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Message Subject I am a catholic apologist... ask me a question
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In response to the question about when/where does the Eucharist come from I offer my humble apologia:

first a primer...



To be honest this is a conspiracy website - I wouldn't trust the message popular culture offers you - they have an agenda.
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Now we are getting somewhere :-)

This answer is more theological.

First, in answer to your post from yesterday (sorry, I needed some sleep)...

Transubstantiation does not so much matter to me as it does you. My understanding of the RCC is that the RCC considers transubstantiation the main focus of the mass. To me...if somebody calls themselves a member of the RCC, then the most thorough understanding of transubstantiation is necessary...to the RCC member could there be anything more significant? Doesn't one go to confession...so that they can go to communion? Don't the "Last Rights" include communion?


Now responding to your theological answer of yesterday and today...

Do I need to respond to your thoughts of yesterday? That the flesh was from eternity...for brevity I am going to assume that today's response is more in line of what your thinking would be. If I am incorrect in this, please let me know and I will respond to the "flesh from eternity" concept...sorry, I put in quotes, because I don't know a theological name for that concept...even if there is one :-)

First, I will give a brief synopsis of my understanding of the video and then my response..

Synopsis: The flesh and blood are converted "generally" during mass. There are two schools of thought...one stating an instantaneous conversion of bread to flesh and the other school saying that the conversion takes place over two parts...first bread to intermediary state and then intermediary state to flesh.

My response: This appears to be a belief that the flesh of Jesus in the RCC communion is from the present. If so, then there are problems with this belief. The creeds (both the Nicene and Apostle's) agree that Jesus ascended into heaven. Acts 9 records Paul seeing Jesus in heaven...and Paul is blinded by the experience. Revelations 1 describes Jesus as a presence so powerful that John is as if dead from viewing Him. I refer to Acts 9 and Revelations 1 as they are evidence to the changes detailed by 1 Corinthians 15...that Jesus as the first fruit of the Resurrection has taken on spiritual flesh. As noted in 1 Corinthians 15 the earthly flesh cannot take on the spiritual flesh (the mortal cannot take on the immortal). It can't be that the RCC communion contains flesh from Jesus at the present time.

As for posting in another forum or somehow communicating with Hahn or anybody...it is not imperative to me to do this, but, I would think that to any RCC member...there is almost nothing more imperative. Transubstantiation is the focal point of the mass...isn't it incumbent upon you to have the most full understanding of it as you can? How can you fully explain the focal point of the mass, if you yourself do not have full knowledge of the subject matter?

Regards,
AC
 
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