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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 11813204  United States12/08/2012 11:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Dr. Astro Not to be confused with Phil Plait  User ID: 27749847 United States12/08/2012 11:09 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Are comets usually coming in from below the ecliptic? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12727906 Furthermore, isn't it moving away from the sun? It's just now passing perihelion. Comets can come from any direction, it's not at all unusual to see them highly inclined to the ecliptic or even in retrograde orbits.  |
| Dr. Astro Not to be confused with Phil Plait User ID: 27749847 United States12/08/2012 11:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Are comets usually coming in from below the ecliptic? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12727906 Furthermore, isn't it moving away from the sun? no, its Apollo class object, it is NOT a comet. Density is way too high. It's not 2012 DA14, you keep posting info for that asteroid which has nothing to do with this comet. PLEASE stop spamming the thread and trying to confuse people. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 18622835 United States12/08/2012 11:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18622835 I rewatched your rebuttal video.......awesome graphics, BTW------are you saying the "distortion" you talk of is the reason the comet is coming at a steep angle? And is Swan supposed to be coming in at that steep angle. No, actually the 136.39480 degree inclination is why it is coming in at a steep angle to the ecliptic. I'm an English major, Dr. Astro----------complex math and astronomical terms are beyond me (Sorry. And be patient, please)------------------ The inclination you speak of----is that in relation to the camera/camera angle? Or just the way it moves through the sky? Explain it in layman's terms, please, for a "novice."  It's the inclination to the earth's orbital plane, the ecliptic. Wikipedia has a pretty good diagram of it: [link to en.wikipedia.org] Thanks for the link. I will read it. |
| Éireann Eisteacht le gra! User ID: 1256234 United States12/08/2012 11:12 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Its definitly not a commet, MAss is to high. more likely iron Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11813204 Calculated density given Radius of .045 KM and mass of 1.3+e08 is ~34 kg per cubic meter THE FUCK IS THIS THING water, and water ice is only 1kg cubic meter LOL, where did you get these numbers? Oh wait, I see now, you got them from here: [link to neo.jpl.nasa.gov] AGAIN, this is NOT 2012 D14. 2012 DA14 is an asteroid, not a comet. It has nothing to do with C/2012 V4, it is not what you see in this video. Down Boy! Down Boy!....there there... good Astro. You don't want to be sued for doggie bites, ya know? Éireann~ Eisteacht le gra! ~ArunaLuna (Translation from Gaelic: "Listen to Love!") "And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale." - Thomas Jefferson, from a Letter to John Taylor written in 1816 "Unfortunately, it is in the nature of man to tinker - even with immutable truth. Thus, we must be ever vigilant.." - James Munford You can educate the ignorant, but you can't fix stupid! *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ I do not give negative Karma. I believe that all opinions are worthy of debate and discussion. Free speech is essential to the growth and advancement of each individual and all of Humankind. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 11813204 United States12/08/2012 11:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Are comets usually coming in from below the ecliptic? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12727906 Furthermore, isn't it moving away from the sun? no, its Apollo class object, it is NOT a comet. Density is way too high. It's not 2012 DA14, you keep posting info for that asteroid which has nothing to do with this comet. PLEASE stop spamming the thread and trying to confuse people. The video refers to the asteroid as 2012 DA14. the info i posted is for 2012 DA14. |
| stone User ID: 29213827 United States12/08/2012 11:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Dr. Astro Not to be confused with Phil Plait User ID: 27749847 United States12/08/2012 11:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Its definitly not a commet, MAss is to high. more likely iron Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11813204 Calculated density given Radius of .045 KM and mass of 1.3+e08 is ~34 kg per cubic meter THE FUCK IS THIS THING water, and water ice is only 1kg cubic meter LOL, where did you get these numbers? Oh wait, I see now, you got them from here: [link to neo.jpl.nasa.gov] AGAIN, this is NOT 2012 D14. 2012 DA14 is an asteroid, not a comet. It has nothing to do with C/2012 V4, it is not what you see in this video. Down Boy! Down Boy!....there there... good Astro. You don't want to be sued for doggie bites, ya know?  lol j/k |
