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Our Creator Does Not Need Our Validation (Christian Thread)

 
Rising Son
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God knows us better than we know ourselves - as any parent would strive to know and understand the child they love. However, it goes further than that - God is aware of every thought, every feeling, every tendency, every sensibility, and every propensity that makes us who we are. God knows our hearts, so any attempt to trick or fool God into thinking we are someone we are not is futile and pointless. In the end, it will not matter what your fellow brothers and sisters think of you - because they do not know you like God does.

God wants us to embrace His love, and allow it to flow through us in order to serve as a testament to others of the power and strength that it yields. He sent His Son to show us the way, and to guide us through His example. Jesus' example is one that is impossible to achieve, but it gives us a standard that we can strive for - knowing that we do so with God's loving encouragement and approval. If we should falter in this endeavor, we do so with the knowledge that God knows we can do better - or else we would not have the capability of self-reflection and the potential to better ourselves.

Although the relationship between a parent and their child in human terms does not fully encompass the understanding of God's relationship with each of us, it is still the foundation upon which we can grow to love God. If we should wonder how best to please our heavenly Father, we can see that any parent would want their children to love each of their brothers and sisters, and to keep them safe from falling away from the family. After all, it is the child that needs the validation of their parent, not the other way around.
"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." - Revelation 21:4

Truth needs no validation because it is self-evident and undeniable. Therefore, anything that requires validation to be realized or justified as truth must contain at least some degree of falsehood.

Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
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Uh, too needy from both sides.
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Whilst I like the sentiment, you need to understand the context. The context being of a creation where the primary being has usurped the creator's Godship through disobedience.

Yah created the universe through the application of His perfect knowledge through the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Adam, created in the image of Yah but with puny knowledge, also 'ate' of the tree of knowledge of good and evil and created his own 'physical' creation according to this puny knowledge, and it is this puny sub-creation in which we now exist, each one creating his own even smaller sub-world where he can exercise his own puny godship (his own opinion).

The creator is the final arbiter of "good and evil" our "good and evil" is only an opinion, and it is this opinion (dogma in the Greek) which gets nailed to the cross.

TORAH was given as a scale against which we can measure ourselves against Yah's knowledge of "good and evil" and in the end, against which we will be measured. Yehushua told us to keep TORAH, but man has reinterpreted scripture to try and tell us that Paul said we don't have to keep it.

If TORAH is Yah's yardstick, ask youself what Lucifer would have us do with it?

Nail it to a cross, discard it as 'bondage'?
Seek FIRST the Kingdom of YHWH and His knowledge of Good and Bad (righteousness) , for He says "My ways are not thy ways"
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Whilst I like the sentiment, you need to understand the context. The context being of a creation where the primary being has usurped the creator's Godship through disobedience.

Yah created the universe through the application of His perfect knowledge through the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Adam, created in the image of Yah but with puny knowledge, also 'ate' of the tree of knowledge of good and evil and created his own 'physical' creation according to this puny knowledge, and it is this puny sub-creation in which we now exist, each one creating his own even smaller sub-world where he can exercise his own puny godship (his own opinion).

The creator is the final arbiter of "good and evil" our "good and evil" is only an opinion, and it is this opinion (dogma in the Greek) which gets nailed to the cross.

TORAH was given as a scale against which we can measure ourselves against Yah's knowledge of "good and evil" and in the end, against which we will be measured. Yehushua told us to keep TORAH, but man has reinterpreted scripture to try and tell us that Paul said we don't have to keep it.

If TORAH is Yah's yardstick, ask youself what Lucifer would have us do with it?

Nail it to a cross, discard it as 'bondage'?
 Quoting: Taruwah


Thank you for responding. I'm sure you would agree that it is very difficult to find any forum or place where you can discuss theology without offending anyone or where the pleasantries of civility are not violated.

The context you describe in your first point takes on some important assumptions, in that we have power over our reality and we are able to change it. This understanding does not allow for the fact that God is perfect, because in our Creator's infinite wisdom, God would have seen all possible realities that had the potential to occur, including the disobedience that has manifested within this reality. The usurpation of godship is a self-reinforcing delusion that man has plagued himself with, but the delusion does not change the reality as God intended it, only man's perception of that reality is what differs.

Jesus brings a new perception to this reality, and forced His contemporaries to come to terms with our imperfect and contradicting interpretations of God's Law. After all, it was man's misinterpretation of God's Law that hung Jesus on the cross. If that is any indication, we should all strive to ensure we are following God's Law as God intended, not how it has been interpreted. With that in mind, it is important that we collectively make every effort to learn from and avoid the mistakes we have made in the past, and remember that as we are imperfect - as such it is imperative that we err on the side of caution in the lifelong endeavor of interpreting God's Law.

