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As a Jew I have to say we never claimed to be favored by god

 
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You have not been favoured, but chosen, to bear the burden of crucifying your Messiah,
who chose to be born into your tribe.

Really, I bow down to you.
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were you always a religitard, or this this a new thing for you?
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Yes, there is a general agreement as to the defining choseness within judaism. The atheist jews would of course have their defination to , probably against the very idea that god is in dialogue directly with man so they would refute the idea that the ideal of jews is to keep torah. But never have i heard a rabbi say those gentiles are lower because were chosen. And in most synagogues ive been to id be kicked out in minutes for coming out with such prejudice.
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[link to en.wikipedia.org]


In Judaism, "chosenness" is the belief that the Jews are the chosen people, chosen to be in a covenant with God. This idea is first found in the Torah (the five books of Moses, which are also included in the Christian Bible) and is elaborated on in later books of the Hebrew Bible. Much is written about these topics in rabbinic literature. The three largest Jewish denominations—Orthodox Judaism, Conservative Judaism and Reform Judaism—maintain the belief that the Jews have been chosen by God for a purpose.


for a jew you dont seam to know fuck all about the torah or the tulmud.

idiot.
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I don't believe you. Show me or quote me some scriptures that say they are the chosen ones.

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You have not been favoured, but chosen, to bear the burden of crucifying your Messiah,
who chose to be born into your tribe.

Really, I bow down to you.
 Quoting: K.Kool


were you always a religitard, or this this a new thing for you?
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Old and new, but I like the new better, even if I cop more shit for it.
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Re: As a Jew I have to say we never claimed to be favored by god
You have not been favoured, but chosen, to bear the burden of crucifying your Messiah,
who chose to be born into your tribe.

Really, I bow down to you.
 Quoting: K.Kool


were you always a religitard, or this this a new thing for you?
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Old and new, but I like the new better, even if I cop more shit for it.
 Quoting: K.Kool


slaphim snap out of it. ROFL
you don't a book to tell you what to think.
jussain..
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we believe that gentiles are able to attain spiritual greatness . I would divulge more. But as everyone wants to hear the fantasy version of judaism i dont see why i should. Bottom line is this there are jews who stick up for palestines and you need to get this into your heads. There may be zionists who are supremacists. But there are also many who have compassion and a healthy dose of realism.
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Re: As a Jew I have to say we never claimed to be favored by god
You have not been favoured, but chosen, to bear the burden of crucifying your Messiah,
who chose to be born into your tribe.

Really, I bow down to you.
 Quoting: K.Kool


were you always a religitard, or this this a new thing for you?
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Old and new, but I like the new better, even if I cop more shit for it.
 Quoting: K.Kool


slaphim snap out of it. ROFL
you don't a book to tell you what to think.
jussain..
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Oh don't worry, my head isn't always in a book, I let it out to free range too.

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I am a jew and I have a very good Palestinian friend. Jews are not out to get non-jews. That is all lie and bullshit being spread by the haters. I live a normal life, I have a wife and kids and work 9-5. I know of no stupid jewish conspiracy that I constantly read on this site. I don't think I am better than anyone else and neither do 99% of the jews I know. I am sure there are the percentage that are bad just like there is in every group. Peace
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You have not been favoured, but chosen, to bear the burden of crucifying your Messiah,
who chose to be born into your tribe.

Really, I bow down to you.
 Quoting: K.Kool


wow...just wow....
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I am a jew and I have a very good Palestinian friend. Jews are not out to get non-jews. That is all lie and bullshit being spread by the haters. I live a normal life, I have a wife and kids and work 9-5. I know of no stupid jewish conspiracy that I constantly read on this site. I don't think I am better than anyone else and neither do 99% of the jews I know. I am sure there are the percentage that are bad just like there is in every group. Peace
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hf
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You have not been favoured, but chosen, to bear the burden of crucifying your Messiah,
who chose to be born into your tribe.