| Dr. Astro Not to be confused with Phil Plait User ID: 27749847 United States12/08/2012 11:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Are comets usually coming in from below the ecliptic? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12727906 Furthermore, isn't it moving away from the sun? no, its Apollo class object, it is NOT a comet. Density is way too high. It's not 2012 DA14, you keep posting info for that asteroid which has nothing to do with this comet. PLEASE stop spamming the thread and trying to confuse people. The video refers to the asteroid as 2012 DA14. the info i posted is for 2012 DA14. Well it's not 2012 DA14, it's C/2012 V4. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 18622835 United States12/08/2012 11:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Dapurps What's interesting about it. The fact that ACs with no knowledge on space and a big imagination think something is up when someone like Dr. Astro who clear has a lot of knowledge on space has brought this to light. Astro also uses gubment websites for his rebuttle. True. The thing is, if you are of a conspiracy mind, government sites may lie. It's interesting that those who are of a conspiracy mind refuse to believe government sources, but they'll believe almost anything anybody else says with little-to-no evidence. Actually, I truly follow the dictum of this site at the bottom of the page----------don't believe anything you read on this site. It's also that I don't tend to trust the Government telling me what's what either. I was simply replying to the person above who seemed to be placing trust in Gov. sites. |
| Éireann Eisteacht le gra! User ID: 1256234 United States12/08/2012 11:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Its definitly not a commet, MAss is to high. more likely iron Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11813204 Calculated density given Radius of .045 KM and mass of 1.3+e08 is ~34 kg per cubic meter THE FUCK IS THIS THING water, and water ice is only 1kg cubic meter LOL, where did you get these numbers? Oh wait, I see now, you got them from here: [link to neo.jpl.nasa.gov] AGAIN, this is NOT 2012 D14. 2012 DA14 is an asteroid, not a comet. It has nothing to do with C/2012 V4, it is not what you see in this video. Down Boy! Down Boy!....there there... good Astro. You don't want to be sued for doggie bites, ya know? lol j/k  Éireann~ Eisteacht le gra! ~ArunaLuna (Translation from Gaelic: "Listen to Love!") "And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale." - Thomas Jefferson, from a Letter to John Taylor written in 1816 "Unfortunately, it is in the nature of man to tinker - even with immutable truth. Thus, we must be ever vigilant.." - James Munford You can educate the ignorant, but you can't fix stupid! *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ I do not give negative Karma. I believe that all opinions are worthy of debate and discussion. Free speech is essential to the growth and advancement of each individual and all of Humankind. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 18622835 United States12/08/2012 11:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Dr. Astro Not to be confused with Phil Plait User ID: 27749847 United States12/08/2012 11:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | True. The thing is, if you are of a conspiracy mind, government sites may lie. It's interesting that those who are of a conspiracy mind refuse to believe government sources, but they'll believe almost anything anybody else says with little-to-no evidence. Actually, I truly follow the dictum of this site at the bottom of the page----------don't believe anything you read on this site. It's also that I don't tend to trust the Government telling me what's what either. I was simply replying to the person above who seemed to be placing trust in Gov. sites. Would it calm your mind if I were to calculate the orbit of C/2012 V4 myself using nothing but amateur astrometric measurements and then load that into Celestia and see if it still matches what STEREO-B HI2 sees? |
| yahwehs princess (OP) User ID: 23672607 United States12/08/2012 11:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Dr. Astro Not to be confused with Phil Plait User ID: 27749847 United States12/08/2012 11:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | at 0:21 in the video the OP says this is 2012 DA14. what am i missing? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11813204 That the video in the OP is wrong. It's C/2012 V4: [link to www.youtube.com] |
| stone User ID: 29213827 United States12/08/2012 11:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