Last Edited by Rising Son on 12/08/2012 10:12 AM
"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." - Revelation 21:4

Truth needs no validation because it is self-evident and undeniable. Therefore, anything that requires validation to be realized or justified as truth must contain at least some degree of falsehood.

Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
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There is also the possibility that Yah created Adam KNOWING that Adam can be refined by the experience of 'falling' and being redeemed, hence the 'overcomers' in Revelations.

On day six of creation Yah looked at his creation and called it Tov Mehod (very good)

Adam's act in eating the forbidden fruit brought death into the world through sin, but Adam was also thrown out of Eden because he was now "one of us knowing good from evil"

You will note that the woman (who confessed her sin) was not thrown out.

We are not told what was outside of Eden, but it was a land that could be, and indeed was, corrupted by Adam's godship. It was not a perfect land.

Adam, redeemed from the fall (by seeking FIRST the Kingdom of Yah and His Righteousness) is a far stronger Adam than the one who originally ate of the forbidden fruit. Yah's righteousness is defined by TORAH and is Yahushua made flesh and dwelling amongst us.
Seek FIRST the Kingdom of YHWH and His knowledge of Good and Bad (righteousness) , for He says "My ways are not thy ways"
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Thanks much OP



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Actually he does.

Without your worship and sacrifices he would shrivel up, perish, and the true God would be apparent to all.
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The comparison between a parent and child is inadequate because God is so unbelievably huge compared to the tiny minuscule insignificant man. God is so vastly huge and glorious that even just trying to think about His greatness makes your mind get whiteout. There is no way of expressing the huge, grand, expansive, wonderful greatness of God.
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There is also the possibility that Yah created Adam KNOWING that Adam can be refined by the experience of 'falling' and being redeemed, hence the 'overcomers' in Revelations.

On day six of creation Yah looked at his creation and called it Tov Mehod (very good)

Adam's act in eating the forbidden fruit brought death into the world through sin, but Adam was also thrown out of Eden because he was now "one of us knowing good from evil"

You will note that the woman (who confessed her sin) was not thrown out.

We are not told what was outside of Eden, but it was a land that could be, and indeed was, corrupted by Adam's godship. It was not a perfect land.

Adam, redeemed from the fall (by seeking FIRST the Kingdom of Yah and His Righteousness) is a far stronger Adam than the one who originally ate of the forbidden fruit. Yah's righteousness is defined by TORAH and is Yahushua made flesh and dwelling amongst us.
 Quoting: Taruwah


I could be oversimplifying or even placating the point of what we have discussed here, but I believe we are sharing the same sentiments, although arrived at in different ways. Our true reality is how God intended for it to be, or else He would discontinue it. With that in mind, it is not a bridge too far to consider that perhaps God created this reality with the express intention for us to fall, and be redeemed in our desire to repent as well as the lifelong process of improving ourselves.

Inherently and intuitively included in the understanding of this construct is the necessity of failure, and the harsh implications and repercussions of our disobedience to God, both on an individual and collective level. In particular, Jesus Christ was able to show us how our understanding and interpretation of God's Law is subject to imperfections and fallacies, despite the best of intentions by those who spend their lives devoted to God. It is usually pride and arrogance that prevents us from admitting and learning from our mistakes in this way.

In this way, it is self-destructing to continue to restrict our understanding of God's Laws to the formalities of other imperfect beings' interpretations (religions). There is but one reality we live in, and all of the world's religions are both right and wrong in this aspect - right in the ways they follow God's intended path for us, but wrong in the restricting and man-made specifications and initiations they force upon us. I would much rather consider myself a historian than a particular religious sect, but for the time being, I consider myself a Christian.

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"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." - Revelation 21:4

Truth needs no validation because it is self-evident and undeniable. Therefore, anything that requires validation to be realized or justified as truth must contain at least some degree of falsehood.

Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
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Why is his standard so impossible in your eyes? Don't you know that true riches grow up from the ground? He's calling us to be just like him, or atleast that's the only thing that really makes sense. You create so many atheists when you don't em answers just questions. Christ had answers, don't you think? I think those answers never left this world, they're just in the dark.
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I haven't read any of the replies to your comments and I don't care. I've been on this site since 2005 and I have to say that this thread is one of the best ones I've ever come across!

I can't say 'Thank you' enough for saying what is TRUTH and what God put on your heart. There are so few of us that understand our Father's heart and we need to post as much as we can in these last days...

I hope its ok that I added you as a buddy. I wish I could give you a big hug. You made my day and I am praying that your words penetrated many hearts today.


