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Ephesians 2.8-14

For by grace you have been saved through faith, and this is not your own doing
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Grace is not a free pass to continue to sin, as faith is the 'faith of Jesus' that is found in the Bible cover to cover.


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Its not a free pass to sin... Friend, i am a mere Human who is trying to find his place in this cruel world. I try to bring Happiness to each person i meet. In my eyes I am the worst sinner. Because Jesus is PERFECT and I mere man.
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Why do Catholics pray to Mary?

Why do Catholics say our Fathers and hail Mary's?

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Good questions...

We all need help getting to Heaven. Jesus gave humanity
the help of His mother from the Cross, to John.."this is your Mother."

Remember the wedding at Cana. Mary has a special place in her Son's heart, He wasn't ready at the time BUT, Our Lord granted His mother's request. Don't listen to anti-Marian folks anymore. You can speak to Mary in prayer.

Everyone, Catholics and Protestants pray the Our Father.
The Hail Mary describes Mary and who she is... Some of the
words of the Hail Mary are straight from Scripture.
The Our Father, the Hail Mary and the Glory Be are the three
main prayers repeated in the Rosary. Memorized, you know these 3 prayers so you meditate on Our Lord's life and His mother's life with Him as you pray these prayers.
You think about the joyful, sorrowful and glorious moments
of their lives (mosly Our Lord's life).

God is happy hf with repeated prayers, He dislikes insincere
prayer.
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I have always prayed to GOD in The name of Jesus Christ and He hears my prayers. I have witnessed His Mighty hand in my life. I have never prayed to Mary.
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snap out of it fucktard.
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I turn my other cheek. Peace
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Why do you turn your other cheek, and what does it truly mean to do so?

Thnx
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When someone Strikes me in my face, i turn my cheek and tell them to hit my other one. Just like Jesus did.
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Ecekiel

It's an experience as well as scripture


In the Bible

Unless you ask for forgiveness of your sins He does not hear your words.

Jesus said you must be born again to enter the kingdom of heaven.

Accepting what Jesus Christ did on the Cross and the price he paid for us .

When you say that prayer you acknowledge what Jesus Christ did for you. You accept the gift of salvation as well as accepting him as your savior. Your asking him to be born again. You humbling yourself before God and asking forgiveness of your sins that he may hear you.

That is the sinners prayer

Father I come before you in the name of your son Jesus Christ to ask you for forgiveness for all my sins. Jesus I accept the gift of salvation as well as you being my savior please come into my heart that I may be born again in Jesus Christ name I pray.
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I do not judge you OP but the word itself does.
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Hi,

But...the Bible does not interpret itself. You need an
authority.

The excuse, eror, believing God the Holy Spirit guides each person into their private interpretation of Scripture. This is not true.

God is never the author of confusion, a house divided falls.
There is no unity of belief on what Scripture means in
Protestantism. It's heresy, look at the fruit of private interpretation of Scripture. Division and error.

The only authority to interpret Scripture was given to the Church by God. It fits, the RCC compiled Scripture.

Read the footnotes of the Douay-Rheims Bible. They will help you with tough verses and help you understand why the Church teaches what she does.

[link to www.drbo.org]

blessings,
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At the Wedding Feast Jesus was NOT ready to START his journey. But Mary insisted he turn Water to Wine. Classic example of Jesus ALWAYS listens to his Mother. That didnt change with Death
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Yeah but Marry was just another sinner who needed to believe in Christ to be saved. Also remember when they came to Jesus and they told them your mother and your bother are looking for you. What did Jesus said? Also saying the marry is a virgin would be a lie since the bible says that she pretty much had sex with her husband and had more children besides Jesus. And to call her holy mother would be a blasphemy since only God is the holy or holies. There no biblical evidence and support of such teaching that you claim about marry shes just another sinner.
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I do not judge you OP but the word itself does.
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Hi,

But...the Bible does not interpret itself. You need an
authority.

The excuse, eror, believing God the Holy Spirit guides each person into their private interpretation of Scripture. This is not true.

God is never the author of confusion, a house divided falls.
There is no unity of belief on what Scripture means in
Protestantism. It's heresy, look at the fruit of private interpretation of Scripture. Division and error.

The only authority to interpret Scripture was given to the Church by God. It fits, the RCC compiled Scripture.

Read the footnotes of the Douay-Rheims Bible. They will help you with tough verses and help you understand why the Church teaches what she does.

[link to www.drbo.org]

blessings,
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Amen
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snap out of it fucktard.
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I turn my other cheek. Peace
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24484272


Why do you turn your other cheek, and what does it truly mean to do so?

