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"100 Reasons Why Evolution Is STUPID!"

 
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Let me know when they find remains of giraffe's with necks that show gradual change. Where are the remains of all these animals evolving? That's because they didn't. They all "appeared" at the same time according to fossil records and the earth's layers.
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how did they survive the flood when there were no trees to feed on?
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What does that have to do with monkeys turning into humans?
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No one ever said that monkeys turned into humans.
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Humans are monkeys, just as snakes are still lizards.
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Let me know when they find remains of giraffe's with necks that show gradual change. Where are the remains of all these animals evolving? That's because they didn't. They all "appeared" at the same time according to fossil records and the earth's layers.
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Mutation is not evolution.
Sorta like Cancer is not evolution.

Adaptation is not evolution...
Sorta like my putting on a winter coat does not make me a higher evolved human.

And I am not trolling you... I am actually a closet fan of your replies (most of the time)...

But this instance is the exception.
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The question was a great one. If you can explain what he asked, you will understand evolution better. The people who don't support evolution don't understand it. The way many people use the terms 'evolve', 'adapt', 'evolution' reveals that they don't get it yet.

Another good example to research is pesticide resistance in insects.

Evolution has never been about optimization.
 Quoting: Parabola


But it is optimization through natural selection. So I am not sure how you can argue against that.

Having gone from a Christian to an Atheist to a hopeful Agnostic... I've seen/ pondered all points of view...

First of all, belief in evolution does not exclude religion.
Go watch the movie Prometheus. Although it's sci-fi... the beginning of that movie is a excellent analogy to how "God(s)" could have manipulated life.

Secondly, to support Atheism takes a much larger leap of faith than any belief in a creator. I love to use Movies as examples of my arguments. For this argument... I'd urge you to watch the movie TOY STORY... Atheism in it's rawest form absolutely believes the animation of the toys who star in this movie is 100% possible.
 Quoting: El Tiburon


Its not about optimization. That is a bit of an ego-centric view. Its called 'the tree of life' because of all the branches. And chance plays a huge role in determining which branches persist.

I'm not implying that evolution is the only force at work, but we can't deny it's existance.
 Quoting: Parabola


I can deny it. I can deny anything that there is no proof of. The thing is... There is no actual proof of evolution. No skeleton, no fossil, nothing. THings come and go, but there are no in between things. Where are the in between thing?
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The question was a great one. If you can explain what he asked, you will understand evolution better. The people who don't support evolution don't understand it. The way many people use the terms 'evolve', 'adapt', 'evolution' reveals that they don't get it yet.

Another good example to research is pesticide resistance in insects.

Evolution has never been about optimization.
 Quoting: Parabola


But it is optimization through natural selection. So I am not sure how you can argue against that.

Having gone from a Christian to an Atheist to a hopeful Agnostic... I've seen/ pondered all points of view...

First of all, belief in evolution does not exclude religion.
Go watch the movie Prometheus. Although it's sci-fi... the beginning of that movie is a excellent analogy to how "God(s)" could have manipulated life.

Secondly, to support Atheism takes a much larger leap of faith than any belief in a creator. I love to use Movies as examples of my arguments. For this argument... I'd urge you to watch the movie TOY STORY... Atheism in it's rawest form absolutely believes the animation of the toys who star in this movie is 100% possible.
 Quoting: El Tiburon


Its not about optimization. That is a bit of an ego-centric view. Its called 'the tree of life' because of all the branches. And chance plays a huge role in determining which branches persist.

I'm not implying that evolution is the only force at work, but we can't deny it's existance.
 Quoting: Parabola


I can deny it. I can deny anything that there is no proof of. The thing is... There is no actual proof of evolution. No skeleton, no fossil, nothing. THings come and go, but there are no in between things. Where are the in between thing?
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Apart from the exstensive collection of transitional fossils that you choose to ignore.
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Let me know when they find remains of giraffe's with necks that show gradual change. Where are the remains of all these animals evolving? That's because they didn't. They all "appeared" at the same time according to fossil records and the earth's layers.
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[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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From the article, "possible ancestor of the okapi" makes your entire point moot.

You cannot use the word "possible" as evidence.
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But it is optimization through natural selection. So I am not sure how you can argue against that.

Having gone from a Christian to an Atheist to a hopeful Agnostic... I've seen/ pondered all points of view...