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| Dr. Astro Not to be confused with Phil Plait User ID: 27749847 United States12/08/2012 11:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 29213827 United States12/08/2012 11:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hey doc, how far apart are the TWO separate objects being talked about apart from each other...? Quoting: stone 29213827 Which objects? Earth and the comet? About 1.4 astronomical units. Between STEREO Behind and the comet the distance is about half an astronomical unit. I meant the comet and the asteroid? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 18622835 United States12/08/2012 11:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18622835 True. The thing is, if you are of a conspiracy mind, government sites may lie. It's interesting that those who are of a conspiracy mind refuse to believe government sources, but they'll believe almost anything anybody else says with little-to-no evidence. Actually, I truly follow the dictum of this site at the bottom of the page----------don't believe anything you read on this site. It's also that I don't tend to trust the Government telling me what's what either. I was simply replying to the person above who seemed to be placing trust in Gov. sites. Would it calm your mind if I were to calculate the orbit of C/2012 V4 myself using nothing but amateur astrometric measurements and then load that into Celestia and see if it still matches what STEREO-B HI2 sees? If you want.....................my mind is not perturbed anyway. I'm a CYNIC in the OLD way of defining it (philosophical movement)..............trust and focus in the here and now and on my fellow man......the rest is just "pious hopes." Thanks for the link, again. Appreciate it. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 29213827 United States12/08/2012 11:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Éireann Eisteacht le gra! User ID: 1256234 United States12/08/2012 11:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18622835 True. The thing is, if you are of a conspiracy mind, government sites may lie. It's interesting that those who are of a conspiracy mind refuse to believe government sources, but they'll believe almost anything anybody else says with little-to-no evidence. Actually, I truly follow the dictum of this site at the bottom of the page----------don't believe anything you read on this site. It's also that I don't tend to trust the Government telling me what's what either. I was simply replying to the person above who seemed to be placing trust in Gov. sites. Would it calm your mind if I were to calculate the orbit of C/2012 V4 myself using nothing but amateur astrometric measurements and then load that into Celestia and see if it still matches what STEREO-B HI2 sees? Please show your work so as to entertain the wannbe astro-geeks. k? Éireann~ Eisteacht le gra! ~ArunaLuna (Translation from Gaelic: "Listen to Love!") "And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale." - Thomas Jefferson, from a Letter to John Taylor written in 1816 "Unfortunately, it is in the nature of man to tinker - even with immutable truth. Thus, we must be ever vigilant.." - James Munford You can educate the ignorant, but you can't fix stupid! *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ I do not give negative Karma. I believe that all opinions are worthy of debate and discussion. Free speech is essential to the growth and advancement of each individual and all of Humankind. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 18622835 United States12/08/2012 11:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
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| Dr. Astro Not to be confused with Phil Plait User ID: 27749847 United States12/08/2012 11:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hey doc, how far apart are the TWO separate objects being talked about apart from each other...? Quoting: stone 29213827 Which objects? Earth and the comet? About 1.4 astronomical units. Between STEREO Behind and the comet the distance is about half an astronomical unit. I meant the comet and the asteroid? 1.36 AUs. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 18622835 United States12/08/2012 11:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Dr. Astro Not to be confused with Phil Plait User ID: 27749847 United States12/08/2012 11:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: phoomp It's interesting that those who are of a conspiracy mind refuse to believe government sources, but they'll believe almost anything anybody else says with little-to-no evidence. Actually, I truly follow the dictum of this site at the bottom of the page----------don't believe anything you read on this site. It's also that I don't tend to trust the Government telling me what's what either. I was simply replying to the person above who seemed to be placing trust in Gov. sites. Would it calm your mind if I were to calculate the orbit of C/2012 V4 myself using nothing but amateur astrometric measurements and then load that into Celestia and see if it still matches what STEREO-B HI2 sees? Please show your work so as to entertain the wannbe astro-geeks. k? Ok, but only if I get to use some overly dramatic background music to punctuate my own awesomeness (this is tongue in cheek humor to those of you who think I'm being arrogant). |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 29213827 United States12/08/2012 11:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hey doc, how far apart are the TWO separate objects being talked about apart from each other...? Quoting: stone 29213827 Which objects? Earth and the comet? About 1.4 astronomical units. Between STEREO Behind and the comet the distance is about half an astronomical unit. I meant the comet and the asteroid? 1.36 AUs. So roughly 96+ million miles apart, no easily mistaken for each other? |