Thnx
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26029699


When someone Strikes me in my face, i turn my cheek and tell them to hit my other one. Just like Jesus did.
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Why did Jesus want to do this?
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Why do Catholics pray to Mary?

Why do Catholics say our Fathers and hail Mary's?

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Good questions...

We all need help getting to Heaven. Jesus gave humanity
the help of His mother from the Cross, to John.."this is your Mother."

Remember the wedding at Cana. Mary has a special place in her Son's heart, He wasn't ready at the time BUT, Our Lord granted His mother's request. Don't listen to anti-Marian folks anymore. You can speak to Mary in prayer.

Everyone, Catholics and Protestants pray the Our Father.
The Hail Mary describes Mary and who she is... Some of the
words of the Hail Mary are straight from Scripture.
The Our Father, the Hail Mary and the Glory Be are the three
main prayers repeated in the Rosary. Memorized, you know these 3 prayers so you meditate on Our Lord's life and His mother's life with Him as you pray these prayers.
You think about the joyful, sorrowful and glorious moments
of their lives (mosly Our Lord's life).

God is happy hf with repeated prayers, He dislikes insincere
prayer.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20541213

I have always prayed to GOD in The name of Jesus Christ and He hears my prayers. I have witnessed His Mighty hand in my life. I have never prayed to Mary
.
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Yes, hf I realize but you can do both. Mary is a powerful
intercessor.

We are intercessors when we pray to God for family and loved
ones. See how it all fits? We're one big family, God
answers our prayers and the saints in Heaven...all in His
Will.
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Ecekiel

It's an experience as well as scripture


In the Bible

Unless you ask for forgiveness of your sins He does not hear your words.

Jesus said you must be born again to enter the kingdom of heaven.

Accepting what Jesus Christ did on the Cross and the price he paid for us .

When you say that prayer you acknowledge what Jesus Christ did for you. You accept the gift of salvation as well as accepting him as your savior. Your asking him to be born again. You humbling yourself before God and asking forgiveness of your sins that he may hear you.

That is the sinners prayer

Father I come before you in the name of your son Jesus Christ to ask you for forgiveness for all my sins. Jesus I accept the gift of salvation as well as you being my savior please come into my heart that I may be born again in Jesus Christ name I pray.
 Quoting: Semper Fi 6875630


according to the bible you are wrong all i need to do is to have faith in Christ to be saved and nothing else. I do not have to say such prayer. All is require is to believe in him with all your heart and declare that he is Lord. You teach another heresy with a prayer no one will get save.

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I turn my other cheek. Peace
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Why do you turn your other cheek, and what does it truly mean to do so?

Thnx
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26029699


When someone Strikes me in my face, i turn my cheek and tell them to hit my other one. Just like Jesus did.
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Why did Jesus want to do this?
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Man typically has two reactions to a conflict. Fight or flight. Jesus gave us an alternative in the facing such a conflict. To stand strong and not to return the blow.

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OP how can i be saved and go to heaven? can you point me out to scripture and not to your opinions?
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Its late friend and Im tired... but ill say this. Faith through Grace. In Grace will YOU find Salvation and Jesus. Follow commandments, but especially LOVE. Everybody and EVERYONE. Accept JESUS into your Heart as YOUR Personal LORD and Savior. Have Faith. God Bless. May you Find Peace. In the AM ill Quote Scripture exactly
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It's late. You are tired, and you have taken quite a beating, by the truth.

Go to bed, but before you go to sleep, ask God to forgive you, for defending the most murderous and diabolical institution that has ever existed on this earth.

TRULY, the MOTHER of harlots.
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Hate and more hate, it comes from ignorance of the truth.
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It's not hate. It is THIS:

"And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them." Ephesians 5:11
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Its late friend and Im tired... but ill say this. Faith through Grace. In Grace will YOU find Salvation and Jesus. Follow commandments, but especially LOVE. Everybody and EVERYONE. Accept JESUS into your Heart as YOUR Personal LORD and Savior. Have Faith. God Bless. May you Find Peace. In the AM ill Quote Scripture exactly
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24484272


It's late. You are tired, and you have taken quite a beating, by the truth.

Go to bed, but before you go to sleep, ask God to forgive you, for defending the most murderous and diabolical institution that has ever existed on this earth.

TRULY, the MOTHER of harlots.
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Hate and more hate, it comes from ignorance of the truth.
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It's not hate. It is THIS:

"And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them." Ephesians 5:11
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Is it reasonable to assume that the Mother of Harlots would be the worlds largest source of Charity and produce such people as Mother Teresa of Calcutta?

