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Monkey

Do me a favor watch this video real quick and tell me what you think.

[link to www.youtube.com]
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im watching but not sure about real quick LOL
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Why do you pray the rosary when the Bible expressley says do not use repetitive prayer like the heathen do, and why do you pray to Mary and saints when we direct access to God through Jesus Christ??? And why do you worship statues?
 Quoting: The watcher 1960


WE have gone over this about 10 times. LOL if you want i will post it again
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Besides all the previous replies about what the Rosary is, did you know that the angels in heaven repeat holy holy holy to God? Yes, they do and it's in the bible in Revelations. See if you can find it yourself. It's another one of those glossed over scriptures that Protestants like to ignore. I think we can learn a lot from one another if we work together. I like the fact that protestants emphasize a personal relationship with Jesus. I usually love the Protestant zeal except when they get rude and hateful. I wish protestants wouldnt ignore the mother of Christ. I like their services which are usually very lively and joyful, but i also like the reverence of the Catholic Mass i like the protestant emphasis on the bible. I also like how Catholics incorporate scriptures into the Mass. I agree with those who say the Vatican is corrupted by money and power and I wish they would do even more than they do for the poor. I dont understand why people bash Mother Therese who led such a good example of a holy life and did so much to help those who were neglected in India. What is the world coming to if people cannot see the good that she has done simply because she is Catholic and people choose to lump all Catholics together into a stereotype of their own choosing. I dont understand hiw anyone can view everything that does not agree with their way of thinking as "satanic" . I dont understand why people think the Pope is the Antichrist. You cant possibly have read anything that he or pope jpii has written and think that. I dont understand hiw people can be so blind and ignorant as to think that everything is so "black and white" cant you see the problem with that way thinking? I wish we could love one another as Christ loves us. I think it will happen soon.
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Semper Fi, while im watching will you watch this short video and comment back to me. Please see the whole thing before commenting. Thanks.

I ll keep watching yours..

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It's a nice video i watched it. I'm curious have you seen this one.

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Why do you pray the rosary when the Bible expressley says do not use repetitive prayer like the heathen do, and why do you pray to Mary and saints when we direct access to God through Jesus Christ??? And why do you worship statues?
 Quoting: The watcher 1960


WE have gone over this about 10 times. LOL if you want i will post it again
 Quoting: Monkey Breath


Besides all the previous replies about what the Rosary is, did you know that the angels in heaven repeat holy holy holy to God? Yes, they do and it's in the bible in Revelations. See if you can find it yourself. It's another one of those glossed over scriptures that Protestants like to ignore. I think we can learn a lot from one another if we work together. I like the fact that protestants emphasize a personal relationship with Jesus. I usually love the Protestant zeal except when they get rude and hateful. I wish protestants wouldnt ignore the mother of Christ. I like their services which are usually very lively and joyful, but i also like the reverence of the Catholic Mass i like the protestant emphasis on the bible. I also like how Catholics incorporate scriptures into the Mass. I agree with those who say the Vatican is corrupted by money and power and I wish they would do even more than they do for the poor. I dont understand why people bash Mother Therese who led such a good example of a holy life and did so much to help those who were neglected in India. What is the world coming to if people cannot see the good that she has done simply because she is Catholic and people choose to lump all Catholics together into a stereotype of their own choosing. I dont understand hiw anyone can view everything that does not agree with their way of thinking as "satanic" . I dont understand why people think the Pope is the Antichrist. You cant possibly have read anything that he or pope jpii has written and think that. I dont understand hiw people can be so blind and ignorant as to think that everything is so "black and white" cant you see the problem with that way thinking? I wish we could love one another as Christ loves us. I think it will happen soon.
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Protestants similar to Palestinians don't want peace
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Some of the finest people i have ever met were God fearing Protestant men and women, who loved the Lord with all of their heart. We all have our Nutters, especially we Catholics, but our love of Jesus is common ground. Terra Firma!
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It's a nice video i watched it. I'm curious have you seen this one.

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Not seen that one Semper Fi. Thanks
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Do me a favor watch this video real quick and tell me what you think.

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Saw about half and skipped through the rest of it. I had never heard of her but if she claims to have a vision or revelation or apparition of a supernatural nature, claims that it has a message for the Church, Not saying she is lying, but rather that her experience was based on environmental factors in her life. Private revelation is a tricky thing... I am also a little concerned that she fell into a coma but was not taken to the hospital from what I can make of this story. 23 hours in coma and no hospital, interesting the people in Hell, so many were famous????.

My take is a false vision. The name Jehovah in itself is wrong, it should be Yahweh.

She claimed she saw "streets of gold." There's no streets of gold in Heaven. See Revelation, it's singular "street," a symbolism of One Church of God.

She also said Jesus was "crying" in Heaven. Well, there's no tears in Heaven, right??? or wrong;

Her Pastor likely is a Protestant, chances are she has heard terrible things about the Church that has been emotionally impressed upon her.

