A Loving God Would Not Send Billions of People to Hell, Would He?

Our all-loving God does no sending, we choose.

I know this may not be theologically correct, but when Jesus comes to judge the living and the dead,
the folk who are in hell, whose hearts and minds he will know through and through, and maybe who have people praying for their souls (showing they were loved and must have loved some in return)
it could be that they will be released..
I like to think so, since mercy is one of God's greatest qualities.



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God is Real.
God's Word is Real.
In God's Word it says all who are not forgiven of their SIN by Jesus Christ, Son of God, will go into ETERNAL FIRE.

Have you really considered these words?

Consider them now.

The more you rebel, it does not make you right or make your situation better, but worse.

It's like when your in front of the judge for a crime.
No matter what you say, if the crime is obvious, your guilty.
Your still gonna get sentenced, because its the end of the line. You should have done what was RIGHT BEFORE you came to the Judge to be sentenced.

This is how it will be for most of the world when they meet Jesus Christ on that Judgement Day.

Do not rebel.
Seek Him with a pure and humble heart that you may know the REAL TRUTH of HIS WORD.

In Jesus Christ!

No, only an evil psychopath like Hitler or Stalin would do something like that, or wish they could.

Yes, He allows Angry,Miserable, God rejectors to go to hell, thank God he's got a place to put them along with the unrepentant Jerry Sandusky's, Hitlers, Stalins, ect!!!!!

He already has.

Very Nice - Very needed in this thread!

Angry, bro? LOL. It might help to open your heart to your loving Creator.

Did it ever occur to you that Thomas Paine could be right?

so what about those he told to commit rape, human sacrifice, murder, enslave, invade lands, pillage, torture? they go to heaven, right?

nice comeback!

But he's still wrong and we'll find out hopefully soon when Jesus returns.

He never told anyone to "commit rape, human sacrifice, murder or torture", please reference your BULLSHIT with scripture, because you won't find any such case.

As for Him telling the Israelites to go and take their land, He has every right to, BECAUSE HE IS GOD.

THE CREATOR THAT MADE EVERYTHING.

If HE can't give commandments, who can?
After all HE IS THE JUDGE OF ALL, therefore, HE used the Israelites to judge those in the land of Israel at that time because the people in there were like the people in Sodom and Gomorrah.

He also judged the Israelites many times over when they committed SIN against Him.

But He is faithful because even through all that rebellion, HE REMEMBERED HIS PROMISE and brought them back to His Word.

Bless His Holy Name!

In Jesus Christ!

He told the Israelites to completely wipe out the Cananites, who committed child sacrifice and were utterly evil. God didn't command child sacrifice... one time he suggested Abraham offer his only son, Issac as a test to demonstrate that it wasn't needed. That's why, he stopped Abraham from going thru with it and provided a ram in the thicket instead.

Animal sacrifices in the O.T. were a picture of the real Lamb of God, Jesus, that would come and be a sacrifice for sin.

i hope you have time to read the following, and that's only the tip of the ice-berg (link at bottom):

Rape In The Bible

Rape is one of the most heinous crimes imaginable. Yet few people know that the Bible often condones and even approves of rape. How anyone can get their moral guidance from a book that allows rape escapes me. Perhaps they have been lied to about the Bible and carefully detoured around all the nasty stuff in the Bible.

So grab your Bibles and follow along as I show you all the nasty rapes that your priests and preachers don't want to tell you about. Note that in many places in the Bible there are references to "taking a wife". Don't be fooled into thinking that these were voluntary marriages. This first quote clearly shows that murder and force were used to "take" these wives.

1) Murder, rape, and pillage at Jabesh-gilead (Judges 21:10-24 NLT)

So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children. "This is what you are to do," they said. "Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin." Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan.

The Israelite assembly sent a peace delegation to the little remnant of Benjamin who were living at the rock of Rimmon. Then the men of Benjamin returned to their homes, and the four hundred women of Jabesh-gilead who were spared were given to them as wives. But there were not enough women for all of them. The people felt sorry for Benjamin because the LORD had left this gap in the tribes of Israel. So the Israelite leaders asked, "How can we find wives for the few who remain, since all the women of the tribe of Benjamin are dead? There must be heirs for the survivors so that an entire tribe of Israel will not be lost forever. But we cannot give them our own daughters in marriage because we have sworn with a solemn oath that anyone who does this will fall under God's curse."