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Why do you turn your other cheek, and what does it truly mean to do so?

Thnx
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When someone Strikes me in my face, i turn my cheek and tell them to hit my other one. Just like Jesus did.
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Why did Jesus want to do this?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26029699


Man typically has two reactions to a conflict. Fight or flight. Jesus gave us an alternative in the facing such a conflict. To stand strong and not to return the blow.
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Thank you monkey brain.. The question was directed to the OP.

I do however, appreciate your input.
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Proof that Roman Catholicism is witchcraft-

Doc Marquee has written a book, which is being published by American Focus Publishing Company, entitled "Secrets of the Illuminati". While this topic has been explored before, no author has been able to bring a truly occultic angle to the discussion. In other words, Marquee looks at the plan to bring in the New World Order from the viewpoint of a former witch. In his book, Marquee includes a chapter entitled, "Is It Catholicism Or Witchcraft?" At the beginning of this chapter, Marquee makes a quite startling statement, "I must emphatically state that Catholicism and witchcraft are one and the same...there is no difference between witchcraft and Catholicism." Then, Marquee examines Catholicism and witchcraft from the vantage point of a former witch.

Marquee identifies several critically important areas in which the practice of Roman Catholicism and witchcraft are identical. We will first list these areas of commonalty and then comment specifically upon them. These common areas are:

The altar

The golden goblet known as a chalice.

Colored candles used in services

The use of incense.

The use of bells in the ceremony.

Praying to statues.

The use of Latin in services.

The use of a golden scepter in giving a large blessing to the people.

Common belief in Purgatory

The common belief in the host.

Common belief in the five elements.


Now, let us examine each of these areas of commonalty:

1. The altar in every Catholic church is prominently positioned at the front of the church. The "Mysteries of the Mass" are celebrated on and around the altar. In witchcraft, also, the altar is similarly used for three purposes:

To practice certain metaphysical rites, such as the casting of certain spells or to honor occult deities.

To hold the tools of magic.

To perform human sacrifice.

The Roman Catholic altar also holds their tools of their magic, and they daily perform human sacrifice. Remember, we are looking at this subject through the eyes of a former high-level witch who is now a born-again Christian. This daily human sacrifice is performed according to the false belief in "transubstantiation", the belief that the priest magically transforms the wafer into Jesus' body and the wine into His blood. Marquee states, "In other words, every day Christ is being reincarnated and then sacrificed.. they perform daily their human sacrifice in which Christ is ...sacrificed for their sins." It is shocking to realize that the Roman Catholics are daily performing human sacrifice in a manner similar to that of witches throughout the centuries.

2. The Catholic Golden Goblet, or Chalice. "It is this cup that the wine poured into it becomes the...literal blood of Christ. When a witch does a human sacrifice, after the victim's throat is sliced open, the spilled blood will be collected in a chalice, just as the Catholics do, except the witch's chalice holds the real thing." In Satan's eyes, the Catholics are performing the same rite as the witches.

3. "Candles were introduced to the Catholic mass about 320 A.D. There is no Scriptural reasons for them, unless... you are a practicing witch. Below is a list of different colored candles a witch would use throughout the year. See if you can recall any of these colors used during a Catholic mass:
White -- Purity, Truth, Sincerity
Red -- Strength, Health, Vigor, Sexual Love
Light Blue -- Tranquillity, Understanding, Patience
Dark Blue -- Impulsiveness, Depression, Change
Green -- Finance, Fertility, Luck
Gold/Yellow -- Persuasion, Charm, Confidence
Brown -- Hesitation, Uncertainty
Pink -- Honor, Love, Morality
Black -- Evil, Loss, Discord, Confusion
Purple -- Tension, Ambition, Power
Silver-Gray -- Cancellation, Stalemate
Orange -- Encouragement, Stimulation
Greenish-Yellow -- Sickness, Anger, Jealousy
"Using these colored candles and the right spells, a witch can cause anything to happen...our Catholic friends are not only using these occult tools, they also pay for them when they go to various statues and light...candles."

4. "Incense is a constant tool that is used by priests. They will take a philter (incense burner), walk around the altar, and then wave it out toward the crowd with an invocation...Not only do witches use incense, but they will consecrate their altar and their fellow witches in the exact way the Catholics do..."

5. Bells are also utilized by both Roman Catholics and witches. The bells are actually baptized, and in both witchcraft and Catholicism, altar boys attend the priest in sounding the bells.

6. Witches were praying to images or statues for many centuries before Catholics began the practice.

7. "Until recently, most of the rites of witchcraft were said in Latin...why is it, when the witches stopped using Latin as much as they did, about twenty years ago, that the Catholic mass was stopped being told in Latin? Today, it is spoken mostly in American English, the same way in which a witch's mass is held."

