What is the Worst State(s) to be in When TSHTF?

sober and under-sexed....

that's racist.....

LOL! That's for sure! I think a lot of people don't realize that "Grizzly Adams" was filmed on a Hollywood sound stage, with trained animals and catered meals!

Not kidding. I agree with you in the fact that all of us need a wake up call at some point. We know women are more easily tricked or brainwashed and should be treated with more care. I try not to blame anyone because I was brainwashed before too. Maybe direct your anger to the evil that causes any of us to act the way we do instead of unleashing on the end product. Go to the source. Also put yourself in their shoes, think how bad it's going to be for the ones who parade around their bodies when lawlessness hits. That kind of helpless feeling will be torture. I don't expect anyone, men or women to help me when everyone shows their true colors.

Depends on HOW the SHTF.
If its an asteroid striking the pacific ocean
or the atlantic ocean, some states would be good
and some REAL bad.
If its an asteroid striking in Omaha, NB or
yellowstone volcano exploding, some would be
good and some would be bad.
If its a full nuclear exchange between the USA
and Russia and China, Tierra del Fuego would be
great.

PNW is due, overdue even for a massive repeat of the
1700 Cascadia Earthquake that produced a tsunami so bad
it killed people in Japan.
Not a normal earthquake and a frequency of every 3-500 years.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

acceptance

lol what are we going to do
prepare lol, goes on or it doesnt, either way, no biggy
value your lives so much and dont give other life its right to be, self centered fkers
hold no value on your life seems to bring about the live and let live attitude by way of apathy, or neutrality if you must exhalt yourself to optimism.

never be as strong as an ant
never be as smart as a dolphin
never be so mellow as an unmolested cow
etc etc so why bother trying to fool us

PS, not directed at quoted person, just general observations about EVERYONE, MYSELF included

i thought 'mellow as a marshmellow' tho... so i call the BS flag and epic fail... heh.. nice, you have me thinking differently about ants....



Last Edited by CitizenPerth™ on 12/08/2012 02:47 AM

Just because the urban areas are bad in a collapse, doesn't mean they always will be so afterward. Not to be morbid, but going back after a couple of months, a lot of people will have died from dehydration and starvation. A lot of items will be lying around to be re-used by new generations since those items will never again be manufactured.

In history, villages were located near rivers. It was a way that people go to that location versus on horseback or covered wagon. They were located there since it was a water supply, a means of creating trade from travelers passing West, a place for trapping beaver, fishing, getting mussels for eating as well as fabricating buttons, dredging up sand for construction, etc.

Most likely, people will exodus a city in a collapse, but in some cases, I think people will return and try to reclaim it after the numbers dwindle. That will be tough if too much time passes due to crumbling infrastructure. Roads breakdown each year from use, but also crumble under Nature's relentless assault. Watch any number of History channel or similar documentaries and you'll see that as soon as things are not maintained, they crumble due to entropy's effects.

The main issue will always be water availability.

Lots of these river towns will rise again, with tiny populations at first of salvaging crews. They'll most likely be the intinerant merchants traveling town-to-town and bartering there goods, mostly like from a boat traveling a river since fuel will be nonexistent. I doubt people will distill alcohol for fuel as that's a big waste of a lot field corn.

The first boats were flatboats and then followed by keelboats. That's what'll probably use, just like in the history of the pioneers along the St. Lawrence or the Ohio or the Mississippi or Missouri rivers.

The 10 MOST DANGEROUS METRO AREAS FOR VIOLENT CRIME (FORBES.COM):

1. Detroit, MI

2. Memphis, Tn

3. St. Louis, MO

4. Oakland, CA

5. Birmingham, AL

6. Atlanta, GA

7. Baltimore, MD

8. Stockton, CA

9. Cleveland, OH

10 Buffalo, NY

THE TOP 10 MOST DANGEROUS NUCLEAR TARGETS IN OR NEAR A METRO AREA (there are several other primary targets not listed that are not near a major metro)

1. Washington DC /and related bases (major command and control for the President)

2. Colorado Springs, CO (Cheyenne Mtn Control Center, 2 space command/comm bases)

3. Omaha, NE (secondary command and control bases)

4. Seattle, WA (Trident Missile Sub base and numerous Naval Bases)

5. Jacksonville FL/Kings Bay GA (Trident Missile Sub base, Major East Coast Naval Center)

6. San Diego, CA (largest west coast naval complex)

7. Norfolk, VA (major east coast naval complex)

8. Kansas City, MO (Nuclear Manufacturing facility)

9. Cheyenne, WY (Warren AFB, Minute Man and Peacekeeper MX missiles)

10. Great Falls, MT (Malmstrom AFB --Minute Man missiles)

Now for some good news: Here are my current ratings for the TOP 10 MODERATE GROWTH, MEDIUM SIZED METRO AREAS that are relatively safe from strategic threats, or where you have a good chance of mitigating those threats. These are not the best areas, but the areas where most people who need to stay in the job markets will find medium term security:

1. Boise, ID

2. Provo-Orem, UT

3. Beaverton, OR

4. Santa Rosa, CA

5. Greenville, SC

6. Winston-Salem/High Point, NC

7. Austin-San Marcos, TX

8. Grand Rapids, MI

9. Reno, NV

10. Madison, WI

For those of you on a tight budget, here are the TOP 10 MOST ECONOMICAL STATES to live. These ratings take into consideration overall taxes, housing, and cost of living. These ratings also exclude most large metro areas, where costs are much higher than the state average.

