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What is the Worst State(s) to be in When TSHTF?

 
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Depends on the type of shit my friend
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Come north asap.

And bring your guns.
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I'll bet a lot of people will try to cross the border.
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What state or states do folks deem the worst to be in and why...?
 Quoting: Uke


That entirely depends on what kind of SHTF doom it is.

There is no ONE single answer.
 Quoting: Burt Gummer


My thoughts exactly

Time of year, too. Something that knocks out the power grid is going to be very hard on Northern states in the winter, but the summer would be a really bad time to be in a desert.

There are also going to be parts of less-safe states that are safer than parts of "safe" states. There are more rural areas of California that are GREAT for survival, with a reasonably temperate climate year round, meaning little temperature-related survival stress and a long growing season. I'd much rather be in far Northern California, say 20 miles inland to avoid the tsuami risk, than in Wyoming. But within reasonable walking distance of LA is probably a bad idea.
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The state of new jack city aka Gotham which includes the boswash corridor.

why .... if you have to ask you won't live more than an hour when the power goes out.
 Quoting: Mr. Toppit


I want to know what everyone thinks are the worst ststes to be in. In my opinion, they are New York, New Jersey, Delaware, Connecticut, Texas, California.
Texas is probably onwe of the worst because of it's proximity to Mexico, when it goes down, there will be thousands of Mexicans coming up here and scavenging, not to mention all the illegals currently here, that and there's 22 million people here.
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New York? No. Much of NY State is rural and mountainous, which could be beneficial, and it borders Canada, which could be beneficial too.

New York state is not New York city.

Florida would likely be the worst for obvious reasons. Not least is a high percentage of "felons", shall we say. Along with its geographical considerations.
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A STATE OF SHOCK, STAY READY!
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What state or states do folks deem the worst to be in and why...?
 Quoting: Uke


That entirely depends on what kind of SHTF doom it is.

There is no ONE single answer.
 Quoting: Burt Gummer


My thoughts exactly

Time of year, too. Something that knocks out the power grid is going to be very hard on Northern states in the winter, but the summer would be a really bad time to be in a desert.

There are also going to be parts of less-safe states that are safer than parts of "safe" states. There are more rural areas of California that are GREAT for survival, with a reasonably temperate climate year round, meaning little temperature-related survival stress and a long growing season. I'd much rather be in far Northern California, say 20 miles inland to avoid the tsuami risk, than in Wyoming. But within reasonable walking distance of LA is probably a bad idea.
 Quoting: AlkaliDesert


Depends how well you are situated in the north. There are some areas up there to me, would be the best places to be, like north-central Washington state, central Idaho, or the Olympic peninsula of WA state.
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The state of new jack city aka Gotham which includes the boswash corridor.

why .... if you have to ask you won't live more than an hour when the power goes out.
 Quoting: Mr. Toppit


I want to know what everyone thinks are the worst ststes to be in. In my opinion, they are New York, New Jersey, Delaware, Connecticut, Texas, California.
Texas is probably onwe of the worst because of it's proximity to Mexico, when it goes down, there will be thousands of Mexicans coming up here and scavenging, not to mention all the illegals currently here, that and there's 22 million people here.
 Quoting: Uke


New York? No. Much of NY State is rural and mountainous, which could be beneficial, and it borders Canada, which could be beneficial too.

New York state is not New York city.

Florida would likely be the worst for obvious reasons. Not least is a high percentage of "felons", shall we say. Along with its geographical considerations.
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Where do you think the millions of people in NYC are giong to migrate to? They aren't going to go to New Jersey.
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If you are well prepared for the rough winters, I'd go with Alaska or Wyoming.

Alaska or Wyoming, you could disappear in those places.

But asking what "state" is wrong, as a state covers too vast an area.

No where near a major city, that's obvious.
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When TSHTF all rational and experience based decision making will be of no use. Weather patterns, support systems, animal behavior and migration patterns, and basic human civility will be dramaticly altered.

Who will have resources you can use? Are you willing to steal and murder to survive? The military industrial complex will most certainly field their forces to secure their resourses, if you could pick of the unalert stragglers of military units you could use their weapons and ammunition as well as whatever functional tech they might have. Concentrate on being outside of large groups and not being seen or detected. In a fight for survival the enemy who is never seen is the most effective at living to fight another day, are you willing to be that enemy?

Focus your efforts on states with strong military presence, and strike from cover and concealment, move at night or in the shadows and hide where most people don't want to go. Hope that most tech is destroyed and remain on the move, never staying in one place more than a couple of days and not returning to places you have been

Even so, survival most likely short lived, people will turn on one another, and those currently in power will remain to rule. Why would you want to survive to live in what's comeing anyway?
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The state of new jack city aka Gotham which includes the boswash corridor.

why .... if you have to ask you won't live more than an hour when the power goes out.
 Quoting: Mr. Toppit


I want to know what everyone thinks are the worst ststes to be in. In my opinion, they are New York, New Jersey, Delaware, Connecticut, Texas, California.
Texas is probably onwe of the worst because of it's proximity to Mexico, when it goes down, there will be thousands of Mexicans coming up here and scavenging, not to mention all the illegals currently here, that and there's 22 million people here.
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New York? No. Much of NY State is rural and mountainous, which could be beneficial, and it borders Canada, which could be beneficial too.