8. "...when the Pope, Cardinals, or priests want to give a huge blessing, they will take out a golden scepter, or wand, dip it in holy water, and then wave it on the people...wands are nothing new in the occult. When a witch wants to direct his power he can do it by means of wands." He can also control the demonic forces at his disposal by using a wand to consecrate a circle with a pentacle inside. Holy water is also used by a witch to purify himself and his instruments, and the water is made holy in both witchcraft and Catholicism by mixing water with salt.

9. The teaching of Purgatory is not found in the Bible. According to Catholic catechism, Purgatory is described as "a logically deduced place. Since a Catholic could not go straight to heaven if he had sinned, and since he could not go to hell if he had not died in mortal sin, there had to be a place in between where he could be purified" --

Purgatory. However, the belief in Purgatory is "totally occultic in origin". Witchcraft teaches that after a person goes through Purgatory, he is reincarnated and is more powerful in his next life than he was before. After several reincarnations, he will become purified enough to live with the gods and goddesses, precisely the same end as the Catholics teach.

10. Both Catholics and Witches teach that the host becomes the actual body of their respective gods. To the Roman Catholic, the host becomes the actual body of Jesus Christ; the witch believes the host actually becomes the body of their pagan deity, " I.H.S. -- or Iris, Horus, and Semiramis". This concept is known in both circles as transsubstantiation.

11. Both witchcraft and Roman Catholicism teach that the universe is comprised of five elements: Spirit, Water, Air, Fire, and Earth. These occultic five elements are also found in the Catholic mass.

Spirit -- of the wafer god they sacrifice daily.
Water -- Holy water they use to purify and baptize
Air -- symbolically used through the incense
Fire -- used in tangent with the incense burning
Earth -- The elements of the wafer come from the earth in agriculture, and the flesh of their sacrificed deity, Jesus Christ, also came from the earth.

Doc Marquee's conclusion is inescapable and damning: The practice of occultism has come full circle from ancient Babylon to the Roman Catholic Institution today. As Jesus counseled in Revelation 18:4, "Come out of her, my people, that you do not participate in her sins, neither in her plagues".
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It is love that will conquer all.
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I do not judge you OP but the word itself does.
 Quoting: Ecekiel


Hi,

But...the Bible does not interpret itself. You need an
authority.

The excuse, eror, believing God the Holy Spirit guides each person into their private interpretation of Scripture. This is not true.

God is never the author of confusion, a house divided falls.
There is no unity of belief on what Scripture means in
Protestantism. It's heresy, look at the fruit of private interpretation of Scripture. Division and error.

The only authority to interpret Scripture was given to the Church by God. It fits, the RCC compiled Scripture.

Read the footnotes of the Douay-Rheims Bible. They will help you with tough verses and help you understand why the Church teaches what she does.

[link to www.drbo.org]

blessings,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20541213


Amen
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Monkey Breath, thanks, hugs

It will be something, look how in love our brothers and sisters in Christ are with the written Word! Imagine what they will do when Christ shows them all of the plan during the Great Warning (Rev 6:15-17).
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I led my life astray many years ago, and found peace and love with my return to the One Holy Catholic Apostolic church.. Ask me a Question
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So... How do you feel about the MILLIONS of abominations committed by your "church".

How do you feel about your "church" murdering between 100-200 MILLION people?

How do you feel about any "church" that would torture people to near death, only to allow them to recover, so that they could be tortured again, and then burned at the stake?

How do you feel about that... Ace?

How do you thing GOD feels about it?
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He who has not sinned cast the 1st stone. Wars have waged forever. Catholics have been genocided, so have jews, serbs, white, black, asian, african, indian etc... The church is Not Perfect. But the Rock stands forever. Without Catholicism there IS No Christianity
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Welcome friend, Good luck here. It is very hard to explain things to those who do not want to listen to historical truth and really study the scripture. Good to have you on board!!
Live and let live, for we all have our own lessons to learn.
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You know what's funny I use to believe the same thing you do. Because i believed he is the Son of God. But there is so much more to it then just believing. All I'm gonna say is be baptised by fire through the holy spirit. Remember that what he speaks in scripture is spirit.
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It's late. You are tired, and you have taken quite a beating, by the truth.

Go to bed, but before you go to sleep, ask God to forgive you, for defending the most murderous and diabolical institution that has ever existed on this earth.