Then they thought of the annual festival of the LORD held in Shiloh, between Lebonah and Bethel, along the east side of the road that goes from Bethel to Shechem. They told the men of Benjamin who still needed wives, "Go and hide in the vineyards. When the women of Shiloh come out for their dances, rush out from the vineyards, and each of you can take one of them home to be your wife! And when their fathers and brothers come to us in protest, we will tell them, 'Please be understanding. Let them have your daughters, for we didn't find enough wives for them when we destroyed Jabesh-gilead. And you are not guilty of breaking the vow since you did not give your daughters in marriage to them.'" So the men of Benjamin did as they were told. They kidnapped the women who took part in the celebration and carried them off to the land of their own inheritance. Then they rebuilt their towns and lived in them. So the assembly of Israel departed by tribes and families, and they returned to their own homes.

Obviously these women were repeatedly raped. These sick bastards killed and raped an entire town and then wanted more virgins, so they hid beside the road to kidnap and rape some more. How can anyone see this as anything but evil?

2) Murder, rape and pillage of the Midianites (Numbers 31:7-18 NLT)

They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.

Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded. "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.

Clearly Moses and God approves of rape of virgins.

3) More Murder Rape and Pillage (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)

As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.

What kind of God approves of murder, rape, and slavery?

4) Laws of Rape (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)

If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

What kind of lunatic would make a rape victim marry her attacker? Answer: God.

5) Death to the Rape Victim (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)

If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.

It is clear that God doesn't give a damn about the rape victim. He is only concerned about the violation of another mans "property".

6) David's Punishment - Polygamy, Rape, Baby Killing, and God's "Forgiveness" (2 Samuel 12:11-14 NAB)

Thus says the Lord: 'I will bring evil upon you out of your own house. I will take your wives [plural] while you live to see it, and will give them to your neighbor. He shall lie with your wives in broad daylight. You have done this deed in secret, but I will bring it about in the presence of all Israel, and with the sun looking down.'
Then David said to Nathan, "I have sinned against the Lord." Nathan answered David: "The Lord on his part has forgiven your sin: you shall not die. But since you have utterly spurned the Lord by this deed, the child born to you must surely die." [The child dies seven days later.]

This has got to be one of the sickest quotes of the Bible. God himself brings the completely innocent rape victims to the rapist. What kind of pathetic loser would do something so evil? And then he kills a child! This is sick, really sick!

7) Rape of Female Captives (Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NAB)

"When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house. But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive's garb. After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife. However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was married to you under compulsion."

Once again God approves of forcible rape.

8) Rape and the Spoils of War (Judges 5:30 NAB)

They must be dividing the spoils they took: there must be a damsel or two for each man, Spoils of dyed cloth as Sisera's spoil, an ornate shawl or two for me in the spoil. (Judges 5:30 NAB)

9) Sex Slaves (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

10) God Assists Rape and Plunder (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)

Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst. And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city. (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)

Ritual Human Sacrifice in the Bible

(Why does God want me to burn animals and humans?)

The Bible, especially the Old Testament, is filled with numerous stories of animal and human sacrifice. God, we are told, likes the pleasing aroma of burning flesh. Animal sacrifice is much more common than human sacrifice, but both occur and are "pleasing to the Lord".

Genesis, the first book of the Bible, has Abraham preparing to sacrifice his son to God. "Take your son, your only son – yes, Isaac, whom you love so much – and go to the land of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains, which I will point out to you." (Genesis 22:1-18) Abraham takes his own son up on a mountain and builds an altar upon which to burn him. He even lies to his son and has him help build the altar. Then Abraham ties his son to the altar and puts a knife to his throat. He then hears God tell him this was just a test of his faith. However, God still wanted to smell some burnt flesh so he tells Abraham to burn a ram.