First of all, belief in evolution does not exclude religion.
Go watch the movie Prometheus. Although it's sci-fi... the beginning of that movie is a excellent analogy to how "God(s)" could have manipulated life.

Secondly, to support Atheism takes a much larger leap of faith than any belief in a creator. I love to use Movies as examples of my arguments. For this argument... I'd urge you to watch the movie TOY STORY... Atheism in it's rawest form absolutely believes the animation of the toys who star in this movie is 100% possible.
 Quoting: El Tiburon


Its not about optimization. That is a bit of an ego-centric view. Its called 'the tree of life' because of all the branches. And chance plays a huge role in determining which branches persist.

I'm not implying that evolution is the only force at work, but we can't deny it's existance.
 Quoting: Parabola


I can deny it. I can deny anything that there is no proof of. The thing is... There is no actual proof of evolution. No skeleton, no fossil, nothing. THings come and go, but there are no in between things. Where are the in between thing?
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Apart from the exstensive collection of transitional fossils that you choose to ignore.
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Give me one...
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Its not about optimization. That is a bit of an ego-centric view. Its called 'the tree of life' because of all the branches. And chance plays a huge role in determining which branches persist.

I'm not implying that evolution is the only force at work, but we can't deny it's existance.
 Quoting: Parabola


I can deny it. I can deny anything that there is no proof of. The thing is... There is no actual proof of evolution. No skeleton, no fossil, nothing. THings come and go, but there are no in between things. Where are the in between thing?
 Quoting: El Tiburon


Apart from the exstensive collection of transitional fossils that you choose to ignore.
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Give me one...
 Quoting: El Tiburon


Do your research instead of just reading the bible. Google is a good start, unless you think Satan controls the internet.
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I can deny it. I can deny anything that there is no proof of. The thing is... There is no actual proof of evolution. No skeleton, no fossil, nothing. THings come and go, but there are no in between things. Where are the in between thing?
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Apart from the exstensive collection of transitional fossils that you choose to ignore.
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Give me one...
 Quoting: El Tiburon


Do your research instead of just reading the bible. Google is a good start, unless you think Satan controls the internet.
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What on earth makes you think I am a Christian? For Fucks Sake Man... read my previous posts... I do not believe in anything remotely similar to the dribble man has written down. Nor do I pretend that I can even begin to understand our origins.

Learn to think critically... you'd be amazed at what you can learn.
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Let me know when they find remains of giraffe's with necks that show gradual change. Where are the remains of all these animals evolving? That's because they didn't. They all "appeared" at the same time according to fossil records and the earth's layers.
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No, they didn't. There are no fossils of cavemen playing with dinosaurs. You dig down a little, you find the arrowheads and stone tools. You dig down a lot, you find the dinosaurs. You dig down more, you find the trilobites. All of these are different stages in life's 2 Billion year history on this 4.5 Billion year old earth.
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I can deny it. I can deny anything that there is no proof of. The thing is... There is no actual proof of evolution. No skeleton, no fossil, nothing. THings come and go, but there are no in between things. Where are the in between thing?
 Quoting: El Tiburon


Not sure if you are trolling or not. But in case you aren't, proof is a funny word. There is plenty of evidence.

We can't prove gravity exists (we can't 'prove' anything), but there is lots of evidence to support the theory that it is operating. Saying you don't believe in evolution is akin to saying that you don't believe in gravity. Both are theories supported by a wealth of evidence.

If you choose not to review the evidence, and integrate it with your current beliefs, I think it begs to question why you are so resistant to integrating new info into your current belief system.

So, yes you can choose to deny the evidence if you wish.
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I can deny it. I can deny anything that there is no proof of. The thing is... There is no actual proof of evolution. No skeleton, no fossil, nothing. THings come and go, but there are no in between things. Where are the in between thing?
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Sometimes there are in between things, but sometimes there aren't. Here's the key, suppose all the giraffes up and died. Suppose somewhere in the genetic code of a horse, is one small modification that lets it have much longer neck. Now suppose we introduced horses to the giraffe environment, and let them go.