TRULY, the MOTHER of harlots.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21829908




Hate and more hate, it comes from ignorance of the truth.
 Quoting: Monkey Breath



It's not hate. It is THIS:

"And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them." Ephesians 5:11
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29396264


Is it reasonable to assume that the Mother of Harlots would be the worlds largest source of Charity and produce such people as Mother Teresa of Calcutta?
 Quoting: Monkey Breath




"For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works." 2nd Corinthian 11:13-15


I'm guess that you had absolutely NO interest in reading the link that the other poster gave you, regarding whether Mother Theresa was a real (and saved) Christian, or not.

No doubt though, that she was a real Catholic.

I notice that you do not investigate anything that conflicts with your agenda. Why is that?
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Proof that Roman Catholicism is witchcraft-

Doc Marquee has written a book, which is being published by American Focus Publishing Company, entitled "Secrets of the Illuminati". While this topic has been explored before, no author has been able to bring a truly occultic angle to the discussion. In other words, Marquee looks at the plan to bring in the New World Order from the viewpoint of a former witch. In his book, Marquee includes a chapter entitled, "Is It Catholicism Or Witchcraft?" At the beginning of this chapter, Marquee makes a quite startling statement, "I must emphatically state that Catholicism and witchcraft are one and the same...there is no difference between witchcraft and Catholicism." Then, Marquee examines Catholicism and witchcraft from the vantage point of a former witch.

Marquee identifies several critically important areas in which the practice of Roman Catholicism and witchcraft are identical. We will first list these areas of commonalty and then comment specifically upon them. These common areas are:

The altar

The golden goblet known as a chalice.

Colored candles used in services

The use of incense.

The use of bells in the ceremony.

Praying to statues.

The use of Latin in services.

The use of a golden scepter in giving a large blessing to the people.

Common belief in Purgatory

The common belief in the host.

Common belief in the five elements.


Now, let us examine each of these areas of commonalty:

1. The altar in every Catholic church is prominently positioned at the front of the church. The "Mysteries of the Mass" are celebrated on and around the altar. In witchcraft, also, the altar is similarly used for three purposes:

To practice certain metaphysical rites, such as the casting of certain spells or to honor occult deities.

To hold the tools of magic.

To perform human sacrifice.

The Roman Catholic altar also holds their tools of their magic, and they daily perform human sacrifice. Remember, we are looking at this subject through the eyes of a former high-level witch who is now a born-again Christian. This daily human sacrifice is performed according to the false belief in "transubstantiation", the belief that the priest magically transforms the wafer into Jesus' body and the wine into His blood. Marquee states, "In other words, every day Christ is being reincarnated and then sacrificed.. they perform daily their human sacrifice in which Christ is ...sacrificed for their sins." It is shocking to realize that the Roman Catholics are daily performing human sacrifice in a manner similar to that of witches throughout the centuries.

2. The Catholic Golden Goblet, or Chalice. "It is this cup that the wine poured into it becomes the...literal blood of Christ. When a witch does a human sacrifice, after the victim's throat is sliced open, the spilled blood will be collected in a chalice, just as the Catholics do, except the witch's chalice holds the real thing." In Satan's eyes, the Catholics are performing the same rite as the witches.

3. "Candles were introduced to the Catholic mass about 320 A.D. There is no Scriptural reasons for them, unless... you are a practicing witch. Below is a list of different colored candles a witch would use throughout the year. See if you can recall any of these colors used during a Catholic mass:
White -- Purity, Truth, Sincerity
Red -- Strength, Health, Vigor, Sexual Love
Light Blue -- Tranquillity, Understanding, Patience
Dark Blue -- Impulsiveness, Depression, Change
Green -- Finance, Fertility, Luck
Gold/Yellow -- Persuasion, Charm, Confidence
Brown -- Hesitation, Uncertainty
Pink -- Honor, Love, Morality
Black -- Evil, Loss, Discord, Confusion
Purple -- Tension, Ambition, Power
Silver-Gray -- Cancellation, Stalemate
Orange -- Encouragement, Stimulation
Greenish-Yellow -- Sickness, Anger, Jealousy
"Using these colored candles and the right spells, a witch can cause anything to happen...our Catholic friends are not only using these occult tools, they also pay for them when they go to various statues and light...candles."

4. "Incense is a constant tool that is used by priests. They will take a philter (incense burner), walk around the altar, and then wave it out toward the crowd with an invocation...Not only do witches use incense, but they will consecrate their altar and their fellow witches in the exact way the Catholics do..."

5. Bells are also utilized by both Roman Catholics and witches. The bells are actually baptized, and in both witchcraft and Catholicism, altar boys attend the priest in sounding the bells.

