spot. Almighty God is a consuming fire and everyone doesnt stand with Him in the end gets to give Him one last embrace on thier way out.

After that God is going to wipe away all tears. Meaning the memory of these people that choose death over Love are gone along with any remnant of satan and his bad angels. Gone forever and we are moving on singing again as one body.
 Quoting: Brogan


i don't give a shit about a fairytale created to scare people into obedience so they will pay taxes. the moment i saw through the nonsense that is religion, was the moment all fear left my solar plexus and i feel so at peace i cannot describe it. all of this fear had been instilled in me by religion, and it had been there since i was a young boy, but now it's gone.

if i ever felt heaven, it was since rejecting religion.
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You are given a choice.

You choose.
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Who would want to be with a God for all eternity forever that they never wanted in this lifetime?

You get Your Will.

Your Will will be done.
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Again with this foolishness.

God doesn't send anyone to hell.
YOU CHOOSE TO GO THERE.


It is because of your REBELLION against God, God is giving you want you want.

A separation from Him, as YOU requested and CHOSE.

Because God is the JUDGE of ALL SIN and you REFUSED to let go of that SIN, you will fall under that judgement.

He is the creator.
He made you and gave you the freedome to CHOOSE.

YOU CHOSE.

You send yourself to hell if this is what you have desired.

When you reject the sacrifice and atonement for sin God provided through His Son, Jesus Christ so that YOU might have hope in HIM, you reject God and your sins are still with you.

Those SINS in you will be judged.
You have chosen.

In Jesus Christ.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1159544


God created men with totally fucking absurd sexual desires.

"gay people are perverts, but hey, lesbo porn turns me on".

Help me here.

I'm confused.

I love Jesus.

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so what about those he told to commit rape, human sacrifice, murder, enslave, invade lands, pillage, torture? they go to heaven, right?
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They all go to be with others just like themselves, including their god if he really told them to do that. Like attracts like in the afterlife.
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You and your father and your two older brothers are on a boat in the middle of the ocean, not a care in the world, enough supplies and fuel to relax and take it easy with all accomodations.

You all talk about having a nice swim, but your father says "I don't think it's a good idea. There's sharks, undertows, currents...all sorts of things that would kill you or take you away from me."

"Nonsense!" says your oldest brother, and jumps in the water.

"Son, I'm begging you to get back in the boat, before it's too late!"

"No way, old man! I know what I'm doing! Hey, brothers, c'mon in, it's awesome!"

Your other brother says "No thanks" and harkens to the word of the father.

You decide your oldest brother is cool and knows what he's doing, so you jump in.

As you hit the water, A strong wind starts to blow and the sky darkens.

"Get back in here now, boys!" says your father.

"It's nothing! We're having fun!" you all yell back. "WE've got time!"

Just then, a terrified look crosses your oldest brother's face and the water turns red with his blood. He's been bitten! As he struggles, he starts to pull you down with him. You look around, and the boat has been blown away, too far from rescue!

You cry out for help, but you can't be heard, and your brother is sinking fast and taking you with him.

Your father says to your brother back on the boat "There's nothing I can do for them now, I can't swim and I'm too old to fight off sharks."

"I'll do it," the younger brother says.

"But you'll get lost too"

"I may, but I'll save two of your sons by sacrificing one"

So your brother jumps in, swims out to your location and distracts the shark. He goes under and must surely be dead.

Your older brother is in bad shape and continues to pull you down.

Suddenly, a floatation device made out of shark gut floats to the surface. You grab on and you see that it has a tether. You reel in the tether and it takes you back to the boat.

Amazingly, your younger brother is back on the boat with your father, and they are both so happy to have you back!

"Where's my older brother?" you ask. "Did he make it?"

"I made a raft for him too," your younger Brother says, "But he wouldn't take it and gave me the finger as he sank to the bottom of the sea."

Your Father shook his head in sorrow.

"What an asshole," you say, and your younger brother nods emphatically.

craigtendsthread
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Crack open a Bible!

Jude 1:7 = ETERNAL FIRE

List of people, and no God doesn't call them 'poor schmucks', in O.T. who have a reservation waiting for them in the BLACKNESS OF DARNESS FOR EVER: Jude 1:7-16

Cain, Balaam, Korah and his gang

Also -

JESUS = PERFECT LOVE = NO FEAR

WITHOUT JESUS = FEAR

Jesus said in Matt.10:28 "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather FEAR HIM WHICH IS ABLE TO DESTROY BOTH SOUL AND BODY IN HELL."