Even though he didn't kill his son, it is still an incredibly cruel and evil thing to do. If Abraham did that today he would be in jail serving a long sentence as someone's prison-bitch. It amazes me how Christians see this story as a sign of God's love. There is no love here, just pure unadulterated evil.

The first seven chapters of Leviticus have extensive rules regarding animal and food sacrifices. These offerings are supposed to be burnt so that God can smell them. If you read through these it seems clear to me that the priests were getting their followers to make a big feast for them every week. The priests were very particular about what kind of food to bring and how to prepare it.

Even more peculiar is God's obsession with first-born sons. In Exodus 13:2 the Lord said "Consecrate to me every first-born that opens the womb among Israelites, both man and beast, for it belongs to me." Later it says that you can redeem (replace) an ass with a sheep and that you must redeem a child for an unspecified price. It is clear from the context that "consecrate" means a burning sacrifice. These priests are guilty of theft and kidnapping. Since any sins in the Old Testament were punishable by death, these priests used the threat of death to extort food and money from their followers. What do we call a scum-bag that threatens to kill your kids unless you pay a ransom? A kidnapper! If these priests were alive today they would be in prison with Abraham.

However, in Leviticus 27:28-29, the Lord allows for no redemptions. "Note also that any one of his possessions which a man vows as doomed to the Lord, whether it is a human being or an animal, or a hereditary field, shall be neither sold nor ransomed; everything that is thus doomed becomes most sacred to the Lord. All human beings that are doomed lose the right to be redeemed; they must be put to death." I must admit that I am a bit confused by this contradiction, but it might only apply to slaves in your possession. Not that it makes any difference. A human sacrifice is a human sacrifice, and it is just sick.


Bible Passages About Ritual Human Sacrifice


Jephthah Burns His Daughter

"At that time the Spirit of the LORD came upon Jephthah, and he went throughout the land of Gilead and Manasseh, including Mizpah in Gilead, and led an army against the Ammonites. And Jephthah made a vow to the LORD. He said, "If you give me victory over the Ammonites, I will give to the LORD the first thing coming out of my house to greet me when I return in triumph. I will sacrifice it as a burnt offering."

"So Jephthah led his army against the Ammonites, and the LORD gave him victory. He thoroughly defeated the Ammonites from Aroer to an area near Minnith – twenty towns – and as far away as Abel-keramim. Thus Israel subdued the Ammonites. When Jephthah returned home to Mizpah, his daughter – his only child – ran out to meet him, playing on a tambourine and dancing for joy. When he saw her, he tore his clothes in anguish. "My daughter!" he cried out. "My heart is breaking! What a tragedy that you came out to greet me. For I have made a vow to the LORD and cannot take it back." And she said, "Father, you have made a promise to the LORD. You must do to me what you have promised, for the LORD has given you a great victory over your enemies, the Ammonites. But first let me go up and roam in the hills and weep with my friends for two months, because I will die a virgin." "You may go," Jephthah said. And he let her go away for two months. She and her friends went into the hills and wept because she would never have children. When she returned home, her father kept his vow, and she died a virgin. So it has become a custom in Israel for young Israelite women to go away for four days each year to lament the fate of Jephthah's daughter." (Judges 11:29-40 NLT)


God Commands Burning Humans

[The Lord speaking] "The one who has stolen what was set apart for destruction will himself be burned with fire, along with everything he has, for he has broken the covenant of the LORD and has done a horrible thing in Israel." (Joshua 7:15 NLT)


Josiah and Human Sacrifice

At the LORD's command, a man of God from Judah went to Bethel, and he arrived there just as Jeroboam was approaching the altar to offer a sacrifice. Then at the LORD's command, he shouted, "O altar, altar! This is what the LORD says: A child named Josiah will be born into the dynasty of David. On you he will sacrifice the priests from the pagan shrines who come here to burn incense, and human bones will be burned on you." (1 Kings 13:1-2 NLT)