Really, I bow down to you.
 Quoting: K.Kool


wow...just wow....
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Is that 'wow' in a bad way or a good way?
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Please anyone new to this do your basic research. Judaism doesnt teach that were favored by god. On the contrary it teachs us that we will have a hardtime for ethnic reasons as well as the fact that we are meant to keep to the commandments and mitzvot - good deeds. We are taught that we are a stubborn and rebellious tribe. We are also taught that gentiles arent lowly creatures on the contrary they have it easier as they were not asked to guard and keep the torah. We dont meet and talk shit about the goys. We view them as equals on earth. We do stick to our own i will admit to this - and i have to add that neo nazis make it more viable to do this. You need to stop spreading disinfo. Im a zionist and the shit the israeli government is doing to palestinians although, sad , war is nevera pretty sight. However, its not a holocaust. Now spread your lies neo nazi trash. But remember this there is real suffering and death in this world. Namely, iraq 500 thousand kids killed. If you must, then go on pro palestinian marchs, dont be an arm chair warrior. And remember most jews are ordinary people just trying to survive.
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I agree with this.
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Please anyone new to this do your basic research. Judaism doesnt teach that were favored by god. On the contrary it teachs us that we will have a hardtime for ethnic reasons as well as the fact that we are meant to keep to the commandments and mitzvot - good deeds. We are taught that we are a stubborn and rebellious tribe. We are also taught that gentiles arent lowly creatures on the contrary they have it easier as they were not asked to guard and keep the torah. We dont meet and talk shit about the goys. We view them as equals on earth. We do stick to our own i will admit to this - and i have to add that neo nazis make it more viable to do this. You need to stop spreading disinfo. Im a zionist and the shit the israeli government is doing to palestinians although, sad , war is nevera pretty sight. However, its not a holocaust. Now spread your lies neo nazi trash. But remember this there is real suffering and death in this world. Namely, iraq 500 thousand kids killed. If you must, then go on pro palestinian marchs, dont be an arm chair warrior. And remember most jews are ordinary people just trying to survive.
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You're a khazarian edomite.
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Please anyone new to this do your basic research. Judaism doesnt teach that were favored by god. On the contrary it teachs us that we will have a hardtime for ethnic reasons as well as the fact that we are meant to keep to the commandments and mitzvot - good deeds. We are taught that we are a stubborn and rebellious tribe. We are also taught that gentiles arent lowly creatures on the contrary they have it easier as they were not asked to guard and keep the torah. We dont meet and talk shit about the goys. We view them as equals on earth. We do stick to our own i will admit to this - and i have to add that neo nazis make it more viable to do this. You need to stop spreading disinfo. Im a zionist and the shit the israeli government is doing to palestinians although, sad , war is nevera pretty sight. However, its not a holocaust. Now spread your lies neo nazi trash. But remember this there is real suffering and death in this world. Namely, iraq 500 thousand kids killed. If you must, then go on pro palestinian marchs, dont be an arm chair warrior. And remember most jews are ordinary people just trying to survive.
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You're a khazarian edomite.
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And you are scum of the earth
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I am jewish zionist who has a more realistic perspective. Agreed that taking over land on the premise of religon is wrong. But thats how things go in this world. I think most youngsters have served time in israeli army. Orthodox refuse. With so many youngsters in the army they are putting their life on the line just to be in israel. To have a somewhat normal life. I do feel alot safer knowing if i had to escape because anti jewry was on the rise that i could go to israel. Although it wouldnt sit easy with me knowing my neighbours were majorly pissed . Id want a more fair israel. A more peaceful one. I dont think the orthodox are realistic . They believe we should disperse amoung nations, standing out in character and looks. Well, thats tough. I mean when the shit hits the fan, jews do get the blame. so id rather have an escape route incase yoyou neo nazis get exiteable. and i love my people so much.
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The Bible records God choosing the twelve tribes of Israel. This lasted until Jesus. So what the Jews teach today is in error and not even relevant, until they accept the Messiah, like anyone else.

Also they did not create Israel the state, that was London Freemasons & Jesuits. The reason for this was the Jesuit's false theology.

[link to www.reformation.org]

[link to www.aloha.net]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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I have to respectfully disagree OP. This may be the way you feel, and the way you were taught, but you are mistaken.

"YHWH proclaims the Nation of Israel, known originally as the Children of Israel, as his "treasured people out of all the people on the face of the earth" (Deuteronomy 7:6)"
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

And one can easily find scores of concrete examples of the idea of chosen-ism among the Jews, in their religious texts, Rabbinical writings, and the musings of every-day Jews.

