I am a catholic apologist... ask me a question

Unable to HEAR The Gospel...

Even the priests.



They KNOW their consecration & ordination brings them nothing From God. All show and tradition for their order...


No Denomination is Of-God....


Consider that All The Original so-called protestant denominations have signed Re-Union Treaties with rome/rcc.

Only The Baptists have not.
They probably recall the ana-Baptist pogroms and murders too vividly. Recall the forced march from France & Germany to Switzerland during Winter, when mothers' babes were tied to their stomachs and mothers were bound chest to knee and rolled off mountain cliffs by the hundreds by "Defenders of The Faith".


Read Foxe's Book Of Martyrs...



Fucking rcc has killed more human beings that it ever converted. Most of the poor fools are born into the cult and never question or hear Truth...



the rcc and mindless soul-less bastards like these "apologists" will be murdering humanity in fashion to make the Spanish Inquisition look like a toddler's birthday party.


the rcc serves satan.

The mindless minion who gleefully embrace their lies and denial will murder at drop of a hat.


Yet as Jesus Witnesses in John 17, HIS People are Preserved against all evil...



You non-catholics reading this thread ought really consider whether you can Trust God Fully with your lives and if so, take action...

Not much longer now.

Mankind will either be Of-HIM or live in their own alienation and isolation. Not a good place to be...

This is what happens when some one picks and chooses verses from the Bible and uses them as an authority to back their position.

2:27 It means,*you need not go to false apostles and heretics to teach you the truth, for you have already learned it from the Apostles themselves, and that which they taught outwardly, the Holy Spirit must needs teach you within... Bellarmine, (de Verbo Dei, 3.3), who says, “You have no need for a Lutheran or Calvinist to teach you Christian doctrine, because you have been fully taught it by the teaching of the Church, and the aid of the Holy Spirit.”* And St. Augustine thus writes. “I for my part have spoken to all. But they to whom that unction speaks not within, they whom the Holy Spirit teaches not, go away untaught. The outward teachings of a master are a kind of aid and warning, but He who teaches the heart has His seat in heaven. . . . One is your master, even Christ. Let Him speak to you within, when no one is present. For though some one is at*your side, yet there is no one in*your heart. Let there be no one in*your heart, let Christ be in*your heart, let His unction be in*your heart, lest*your heart be athirst in the desert, and have no fountains to water it. The Master who teaches is within, Christ teaches, His inspiration teaches. But where His inspiration and His unction are not, words echo in vain from without.” And so too St. Gregory, expounding these very words, says, “Unless the same spirit be in the heart of the hearer the words of the teacher are useless;” and he adds, “Do not ascribe to the teacher that which*you hear from his lips, for unless He who really teaches you be within, the tongue of the teacher labours outwardly in vain.” (Cornelius a Lapide)

Here is John ch 17, complete.


This is Jesus' last witness to HIS Disciples.
It is HIS Prayer For The Remnant...

HE Prays Unto The Father In HIS Witness to Assure The Disiciples grasp the "specialness" of the situation and HIS Prayer...

Unless you KNOW your life in the terms Jesus Witnesses Here, very doubtful you are Of-HIM...


John 17

1. These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
2. As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
3. And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
4. I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

5. And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

6. I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

7. Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.

8. For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.

9. I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
10. And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.


11. And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

12. While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.



13. And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.

14. I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
15. I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
16. They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.


17. Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
18. As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
19. And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.

20. Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21. That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.


22. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23. I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
24. Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.


25. O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.
26. And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.




This is The Greatest Prayer In Scripture and if you Claim HIM, ought to be readily understood as True in your life.



Sadly, catholics never HEAR or receive guidance from their clergy to grasp The Witness of Christ Jesus.

Jesus is just the tool the rcc uses to control over a billion people and harvest their lucre. the rcc perversion of The Gospel serves God's enemy by denying the parishioners a clear understanding of God's Plan for them.


the rcc apologists here are like Con-men who never stop talking and spewing forth volume of bullshit to confuse and finally make you accept them to get them to stop....


Such is the rcc.
Afterall, what "church" would work for satan and lie in hundreds of ways to its parishioners.



As a consipiracy, there is no man-made conspiracy greater than catholicism....

Thank You for your Illustration of Theology.

Lester, what Bible translation do you read from? Thanks in advance.

Here in Jesus' last Witness before being taken in the garden is HIS Summation, an excerpted several verses, but Verses two and three basically ARE The Gospel...


John 17

1. These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
2. As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
3. And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
4. I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.



As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.



Jesus Given Power over all flesh By The Father, that HE Should Give eternal life to All Given Unto HIM By The Father

That those Given be Enabled To KNOW THEE, (Father) The Only TRUE God.