1. Arkansas

2. Alabama

3. Louisiana

4. Texas (except Dallas Metroplex)

5. West Virginia

6. Oklahoma

7. South Carolina

8. Mississippi

9. Wisconsin

10. Tennessee

SOME STATES WITH TAX ADVANTAGES: This doesn't tell the whole tax story since all states collect a lot of taxes. However, a person whose financial structure or income structure is different from the average person can take advantage of this by living in a state which doesn't tax his particular form of income or spending patterns. There are more details in my book, "Strategic Relocation"

STATES WITH NO INCOME TAX: Alaska, Florida, Nevada, Tennessee, New Hampshire (but has 5% tax on div/int) , So. Dakota, Texas, Washington, Wyoming.

STATES WITH NO SALES TAX: Alaska, Delaware, Montana, New Hampshire, Oregon,

STATES WITH NO INCOME OR SALES TAXES, BUT HIGH PROPERTY TAXES: Alaska, New Hampshire.

STATES WHO SHARE A BORDER WITH NO SALES TAX/NO INCOME TAX STATE: In these states, you can live in a no income tax state and shop across the border in a no sales tax state: Washington/Oregon Wyoming/Montana So. Dakota/Montana

As you can see, it can be rather enjoyable or frustrating doing this kind of analysis, depending upon where you presently reside. I hope you will enjoy the entire book, which offers many more areas of interest to analyze.
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You think I don't know all about this? gee whizz... I even mentioned it in my post.

I'm not going to allow a 300-500 year earthquake keep me away from some of the best survivable areas in the country. Especially since I live way down south of where most scientist expect it to hit.

Every single place in the country has it's problems. Earthquakes, hurricanes, tornado's, cold weather, hot weather, etc... etc...

I want to live n an area that has the least of these, and the most positive attributes, like water, food, isolation, etc...

I'm not letting a rare overdue earthquake dissuade me. Especially since I live in a small town, in a single story house. If I was living up north in Seattle, in a multi-floor building, I'd have a different attitude about "the big one".

But you'd never find me living in Seattle ANYWAY.

eerie and startling adventures await you

Who?

the state of confusion, best place Mountains of Kentucky

panic and fear

Last Edited by R... on 12/08/2012 03:42 AM

SHHHHHHHHHH don't come to Kentucky.The Hillbillies will get ya! Ever watch Deliverance?

I moved from Seattle inland.. anyone read what Zeta has to say? Might be a good late night snack.. some truth here and some well... speculation..

[link to www.zetatalk.com]

Interesting perspective..of course we WILL go back in time physically as well as forward in understanding spiritually. Actually the time to move was 10 years ago when money was plentiful and land was cheap... those that know got off the coasts and out of the big cites.. and looked for land that could support a garden and livestock.. water rights..on a sandy or loamy high valley with good drainage and not near a major river but over a great aquafer. I understood then, that the earth changes would be profound and IF you are meant to survive that you would have the skills to do just that because your whole life has been about learning those skills. Like you have been driven to garden, develop skills in building, backpack, cook outdoors, hunt, fish, walk alot, clear your mind of the garbage that overwhelms our culture, live a clean drug and alcohol free life AND become Spiritually Connected..so you KNOW in advance when all this is going to happen. So.. be prepared but don't think you will instantly change when the going gets tough.. you react as you have trained..

Last Edited by 5d WhiteLight on 12/08/2012 04:37 AM

I live on the coast, but I live hundreds of miles south of Seattle.

Northern Cali ok after all the rains? or are you on the Oregon Coast? Hard place to live only the tourist industry to live on..or fishing. Zeta says it will be ok but a bumpy ride..head to the hills when things start to shake. Otherwise a beautiful area..always wanted to ride my horse down there..know any good places?

Its not which state your in that will be the key factor to danger as much as it is how many blue dots surround you.

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Yeah, there's a LOT of awesome places if you like horseback riding. And no, I don't live in California, nor will I EVER. One of the reasons that this place stays so small, is because (like you said), the local economy is very tough. But with the way things are headed, it has turned out to be a blessing. If the economy was good here, there would be streams of people moving here.

You were dropped on your head as a baby. Plain and simple.

Us Canadians must be stupid as well since WE think that come oztards are idiots as well.

Must have been painful...

I knew you were one of those muslim invaders. One of those who try and divide and conquer.

you tards want to be away from all coastlines and suburban/urban areas. And I now add all large farms also. Sell them immediately. They will soon be a target for a government. If they're not confiscated, they'll be taken over and you'll be forced to do what a government wants.

Best states? Watch the legislation. So far, Wyoming and Texas have taken the lead.

Yes, it is terrible here. Stay away, especially you californicators. We saw what you did to Colorado.