I don't know how long each God rejector will be there being destroyed... it doesn't matter.

Then he goes on to say how people can NOT FEAR, it's by CONFESSING JESUS TO MEN AS YOUR SAVIOUR IN THIS LIFE.

" Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father.

But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.

Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows.

Whoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.

But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven." Matt.10:28-33


 Quoting: Morganite


you're not listening are you?

i said:

the bible contains a multitude of passages where 'god' condones rape, human sacrifice, murder, slavery, land invasions, pillaging, etc.

the 'damned to the lake of fire for eternity' bullshit was a terror tactic used, so people would obey authority and pay taxes so roman emperors could remain powerful and wealthy.

it's all bullshit, but your early brainwashing and fear of hell, prevents you from seeing through this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 845201


So many smaterings of indignation I can't address them all. But your mis understanding is not your completly your fault but the fault of those that teach. God is going to judge the teachers first btw.

Now God commanded the Hebrews to kill off entire areas as they move out of the desert. This included all men, women, children, and even the animals. The reason was they were all nephilim hybrids at the time. You are enjoying a nephilim free life right now due to those commandments by God.

Now the torment in the presense of the lamb. That is not happening in the lake of fire. Please show me anywhere in that chapter where there is a lake of fire mentioned. No, they are going to get a righteous ass chewing by God for having fallen for satans lies. And at that time we all will have left our bodies and realized that we were born here to make a choice. A set of blinders that you worn since birth are gonna suddenly come off. Happens to everyone when they leave the flesh.

Those people's torment that goes up forever and ever as smoke. It's shame, 1000 times more shame than anyone has ever felt here in the flesh. No rest night and day. Well it's because they were not graced by the first resurrection having worked hard enough to learn the truth in this world so that they might stand against the wiles of the devil in the comming tribulation.

They are not destroyed in hell. No they get no rest because Christ is our rest and now they must be taught 24/7 for a 1000 years dicipline. People aren't going to be questioning God at this time. Because He is gonna be there to make sure everyone gets thier fair chance.

After this the devil gets loosed for time just to test those that didn't make it the first time. It is those that choose not to stand with God that will walk themselves into the lake of fire. They are not tormented forever, just burnt up and gone right there on the spot. Almighty God is a consuming fire and everyone doesnt stand with Him in the end gets to give Him one last embrace on thier way out.

After that God is going to wipe away all tears. Meaning the memory of these people that choose death over Love are gone along with any remnant of satan and his bad angels. Gone forever and we are moving on singing again as one body.
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i don't give a shit about a fairytale created to scare people into obedience so they will pay taxes. the moment i saw through the nonsense that is religion, was the moment all fear left my solar plexus and i feel so at peace i cannot describe it. all of this fear had been instilled in me by religion, and it had been there since i was a young boy, but now it's gone.

if i ever felt heaven, it was since rejecting religion.
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Soothed by the ways of the east. No judgment on you bud, but the devil is the most beautiful creature Almighty God ever created. His spirit steers people away from God every day. Thats why 1/3rd fell with satan, 1/3rd did nothing, and 1/3rd stood with God in the oringinal fall.

When the blinders come off you will know what 1/3rd you were. Like I said you'll get to see Truth then having passed through this earth learning what it was like living in a world controlled by satan and being seperate from your Father get to make a choice armed with all the facts.

Gods Word is reality. The teachings and traditions of men are religions.

Blessings to you.
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You and your father and your two older brothers are on a boat in the middle of the ocean, not a care in the world, enough supplies and fuel to relax and take it easy with all accomodations.

You all talk about having a nice swim, but your father says "I don't think it's a good idea. There's sharks, undertows, currents...all sorts of things that would kill you or take you away from me."

"Nonsense!" says your oldest brother, and jumps in the water.

"Son, I'm begging you to get back in the boat, before it's too late!"

"No way, old man! I know what I'm doing! Hey, brothers, c'mon in, it's awesome!"

Your other brother says "No thanks" and harkens to the word of the father.

You decide your oldest brother is cool and knows what he's doing, so you jump in.

As you hit the water, A strong wind starts to blow and the sky darkens.

"Get back in here now, boys!" says your father.