Best case scenario, imagination or mental illness. Worst case, the deceit of Satan

Just my summary Semper Fi

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Why do you pray the rosary when the Bible expressley says do not use repetitive prayer like the heathen do, and why do you pray to Mary and saints when we direct access to God through Jesus Christ??? And why do you worship statues?
 Quoting: The watcher 1960


WE have gone over this about 10 times. LOL if you want i will post it again
 Quoting: Monkey Breath


Besides all the previous replies about what the Rosary is, did you know that the angels in heaven repeat holy holy holy to God? Yes, they do and it's in the bible in Revelations. See if you can find it yourself. It's another one of those glossed over scriptures that Protestants like to ignore. I think we can learn a lot from one another if we work together. I like the fact that protestants emphasize a personal relationship with Jesus. I usually love the Protestant zeal except when they get rude and hateful. I wish protestants wouldnt ignore the mother of Christ. I like their services which are usually very lively and joyful, but i also like the reverence of the Catholic Mass i like the protestant emphasis on the bible. I also like how Catholics incorporate scriptures into the Mass. I agree with those who say the Vatican is corrupted by money and power and I wish they would do even more than they do for the poor. I dont understand why people bash Mother Therese who led such a good example of a holy life and did so much to help those who were neglected in India. What is the world coming to if people cannot see the good that she has done simply because she is Catholic and people choose to lump all Catholics together into a stereotype of their own choosing. I dont understand hiw anyone can view everything that does not agree with their way of thinking as "satanic" . I dont understand why people think the Pope is the Antichrist. You cant possibly have read anything that he or pope jpii has written and think that. I dont understand hiw people can be so blind and ignorant as to think that everything is so "black and white" cant you see the problem with that way thinking? I wish we could love one another as Christ loves us. I think it will happen soon.
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You people are truly amazing. It's like you really are hypnotized beyond all hope. You can be shown the grotesque errors of the "mother" church, over and over and over again, and none of it ever sinks in.

You just completely IGNORE a dozen centuries of unbelievably evil and brutal history. They didn't call it the DARK ages for nothing. Monkey Breath (the guy who initially LIED and said that he wasn't a catholic until it became obvious he was lying) would have us return to the age of darkness, where people who disagreed with the "mother" church were rooted out and exterminated. Tortured to death for "heresy".

"Heresy". Actually worshiping God according to the dictates of your OWN conscience, and the scriptures, rather than obeying the paganized traditions and ritualism of the "mother" church". No WONDER our founders were so careful to make freedom of religion NUMBER ONE, in the Bill of Rights. They3had just fled Europe, where there had been century after century of brutal tyranny by the papacy.

But you idiots just completely IGNORE history, even though it was prophesied in the bible, and the Roman "church" was described in detail, what it would do to God's people, and even right down to the very colors o the church.

I cannot even imagine going through life in the trance that you do. Unable to awaken to even the plainest and clearest truths of the bible, and long list of factual evidences of history. It makes one wonder, how much would it take? Is it even POSSIBLE to awake you from your delusion? If you could hear the actual screams of those burned by your church, and the pleading by hose tortured by your church. Would THAT be enough?

The answer is no. I would not. You are under the exact same DEMONIC possession that the inquisitors were. You are doing exactly as Jesus said you would. Approving of the murders of countless people, thinking you are doing God's will.

And this arrogant, pompous, Monkey Breath imbecile? This guy would make a great cardinal or bishop. He's THAT far gone.
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Why do you pray the rosary when the Bible expressley says do not use repetitive prayer like the heathen do, and why do you pray to Mary and saints when we direct access to God through Jesus Christ??? And why do you worship statues?
 Quoting: The watcher 1960


WE have gone over this about 10 times. LOL if you want i will post it again
 Quoting: Monkey Breath


Besides all the previous replies about what the Rosary is, did you know that the angels in heaven repeat holy holy holy to God? Yes, they do and it's in the bible in Revelations. See if you can find it yourself. It's another one of those glossed over scriptures that Protestants like to ignore. I think we can learn a lot from one another if we work together. I like the fact that protestants emphasize a personal relationship with Jesus. I usually love the Protestant zeal except when they get rude and hateful. I wish protestants wouldnt ignore the mother of Christ. I like their services which are usually very lively and joyful, but i also like the reverence of the Catholic Mass i like the protestant emphasis on the bible. I also like how Catholics incorporate scriptures into the Mass. I agree with those who say the Vatican is corrupted by money and power and I wish they would do even more than they do for the poor. I dont understand why people bash Mother Therese who led such a good example of a holy life and did so much to help those who were neglected in India. What is the world coming to if people cannot see the good that she has done simply because she is Catholic and people choose to lump all Catholics together into a stereotype of their own choosing. I dont understand hiw anyone can view everything that does not agree with their way of thinking as "satanic" . I dont understand why people think the Pope is the Antichrist. You cant possibly have read anything that he or pope jpii has written and think that. I dont understand hiw people can be so blind and ignorant as to think that everything is so "black and white" cant you see the problem with that way thinking? I wish we could love one another as Christ loves us. I think it will happen soon.
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You people are truly amazing. It's like you really are hypnotized beyond all hope. You can be shown the grotesque errors of the "mother" church, over and over and over again, and none of it ever sinks in.

You just completely IGNORE a dozen centuries of unbelievably evil and brutal history. They didn't call it the DARK ages for nothing. Monkey Breath (the guy who initially LIED and said that he wasn't a catholic until it became obvious he was lying) would have us return to the age of darkness, where people who disagreed with the "mother" church were rooted out and exterminated. Tortured to death for "heresy".

"Heresy". Actually worshiping God according to the dictates of your OWN conscience, and the scriptures, rather than obeying the paganized traditions and ritualism of the "mother" church". No WONDER our founders were so careful to make freedom of religion NUMBER ONE, in the Bill of Rights. They3had just fled Europe, where there had been century after century of brutal tyranny by the papacy.

But you idiots just completely IGNORE history, even though it was prophesied in the bible, and the Roman "church" was described in detail, what it would do to God's people, and even right down to the very colors o the church.

I cannot even imagine going through life in the trance that you do. Unable to awaken to even the plainest and clearest truths of the bible, and long list of factual evidences of history. It makes one wonder, how much would it take? Is it even POSSIBLE to awake you from your delusion? If you could hear the actual screams of those burned by your church, and the pleading by hose tortured by your church. Would THAT be enough?