Now we know the long neck thing is a potential for mutation, not a recessed gene, which means natural breeding of horses will never it bring it out. What happens? Well, horses would live pretty much as they are (assuming they survive and don't get it on with zebras) possibly for millions of years, before that one gamma ray hits that one sperm cell of that one horse, and that one sperm gets the other horse pregnant. Then the mutant is born, which can use its long neck to eat from trees where all the other horses couldn't. Because he does so well, he breeds a lot, and over only a few generations that gene is everywhere. Then these go on for millions of years, like the horses did.

So what does it all look like on the fossil record? millions of years of one kind of thing, then millions of years of another, like it changed instantly.
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Evolution is our perception of adaptation/mutation.

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All said and done...
My point being...
There is not enough proof on either side to make a truly educated guess.
Humans have some innate predilection to get others to agree even if they are wrong. 1,000,000,000 people all agreeing on a thing does not make that thing true.
We are but blind ants crawling on an Elephant; half of us believe the Elephant has 3 legs and half of us agree that the Elephant has 2.

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Let me know when they find remains of giraffe's with necks that show gradual change. Where are the remains of all these animals evolving? That's because they didn't. They all "appeared" at the same time according to fossil records and the earth's layers.
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By magic? Good luck proving magic in the scientific community.
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I can deny it. I can deny anything that there is no proof of. The thing is... There is no actual proof of evolution. No skeleton, no fossil, nothing. THings come and go, but there are no in between things. Where are the in between thing?
 Quoting: El Tiburon


Not sure if you are trolling or not. But in case you aren't, proof is a funny word. There is plenty of evidence.

We can't prove gravity exists (we can't 'prove' anything), but there is lots of evidence to support the theory that it is operating. Saying you don't believe in evolution is akin to saying that you don't believe in gravity. Both are theories supported by a wealth of evidence.

If you choose not to review the evidence, and integrate it with your current beliefs, I think it begs to question why you are so resistant to integrating new info into your current belief system.

So, yes you can choose to deny the evidence if you wish.
 Quoting: Parabola


Nonsense. Gravity is testable, measurable, and repeatable. It is utter foolishness to compare observable phenomena to a historical claim of animals mutating into other animals over millions of years of culled genetic accidents.

The fossil record shows consistent gaps between major body plans. Every major biological structure appears suddenly, from insects to feathers to feet to vertabrates to reproduction, circulatory, nervous systems, to eyeballs, brains, etc. etc. everything.

Molecular phylogeny splits identical morphology into independent lineages, forcing evolutionists to dream up baseless, unsubstantiated models like 'convergent evolution', stating the exact same creatures must have evolved over and over again. There is no consistency between protein mapping to form anything close to a uniform tree.

Experimental evidence shows the evolutionary mechanism of Random Mutation + Natural Selection to be a total failure.

50,000+ generations of E.Coli produce nothing novel. We never observe a single novel protein evolve.

Other major changes in organisms such as Italian Wall Lizards forming cecal valves and other altered structures turn out to be a fixed response to the environment, a phenomena termed Phenotypic Plasticity. You move the lizards out, and the cecal valves recede on que. Nothing random about it at all. It is built into the organism.

Same with the Nylonase(modified Esterase) enzyme. Wild-type bacteria is shown to adapt to produce Nylonase in only 9 days, consistently. It is a fixed adaptation to the environment.

Random Mutations never produce anything novel, and Natural Selection doesn't have any material with which to create.

The foundational mechanism of Evolution is an empty vapor. It's not happening.


Evolution is little more than a Public Relations industry and a religion of supernatural materialism.



[link to darwins-god.blogspot.com]
[link to www.uncommondescent.com]
[link to www.evolutionnews.org]

On supposed Whale Evolution

[link to www.youtube.com]
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Kent Hovind? Really? OP, you're almost as bad as that annoying bitch here who always posts those stupid Chik tracts.



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God created us so we can adapt. He didn't create us to change from one species to another
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Actually we created the gods in our image. We Created them to adapt to our needs, and give us a feeling of security. If you had taken the time to learn about evolution instead of cowering in fear every time it thunders and lightnings wondering why the big magic man in the sky is angry you would know that we never changed species. Our ancestors cross bred much like the process we use to make teacup poodles, and other hybrid animals.
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Its not about optimization. That is a bit of an ego-centric view. Its called 'the tree of life' because of all the branches. And chance plays a huge role in determining which branches persist.