"It's nothing! We're having fun!" you all yell back. "WE've got time!"

Just then, a terrified look crosses your oldest brother's face and the water turns red with his blood. He's been bitten! As he struggles, he starts to pull you down with him. You look around, and the boat has been blown away, too far from rescue!

You cry out for help, but you can't be heard, and your brother is sinking fast and taking you with him.

Your father says to your brother back on the boat "There's nothing I can do for them now, I can't swim and I'm too old to fight off sharks."

"I'll do it," the younger brother says.

"But you'll get lost too"

"I may, but I'll save two of your sons by sacrificing one"

So your brother jumps in, swims out to your location and distracts the shark. He goes under and must surely be dead.

Your older brother is in bad shape and continues to pull you down.

Suddenly, a floatation device made out of shark gut floats to the surface. You grab on and you see that it has a tether. You reel in the tether and it takes you back to the boat.

Amazingly, your younger brother is back on the boat with your father, and they are both so happy to have you back!

"Where's my older brother?" you ask. "Did he make it?"

"I made a raft for him too," your younger Brother says, "But he wouldn't take it and gave me the finger as he sank to the bottom of the sea."

Your Father shook his head in sorrow.

"What an asshole," you say, and your younger brother nods emphatically.

:craigtendsthread:
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I'll keep bumping this until you folk acknowledge. This is the easiest way to understand the situation we are in.
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The father created the shark, the waters, and all the other dangerous temptations?

The father had the ability to snap his fingers and instantly save his sons?

The father was the real asshole?
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Thank goodness parents don't treat their children like "god" treats his children.
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"Soothed by the ways of the east. No judgment on you bud, but the devil is the most beautiful creature Almighty God ever created. His spirit steers people away from God every day. Thats why 1/3rd fell with satan, 1/3rd did nothing, and 1/3rd stood with God in the oringinal fall.

When the blinders come off you will know what 1/3rd you were. Like I said you'll get to see Truth then having passed through this earth learning what it was like living in a world controlled by satan and being seperate from your Father get to make a choice armed with all the facts.

Gods Word is reality. The teachings and traditions of men are religions.

Blessings to you."

i don't believe in god nor satan. since the religious blinders came off, the real light entered my eyes and filled me with the most profound peace ever. this tells me religion causes serious anxiety.

i feel amazing and can't stop smiling inside.
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Thank goodness parents don't treat their children like "god" treats his children.
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By dying for them? What more can you do?
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You and your father and your two older brothers are on a boat in the middle of the ocean, not a care in the world, enough supplies and fuel to relax and take it easy with all accomodations.

You all talk about having a nice swim, but your father says "I don't think it's a good idea. There's sharks, undertows, currents...all sorts of things that would kill you or take you away from me."

"Nonsense!" says your oldest brother, and jumps in the water.

"Son, I'm begging you to get back in the boat, before it's too late!"

"No way, old man! I know what I'm doing! Hey, brothers, c'mon in, it's awesome!"

Your other brother says "No thanks" and harkens to the word of the father.

You decide your oldest brother is cool and knows what he's doing, so you jump in.

As you hit the water, A strong wind starts to blow and the sky darkens.

"Get back in here now, boys!" says your father.

"It's nothing! We're having fun!" you all yell back. "WE've got time!"

Just then, a terrified look crosses your oldest brother's face and the water turns red with his blood. He's been bitten! As he struggles, he starts to pull you down with him. You look around, and the boat has been blown away, too far from rescue!

You cry out for help, but you can't be heard, and your brother is sinking fast and taking you with him.

Your father says to your brother back on the boat "There's nothing I can do for them now, I can't swim and I'm too old to fight off sharks."

"I'll do it," the younger brother says.

"But you'll get lost too"

"I may, but I'll save two of your sons by sacrificing one"

So your brother jumps in, swims out to your location and distracts the shark. He goes under and must surely be dead.

Your older brother is in bad shape and continues to pull you down.

Suddenly, a floatation device made out of shark gut floats to the surface. You grab on and you see that it has a tether. You reel in the tether and it takes you back to the boat.

Amazingly, your younger brother is back on the boat with your father, and they are both so happy to have you back!

"Where's my older brother?" you ask. "Did he make it?"

"I made a raft for him too," your younger Brother says, "But he wouldn't take it and gave me the finger as he sank to the bottom of the sea."

Your Father shook his head in sorrow.