The answer is no. I would not. You are under the exact same DEMONIC possession that the inquisitors were. You are doing exactly as Jesus said you would. Approving of the murders of countless people, thinking you are doing God's will.

And this arrogant, pompous, Monkey Breath imbecile? This guy would make a great cardinal or bishop. He's THAT far gone.
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Can you please show me where i lied about being a Catholic. No one has ever accused me of that one. LOL please show me, i would like to see. The evidence for this assertion should be easy to find. PAX

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You can always tell a demon possessed Catholic., They are super determined, and impervious to truth of any kind. It's like water off a ducks back, and they just keep trudging right along, with anything that's true unable to penetrate the demonic delusion.

Funny too. Because this Monkey Breath demon LIED and said that he's "not a catholic". You can go back in the thread and see for yourself. He's a deceptive LIAR.

And now, he's the single most determined catholic on this thread. This pompous LIAR expects you to bow down to his "knowledge" and "authority", after he started off his presence in this thread with a BLATANT lie.
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Why would i lie about being Catholic, i think you have me mixed up with someone else. Please show me otherwise.
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WE have gone over this about 10 times. LOL if you want i will post it again
 Quoting: Monkey Breath


Besides all the previous replies about what the Rosary is, did you know that the angels in heaven repeat holy holy holy to God? Yes, they do and it's in the bible in Revelations. See if you can find it yourself. It's another one of those glossed over scriptures that Protestants like to ignore. I think we can learn a lot from one another if we work together. I like the fact that protestants emphasize a personal relationship with Jesus. I usually love the Protestant zeal except when they get rude and hateful. I wish protestants wouldnt ignore the mother of Christ. I like their services which are usually very lively and joyful, but i also like the reverence of the Catholic Mass i like the protestant emphasis on the bible. I also like how Catholics incorporate scriptures into the Mass. I agree with those who say the Vatican is corrupted by money and power and I wish they would do even more than they do for the poor. I dont understand why people bash Mother Therese who led such a good example of a holy life and did so much to help those who were neglected in India. What is the world coming to if people cannot see the good that she has done simply because she is Catholic and people choose to lump all Catholics together into a stereotype of their own choosing. I dont understand hiw anyone can view everything that does not agree with their way of thinking as "satanic" . I dont understand why people think the Pope is the Antichrist. You cant possibly have read anything that he or pope jpii has written and think that. I dont understand hiw people can be so blind and ignorant as to think that everything is so "black and white" cant you see the problem with that way thinking? I wish we could love one another as Christ loves us. I think it will happen soon.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1034800




You people are truly amazing. It's like you really are hypnotized beyond all hope. You can be shown the grotesque errors of the "mother" church, over and over and over again, and none of it ever sinks in.

You just completely IGNORE a dozen centuries of unbelievably evil and brutal history. They didn't call it the DARK ages for nothing. Monkey Breath (the guy who initially LIED and said that he wasn't a catholic until it became obvious he was lying) would have us return to the age of darkness, where people who disagreed with the "mother" church were rooted out and exterminated. Tortured to death for "heresy".

"Heresy". Actually worshiping God according to the dictates of your OWN conscience, and the scriptures, rather than obeying the paganized traditions and ritualism of the "mother" church". No WONDER our founders were so careful to make freedom of religion NUMBER ONE, in the Bill of Rights. They3had just fled Europe, where there had been century after century of brutal tyranny by the papacy.

But you idiots just completely IGNORE history, even though it was prophesied in the bible, and the Roman "church" was described in detail, what it would do to God's people, and even right down to the very colors o the church.

I cannot even imagine going through life in the trance that you do. Unable to awaken to even the plainest and clearest truths of the bible, and long list of factual evidences of history. It makes one wonder, how much would it take? Is it even POSSIBLE to awake you from your delusion? If you could hear the actual screams of those burned by your church, and the pleading by hose tortured by your church. Would THAT be enough?

The answer is no. I would not. You are under the exact same DEMONIC possession that the inquisitors were. You are doing exactly as Jesus said you would. Approving of the murders of countless people, thinking you are doing God's will.

And this arrogant, pompous, Monkey Breath imbecile? This guy would make a great cardinal or bishop. He's THAT far gone.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21319967


Can you please show me where i lied about being a Catholic. No one has ever accused me of that one. LOL please show me, i would like to see. The evidence for this assertion should be easy to find. PAX
 Quoting: Monkey Breath





Wow... Now we are getting a full demonstration of just how much of a liar and deceiver you are. It's been REMOVED. Edited right out, by YOU.

You are a real piece of work, Monkey Breath. Not only are you sitting on this thread, guarding it like a hawk, hour after hour, after hour, but you are also covering your tracks too.

That's OK. I'm sure there are others here who SAW you claim that you are not catholic, and who also see that the claim has been REMOVED.

One thing is for sure, you certainly are dedicated, just like the torturers and murderers of your church. The same type of demonic spirit that HIDES evidence of pedophilia, and child molestation, and shuffles it over to another parish, instead of excommunicating it.

You're sick. And God isn't fooled. You will go down in flames with Babylon.
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Jesus is rather explicit in HIS Witness about those persons He and Father KNOW... From matt ch 7:


21. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23. And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


A person is a "worker of iniquity" if they have not yet been Born-Again. Ezekiel 36 Born-Again...

Never get a response from any "catholic apologist" here, except "which Bible are you quoting from"...

Only those Given A New Heart BY The Father are Born-Again.
You KNOW you have Been In-HIS Presence and made your surrender; or you never have. Kind of like Knowing you were at your wedding, or your graduation ceremony, at your mother's funeral. About ten million times more unforgettable to have given your life Unto The Father.