6. Witches were praying to images or statues for many centuries before Catholics began the practice.

7. "Until recently, most of the rites of witchcraft were said in Latin...why is it, when the witches stopped using Latin as much as they did, about twenty years ago, that the Catholic mass was stopped being told in Latin? Today, it is spoken mostly in American English, the same way in which a witch's mass is held."

8. "...when the Pope, Cardinals, or priests want to give a huge blessing, they will take out a golden scepter, or wand, dip it in holy water, and then wave it on the people...wands are nothing new in the occult. When a witch wants to direct his power he can do it by means of wands." He can also control the demonic forces at his disposal by using a wand to consecrate a circle with a pentacle inside. Holy water is also used by a witch to purify himself and his instruments, and the water is made holy in both witchcraft and Catholicism by mixing water with salt.

9. The teaching of Purgatory is not found in the Bible. According to Catholic catechism, Purgatory is described as "a logically deduced place. Since a Catholic could not go straight to heaven if he had sinned, and since he could not go to hell if he had not died in mortal sin, there had to be a place in between where he could be purified" --

Purgatory. However, the belief in Purgatory is "totally occultic in origin". Witchcraft teaches that after a person goes through Purgatory, he is reincarnated and is more powerful in his next life than he was before. After several reincarnations, he will become purified enough to live with the gods and goddesses, precisely the same end as the Catholics teach.

10. Both Catholics and Witches teach that the host becomes the actual body of their respective gods. To the Roman Catholic, the host becomes the actual body of Jesus Christ; the witch believes the host actually becomes the body of their pagan deity, " I.H.S. -- or Iris, Horus, and Semiramis". This concept is known in both circles as transsubstantiation.

11. Both witchcraft and Roman Catholicism teach that the universe is comprised of five elements: Spirit, Water, Air, Fire, and Earth. These occultic five elements are also found in the Catholic mass.

Spirit -- of the wafer god they sacrifice daily.
Water -- Holy water they use to purify and baptize
Air -- symbolically used through the incense
Fire -- used in tangent with the incense burning
Earth -- The elements of the wafer come from the earth in agriculture, and the flesh of their sacrificed deity, Jesus Christ, also came from the earth.

Doc Marquee's conclusion is inescapable and damning: The practice of occultism has come full circle from ancient Babylon to the Roman Catholic Institution today. As Jesus counseled in Revelation 18:4, "Come out of her, my people, that you do not participate in her sins, neither in her plagues".
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Please go back and read the bible. Those items are found throughout, including the Book of Revelation.

One other point, i do know that the Satanist copy the Mass in an ugly profane way, as a form mocking the Church. This maybe where the confusion comes from.
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I do not judge you OP but the word itself does.
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Hi,

But...the Bible does not interpret itself. You need an
authority.

The excuse, eror, believing God the Holy Spirit guides each person into their private interpretation of Scripture. This is not true.

God is never the author of confusion, a house divided falls.
There is no unity of belief on what Scripture means in
Protestantism. It's heresy, look at the fruit of private interpretation of Scripture. Division and error.

The only authority to interpret Scripture was given to the Church by God. It fits, the RCC compiled Scripture.

Read the footnotes of the Douay-Rheims Bible. They will help you with tough verses and help you understand why the Church teaches what she does.

[link to www.drbo.org]

blessings,
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Amen
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Monkey Breath, thanks, hugs

It will be something, look how in love our brothers and sisters in Christ are with the written Word! Imagine what they will do when Christ shows them all of the plan during the Great Warning (Rev 6:15-17).
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When do you think that will happen and, why don't you think some people have not all-ready been shown it?

thnx
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Ecekiel

You know what's funny I use to believe the same thing you do. Because i believed he is the Son of God. But there is so much more to it then just believing. All I'm gonna say is be baptised by fire through the holy spirit. Remember that what he speaks in scripture is spirit.
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well believe as you wish. I should not argue with you no more over such matters. The bible is clear about the only way to be saved and thats it.

You sound like you are a pentecostal... and im not going to go there if you are one.

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Proof that Roman Catholicism is witchcraft-

Doc Marquee has written a book, which is being published by American Focus Publishing Company, entitled "Secrets of the Illuminati". While this topic has been explored before, no author has been able to bring a truly occultic angle to the discussion. In other words, Marquee looks at the plan to bring in the New World Order from the viewpoint of a former witch. In his book, Marquee includes a chapter entitled, "Is It Catholicism Or Witchcraft?" At the beginning of this chapter, Marquee makes a quite startling statement, "I must emphatically state that Catholicism and witchcraft are one and the same...there is no difference between witchcraft and Catholicism." Then, Marquee examines Catholicism and witchcraft from the vantage point of a former witch.