"What an asshole," you say, and your younger brother nods emphatically.

craigtendsthread
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I'll keep bumping this until you folk acknowledge. This is the easiest way to understand the situation we are in.
 Quoting: Lada D


The father created the shark, the waters, and all the other dangerous temptations?

The father had the ability to snap his fingers and instantly save his sons?

The father was the real asshole?
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A fundamental misunderstanding on your part. God, our Father, is not the creature of existence but a polemic byproduct of exisitence.
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"Soothed by the ways of the east. No judgment on you bud, but the devil is the most beautiful creature Almighty God ever created. His spirit steers people away from God every day. Thats why 1/3rd fell with satan, 1/3rd did nothing, and 1/3rd stood with God in the oringinal fall.

When the blinders come off you will know what 1/3rd you were. Like I said you'll get to see Truth then having passed through this earth learning what it was like living in a world controlled by satan and being seperate from your Father get to make a choice armed with all the facts.

Gods Word is reality. The teachings and traditions of men are religions.

Blessings to you."

i don't believe in god nor satan. since the religious blinders came off, the real light entered my eyes and filled me with the most profound peace ever. this tells me religion causes serious anxiety.

i feel amazing and can't stop smiling inside.
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Hey I believe you feel great. We all have our own ships to sail and lessons to learn in this world.

Hopefully we've started to dispell some of the teachings of men that make void the Word of God tonight.
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separation from Him
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No such state exists
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Jude 1:7 = ETERNAL FIRE
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This was written in the first century. And in the Greek, it's "fire of the age". I guess that's my cue to once again present a list of the symbolic uses of "fire" representing things which are not literally fire:

"Our God is a consuming fire" - Hebrews 12 (an echo of Deuteronomy 4:24)

"Is not My word like fire?" - Jeremiah 23

He makes "His ministers a flame of fire" - Hebrews 1 (also Psalm 104)

fiery trials = sharing in the sufferings of Christ - 1 Peter 4

Israel's captivity in Egypt = "an iron furnace" - Deuteronomy 4:20

A "fiery law" proceeded from God's right hand - Deuteronomy 33

God apparently set Israel "on fire", and they didn't even realize it - Isaiah 42

These are the things God subjects people to. Those of us who are believers should understand all this firsthand, *if* in fact we face our own fiery trials designed to purify us and make us more Christlike. Not everyone does, though. Most are in this to save their butts, and end up missing the entire point.


no God doesn't call them 'poor schmucks'
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He does say that "the wicked are estranged from the womb" - do you cold-hearted Pharisees really think that they chose that? I'm sure those little fetuses were like "Yeah, I want me a life of sin and denial of Christ!"

Cain, Balaam, Korah and his gang
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You seriously think that these people's accounts in scripture count as a legitimate warning that if you die in your sins you end up in endless fire? Read what God told Cain. Not one peep about a burning abyss. WTF. And Korah was swallowed up in essentially a volcanic fissure. . .so is he still alive down there, or what?


Dear Baby Jebus you people are utterly merciless. "God rejectors". . .omg.
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A just God might.
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Well, no, given that hell is supposedly endless. God's law demands that the sentence for the offense. Exodus 21 calls for an eye for an eye, tooth for tooth, and burn for burn. Jesus said we'll each receive due for our deeds. There's no going overboard - it's unlawful.

Furthermore, was Christ's sacrifice adequate, or not?
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God looks at the HUMBLE at heart.
Those who HUMBLE themselves and approach God.
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Any estimate on how many christians this disqualifies? 60%? 75%?
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If god is all-knowing, then he knew if we would go to hell or not before we were even born.

Don't give me that free-will BULLSHIT.

Either god is all-knowing, and knew what our "free will" would be, and is a sadistic asshole, or he's not all-knowing, and therefore not god.

END OF STORY

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If He loved you, then he would give you the will to do as you choose.

No matter what the consequence.

Otherwise, he would be a tyrant God, and not loving at all.

End of story!
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How many of you churchbots are parents? Do you really let your kids destroy themselves just because "they chose that"?

Now consider that scripture identifies mankind as blind and defective. Would you people really let a retarded toddler go play in traffic, because "Hey - he chose that"?! WTF kind of parenting is that?

Like Abraham asked, "Shall not the God of all the earth do right?"
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Why would Satan punish bad people when he desires people to be bad?

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