Workers of iniquity.

Very hard for me to see any Ezekiel 36 Born-Again remaining a practicing catholic.


God doesn't leave you if Born-Again. You have no illusion about the catholic communion apostasy. No illusion about "confession". You are Given Witness from The Holy Spirit if you might have occasion to consider committing a sin. It is your decision to commit a transgression that would alienate you from God. Why would anyone who Loves God More than anything else in their life seek self-will over HIS Will? They wouldn't...


My Relationship With The Father is a million times more vital and Real than anything I experienced of catholicism. catholicism is all a head game. The priests, brothers, nuns (all clergy) are fallible and human.

Were they Ezekiel 36 Born-Agains they would live in total confidence and free from sin; yet they cannot and do not...

catholicism is a lie.

Look at the other mainstream reformation churches that have re-unioned with rome. Lutherans, Presbyterians, Episcopal, Methodist, All are lost in alienation and perverted from their historical roots. catholics just have a 1800 year longer experience with having deviated from the Traditions Established By The Apostles & Disciples...


The committed catholic will NEVER accept a witness from a non-catholic. They are indoctrinated to believe that all who acclaim Christ, but aren't "of the true faith" will go to hell and they fear anything but what clergy tells them...



Nicodemus rejected Jesus' Witness. How much more do catholics reject HIM when they DENY The Purpose of HIS Sacrifice and Reason For Being Born into this world? Namely To Enable all men whose hearts were Called By The Father to Come Unto HIM.


If you Love God Truly, catholicism is the snake in the Garden of Eden that would deny your heart Unto The Father.

Jesus had no interest in worldly affairs, but the catholic church is actively seeking destruction of sovereign nations and dominance in economic matters all over the world. Render unto God that which is God's etc...


How many Latin Americans have died due to the church's policy of Revolution Theology? Of course, they're only meztisos so they don't really count in rome, but talking millions.

How does American catholic charities inc manage to subvert law and policy and sponsor illegal aliens and ship them to destinations like Alaska where few South Americans would intend to settle? How do they function w/o catholic charities employing them or finding them jobs and housing?

What is the purpose? It ain't about "religion"...
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Jesus is rather explicit in HIS Witness about those persons He and Father KNOW... From matt ch 7:


21. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23. And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


A person is a "worker of iniquity" if they have not yet been Born-Again. Ezekiel 36 Born-Again...

Never get a response from any "catholic apologist" here, except "which Bible are you quoting from"...

Only those Given A New Heart BY The Father are Born-Again.
You KNOW you have Been In-HIS Presence and made your surrender; or you never have. Kind of like Knowing you were at your wedding, or your graduation ceremony, at your mother's funeral. About ten million times more unforgettable to have given your life Unto The Father.


Workers of iniquity.

Very hard for me to see any Ezekiel 36 Born-Again remaining a practicing catholic.


God doesn't leave you if Born-Again. You have no illusion about the catholic communion apostasy. No illusion about "confession". You are Given Witness from The Holy Spirit if you might have occasion to consider committing a sin. It is your decision to commit a transgression that would alienate you from God. Why would anyone who Loves God More than anything else in their life seek self-will over HIS Will? They wouldn't...


My Relationship With The Father is a million times more vital and Real than anything I experienced of catholicism. catholicism is all a head game. The priests, brothers, nuns (all clergy) are fallible and human.

Were they Ezekiel 36 Born-Agains they would live in total confidence and free from sin; yet they cannot and do not...

catholicism is a lie.

Look at the other mainstream reformation churches that have re-unioned with rome. Lutherans, Presbyterians, Episcopal, Methodist, All are lost in alienation and perverted from their historical roots. catholics just have a 1800 year longer experience with having deviated from the Traditions Established By The Apostles & Disciples...


The committed catholic will NEVER accept a witness from a non-catholic. They are indoctrinated to believe that all who acclaim Christ, but aren't "of the true faith" will go to hell and they fear anything but what clergy tells them...



Nicodemus rejected Jesus' Witness. How much more do catholics reject HIM when they DENY The Purpose of HIS Sacrifice and Reason For Being Born into this world? Namely To Enable all men whose hearts were Called By The Father to Come Unto HIM.


If you Love God Truly, catholicism is the snake in the Garden of Eden that would deny your heart Unto The Father.

Jesus had no interest in worldly affairs, but the catholic church is actively seeking destruction of sovereign nations and dominance in economic matters all over the world. Render unto God that which is God's etc...


How many Latin Americans have died due to the church's policy of Revolution Theology? Of course, they're only meztisos so they don't really count in rome, but talking millions.

How does American catholic charities inc manage to subvert law and policy and sponsor illegal aliens and ship them to destinations like Alaska where few South Americans would intend to settle? How do they function w/o catholic charities employing them or finding them jobs and housing?

What is the purpose? It ain't about "religion"...
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EXCELLENT post Lester.

These people need to be EXPOSED for what they are, in order to avoid another dark ages. But alas, the prophecies will come to pass, and people like Monkey Breath will enjoy a short season of absolute horrors again, before they are are destroyed. With 6 catholics sitting on the supreme court, and a Vatican in full apostasy, it won't be much longer.
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Hi GLP just got on, and WOW is this a HOT Button Topic or What?! People are CRAZY... Catholic or NON. Ill tell you this THE WORLD will ALWAYS Resent us. BUT Be Proud, Catholics around the WORLD. Stand Up for what we KNOW is Right! This thread is TOOO Crazy to respond to questions today or even tomorrow. Anti Catholic HATE is Everywhere, and even though im accustomed to it. I LOVE ALL my Brothers and Sisters in Christ TOO Much. Too Cause all these Arguments. Perhaps when People start to LOVE One Another I will Gladly answer some Questions at a Later Date. MUCH LOVE GLP... and GOD BLESS.