Marquee identifies several critically important areas in which the practice of Roman Catholicism and witchcraft are identical. We will first list these areas of commonalty and then comment specifically upon them. These common areas are:

The altar

The golden goblet known as a chalice.

Colored candles used in services

The use of incense.

The use of bells in the ceremony.

Praying to statues.

The use of Latin in services.

The use of a golden scepter in giving a large blessing to the people.

Common belief in Purgatory

The common belief in the host.

Common belief in the five elements.


Now, let us examine each of these areas of commonalty:

1. The altar in every Catholic church is prominently positioned at the front of the church. The "Mysteries of the Mass" are celebrated on and around the altar. In witchcraft, also, the altar is similarly used for three purposes:

To practice certain metaphysical rites, such as the casting of certain spells or to honor occult deities.

To hold the tools of magic.

To perform human sacrifice.

The Roman Catholic altar also holds their tools of their magic, and they daily perform human sacrifice. Remember, we are looking at this subject through the eyes of a former high-level witch who is now a born-again Christian. This daily human sacrifice is performed according to the false belief in "transubstantiation", the belief that the priest magically transforms the wafer into Jesus' body and the wine into His blood. Marquee states, "In other words, every day Christ is being reincarnated and then sacrificed.. they perform daily their human sacrifice in which Christ is ...sacrificed for their sins." It is shocking to realize that the Roman Catholics are daily performing human sacrifice in a manner similar to that of witches throughout the centuries.

2. The Catholic Golden Goblet, or Chalice. "It is this cup that the wine poured into it becomes the...literal blood of Christ. When a witch does a human sacrifice, after the victim's throat is sliced open, the spilled blood will be collected in a chalice, just as the Catholics do, except the witch's chalice holds the real thing." In Satan's eyes, the Catholics are performing the same rite as the witches.

3. "Candles were introduced to the Catholic mass about 320 A.D. There is no Scriptural reasons for them, unless... you are a practicing witch. Below is a list of different colored candles a witch would use throughout the year. See if you can recall any of these colors used during a Catholic mass:
White -- Purity, Truth, Sincerity
Red -- Strength, Health, Vigor, Sexual Love
Light Blue -- Tranquillity, Understanding, Patience
Dark Blue -- Impulsiveness, Depression, Change
Green -- Finance, Fertility, Luck
Gold/Yellow -- Persuasion, Charm, Confidence
Brown -- Hesitation, Uncertainty
Pink -- Honor, Love, Morality
Black -- Evil, Loss, Discord, Confusion
Purple -- Tension, Ambition, Power
Silver-Gray -- Cancellation, Stalemate
Orange -- Encouragement, Stimulation
Greenish-Yellow -- Sickness, Anger, Jealousy
"Using these colored candles and the right spells, a witch can cause anything to happen...our Catholic friends are not only using these occult tools, they also pay for them when they go to various statues and light...candles."

4. "Incense is a constant tool that is used by priests. They will take a philter (incense burner), walk around the altar, and then wave it out toward the crowd with an invocation...Not only do witches use incense, but they will consecrate their altar and their fellow witches in the exact way the Catholics do..."

5. Bells are also utilized by both Roman Catholics and witches. The bells are actually baptized, and in both witchcraft and Catholicism, altar boys attend the priest in sounding the bells.

6. Witches were praying to images or statues for many centuries before Catholics began the practice.

7. "Until recently, most of the rites of witchcraft were said in Latin...why is it, when the witches stopped using Latin as much as they did, about twenty years ago, that the Catholic mass was stopped being told in Latin? Today, it is spoken mostly in American English, the same way in which a witch's mass is held."

8. "...when the Pope, Cardinals, or priests want to give a huge blessing, they will take out a golden scepter, or wand, dip it in holy water, and then wave it on the people...wands are nothing new in the occult. When a witch wants to direct his power he can do it by means of wands." He can also control the demonic forces at his disposal by using a wand to consecrate a circle with a pentacle inside. Holy water is also used by a witch to purify himself and his instruments, and the water is made holy in both witchcraft and Catholicism by mixing water with salt.

9. The teaching of Purgatory is not found in the Bible. According to Catholic catechism, Purgatory is described as "a logically deduced place. Since a Catholic could not go straight to heaven if he had sinned, and since he could not go to hell if he had not died in mortal sin, there had to be a place in between where he could be purified" --

Purgatory. However, the belief in Purgatory is "totally occultic in origin". Witchcraft teaches that after a person goes through Purgatory, he is reincarnated and is more powerful in his next life than he was before. After several reincarnations, he will become purified enough to live with the gods and goddesses, precisely the same end as the Catholics teach.