But Jews are certainly not alone in the belief that they are somehow special in God's eyes. I'd challenge anyone to find a modern day monotheistic religion that doesn't say they are favored. Each of these religions, as far as I know, feels that they are favored, as they alone have the correct beliefs.

According to the same wiki page quoted above, the Seventh-day Adventists believe because they are special they were chosen by God to proclaim the angels' messages of Revelation to the world. Rastafari, mormons...lotsa folk feel that way about their beliefs.
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My point is i want peace and my sympathies are with palestinians. And any attempts to stop peace from either side, with hamas or the israeli govenment i condon as a zionist. Zionism isnt just the hope of us as a chosen people returning to israel now, its also the hope that one day that all jews are able to practice their beliefs and ideals in a a civilised israel. And yes, it includes coinhabiting with those of other faiths . But with a govening jewish body. The zionism you see now,which the orthodox also dislike maybe for similar reasons is one built upon the panic and fears of the jewish circumstance. Anything, built on this will be unstable.
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Yep most monotheistic religons do have this choseness stance.
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You're not a jew, you're a semite (maybe).

Big, fucking difference.
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"YHWH proclaims the Nation of Israel, known originally as the Children of Israel, as his "treasured people out of all the people on the face of the earth" (Deuteronomy 7:6)"
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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The 2 tribes of Judah broke off from the "Nation of Israel" and became the "Nation of Judah". That would make the 10 lost tribes the chosen ones. There were no Jews in the Lost 10 tribes. The Israel of today should have been named "Judah".

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That's a good one you lizard bastard!
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It's impossible to convince the world to like Israel, like the Jews or like Christians. The world is controlled by the adversary. The existence of Israel fulfills Biblical prophecy and thus is an abomination to those that hate God. So the hatred is inflamed by fallen angels who always try to goad anyone who will listen to destroy any evidence of the creator in his creation. (Good luck with that)

So they have to go through the usual cycle of inflaming their hate and then going on pogroms and throwing christians to the lions and trying to wipe out Israel. This in turn arouses God to anger and the poor unbeliever get's himself destroyed for no reason.

Secular Jews are particularly blind to the agitation of spiritual forces against them. Religious Jews have to learn to overcome their own prejudices, in the face of massive hatred and unreasoning intolerance. They have to take the higher ground spiritually and even love their fallen Gentile brethren.

The role of the Jew is to maintain God's temple on earth and to bring forth the Messiah. This is a hard burden and God has given additional laws and requirements on those to whom this burden has been placed. It has rewards as well of course.

I just thank God I am under the new covenant, the covenant of Christ. I surely could not handle the various intricacies of the law. The new covenant cuts to the chase though in it's call to love our fellow man.
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In Judaism, "chosenness" is the belief that the Jews are the chosen people, chosen to be in a covenant with God. This idea is first found in the Torah (the five books of Moses, which are also included in the Christian Bible) and is elaborated on in later books of the Hebrew Bible. Much is written about these topics in rabbinic literature. The three largest Jewish denominations—Orthodox Judaism, Conservative Judaism and Reform Judaism—maintain the belief that the Jews have been chosen by God for a purpose.


for a jew you dont seam to know fuck all about the torah or the tulmud.

idiot.
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I don't believe you. Show me or quote me some scriptures that say they are the chosen ones.

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You're joking, right!?

If you're really that ignorant, just Google "revisionisthistory.org Talmud." There are TONS of quotes from the Babylonian Talmud to prove the point.
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I am a jew and I have a very good Palestinian friend. Jews are not out to get non-jews. That is all lie and bullshit being spread by the haters. I live a normal life, I have a wife and kids and work 9-5. I know of no stupid jewish conspiracy that I constantly read on this site. I don't think I am better than anyone else and neither do 99% of the jews I know. I am sure there are the percentage that are bad just like there is in every group. Peace
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OK, so you're a 3rd-degree Jew who has never read the Talmud. In other words, you're Jewish but you're also CLUELESS.
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You have not been favoured, but chosen, to bear the burden of crucifying your Messiah,
who chose to be born into your tribe.

Really, I bow down to you.
 Quoting: K.Kool


FALSE,, they await another...
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A PLEA FOR MOSHIACH

BY APOLLO


Studies of the Hebrew Prophecies..