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Besides all the previous replies about what the Rosary is, did you know that the angels in heaven repeat holy holy holy to God? Yes, they do and it's in the bible in Revelations. See if you can find it yourself. It's another one of those glossed over scriptures that Protestants like to ignore. I think we can learn a lot from one another if we work together. I like the fact that protestants emphasize a personal relationship with Jesus. I usually love the Protestant zeal except when they get rude and hateful. I wish protestants wouldnt ignore the mother of Christ. I like their services which are usually very lively and joyful, but i also like the reverence of the Catholic Mass i like the protestant emphasis on the bible. I also like how Catholics incorporate scriptures into the Mass. I agree with those who say the Vatican is corrupted by money and power and I wish they would do even more than they do for the poor. I dont understand why people bash Mother Therese who led such a good example of a holy life and did so much to help those who were neglected in India. What is the world coming to if people cannot see the good that she has done simply because she is Catholic and people choose to lump all Catholics together into a stereotype of their own choosing. I dont understand hiw anyone can view everything that does not agree with their way of thinking as "satanic" . I dont understand why people think the Pope is the Antichrist. You cant possibly have read anything that he or pope jpii has written and think that. I dont understand hiw people can be so blind and ignorant as to think that everything is so "black and white" cant you see the problem with that way thinking? I wish we could love one another as Christ loves us. I think it will happen soon.
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You people are truly amazing. It's like you really are hypnotized beyond all hope. You can be shown the grotesque errors of the "mother" church, over and over and over again, and none of it ever sinks in.

You just completely IGNORE a dozen centuries of unbelievably evil and brutal history. They didn't call it the DARK ages for nothing. Monkey Breath (the guy who initially LIED and said that he wasn't a catholic until it became obvious he was lying) would have us return to the age of darkness, where people who disagreed with the "mother" church were rooted out and exterminated. Tortured to death for "heresy".

"Heresy". Actually worshiping God according to the dictates of your OWN conscience, and the scriptures, rather than obeying the paganized traditions and ritualism of the "mother" church". No WONDER our founders were so careful to make freedom of religion NUMBER ONE, in the Bill of Rights. They3had just fled Europe, where there had been century after century of brutal tyranny by the papacy.

But you idiots just completely IGNORE history, even though it was prophesied in the bible, and the Roman "church" was described in detail, what it would do to God's people, and even right down to the very colors o the church.

I cannot even imagine going through life in the trance that you do. Unable to awaken to even the plainest and clearest truths of the bible, and long list of factual evidences of history. It makes one wonder, how much would it take? Is it even POSSIBLE to awake you from your delusion? If you could hear the actual screams of those burned by your church, and the pleading by hose tortured by your church. Would THAT be enough?

The answer is no. I would not. You are under the exact same DEMONIC possession that the inquisitors were. You are doing exactly as Jesus said you would. Approving of the murders of countless people, thinking you are doing God's will.

And this arrogant, pompous, Monkey Breath imbecile? This guy would make a great cardinal or bishop. He's THAT far gone.
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Can you please show me where i lied about being a Catholic. No one has ever accused me of that one. LOL please show me, i would like to see. The evidence for this assertion should be easy to find. PAX
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Wow... Now we are getting a full demonstration of just how much of a liar and deceiver you are. It's been REMOVED. Edited right out, by YOU.

You are a real piece of work, Monkey Breath. Not only are you sitting on this thread, guarding it like a hawk, hour after hour, after hour, but you are also covering your tracks too.

That's OK. I'm sure there are others here who SAW you claim that you are not catholic, and who also see that the claim has been REMOVED.

One thing is for sure, you certainly are dedicated, just like the torturers and murderers of your church. The same type of demonic spirit that HIDES evidence of pedophilia, and child molestation, and shuffles it over to another parish, instead of excommunicating it.

You're sick. And God isn't fooled. You will go down in flames with Babylon.
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I have never in my life denied my Catholic faith. One would think my presence here alone would vouch for that. Perhaps you thought it was somone else, none of my post have been anything but Catholic. LOL It makes absolutely no sense.

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If the Church is the body of Christ, how can there be division in Christ?
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Many are just regional churches or denominations. Sometimes liberalism such as women pastors causes a split. Other times the enemy comes in and causes this, or even founds a church.

What we are not to have is universal unity with wickedness: "be ye separate". Rome has unity with witch doctors, voodoo, Islam and much more.
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We have unity with Islam. LOL never heard about the Crusades?
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The Crusades were similar to what we see today as Washington DC (Rome) fights with Islam. This only moves Islam into the west and gives an excuse to cleanse the land of Christians. Rome's enemies.

Rome created Islam to cleans the entire middle east of Christians, both Nazarines and Orthodox. Papal foes!



Islam, the best enemy money can buy!

Mohammad was 25 years old when he married a 40 year old rich widow named Khadija. She was a nun and her rich backers had BIG plans for Mohammad.

There are so many similarities between the religion of Mohammad and the Vatican that we can only name a few for now.

• Both religions believe in using FORCE to spread their version of the one true god to the unbelievers.

• Both religions believe in a union with the State or of using the police powers of the State to compel obedience to their tenets.

• Both religions have a "holy" shrine in which the believers are taught to look to as their headquarters e.g. Mecca and the Vatican.

• Both place great importance on Fatima.

• Both elevate Mary as goddess of heaven.

• Both use rosary/worry beads.

• Both lessen the deity of Jesus.