Knowing God, The purpose Jesus Was Born For. The Propitiation for all sin, as St. Paul Witnesses..



Of-HIM or apart.



Christ Jesus IS Coming In Judgment.
Hard-headed catholic bastards who lead others astray will have much to answer for.

Better not to have been born than to lead on of MY Innocents astray, Jesus Witnesses....


Believe HIM!

Lester, You were born into heresy, it's not your fault. You have been taught propaganda and hate so long, you have no idea what the truth is. You take the Church's bible and try to beat us over the head with it. I suspect you read the King James Bible; which was written to confront the Geneva Bible. The bible of choice to the Puritans who came to this country in response to the King James Bible being too Catholic.

You speak hate to men, even though our battle is a spiritual one. God Bless

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You persecute Christ. Subtly. Your denial is intentional, your heart has no Love For HIM that I can see.

Your love is for your church which twists God's Word in a fashion that supports only its own agenda.


You are either a complete fool who can discern nothing of God's Love For Mankind, or you are a minion of satan playing your masquerade as Christian with expertise.


You are in enmity Unto God and I hate you with The Perfect Hatred of The Psalm 139:

Psalms 139
1. O LORD, thou hast searched me, and known me.
2. Thou knowest my downsitting and mine uprising, thou understandest my thought afar off.
3. Thou compassest my path and my lying down, and art acquainted with all my ways.
4. For there is not a word in my tongue, but, lo, O LORD, thou knowest it altogether.
5. Thou hast beset me behind and before, and laid thine hand upon me.
6. Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; it is high, I cannot attain unto it.
7. Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence?

8. If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.
9. If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea;
10. Even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me.
11. If I say, Surely the darkness shall cover me; even the night shall be light about me.
12. Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee; but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light are both alike to thee.
13. For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb.


14. I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.
15. My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.
16. Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.
17. How precious also are thy thoughts unto me, O God! how great is the sum of them!
18. If I should count them, they are more in number than the sand: when I awake, I am still with thee.



19. Surely thou wilt slay the wicked, O God: depart from me therefore, ye bloody men.

20. For they speak against thee wickedly, and thine enemies take thy name in vain.


21. Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee?
22. I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.
23. Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts:
24. And see if there be any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting.

My friend the Church is Christ, our Lord and Saviour. To love the Church is to love him. Thank you again for the compliments, we know by your hate that we are in the One True Church.

The heresy I was born-into as you say was roman catholicism.

I was lost to God in my catholic devotion, but was Given Relationship With HIM when The Father Accepted the offering I made to HIM of my life.


God Has Guided my life for almost 29yrs and I was a staunch and well-educated catholic before HE Gave me A New Heart Of HIS Flesh...



You have been played or you are one actively playing catholic parishioners.


catholicism is a nest of lies woven into a cult that can tolerate not one Word Of Truth...

catholicism is an extremely harmful dysfunction that serves to deny its parishioners from The Way Unto The Father that Christ Jesus Gave HIS Life To Enable.



You are a wretch who will not Hear The Gospel no matter how many ways it comes to you...

Rather doubtful you were Called By The Father on any level.



There is and can be no fulfillment of humanity through catholicism

Lester you were born during a dark period in the Church's history. It happens about every five hundred years. God is testing us, teaching us, growing us. Their is nothing wrong with what the Church thinks, only how men live. I hope you will return and help rebuild his church, like St Francis. Protesting is not bringing about unity in the Body of Christ.

Please return and help rebuild.

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I would like to say this.

I have no denominational affiliation.

I was told the good news about Jesus Christ and simply believed by faith.

Was baptized by faith and continue to walk and pray by faith everyday.

GOD has shown Himself Mighty in my life and I am thankful for His love and mercy, grace and forgiveness everyday.

I pray to GOD The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit, all in The name of Jesus Christ.

GOD did not send His Son to give you another religion.

He came to save you from it and restore you relationship back to The Father. Not religion.

If you can see any similarities between your religion and the sadducees and phrisees that Jesus Christ was clearly rebuking, then please look to Jesus Christ.

Raised and educated through catholic university, received all 5 sacraments, 30+ hrs rcc University theology & philosophy, and very commmitted to the rcc, UNTIL I WAS BORN-AGAIN....



God Did This For ME!
26. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.


I have witnessed here for almost 9yrs, since March 2004, having been Told to witness.

I KNOW God The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in Personal and Direct Relationship. None of what I have ever written here is faith or belief based; only witness what I KNOW...


I KNOW that we need "no man to instruct us" if we are Born-Again.


I KNOW that Jesus Witnessed 3 times to Nicodemus, "you MUST Be Born-Again". Not very many "musts" from Jesus in Scripture.


I Know that my reliance is entirely Upon God The Father.
HE Has NEVER Failed me...