He [Josiah] executed the priests of the pagan shrines on their own altars, and he burned human bones on the altars to desecrate them. Finally, he returned to Jerusalem. King Josiah then issued this order to all the people: "You must celebrate the Passover to the LORD your God, as it is written in the Book of the Covenant." There had not been a Passover celebration like that since the time when the judges ruled in Israel, throughout all the years of the kings of Israel and Judah. This Passover was celebrated to the LORD in Jerusalem during the eighteenth year of King Josiah's reign. Josiah also exterminated the mediums and psychics, the household gods, and every other kind of idol worship, both in Jerusalem and throughout the land of Judah. He did this in obedience to all the laws written in the scroll that Hilkiah the priest had found in the LORD's Temple. Never before had there been a king like Josiah, who turned to the LORD with all his heart and soul and strength, obeying all the laws of Moses. And there has never been a king like him since. (2 Kings 23:20-25 NLT)

Human Sacrifice

Chastised a little, they shall be greatly blessed, because God tried them and found them worthy of himself. As gold in the furnace, he proved them, and as sacrificial offerings he took them to himself. In the time of their visitation they shall shine, and shall dart about as sparks through stubble; (Wisdom 3:5-7 NAB The Book of The Wisdom of Solomon is mostly in Catholic versions of the Bible.)


Child Sacrifice

And this became a hidden trap for mankind, because men, in bondage to misfortune or to royal authority, bestowed on objects of stone or wood the name that ought not to be shared. Afterward it was not enough for them to err about the knowledge of God, but they live in great strife due to ignorance, and they call such great evils peace. For whether they kill children in their initiations, or celebrate secret mysteries, or hold frenzied revels with strange customs… (Wisdom 14:21-23 RSV) The Book of The Wisdom of Solomon is mostly in Catholic versions of the Bible. This passage condemns human sacrifice but acknowledges that it did happen by early God worshipers.


Humans are Fuel for Fire

As for you, son of man, prophesy: Thus says the Lord GOD against the Ammonites and their insults: A sword, a sword is drawn for slaughter, burnished to consume and to flash lightning, because you planned with false visions and lying divinations to lay it on the necks of depraved and wicked men whose day has come when their crimes are at an end. Return it to its sheath! In the place where you were created, in the land of your origin, I will judge you. I will pour out my indignation upon you, breathing my fiery wrath upon you, I will hand you over to ravaging men, artisans of destruction. You shall be fuel for the fire, your blood shall flow throughout the land. You shall not be remembered, for I, the LORD, have spoken. (Ezekiel 21:33-37 NAB)


Burn Nonbelievers

"Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)


So the next time some Christian tells you about the "love of God", show them this page and ask them "Why does God want me to burn animals and humans?"

[link to www.evilbible.com]

Hey cousin from across the pond,

I think this site will help, there's a lot of great info.

[link to www.godandscience.org]

Sinners are UNABLE to see or enter the Kingdom of God.

Thus, without God they are in hell.




:colorbump:

Go by what the bible says, not by what men say.

THIS WAS YOUR LIFE!... [link to www.chick.com]

Here's where your Wrong! It's not Obvious! It explicitly says the purpose was to get Wives... to Marry ...Stick with the text... Open your own Bible and don't Assume a website is true when it ADDs CONJECTURE!

In every case you mentioned above,

GOD is bringing judgement on the people of the land that have been in continual SIN against Him by doing abhorrent things.

I believe to God, these are already marked as being "dead" just like what happened in Sodom and Gomorrah.

And if you see case by case scenario of the places the Israelites took over, sometimes they were commanded to kill everything and burn it to the ground, signifying the depth of SIN these people were committing against the Lord.

Other times, children and women were spared and perhaps in these cases it was not such a severe case.

Remember the same things happened to ISRAEL when the Babylonians took them captive and also when the Romans invaded and many other times.

Men will do evil.
Men's hearts were even more hard and cruel in these times and so the LAW God had given them fit the hardness in the hearts of men. Remember the eye for eye rule?

And this is the crux of it.

If God allowed the sinners like these to come under such a FATE as you have listed here and the fates of Sodom and Gomorrah and even HE wiped out all the peoples with the flood during Noah's time and only spared Noah and his family.

WHY DO YOU THINK HE WILL NOT SEND THOSE WITH SIN TO ETERNAL FIRE?

YOU people are so naive.