Since Islam and the Vatican have so many similarities we don't have to look very far to find their common origin as long as we know a little about the Bible and history.

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Protestants similar to Palestinians don't want peace
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Just the opposite - Rome & Islam are the aggressors with an empire and global crusade/jihad. Everyone else is on the defense, including Israel and Protestant regions.
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I dont understand hiw anyone can view everything that does not agree with their way of thinking as "satanic" .

I dont understand why people think the Pope is the Antichrist.

You cant possibly have read anything that he or pope jpii has written and think that.

I dont understand hiw people can be so blind and ignorant as to think that everything is so "black and white" cant you see the problem with that way thinking? I wish we could love one another as Christ loves us. I think it will happen soon.
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Worship of any man who claims to be god on earth and 'vicar of christ' making his own sun religion we are told by God in the Bible is Satanic. We are to follow God not any man.

Not just the Pope but the entire Roman Church is anti christ 'another jesus', always has been.

The pope JPII wrote in his book that he was in place of Jesus with all power.

We can love all people on earth that does not mean all people on earth are saved. We are told who is saved - only those who follow Jesus, and nobody else, no pope needed.
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Im a Catholic Christian if you are referring to me.
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From page 8 of last night question from the OP asking if i was a christian
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You people are truly amazing. It's like you really are hypnotized beyond all hope. You can be shown the grotesque errors of the "mother" church, over and over and over again, and none of it ever sinks in.

You just completely IGNORE a dozen centuries of unbelievably evil and brutal history. They didn't call it the DARK ages for nothing. Monkey Breath (the guy who initially LIED and said that he wasn't a catholic until it became obvious he was lying) would have us return to the age of darkness, where people who disagreed with the "mother" church were rooted out and exterminated. Tortured to death for "heresy".

"Heresy". Actually worshiping God according to the dictates of your OWN conscience, and the scriptures, rather than obeying the paganized traditions and ritualism of the "mother" church". No WONDER our founders were so careful to make freedom of religion NUMBER ONE, in the Bill of Rights. They3had just fled Europe, where there had been century after century of brutal tyranny by the papacy.

But you idiots just completely IGNORE history, even though it was prophesied in the bible, and the Roman "church" was described in detail, what it would do to God's people, and even right down to the very colors o the church.

I cannot even imagine going through life in the trance that you do. Unable to awaken to even the plainest and clearest truths of the bible, and long list of factual evidences of history. It makes one wonder, how much would it take? Is it even POSSIBLE to awake you from your delusion? If you could hear the actual screams of those burned by your church, and the pleading by hose tortured by your church. Would THAT be enough?

The answer is no. I would not. You are under the exact same DEMONIC possession that the inquisitors were. You are doing exactly as Jesus said you would. Approving of the murders of countless people, thinking you are doing God's will.

And this arrogant, pompous, Monkey Breath imbecile? This guy would make a great cardinal or bishop. He's THAT far gone.
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Can you please show me where i lied about being a Catholic. No one has ever accused me of that one. LOL please show me, i would like to see. The evidence for this assertion should be easy to find. PAX
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Wow... Now we are getting a full demonstration of just how much of a liar and deceiver you are. It's been REMOVED. Edited right out, by YOU.

You are a real piece of work, Monkey Breath. Not only are you sitting on this thread, guarding it like a hawk, hour after hour, after hour, but you are also covering your tracks too.

That's OK. I'm sure there are others here who SAW you claim that you are not catholic, and who also see that the claim has been REMOVED.

One thing is for sure, you certainly are dedicated, just like the torturers and murderers of your church. The same type of demonic spirit that HIDES evidence of pedophilia, and child molestation, and shuffles it over to another parish, instead of excommunicating it.

You're sick. And God isn't fooled. You will go down in flames with Babylon.
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I have never in my life denied my Catholic faith. One would think my presence here alone would vouch for that. Perhaps you thought it was somone else, none of my post have been anything but Catholic. LOL It makes absolutely no sense.
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Ignore the AC. I'm loving this conversation and learning a great deal. It is abundantly clear that Monkey is a Catholic. Okay, carry on please...

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Those claims that that THE CHURCH killed millions are just historically inaccurate. These myths were propagated during and after the Protestant Reformation and are often referred to as the Black Myth. Any who make such claims should provide the evidence to substantiate them.
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This is the single most preposterous post in this entire thread. This guy Monkey breath is an absolute WOLF in sheep's clothing. But he is so incredibly obvious that he's more like a wolf in WOLF'S clothing.

To actually try to claim that the millions, and millions, and millions, who were killed by the Roman church between 538 AD and 1798 AD is the absolute HEIGHT of pure insanity. This period of history is so thoroughly recorded and documented, to try and claim otherwise, would be the equivalent of denying ALL of history.

How would you like to be one of the millions of people martyred by this evil system, and then later (just like the holocaust in Germany), have evil people like monkey breath (who agree with murder) claiming that you were NOT murdered?

The only people that believe (and teach) that the medieval SLAUGHTER was merely a "myth", are the people who BELONG to the very system that committed all of these atrocities! You might a well ask the pope if the catholic church is "good".

Would you REALLY expect to receive the truth?

But just in case you need further evidence that Monkey Breath is a WORLD CLASS LIAR, consider the fact that the previous pope ADMITTED and APOLOGIZED for, the klilling of 50 million people!

And 50 million is the CATHOLIC estimate. The REAL total is between 100 and 200 million, between the years of 538 AD and 1798 AD.