I KNOW HIS Will IS ALWAYS Perfect!



catholicism is a perversion of HIS Word and deception designed to serve satan.


satan offered the world to Jesus in the desert.
Jesus refused him.
the rcc accepted satan's deal....


You are in-service to God's enemy.

Our greatest enemies come from within. Just look at Judas at the end of John 6. Martin Luther as well.

Thank You for your Testimony.

We don't see any Similarities of the Sadduccees and Pharisees. We accept Jesus as the Messiah and Devine.

Where I live, there are 20 different denominational churches. You can walk across the street and go to a different church that would have you to believe that if you're not part of this certain church, then you are not saved.

I got tired of it. My faith soley rests in GOD and the works Jesus Christ has already done.

I do not need to pray to anyone else for I know that GOD hears me and keeps me.

Monkey has an answer for everything. What a glib bastard. Probably Irish...


You can't Hear The Gospel.

Must be God's Will that you cannot... Or maybe you are so committed to the rcc bullshit you fear any witness Of-God that isn't already known to you?


Kind of a fuckjob of denial you're in, Monkey... A merry-go-round of dysfunction and defense against The Word Of God.


I preach "Surrender your heart Unto The Father" and you find grounds for fear and hesitancy.


God The Father, YahWeh, Elohim, Jehovah. My Father Which IS In Heaven, as Jesus Witnesses...


Jesus Serves The Will Of The Father.

When I was Born-Again, God Gave me HIS Ezekiel 36 Witness:
26. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.


HIS Spirit Within me, Guiding me as I type this btw
HE Causes me to KNOW HIS Will,
I Thereby Do HIS Will,
I Thereby live free of sin.



God Has either Called your heart or HE has not.

You can't attend The King's Wedding Feast For HIS Son w/o your Wedding Garment; a Born-Again Heart...


In several Witnesses Jesus Affirms that only those Who Do God's Will and Have A Wedding Garment will enter into The Kingdom of Heaven. God has to Know you...

God Doesn't have Relationship/Know any catholicis...

Any catholics who were Given A Wedding Garment got the hell out of that hellhole of dysfunction...

From Matthew 22


1. And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables, and said,

2. The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,
3. And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.
4. Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.
5. But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:
6. And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.
7. But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.


8. Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.

9. Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.

10. So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.


11. And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:
12. And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.

13. Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


14. For many are called, but few are chosen.

Wow i must be directly over the target to receive so much flack.

11. And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:
12. And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.

13. Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


14. For many are called, but few are chosen.



My witness is that many hearts were Called Unto The Father, but few in this Laodicean age choose or elect to make their surrender and give up their life Unto HIM...


the very elect. They/we who chose to give our lives unreservedly Unto The Father and Into HIS Care to serve and Do HIS Will, no longer our own...


No tickee, no laundry...


Jesus further Witnesses in matthew 7
21. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23. And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

11. And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:
12. And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.

13. Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


14. For many are called, but few are chosen.



My witness is that many hearts were Called Unto The Father, but few in this Laodicean age choose or elect to make their surrender and give up their life Unto HIM...


the very elect. They/we who chose to give our lives unreservedly Unto The Father and Into HIS Care to serve and Do HIS Will, no longer our own...


No tickee, no laundry...


Jesus further Witnesses in matthew 7
21. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23. And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

I appreciate your story, this is the great problem in Christianity (division). Everyone claiming the Holy Spirit is leading them. It has brought confusion to many of the faithful. I don't think everyone becoming there own church will help, but rather in the end become something not even Christian, more like New Age. We just make it up as we go! My fear, Im sure you believe differently.

For Lester


~Luke 7:33-35

33 For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine, and you say, ‘He has a demon.’ 34 The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and you say, ‘Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners.’ 35 But wisdom is proved right by all her children.”

The difference between you and I is I do not try and convert anyone to any particular denominational belief. Including catholocism.

The only religion that pleases the Father is those who look after prphans and widows in distress. And to keep oneself from being polluted from the world.

This is pretty loud and clear.

Jesus explained it very well with the parable of the good samaritan.

When answering the expert in the law.

16198217 I respectfully disagree, are we not called to share the Gospel, what happens to those who have the fullness of truth and do not share it? If Jesus is the truth i have to defend the faith and share the faith. I believe in absolute truth, not subjective truth. Thank you for your comments.

So do you believe that someone can be saved without being catholic? Or have any affiliation with the catholic church?

And what is the gospel (The Good News)?

The message? And what does it have to do with being catholic?

The early church went from house to house breaking bread. And joyous, singing praises unto The Lord. In their homes.

How is it, if you claim to be the one true church, it has strayed so far away from the simplicity of the early church written of in doctrine?