New York state is not New York city.

Florida would likely be the worst for obvious reasons. Not least is a high percentage of "felons", shall we say. Along with its geographical considerations.
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Where do you think the millions of people in NYC are giong to migrate to? They aren't going to go to New Jersey.
 Quoting: Uke


They are going to be screwed like anyone else in a big city.

The routes north from NYC would be Fubar very quick.

Actually Jersey is in a much more precarious position, as it's directly across the river.

Not sure how familiar you are with the area.
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Remember, if CERN fails, the world has an estimated 60 seconds to live. So, if TSHTF, you need somewhere where you can see or do something wonderful in 60 seconds.

..Or, you need to be somewhere close to where aliens just might rescue you, because you've go SH1T ALL hope of survival otherwise.
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What state or states do folks deem the worst to be in and why...?
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That entirely depends on what kind of SHTF doom it is.

There is no ONE single answer.
 Quoting: Burt Gummer


I would think you'd want to get as far away from other people as possible. Places where the masses aren't going to be migrating to. I think this would apply to most every doom scenario.
 Quoting: Uke


Not true.

In some scenarios, small communities of people sharing resources, and having specialized tasks within those communities, will be much stronger than one (or one family) going it alone.
 Quoting: Burt Gummer


I disagree, too many "small communities" in one area or region could spell trouble -either between community members, or raids by the Feds (or the UN troops, or whoever thinks their in charge)
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Liquid or vapor, maybe plasma, but definitely not solid. Too conspicuous.
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That entirely depends on what kind of SHTF doom it is.

There is no ONE single answer.
 Quoting: Burt Gummer


I would think you'd want to get as far away from other people as possible. Places where the masses aren't going to be migrating to. I think this would apply to most every doom scenario.
 Quoting: Uke


Not true.

In some scenarios, small communities of people sharing resources, and having specialized tasks within those communities, will be much stronger than one (or one family) going it alone.
 Quoting: Burt Gummer


I disagree, too many "small communities" in one area or region could spell trouble -either between community members, or raids by the Feds (or the UN troops, or whoever thinks their in charge)
 Quoting: Uke


You are talking an UBER MAD MAX scenario.....which is HIGHLY improbable.
AND... still in that case.....safety is in communities and numbers for defensive...and offensive reasons.
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Anywhere on a coastline or close to a nuclear facility or major river....North Texas or central US is the best place to be in my opinion....of course I live in Texas too so I might be a little partial... lol
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There's nothing here! There's no trees, no water, scorpions, snakes, and it's hot enough to kill you in the summer!
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Get thyself to East Texas ASAP if it goes down.

Still hot, still inhabited by venomous reptiles, but you will have water, trees & tillable soil.
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Wisconsin is surrounded by nuke plants, a couple of which are among the oldest in the US.
Not a good place to be for a few different SHTF scenarios.
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I'm in Texas right now (not where I wanted to be at this particular moment in history) -fortunately far enough outside a major metro area where I would be relatively safe for a little while anyway. I think Texas is probably one of the worst places to be when the dollar collapse happens. I'm hoping it holds off until I can get back to my home state of Washington in the spring.

What state or states do folks deem the worst to be in and why...?

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doode, if any state survive it will be Texas
only state that can make it on its own
besides , it would be great opportunity to secede from the union
dollar collapse ? who gives the f#ck
we will have our own currency
sitting on s#it load of oil
have access to the sea and mexico

goodnews
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Depends how well you are situated in the north. There are some areas up there to me, would be the best places to be, like north-central Washington state, central Idaho, or the Olympic peninsula of WA state.
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Those areas would still have a lot of trouble if the power grid went out during a cold winter. Some of them also have potential water supply issues, and a relatively short growing season.

I'll agree that they're probably better than Wyoming as far as that goes, though :) And that it's easier to prep for those sort of difficulties than it would be in a more temperate but more populated area.

(The climate where I live is not really all that different from central Washington, so I obviously don't think it's impossible.)

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I'm in Texas right now (not where I wanted to be at this particular moment in history) -fortunately far enough outside a major metro area where I would be relatively safe for a little while anyway. I think Texas is probably one of the worst places to be when the dollar collapse happens. I'm hoping it holds off until I can get back to my home state of Washington in the spring.

What state or states do folks deem the worst to be in and why...?

 Quoting: Uke


doode, if any state survive it will be Texas
only state that can make it on its own
besides , it would be great opportunity to secede from the union
dollar collapse ? who gives the f#ck
we will have our own currency
sitting on s#it load of oil
have access to the sea and mexico

goodnews
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Texas already has it's own currency. It's called the lone star card. I say we cut texas loose right now and watch them eat their false pride. Seceed my ass, I love how every texan thinks they're benefiting from the oil that doesn't belong to them.
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I'm in Texas right now (not where I wanted to be at this particular moment in history) -fortunately far enough outside a major metro area where I would be relatively safe for a little while anyway. I think Texas is probably one of the worst places to be when the dollar collapse happens. I'm hoping it holds off until I can get back to my home state of Washington in the spring.