The problem is, the Jesuits have thoroughly infiltrated the education system, and REAL history is no longer taught, as it was during the 1800's and early 1900's. So people like Monkey Breath are counting on the memory of all of the millions of martyrs to fade into oblivion.
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Those claims that that THE CHURCH killed millions are just historically inaccurate. These myths were propagated during and after the Protestant Reformation and are often referred to as the Black Myth. Any who make such claims should provide the evidence to substantiate them.
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This is the single most preposterous post in this entire thread. This guy Monkey breath is an absolute WOLF in sheep's clothing. But he is so incredibly obvious that he's more like a wolf in WOLF'S clothing.

To actually try to claim that the millions, and millions, and millions, who were killed by the Roman church between 538 AD and 1798 AD is the absolute HEIGHT of pure insanity. This period of history is so thoroughly recorded and documented, to try and claim otherwise, would be the equivalent of denying ALL of history.

How would you like to be one of the millions of people martyred by this evil system, and then later (just like the holocaust in Germany), have evil people like monkey breath (who agree with murder) claiming that you were NOT murdered?

The only people that believe (and teach) that the medieval SLAUGHTER was merely a "myth", are the people who BELONG to the very system that committed all of these atrocities! You might a well ask the pope if the catholic church is "good".

Would you REALLY expect to receive the truth?

But just in case you need further evidence that Monkey Breath is a WORLD CLASS LIAR, consider the fact that the previous pope ADMITTED and APOLOGIZED for, the klilling of 50 million people!

And 50 million is the CATHOLIC estimate. The REAL total is between 100 and 200 million, between the years of 538 AD and 1798 AD.

The problem is, the Jesuits have thoroughly infiltrated the education system, and REAL history is no longer taught, as it was during the 1800's and early 1900's. So people like Monkey Breath are counting on the memory of all of the millions of martyrs to fade into oblivion.
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I couldn't agree more. Like much of the Catholic clergy is, Monkey Breath is, indeed, a wolf in sheep's clothing. It's so obvious, it's laughable. The Roman Catholic church is corrupt, and rotten to the core. It's sad that there are so many dupes who have been thoroughly indoctrinated by this system, to the point that they blindly follow their programming, rather than do any research outside of the RCC box. One can only hope that they recognize what has been done to them, before it's too late.
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Watch this 78 part series entitled "Know Your Enemy". Not only will you be greatly blessed and enlightened, but they are very interesting to the point where you will look forward to each video (which lasts between 10-15 minutes each) and find yourself watching several in a session.

All of the series can be found from the intro (part 1) video page:

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Protestants similar to Palestinians don't want peace
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Just the opposite - Rome & Islam are the aggressors with an empire and global crusade/jihad. Everyone else is on the defense, including Israel and Protestant regions.
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Yes. The Roman church, and Islam. They have always been the aggressors. And they have both cast spells over the minds of billions of people. Together, they have been the instigators of almost all of the worlds wars and major conflicts, since medieval times. Even the wars that are not commonly attributed to them, because they were orchestrated surreptitiously, behind the scenes.

All roads truly DO lead to Rome. Including Islam!

And these MAMMOTH religious are hardly what would describe "the remnant" of God's people, who will be saved. But they certainly do describe all those who would "wonder after the beast", as Satan deceives the vast majority of mankind.

Many are called, but few chosen. Narrow is the gate that leads to life, and few be that find it. Broad is the path that leads to destruction, and many go that way. Billions of people are literally mesmerized by these two gigantic institutions, which have both used force as their modus operandi. Both martyring uncountable millions and millions of people.

To actually say (with a straight face) that either one of these mega abominations is "God's church" is not only ridiculous, buy demonic!
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OP, there is a thread up today asking what blocks the
sun in the 3 Days of Darkness. I posted a prophecy.

Our Lord answers your question.

By the time of the 3 days of darkness, all Christians will
be Roman Catholic (converted via the Great Warning) and in hiding at the refuges.

Evil will be removed from the earth this time by God's fire.

If you're anti-Catholic, you won't believe this prophecy.
I am sorry. Don't be anti-Catholic, ask questions, you will get answers, you'll hear the truth and there is only one truth.

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Jesus said: “My people, this large rainfall in the vision that caused a flood, is a sign as in Noah’s time when the Son of Man will return. You are seeing the evil as bad as in Noah’s time when My justice will fall upon the earth. You will be seeing continuous disasters, and the financial money systems will be failing all over the world, as the debts of each nation will bring them into default. There is a plan by the one world people to destroy all of your governments so they can start a new currency in your North American Union called the amero. Unions will be formed on every continent, and all of these unions will be given over to the Antichrist as a savior for your economic crash. The Antichrist will quickly become a tyrant for the 3 ½ years of the tribulation. When this crash of currencies, martial law, and mandatory chips in the body occurs, My faithful will need to go to My refuges for protection. Once this time of tribulation is finished, I will bring My Comet of Chastisement on the evil ones in the three days of darkness, and they will be cast into hell. My faithful will be protected from the comet, and they will be brought into My Era of Peace after I renew the earth. Rejoice when all the evil ones will be defeated, and I will reward My faithful in the new heavens and new earth.”
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Some of the finest people i have ever met were God fearing Protestant men and women, who loved the Lord with all of their heart. We all have our Nutters, especially we Catholics, but our love of Jesus is common ground. Terra Firma!
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Hi Monkey, rose

Protestants are wonderful people who love Jesus with all their heart and then the Catholic negative. Why?

Too long, Catholics flatter Protestants thinking this will bring Protestants to the faith. I know it's difficult changing but for some, it's going to take Our Lord Himself to say to them...


"Heaven is Roman Catholic, follow Me, accept all I have given you, come to the faith. My arms are outstretched."


Believe it or not, this is going to happen and soon...
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I dont understand hiw anyone can view everything that does not agree with their way of thinking as "satanic" .