I'm not implying that evolution is the only force at work, but we can't deny it's existance.
 Quoting: Parabola


I can deny it. I can deny anything that there is no proof of. The thing is... There is no actual proof of evolution. No skeleton, no fossil, nothing. THings come and go, but there are no in between things. Where are the in between thing?
 Quoting: El Tiburon


Apart from the exstensive collection of transitional fossils that you choose to ignore.
 Quoting: SheldonCooper


Give me one...
 Quoting: El Tiburon


There's a picture of one here:

[link to www.boneroom.com]
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I can deny it. I can deny anything that there is no proof of. The thing is... There is no actual proof of evolution. No skeleton, no fossil, nothing. THings come and go, but there are no in between things. Where are the in between thing?
 Quoting: El Tiburon


Not sure if you are trolling or not. But in case you aren't, proof is a funny word. There is plenty of evidence.

We can't prove gravity exists (we can't 'prove' anything), but there is lots of evidence to support the theory that it is operating. Saying you don't believe in evolution is akin to saying that you don't believe in gravity. Both are theories supported by a wealth of evidence.

If you choose not to review the evidence, and integrate it with your current beliefs, I think it begs to question why you are so resistant to integrating new info into your current belief system.

So, yes you can choose to deny the evidence if you wish.
 Quoting: Parabola


Nonsense. Gravity is testable, measurable, and repeatable. It is utter foolishness to compare observable phenomena to a historical claim of animals mutating into other animals over millions of years of culled genetic accidents.

The fossil record shows consistent gaps between major body plans. Every major biological structure appears suddenly, from insects to feathers to feet to vertabrates to reproduction, circulatory, nervous systems, to eyeballs, brains, etc. etc. everything.

Molecular phylogeny splits identical morphology into independent lineages, forcing evolutionists to dream up baseless, unsubstantiated models like 'convergent evolution', stating the exact same creatures must have evolved over and over again. There is no consistency between protein mapping to form anything close to a uniform tree.

Experimental evidence shows the evolutionary mechanism of Random Mutation + Natural Selection to be a total failure.

50,000+ generations of E.Coli produce nothing novel. We never observe a single novel protein evolve.

Other major changes in organisms such as Italian Wall Lizards forming cecal valves and other altered structures turn out to be a fixed response to the environment, a phenomena termed Phenotypic Plasticity. You move the lizards out, and the cecal valves recede on que. Nothing random about it at all. It is built into the organism.

Same with the Nylonase(modified Esterase) enzyme. Wild-type bacteria is shown to adapt to produce Nylonase in only 9 days, consistently. It is a fixed adaptation to the environment.

Random Mutations never produce anything novel, and Natural Selection doesn't have any material with which to create.

The foundational mechanism of Evolution is an empty vapor. It's not happening.


Evolution is little more than a Public Relations industry and a religion of supernatural materialism.



[link to darwins-god.blogspot.com]
[link to www.uncommondescent.com]
[link to www.evolutionnews.org]

On supposed Whale Evolution

[link to www.youtube.com]
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These sources are biased and uncredible. Ever hear of the peer-review process? So many of the claims you made are illogical and/or based on misinformation.

For example:
"Random Mutations never produce anything novel". This is simply untrue. Do you understand the concept of genetic coding, transcription and translation? Do you know what an allele is? If mutations never produce anything novel, how do we have diversity within a population? Please explain allelic variability.

"Every major biological structure appears suddenly". Incorrect again (and the statement doesn't make much sense either). Research cladograms, homoplasies, synapomorphies. We can document transistional changes at the genetic, molecular, cellular, system, organismal, and population levels.

"Experimental evidence shows the evolutionary mechanism of Random Mutation + Natural Selection to be a total failure." Eh? A failure at what? And what is the source of this opinion? (peer-reviewed please)

"It is utter foolishness to compare observable phenomena to a historical claim of animals mutating into other animals over millions of years of culled genetic accidents." Statements like these reveal that you do not properly understand the concepts that you are attempting to argue.

There is plenty of evidence. You are just choosing to ignore it, and instead are weaving fictious stories for yourself. Have fun with that!
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I can deny it. I can deny anything that there is no proof of. The thing is... There is no actual proof of evolution. No skeleton, no fossil, nothing. THings come and go, but there are no in between things. Where are the in between thing?
 Quoting: El Tiburon


Not sure if you are trolling or not. But in case you aren't, proof is a funny word. There is plenty of evidence.