What state or states do folks deem the worst to be in and why...?

 Quoting: Uke


doode, if any state survive it will be Texas
only state that can make it on its own
besides , it would be great opportunity to secede from the union
dollar collapse ? who gives the f#ck
we will have our own currency
sitting on s#it load of oil
have access to the sea and mexico

goodnews
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25723103


Texas already has it's own currency. It's called the lone star card. I say we cut texas loose right now and watch them eat their false pride. Seceed my ass, I love how every texan thinks they're benefiting from the oil that doesn't belong to them.
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In Texas, there is very little federal land
its all State land



The Texas General Land Office manages state lands and mineral rights totaling 13 million acres.

This includes vast properties in West Texas, Gulf Coast beaches and bays and all “submerged” lands 10.35 miles out into the Gulf of Mexico, as well as a variety of state agency acreage and timberlands in East Texas.


[link to www.glo.texas.gov]

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You will be protected by the country people if you can convince them you are bringing their subsidy checks. They not accept outsiders otherwise even though they don't remember how they got there.

Denounce your U.S. citizenship and you can live on the pine ridge reservation with Russell Means and A.I.M.
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Means is dead and i doubt too many of us indigenous would welcome abunch a cititards.......north dakota aready is having serious problems with OFT (oil field trash)its like the 2nd comming of the wite eyes this time leaving all their trash littering our rez and dumping their trailers sewage anywhere they please...besides when the SHTF we wont allow outsiders.....hmmm u say? history...
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Any major metropolitan area is going be a clusterfuck. Desert cities should die off fairly quickly due to lack of water.
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Arizona not bad if you are properly prepped. If not you will die in 3-4 days from exposure or dehydration.
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You will be protected by the country people if you can convince them you are bringing their subsidy checks. They not accept outsiders otherwise even though they don't remember how they got there.

Denounce your U.S. citizenship and you can live on the pine ridge reservation with Russell Means and A.I.M.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27815245


Means is dead and i doubt too many of us indigenous would welcome abunch a cititards.......north dakota aready is having serious problems with OFT (oil field trash)its like the 2nd comming of the wite eyes this time leaving all their trash littering our rez and dumping their trailers sewage anywhere they please...besides when the SHTF we wont allow outsiders.....hmmm u say? history...
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I kinda meant it facitously. I'ts silly to think that anywhere else is better than where you are already. People have fantasies about this great rural america that doesn't exist. No dak will spit out the oil boomers as fast as the gold and coal booms did. Unfortunately the natives will be left with the mess, again. But R Means did publicly announce an invitaton a few years ago. Guess it expired.
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Could someone pin my thread?
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I'm in Texas right now (not where I wanted to be at this particular moment in history) -fortunately far enough outside a major metro area where I would be relatively safe for a little while anyway. I think Texas is probably one of the worst places to be when the dollar collapse happens. I'm hoping it holds off until I can get back to my home state of Washington in the spring.

What state or states do folks deem the worst to be in and why...?

 Quoting: Uke


doode, if any state survive it will be Texas
only state that can make it on its own
besides , it would be great opportunity to secede from the union
dollar collapse ? who gives the f#ck
we will have our own currency
sitting on s#it load of oil
have access to the sea and mexico

goodnews
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25723103


Texas already has it's own currency. It's called the lone star card. I say we cut texas loose right now and watch them eat their false pride. Seceed my ass, I love how every texan thinks they're benefiting from the oil that doesn't belong to them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27815245


In Texas, there is very little federal land
its all State land



The Texas General Land Office manages state lands and mineral rights totaling 13 million acres.

This includes vast properties in West Texas, Gulf Coast beaches and bays and all “submerged” lands 10.35 miles out into the Gulf of Mexico, as well as a variety of state agency acreage and timberlands in East Texas.


[link to www.glo.texas.gov]

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You are not the state of texas. You are just another cattle. If your name is not bass or pickens or moncrief or...you will foot the bill.
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It's a tough one. Once you get past the obvious doom areas, New Madrid, coastlines, islands and areas in CLOSE proximity to nuclear power plants it gets pretty deep.

At first being away from people takes priority but then organized groups do tend to favor the less organized and can help to share labor and pools of goods in a sort of strength in numbers.

Interesting thread OP, it does make you think. Jericho anyone?
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Could someone pin my thread?
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Okay, please stay with your thread & keep it going.
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I'm in Texas right now (not where I wanted to be at this particular moment in history) -fortunately far enough outside a major metro area where I would be relatively safe for a little while anyway. I think Texas is probably one of the worst places to be when the dollar collapse happens. I'm hoping it holds off until I can get back to my home state of Washington in the spring.

What state or states do folks deem the worst to be in and why...?

 Quoting: Uke


The Bible says we will all be affected, you can't wait this thing out. Seek Jesus while you can I say.
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