I dont understand why people think the Pope is the Antichrist.

You cant possibly have read anything that he or pope jpii has written and think that.

I dont understand hiw people can be so blind and ignorant as to think that everything is so "black and white" cant you see the problem with that way thinking? I wish we could love one another as Christ loves us. I think it will happen soon.
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Worship of any man who claims to be god on earth and 'vicar of christ' making his own sun religion we are told by God in the Bible is Satanic. We are to follow God not any man.

Not just the Pope but the entire Roman Church is anti christ 'another jesus', always has been.

The pope JPII wrote in his book that he was in place of Jesus with all power.

We can love all people on earth that does not mean all people on earth are saved. We are told who is saved - only those who follow Jesus, and nobody else, no pope needed.
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Thread: Sunday is the 7th day Sabbath, Saith God Almighty. The Lord of hosts.


1 Kings (1 Samuel) 12:14
If you will fear the Lord, and serve him, and hearken to his voice, and not provoke the mouth of the Lord: then shall both you, and the king who reigneth over you, be followers of the Lord your God.


Jeremias (Jeremiah) 50: [29] Declare to many against Babylon, to all that bend the bow: stand together against her round about, and let none escape; pay her according to her work: according to all that she hath done, do ye to her: for she hath lifted up herself against the Lord, against the Holy One of Israel.

[30] Therefore shall her young men fall in her streets: and all her men of war shall hold their peace in that day, saith the Lord.

[31] Behold I come against thee, O proud one, saith the Lord the God of hosts: for thy day is come, the time of thy visitation. [32] And the proud one shall fall, he shall fall down, and there shall be none to lift him up: and I will kindle a fire in his cities, and it shall devour all round about him.

Judith 11:8
For it is certain that our God is so offended with sins, that he hath sent word by his prophets to the people, that he will deliver them up for their sins.



1 Corinthians 10:32
Be without offence to the Jews, and to the Gentiles, and to the church of God:

found phrase
Take heed to yourselves, and to the whole flock, wherein the Holy Ghost hath placed you bishops, to rule the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

Matthew 18:17
And if he will not hear them: tell the church. And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican.

2 Corinthians 4: [3] And if our gospel be also hid, it is hid to them that are lost, [4] In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of unbelievers, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not shine unto them.





Ezechiel (Ezeckiel) 16:59
For thus saith the Lord God: I will deal with thee, as thou hast despised the oath, in breaking the covenant:



Ezechiel (Ezeckiel) 18:32
For I desire not the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord God, return ye and live.



Zacharias (Zachariah) 13:2
And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord of hosts, that I will destroy the names of idols out of the earth, and they shall be remembered no more: and I will take away the false prophets, and the unclean spirit out of the earth.


Job 36:14
Their soul shall die in a storm, and their life among the effeminate.


Man is possessed by a gay demon

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Matthew 7:[21] Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven.

[22] Many will say to me in that day: Lord, Lord, have not we prophesied in thy name, and cast out devils in thy name, and done many miracles in thy name? [23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity.


John 8:21
Again therefore Jesus said to them: I go, and you shall seek me, and you shall die in your sin. Whither I go, you cannot come.

Ezechiel (Ezeckiel) 20: [47] And say to the south forest: Hear the word of the Lord: Thus saith the Lord God: Behold I will kindle a fire in thee, and will burn in thee every green tree, and every dry tree: the flame of the fire shall not be quenched: and every face shall be burned in it, from the south even to the north.

[48] And all flesh shall see, that I the Lord have kindled it, and it shall not be quenched. [49] And I said: Ah, ah, ah, O Lord God: they say of me: Doth not this man speak by parables?
1 Chronicles 16:22 Touch not my anointed: and do no evil to my prophets.
Colossians 2:[21] Touch not, taste not, handle not:


Thread: Jesus began to preach, and to say: Do penance, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.


Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus

Thread: Hell is real and most people are just a breath away from it. Ignorance is no excuse.

3 Kings (1 Kings) 18: [15] And Elias said: As the Lord of hosts liveth, before whose face I stand, this day.

Amos 3:7 For the Lord God doth nothing without revealing his secret to his servants the prophets.

BEHOLD! THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS AT HAND!

Matthew 10: [34] Do not think that I came to send peace upon earth: I came not to send peace, but the sword.


Jeremias (Jeremiah) 25: [27] And thou shalt say to them: Thus saith the Lord of hosts the God of Israel: Drink ye, and be drunken, and vomit: and fall, and rise no more, because of the sword, which I shall send among you.
[28] And if they refuse to take the cup at thy hand to drink, thou shalt say to them: Thus saith the Lord of hosts: Drinking you shall drink:

Jeremias (Jeremiah) 22:[29] O earth, earth, earth, hear the word of the Lord.

Ezechiel (Ezeckiel) 39: [8] Behold it cometh, and it is done, saith the Lord God: this is the day whereof I have spoken.

2 Corinthians 11:31
The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who is blessed for ever, knoweth that I lie not.

Matthew 26:[46] Rise, let us go: behold he is at hand that will betray me.[47] As he yet spoke, behold Judas, one of
the twelve, came.

Aggeus (Haggai) 2: [7] For thus saith the Lord of hosts: Yet one little while, and I will move the heaven and the earth, and the sea, and the dry land.

(Isaiah) 24:[3] With desolation shall the earth be laid waste, and it shall be utterly spoiled: for the Lord hath spoken this word.

Zacharias (Zachariah) 13:7
Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that cleaveth to me, saith the Lord of hosts: strike the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered:

Ezechiel (Ezeckiel) 18:32
For I desire not the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord God, return ye and live.
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