We can't prove gravity exists (we can't 'prove' anything), but there is lots of evidence to support the theory that it is operating. Saying you don't believe in evolution is akin to saying that you don't believe in gravity. Both are theories supported by a wealth of evidence.

If you choose not to review the evidence, and integrate it with your current beliefs, I think it begs to question why you are so resistant to integrating new info into your current belief system.

So, yes you can choose to deny the evidence if you wish.
 Quoting: Parabola


Nonsense. Gravity is testable, measurable, and repeatable. It is utter foolishness to compare observable phenomena to a historical claim of animals mutating into other animals over millions of years of culled genetic accidents.

The fossil record shows consistent gaps between major body plans. Every major biological structure appears suddenly, from insects to feathers to feet to vertabrates to reproduction, circulatory, nervous systems, to eyeballs, brains, etc. etc. everything.

Molecular phylogeny splits identical morphology into independent lineages, forcing evolutionists to dream up baseless, unsubstantiated models like 'convergent evolution', stating the exact same creatures must have evolved over and over again. There is no consistency between protein mapping to form anything close to a uniform tree.

Experimental evidence shows the evolutionary mechanism of Random Mutation + Natural Selection to be a total failure.

50,000+ generations of E.Coli produce nothing novel. We never observe a single novel protein evolve.

Other major changes in organisms such as Italian Wall Lizards forming cecal valves and other altered structures turn out to be a fixed response to the environment, a phenomena termed Phenotypic Plasticity. You move the lizards out, and the cecal valves recede on que. Nothing random about it at all. It is built into the organism.

Same with the Nylonase(modified Esterase) enzyme. Wild-type bacteria is shown to adapt to produce Nylonase in only 9 days, consistently. It is a fixed adaptation to the environment.

Random Mutations never produce anything novel, and Natural Selection doesn't have any material with which to create.

The foundational mechanism of Evolution is an empty vapor. It's not happening.


Evolution is little more than a Public Relations industry and a religion of supernatural materialism.



[link to darwins-god.blogspot.com]
[link to www.uncommondescent.com]
[link to www.evolutionnews.org]

On supposed Whale Evolution

[link to www.youtube.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23223519


These sources are biased and uncredible. Ever hear of the peer-review process? So many of the claims you made are illogical and/or based on misinformation.
 Quoting: Parabola


Uncredible because you say so? Nope. Try again.

Yes they are biased against superstitious evolution religions which have been fully exposed as equivocation and pseudoscience. As your next comment shows, Evos will retreat to the definition of evolution as simply "change over time" when they are challenged for evidence.

For example:
"Random Mutations never produce anything novel". This is simply untrue. Do you understand the concept of genetic coding, transcription and translation? Do you know what an allele is? If mutations never produce anything novel, how do we have diversity within a population? Please explain allelic variability.
 Quoting: Parabola


Wow, you are using allele frequency as evidence for evolution? Love the equivocation. Why not just use the fact that animals reproduce as evidence for evolution? What a joke. It's no wonder you believe in it.

And Nope, genetic variation does not produce any novel functional complexity such as a new protein. Prove me wrong, show me an example and I will pick it apart with simple logic. Otherwise you're just yammering and equivocating.


"Every major biological structure appears suddenly". Incorrect again (and the statement doesn't make much sense either). Research cladograms, homoplasies, synapomorphies. We can document transistional changes at the genetic, molecular, cellular, system, organismal, and population levels.
 Quoting: Parabola


Do you think spewing terms is making an argument? Cladograms, synapomorphies, and phylogentics are techniques of grouping organisms with similar genetic or morphological function. They say nothing of how those functions, or body plans, first came into being. All homoplasy shows is the same function appearing separately in independent lineages.

Show me fossil evidence of the gradual formation of a single body plan. I need a good laugh.


"Experimental evidence shows the evolutionary mechanism of Random Mutation + Natural Selection to be a total failure." Eh? A failure at what? And what is the source of this opinion? (peer-reviewed please)
 Quoting: Parabola


Entirely based on a peer-review. There is not one paper that empirically demonstrates fuctional novel protein function arising from RM-NS.

Since you are arguing in the affirmative, provide the paper.