HEAR the LORD!
And with FEAR come to Him and REPENT!
And in repentence find the PEACE and LOVE of His Son, who protects all those who come to Him in Humility and brokeness of heart for in Him you will find TRUTH and LOVE and ETERNAL COMPASSION.

But you who keep rebelling and denying God.
Keep doing so at your own peril.

For you yourself have said what the Lord was willing to allow to those who were SINFUL and CONTINUED TO LIVE IN SIN.

How much MORE will YOU BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE who had His very SON sent to you to tell you the way to TRUTH in HIM?

In Jesus Christ!

No, Moses and God approve of letting innocents live and be taken care of in the households of the Israelites.... ever read about the servant girl living in the house of Naaman?

Clearly, from the text, God does not Condone or Command Rape!

You and your father and your two older brothers are on a boat in the middle of the ocean, not a care in the world, enough supplies and fuel to relax and take it easy with all accomodations.

You all talk about having a nice swim, but your father says "I don't think it's a good idea. There's sharks, undertows, currents...all sorts of things that would kill you or take you away from me."

"Nonsense!" says your oldest brother, and jumps in the water.

"Son, I'm begging you to get back in the boat, before it's too late!"

"No way, old man! I know what I'm doing! Hey, brothers, c'mon in, it's awesome!"

Your other brother says "No thanks" and harkens to the word of the father.

You decide your oldest brother is cool and knows what he's doing, so you jump in.

As you hit the water, A strong wind starts to blow and the sky darkens.

"Get back in here now, boys!" says your father.

"It's nothing! We're having fun!" you all yell back. "WE've got time!"

Just then, a terrified look crosses your oldest brother's face and the water turns red with his blood. He's been bitten! As he struggles, he starts to pull you down with him. You look around, and the boat has been blown away, too far from rescue!

You cry out for help, but you can't be heard, and your brother is sinking fast and taking you with him.

Your father says to your brother back on the boat "There's nothing I can do for them now, I can't swim and I'm too old to fight off sharks."

"I'll do it," the younger brother says.

"But you'll get lost too"

"I may, but I'll save two of your sons by sacrificing one"

So your brother jumps in, swims out to your location and distracts the shark. He goes under and must surely be dead.

Your older brother is in bad shape and continues to pull you down.

Suddenly, a floatation device made out of shark gut floats to the surface. You grab on and you see that it has a tether. You reel in the tether and it takes you back to the boat.

Amazingly, your younger brother is back on the boat with your father, and they are both so happy to have you back!

"Where's my older brother?" you ask. "Did he make it?"

"I made a raft for him too," your younger Brother says, "But he wouldn't take it and gave me the finger as he sank to the bottom of the sea."

Your Father shook his head in sorrow.

"What an asshole," you say, and your younger brother nods emphatically.

There will not be a single atheist in hell.

err, get wives by force lol if i take your daughter against her will, take her away and force her to 'marry' me, is that ok? lol

you also didn't read everything because you're too chicken shit. you bailed because the truth is too shocking to face.

Let it be said: God is a cataract. Remove the imperfection which hinders your sight, and be like I, who is of great worth.

--Your Humiliation

A righteous God who offered a resolution for all sin through Jesus Christ just might. He will.

Learn about the society at that time... It was necessary for a woman to be under a man's roof who had to provide for her... either a husband or remain in the father's house.

This is God's protection of the woman, so she would be provided for and gain the respectability and rights that came from marriage.

It's also God's punishment for the man in that type of society because he was 'stuck' with providing and taking care of her.

The latter case is obvious, It was consentual because the girl didn't 'cry out for help'... this is fornication, you know sex outside of marriage and the penalty was stoning for Both.

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fucking brainwashed idiot, seeing shit through rose tinted glasses. take em off and read em all properly.

the bible is bullshit. if you were a jew or muslim, then christianity would be wrong lol

i'm through debating with a brainwashed cult member.

poor bastard.

Yes, I did read everything, and yes, that's the way it was done in that very different time and particular situation.

God is good, loving and caring, try to read it from your own Bible and thru the lense of the customs of that day and time instead of this culture in 2012.

I'll keep bumping this until you folk acknowledge. This is the easiest way to understand the situation we are in.