10. Both Catholics and Witches teach that the host becomes the actual body of their respective gods. To the Roman Catholic, the host becomes the actual body of Jesus Christ; the witch believes the host actually becomes the body of their pagan deity, " I.H.S. -- or Iris, Horus, and Semiramis". This concept is known in both circles as transsubstantiation.

11. Both witchcraft and Roman Catholicism teach that the universe is comprised of five elements: Spirit, Water, Air, Fire, and Earth. These occultic five elements are also found in the Catholic mass.

Spirit -- of the wafer god they sacrifice daily.
Water -- Holy water they use to purify and baptize
Air -- symbolically used through the incense
Fire -- used in tangent with the incense burning
Earth -- The elements of the wafer come from the earth in agriculture, and the flesh of their sacrificed deity, Jesus Christ, also came from the earth.

Doc Marquee's conclusion is inescapable and damning: The practice of occultism has come full circle from ancient Babylon to the Roman Catholic Institution today. As Jesus counseled in Revelation 18:4, "Come out of her, my people, that you do not participate in her sins, neither in her plagues".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29396264


Friend, it is satan who perverts and twists all these things. He is the total opposite of God and everything He uses for His purposes.
Matter of fact; the "black" mass is the total oppisite of the Catholic Mass, wonder why???
Live and let live, for we all have our own lessons to learn.
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'Christian' is a very loose term in our modern times.
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The veil was torn.

Does anyone know what this means?

This means that you do not need anyone to make intercession for you other than Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ has already done it.

Do you believe it? Do you accept it?

There is only one intercessor between GOD and man and that is The Lord Jesus Christ our Savior.

And there isn't any Savior without GOD.

Did any of you realize that the "only religion" that pleases the Father is those who look after orphans and widows in distress and to keep oneself from being polluted from the world?

Love GOD The Father with all of your heart, soul, strength and understanding.

The other is just like it....

The love your neighbor as yourself.

And do not forget what He told His Disciples before He went back to The Father.

Love each other as I have loved you.
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It's so easy to talk about the 'millions' the Church has killed, but that's dubious and I would love to see a scholarly research article which could validate that claim. Even the Crusades began as an effort to protect pilgrims from Islamic marauders, highwayman, and deviants on their journalese to Jerusalem. Corruption and war corrupts, and it didn't stop there.

Has the Church made mistakes? No it hasn't, but the people in the Church have. Apologies have been offered, and the Church has repented, so will you forgive us?

The fact of the matter that people refuse to even consider, because their minds are set and convoluted by the propaganda in popular culture, or because they are part of the conspiracy to bring about a trans humanist sexular order, is that the Church has done more good than any other institution in the history of the world, it is unbridled science and secularism which has been the cause of millions of deaths of INNOCENT civilians and untold damage to the Earth which we were entrusted as stewards to. Guess what: they've done it with your tax dollars too, and with your express consent!

How many divisions in the body of Christ since the protestant "reformation"(was it a reformation or a schism)? Thousands? A thing can be judged by its fruits. No wonder the world is in such darkness, even the members of His Body have been divided against themselves, yet the Church remains. We need to join together in Christian solidarity and be of like mind in love, light, and purpose.

You want to mention the child abuse and the evil that is committed by the 'Church' but the reality of the situation is that there are diabolical organizations of satanists, gnostic, and other devious groups which have interpolated into the masses in an attempt to discredit the Church by subterfuge and evil. The Church doesn't molest children, but I know at least one group that loves to, and then they blame others that don't acquiesce of the very same sort of perversion and wickedness that they practice and plot in their hearts. I just want those involved to know that your works have not escaped my gaze. Nevertheless the gates of hell shall not prevail against His Church. As it is written so it shall come to pass.

OP I would recommend shaking the dust off your feet and leaving this thread. They have it figured out.
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The rock is Jesus Christ. Not Peter.
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The veil was torn.

Does anyone know what this means?

This means that you do not need anyone to make intercession for you other than Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ has already done it.

Do you believe it? Do you accept it?

There is only one intercessor between GOD and man and that is The Lord Jesus Christ our Savior.

And there isn't any Savior without GOD.

Did any of you realize that the "only religion" that pleases the Father is those who look after orphans and widows in distress and to keep oneself from being polluted from the world?

Love GOD The Father with all of your heart, soul, strength and understanding.

The other is just like it....

The love your neighbor as yourself.

And do not forget what He told His Disciples before He went back to The Father.

Love each other as I have loved you.
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"be perfect as 'I AM' perfect"!

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