There is a list of peer-reviewed papers detailing the limits on evolutionary mechanisms. Here are 50 of them:
[link to www.discovery.org]

There is even work being done on Natural Genetic Engineering to compensate for the obvious shortcomings of RM-NS.


"It is utter foolishness to compare observable phenomena to a historical claim of animals mutating into other animals over millions of years of culled genetic accidents." Statements like these reveal that you do not properly understand the concepts that you are attempting to argue.

There is plenty of evidence. You are just choosing to ignore it, and instead are weaving fictious stories for yourself. Have fun with that!
 Quoting: Parabola


Nope. No evidence. I challenge you to produce it.
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Adaptation, Mutation, of course..
but Evolution, no.
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Adaptation, Mutation, of course..
but Evolution, no.
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What's the difference?
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Explain the constant mutations of viruses and their ability to adapt.

Have that on my desk by sun down...thanks.
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Mutation is not evolution.
Sorta like Cancer is not evolution.

Adaptation is not evolution...
Sorta like my putting on a winter coat does not make me a higher evolved human.

And I am not trolling you... I am actually a closet fan of your replies (most of the time)...

But this instance is the exception.
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The question was a great one. If you can explain what he asked, you will understand evolution better. The people who don't support evolution don't understand it. The way many people use the terms 'evolve', 'adapt', 'evolution' reveals that they don't get it yet.

Another good example to research is pesticide resistance in insects.

Evolution has never been about optimization.
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I think the issue is that how does species involve into different species. Macro vs micro evolution...

Why is it that homo sapien do not seem to "fit" in this world? We have to wear clothes to stay warm. Why are we so much weaker compared to higher primates? Why are we hairless compared to higher primates?

Nobody really knows... All we can do is speculate but there is no definitive proof of what really happened...
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Adaptation, Mutation, of course..
but Evolution, no.
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What's the difference?
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Can you please honestly think about this.

The fact that genetic variation exists, is not evidence that genetic variation can build complex body plans.

It is amazing that people will so flippantly suggest one proves the other.

It's like saying "well, sand collects on beaches, so doesn't it follow that the sand can form itself into castles and mansions and literature on the beach?"

Is this really how most Evo's think?



And observed adaptations, such as Cecal Valves in Lizards, are typically produced by phenotypic plasticity, or an organism's ability to change based on direct fixed responses to environmental conditions. NOT random mutations.
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I think the issue is that how does species involve into different species. Macro vs micro evolution...

Why is it that homo sapien do not seem to "fit" in this world? We have to wear clothes to stay warm. Why are we so much weaker compared to higher primates? Why are we hairless compared to higher primates?

Nobody really knows... All we can do is speculate but there is no definitive proof of what really happened...
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To an evo, a "just-so" story is the highest grade of proof.

If you can imagine it, then it must have happened that way.
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To an evo, a "just-so" story is the highest grade of proof.

If you can imagine it, then it must have happened that way.
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i'm enjoying your replies, friend :)

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Re: "100 Reasons Why Evolution Is STUPID!"
Adaptation, Mutation, of course..
but Evolution, no.
 Quoting: RDprofessor


What's the difference?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22089462


Can you please honestly think about this.

The fact that genetic variation exists, is not evidence that genetic variation can build complex body plans.

It is amazing that people will so flippantly suggest one proves the other.

It's like saying "well, sand collects on beaches, so doesn't it follow that the sand can form itself into castles and mansions and literature on the beach?"

Is this really how most Evo's think?



And observed adaptations, such as Cecal Valves in Lizards, are typically produced by phenotypic plasticity, or an organism's ability to change based on direct fixed responses to environmental conditions. NOT random mutations.
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i always asked the supporters of classic evolutionary theory,

if evolution is made through natural selection of random mutations which are fit to certain medium changes, where are the strange creatures which are the result of random mutations which were not so fit.
if it's so easy for a fish to randomly mutate into a bird such that to survive the change from water medium to earth medium, how come we don't get also very strange creatures?
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if one is able of true abstract thinking, the so called scientific thinking of today is soooo funny.

like the 'great' equation of einstein. e=mc2, whose only valid point is that 'matter' and 'energy' are two equivalent ways of describing reality (one static, the other dynamic).

the numerical equivalence is pure convetion. e=m or e=mc2 or any other numeric equivalence is identical in regard to conceptual significance.

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