Moshiach is Hebrew for Messiah. Moshiach means the “the anointed one" in Hebrew. And it is a core belief in Judaism, but seldom learned by Christians of the West. Those that have faith in Moshiach feel it as strongly as Christians have faith in Jesus. The jewish people do not believe Jesus was the Messiah, rather they see the future Savior of Mankind as a great teacher, King and Soldier of Righteousness, "Tzedek" that influences our lives directly, making abudance touch wherever he touches and blessings to shower our material world and build his temple "Beit HaMikdash" We do not have to wait to out death to ever have hope of seeing Moshiach, Moshiach will not appear to us after we pass this earthly time, He is to come while humanity is alive and calling out !

"Tikkun Olam" is the healing of the world in the world to come, "Olam Habah"

You do not have to be a Jew to let Moshiach bless your life, cause he will free mankind into a state of bliss knowing their creator G-d who cannot have a name, He is the infallible one, the one whose name. (HaShem) is beyond our limited understand, but we may draw close to him none the less. He does not cast souls into hell. forbid the study of stars, nor say this earth is beyond redemption, G-d wants us to be happy now ! And enjoy the fruitages of earth now !

Here is the Belief number 12 of the Mainmonides Thirteen Principles of Faith That speaks of Moshiach

Principle XII. The era of the Messiah

And this is to believe that in truth that he will come and that you should be waiting for him even though he delays in coming. And you should not calculate times for him to come, or to look in the verses of Tanach to see when he should come. The sages say: The wisdom of those who calculate times [of his coming] is small and that you should believe that he will be greater and more honored than all of the kings of Israel since the beginning of time as it is prophesied by all the prophets from Moses our teacher, peace be upon him, until Malachi, peace be upon him. And he who doubts or diminishes the greatness of the Messiah is a denier in all the Torah for it testifies to the Messiah explicitly in the portion of Bilam and the portion of “You are gathered (towards the end of Deut)”. And part of this principle that there is no king of Israel except from the house of David and from the seed of Solomon alone. And anyone who disputes this regarding this family is a denier of the name of God and in all the words of the prophets.

Heaven is here on earth, The Tanach describes the temple.in II Chronicles.

3:3- "The length by cubits after the ancient measure was threescore cubits, and the breadth twenty cubits".
3:4- "And the porch that was before the house, the length of it, according to the breadth of the house, was twenty cubits, and the height a hundred and twenty; and he overlaid it within with pure gold."

And likewise , we shall have beautiful sound homes and dwelling places and food and peace when the Moshiach touches our lives and blesses us with the bounty. God did not want us to lack in anything .

QOUTE:

In every generation there is a scion of the House of David who has the potential to be the Moshiach



-Apollo
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That's true! Jews appear to be more favored by Satan.
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israel is aprtheid

they are cold, cruel, heartless mother fuckers when it comes to palestinians.

fuck israel
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Im a zionist. So yes, i believe israel is the homeland of jews. Nevermind paying the rent. After, the holocaust the pressure was at its maxuo find somewhere for jews. Hence, the british agreeing to let their palestinian territories be ours. Nasty is the way id describe any war and certianly its an unfair treatment . But not the worst fate for them. As palestines simply wont agree to an jewish state truthfully, it think they should be deported temporarily to egypt. When a humane way of living has been provided for them instead of ghettos, so they are able to build themselves. Then they should return but with greater eqtality as to the running of israel itself. In other words as jews were reinbursed for the terrible loss of home and resources, so should the palestinians be. Im am not a shill. Im passing on what i was taught by my rabbi and that is that our choseness has nothing to do with supremacy. Maybe some jews feel better or what ever but were taught that in being jewish we have it tough. Secondly, i am in convenant with god . And again its not this choseness that you defined . Its only to do with keeping torah laws.
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if youre in an exclusive covenant with your god you can paint it any way you want, but the implications are obvious, that everyone else is unfit and unworthy of competing with you for anything as you claim a sanction, which is the tenor and tone of the talmud which as excuse and obfuscated as it is, for some reason is in every observant home and temple even today.

You dont represent for anyone but yourself, BUT if you were sincere it would be no less than exactly like some muzzie claiming that the koran, the hadiths and the life of mudhummud dont actually represent for islum, ie, not fking possible or plausible

Like the muzzies which appropriated your own beliefs with only minor changes regarding membership, youre attempting to have it both ways, the entitlement to loot any other as you see fit, but claiming victim status at every turn

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