Much love and hugs....hf
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Why is his standard so impossible in your eyes? Don't you know that true riches grow up from the ground? He's calling us to be just like him, or atleast that's the only thing that really makes sense. You create so many atheists when you don't em answers just questions. Christ had answers, don't you think? I think those answers never left this world, they're just in the dark.
 Quoting: Compost Money


Far be it for me to state that I have the potential to meet the standards of Jesus Christ. I very much desire to be like Him, but I also know that His sacrifice was that of such great importance and His life was lived with such grace that I would never have the potential to compare myself to Him.

Last Edited by Rising Son on 12/08/2012 06:32 PM
"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." - Revelation 21:4

Truth needs no validation because it is self-evident and undeniable. Therefore, anything that requires validation to be realized or justified as truth must contain at least some degree of falsehood.

Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
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I haven't read any of the replies to your comments and I don't care. I've been on this site since 2005 and I have to say that this thread is one of the best ones I've ever come across!

I can't say 'Thank you' enough for saying what is TRUTH and what God put on your heart. There are so few of us that understand our Father's heart and we need to post as much as we can in these last days...

I hope its ok that I added you as a buddy. I wish I could give you a big hug. You made my day and I am praying that your words penetrated many hearts today.


Much love and hugs....hf
 Quoting: DaddysGirl


Thank you - your words are so comforting and encouraging, and it is a blessing to have you say such nice things to me :-)

hf
"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." - Revelation 21:4

Truth needs no validation because it is self-evident and undeniable. Therefore, anything that requires validation to be realized or justified as truth must contain at least some degree of falsehood.

Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
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So basically you don't even try.
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I'm quite content to die for my beliefs, and although no one can live up to his life, we sure can try our hardest. Somehow I don't picture Jesus working 9-5.
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Why is his standard so impossible in your eyes? Don't you know that true riches grow up from the ground? He's calling us to be just like him, or atleast that's the only thing that really makes sense. You create so many atheists when you don't em answers just questions. Christ had answers, don't you think? I think those answers never left this world, they're just in the dark.
 Quoting: Compost Money


Far be it for me to state that I have the potential to meet the standards of Jesus Christ. I very much desire to be like Him, but I also know that His sacrifice was that of such great importance and His life was lived with such grace that I would never have the potential to compare myself to Him.
 Quoting: Rising Son


Oh I know how you feel on this one. Who can compare??

If we were to see Him face to face, we would be nothing but a pile of molecules on the ground in front of His holiness...

It's the Holiness of God and His Son that most people cannot see or comprehend these days....

Be encouraged my friend....we will see each other very soon!hf
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Why is his standard so impossible in your eyes? Don't you know that true riches grow up from the ground? He's calling us to be just like him, or atleast that's the only thing that really makes sense. You create so many atheists when you don't em answers just questions. Christ had answers, don't you think? I think those answers never left this world, they're just in the dark.
 Quoting: Compost Money


Far be it for me to state that I have the potential to meet the standards of Jesus Christ. I very much desire to be like Him, but I also know that His sacrifice was that of such great importance and His life was lived with such grace that I would never have the potential to compare myself to Him.
 Quoting: Rising Son


Lucifer is the accuser, and he owns the dead, and also contrived in Eden that all men and women should die. This was not what Yah intended but was part of Lucifer's rebellion. Creation is defined by TORAH, and Yah keeps TORAH (or else this creation collapses). Part of the complete TORAH (not revealed to Moses) and certainly not talmud, deals with Yah's relationship with angels and Lucifer in particular, and whilst Lucifer rebelled, Yah must abide by His TORAH or else creation ceases to be.

To combat this situation Yah allowed TORAH to become flesh and dwell amongst us in the form of Yehushua. Eventually Yehushua, the blueprint of Yah's Creation, decended into Hades and was at Lucifer's mercy for 3 days and 3 nights.

However Lucifer was unable to change TORAH, he was not as powerful as he thought he was, and was thus unable to make himself as Yah. Yehushua was "spat out" and resurrected.

Lucifer's failed attempt to hijack TORAH caused him to be excluded from TORAH, and therefore from the Kingdom of Yah (To change TORAH one must put onesself outside of it).

So Lucifer ceased to 'own' the dead who's lives were spent "seeking first the Kingdom of Yah and His Righteousness" and they once more have eternal life in Yehushua.

After being spiritually destroyed, lucifer turned to the idea of domination and subduing of the world, thus usurping Adam instead of Yah. Thus the series of satanic deceits we know as christianity, islam and atheism, all of which deflect people from TORAH and frem Yah's truth to varying degrees.
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